To use another example, the Christian sect often associated with mysticism, the Quakers, also sit in silence and find much enlightenment (in a "small E" sense) in the everyday.
--- In [email protected], <billsm...@...> wrote: > > DP, > > I guess I could go with that - 'everyday stuff is mystical'. Just as I could > say 'everyday stuff is holy', or 'everyday stuff is special'. > > I understand what statements like these are trying to convey. > > As I said before, this sounds like an interesting book. > > ...Bill! > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of DP > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill > > > > However, Underhill's point is that the "everyday stuff" IS mystical, > depending on how you look at it. > > --- In [email protected], <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > JMJM, > > > > You bring up a very good question. > > > > According to Merriam-Webster Online the definitions of these words and my > > opinion as how they could be applied to zen are: > > > > MYSTICAL > > 1:a : having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent to the > > senses nor obvious to the intelligence > > [Bill!] Zen is not 'spiritual' and is definitely apparent to the senses, so > > this definition doesn't seem to fit. Zen is however not obvious, nor even > > accessible as far as I'm concerned, to the intelligence. > > b : involving or having the nature of an individual's direct subjective > > communion with God or ultimate reality > > [Bill!] This is pretty close, although I would take out the words > > 'subjective' and 'God or ultimate' which leaves 'direct communion with > > reality'. > > > > MYSTICISM > > 1: the experience of MYSTICAL union or direct communion with ultimate > > reality reported by MYSTICS > > [Bill!] I could live with this definition. > > 2: the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate > > reality can be attained through subjective experience (as intuition or > > insight) > > [Bill!] Again, this is close, but I don't associate Buddha Nature with > > intuition or insight - although I know in the West these could be used as a > > poor substitute. > > 3:a : vague speculation : a belief without sound basis > > [Bill!] I don't like this one at all. > > b : a theory postulating the possibility of direct and intuitive > > acquisition of ineffable knowledge or power > > [Bill!] This is pretty close. I like the word 'ineffable'. That definitely > > fits. I don't like the words 'intuitive, acquisition, knowledge and power'. > > > > In English, 'mysticism' is generally associated with God or 'hidden' > > knowledge or insight. I associate zen with just everyday stuff. It's no big > > deal. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Jue Miao Jing Ming - ???? > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:14 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have a question. In Chinese, the Tibetan practice is literally translated > > as the "Mystic Order", the Chan practice is literally translated as the > > "Grand Mystic Order". Chan is the grand one, because Rong-Shu Patriarch > > brought the Chan to Tibet and affected their practice. > > > > In Chan ãâ¬Å½Ã§Â§Ëå¯â Ã¥â¦Â§Ã¨â°Ã¦Â³â¢Ã£â¬Â "Mystic Inner > > Witness Dharma" means an inward practice enabling heart to heart witness of > > Buddha. That's all. There is really nothing mystic about it. > > > > Is the term "mystic or mysticism" means the same as the I described above > > or not? > > > > Much obliged, > > _/\_ > > JMJM > > > > On 9/7/2010 8:13 AM, DP wrote: > > > > That's kind of the point of the book. She is trying to bring mysticism down > > to Earth, as it were. She wants to show that not only monks can do it. > > > > --- In [email protected], <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > DP, > > > > > > I haven't heard of this book, but it does sound interesting. > > > > > > I don't, however, associate mysticism with zen, or with `seeing the world > > > as > > > it is' (which I do associate with zen). How could anyone call that > > > mysticism? Or with spiritualism as so many are wont to do? > > > > > > ââ¬Â¦Bill! > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > Behalf > > > Of DP > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:22 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill > > > > > > > > > I recently downloaded this ebook from a public domain site (the book is > > > nearly 100 year old) and I have to say I'm very impressed with it. > > > Underhill > > > was an ANglo-Catholic, but her main focus is on how anyone can appreciate > > > the mysticism of everyday life by seeing the world as it is, without > > > categorization. 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