To use another example, the Christian sect often associated with mysticism, the 
Quakers, also sit in silence and find much enlightenment (in a "small E" sense) 
in the everyday.

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> DP,
> 
> I guess I could go with that - 'everyday stuff is mystical'.  Just as I could 
> say 'everyday stuff is holy', or 'everyday stuff is special'.
> 
> I understand what statements like these are trying to convey.
> 
> As I said before, this sounds like an interesting book.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> 
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of DP
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:48 PM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill
> 
>   
> 
> However, Underhill's point is that the "everyday stuff" IS mystical, 
> depending on how you look at it. 
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > JMJM,
> > 
> > You bring up a very good question.
> > 
> > According to Merriam-Webster Online the definitions of these words and my 
> > opinion as how they could be applied to zen are:
> > 
> > MYSTICAL
> > 1:a : having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent to the 
> > senses nor obvious to the intelligence
> > [Bill!] Zen is not 'spiritual' and is definitely apparent to the senses, so 
> > this definition doesn't seem to fit. Zen is however not obvious, nor even 
> > accessible as far as I'm concerned, to the intelligence.
> > b : involving or having the nature of an individual's direct subjective 
> > communion with God or ultimate reality
> > [Bill!] This is pretty close, although I would take out the words 
> > 'subjective' and 'God or ultimate' which leaves 'direct communion with 
> > reality'.
> > 
> > MYSTICISM
> > 1: the experience of MYSTICAL union or direct communion with ultimate 
> > reality reported by MYSTICS
> > [Bill!] I could live with this definition. 
> > 2: the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate 
> > reality can be attained through subjective experience (as intuition or 
> > insight)
> > [Bill!] Again, this is close, but I don't associate Buddha Nature with 
> > intuition or insight - although I know in the West these could be used as a 
> > poor substitute. 
> > 3:a : vague speculation : a belief without sound basis
> > [Bill!] I don't like this one at all.
> > b : a theory postulating the possibility of direct and intuitive 
> > acquisition of ineffable knowledge or power 
> > [Bill!] This is pretty close. I like the word 'ineffable'. That definitely 
> > fits. I don't like the words 'intuitive, acquisition, knowledge and power'.
> > 
> > In English, 'mysticism' is generally associated with God or 'hidden' 
> > knowledge or insight. I associate zen with just everyday stuff. It's no big 
> > deal.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Jue Miao Jing Ming - ????
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:14 AM
> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill
> > 
> > 
> > Dear all, 
> > 
> > I have a question. In Chinese, the Tibetan practice is literally translated 
> > as the "Mystic Order", the Chan practice is literally translated as the 
> > "Grand Mystic Order". Chan is the grand one, because Rong-Shu Patriarch 
> > brought the Chan to Tibet and affected their practice.
> > 
> > In Chan 『秘密內è‰æ³•ã€ "Mystic Inner 
> > Witness Dharma" means an inward practice enabling heart to heart witness of 
> > Buddha. That's all. There is really nothing mystic about it.
> > 
> > Is the term "mystic or mysticism" means the same as the I described above 
> > or not?
> > 
> > Much obliged,
> > _/\_
> > JMJM
> > 
> > On 9/7/2010 8:13 AM, DP wrote: 
> > 
> > That's kind of the point of the book. She is trying to bring mysticism down 
> > to Earth, as it were. She wants to show that not only monks can do it.
> > 
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > DP,
> > > 
> > > I haven't heard of this book, but it does sound interesting.
> > > 
> > > I don't, however, associate mysticism with zen, or with `seeing the world 
> > > as
> > > it is' (which I do associate with zen). How could anyone call that
> > > mysticism? Or with spiritualism as so many are wont to do?
> > > 
> > > …Bill!
> > > 
> > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > > Behalf
> > > Of DP
> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:22 PM
> > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I recently downloaded this ebook from a public domain site (the book is
> > > nearly 100 year old) and I have to say I'm very impressed with it. 
> > > Underhill
> > > was an ANglo-Catholic, but her main focus is on how anyone can appreciate
> > > the mysticism of everyday life by seeing the world as it is, without
> > > categorization. I think this sounds very Zen, and I wonder if anyone else
> > > had read it.
> > > 
> > > 
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