Mark, Chris and Bill,
I fail to understand what the issue really is. To me, reality is reality, nature is nature, and people are people. --ED Definitions of reality: * world: all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in different worlds"; "for them demons were as much a part of reality as trees were" * the state of being actual or real; "the reality of his situation slowly dawned on him" * the state of the world as it really is rather than as you might want it to be; "businessmen have to face harsh realities" * the quality possessed by something that is real Definitions of nature: * the essential qualities or characteristics by which something is recognized; "it is the nature of fire to burn"; "the true nature of jealousy" * a causal agent creating and controlling things in the universe; "the laws of nature"; "nature has seen to it that men are stronger than women" * the natural physical world including plants and animals and landscapes etc.; "they tried to preserve nature as they found it" * the complex of emotional and intellectual attributes that determine a person's characteristic actions and reactions; "it is his nature to help others" * a particular type of thing; "problems of this type are very difficult to solve"; "he's interested in trains and things of that nature"; "matters of a personal nature" Definitions of people: * (plural) any group of human beings (men or women or children) collectively; "old people"; "there were at least 200 people in the audience" * citizenry: the body of citizens of a state or country; "the Spanish people" * fill with people; "Stalin wanted to people the empty steppes" * members of a family line; "his people have been farmers for generations"; "are your people still alive?" * furnish with people; "The plains are sparsely populated" * multitude: the common people generally; "separate the warriors from the mass"; "power to the people" --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote: > > Chris, > > I'll second that! Bill! > I was arguing that reality cannot be divided into two distinct things, people and nature (despite what people might naturally think). > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > On Oct 22, 2010, at 20:24, Mark Perew mpe...@... wrote: > Chris - > > I think you've rebutted your own statement. The separation from Nature is illusion, maya, etc. > On Oct 22, 2010, at 16:40, Mark Perew mpe...@... wrote: > > > Nature does not care what we do, because there is no person there to care. > People are a part of nature. People are a part of nature that has a complex enough brain to get confused and try to live apart from our actual reality, to be sure, but that is a pretty natural consequence of our nervous systems being new to us and our being unskilled drivers. > > And some of these people do care. So parts of nature care. > > Of course, even then, there is no person to care. Just caring.