Chris said: ...  giving your all for something other than your self, ...

Generally all human actions are directed toward the interests of self
and groups we identify with.

But you assert that child-birth with its blood, sweat and tears is an
exception to the universal self-centered focus of humans (and animals
and plants, etc.)?

--ED



--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@...> wrote:
>
Natural childbirth of the first child is more close to violent than
vigorous. Blood sweat and tears, giving your all for something other
than your self, and a world-changing triumph.

Thanks,  Chris Austin-Lane

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