Please look into your own mind and tell us what motivation (other than curiosity) prompted you to ask that question. --ED PS: In Mahayana and Tantrayana Tibetan Buddhism, there is strong focus on motivation. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote: > ED, Please find the most representative definitions of sex ritual. I limit you to 3 of them. It is best if they shed light on the relationship with lust and spiritualism. I am curious why Tantrism attaches so much significance to that. Anthony Definitions of illusion on the Web: * an erroneous mental representation * something many people believe that is false; "they have the illusion that I am very wealthy" * delusion: the act of deluding; deception by creating illusory ideas * magic trick: an illusory feat; considered magical by naive observers wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%\ 3Fs%3Dillusion&sa=X&ei=p8jSTOfvNYyasAPW4Om3Cw&ved=0CBgQpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCN\ FRJNZpjADddoe9-Y-x-w1AaifpUQ> * An illusion is a distortion of the senses, revealing how the brain normally organizes and interprets sensory stimulation. While illusions distort reality, they are generally shared by most people. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion&sa=X&\ ei=p8jSTOfvNYyasAPW4Om3Cw&ved=0CBkQpAMoAQ&usg=AFQjCNELjukQr85fgzdt494Slx\ nEs888dg> Bill, Thank you for clarification of the sense in which persons who are enlightened experience reality. However to the more than 99.9999% of humans who do not experience satori, 'Maya' is very, very real. Therefore, I submit to the Zen Forum the proposition that the reality experienced by the very, very few is not relevant to the world. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote: > > Mayka, > > What I meant to say was that if you are living in a world of illusions (maya) compassion is a badge of honor and something you need to cultivate and practice. > > If you are not living in a world of illusions there is no compassion, no honor, nothing to cultivate and nothing to practice. There is Just THIS! > > ...Bill!