Hi, Ed

Sorry for my poor english
I tried to mean that the rest of europeans, excluding finnish, and for that, 
hungarians, lapons and seems basques, speak an indo european idiom. And 
probably population origin in Asia

Finnish are also westerner in my mindset (yes, it s said that they come here as 
invaders, with Attila; so maybe central asia origin)

I do not see them as easterner language..But not being a linguist, I maybe very 
well wrong,

Anyway, there is (or at least was) an extreme moviment in Hungarian that 
relates them as related to japanese, the turanism. 

With best wishes


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ED 
  To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:33 PM
  Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas


  Hi Lluis,

  'Uralic' and 'Indo-European' are clasified as related but separate families 
of languages.  See chart below.

  With best wishes,



  Language Affinities Beween Autochthonous Populations

  The second tree below essentially takes the first one but draws the tree over 
again using language rather than genetic affinities. What is of interest are 
the similarities to the first tree, indicating that human languages, which 
certainly antedate the 300,000 year mark (see Derek Bickerton, Language and 
Species [University of Chicago Press, 1990]), may also have a common origin in 
Africa itself. Many of the higher order groupings, however, as discussed above, 
are rather speculative. The theory of the "Nostratic" languages, which combines 
Afro-Asiatic (Hamito-Semitic), Indo-European, Ural-Altaic, Dravidian, and 
American Indian languages, is really the most dramatic but also may have the 
most credible evidence in common vocabulary items and systematic phonetic 
relationships. The grouping of Chinese with Basque, which otherwise seems 
unrelated to any other languages, seems more than a little bizarre but, if 
true, would be evidence of population movements and distribution prior to the 
early historical presence of Indo-European speakers across northern Europe and 
Asia. I have never seen explanations of the actual evidence for the 
Basque-Chinese connection. 

  --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Lluís Mendieta <lme...@...> wrote:
  > Hi, Ed
  > Well, I am at lost in what you mind
  > I understand that they are westerners, as we are, even being 
indo-european.. (so, roots in east).
  > But all that is dualistic....and not zen (or at least, deceiving) :-)
  > With best wishes
  > Lluís

  Hi Lluis,

  > "Finnish is the eponymous member of the Finno-Ugric language family and is 
typologically between fusional and agglutinative languages. It modifies and 
inflects the forms of nouns, adjectives, pronouns, numerals and verbs, 
depending on their roles in the sentence.
  > Finnish is a member of the Baltic-Finnic subgroup of the Finno-Ugric group 
of languages which in turn is a member of the Uralic family of languages. The 
Baltic-Finnic subgroup also includes Estonian and other minority languages 
spoken around the Baltic Sea.
  > The Finns are more genetically similar to their Indo-European speaking 
neighbors than to the speakers of the geographically close Finno-Ugric 
language, Sami. It has been argued that a native Finnic-speaking population 
therefore absorbed northward migrating Indo-European speakers who adopted the 
Finnic language, giving rise to the modern Finns."
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language

  >Wist best wishes, 

  > --ED

  > Hi, Bill
  > I beg to differ in two non zen questions
  > -Hungry? has the subject implicit. You do not place it, but it is implied.
  > The werb in spanish or catalan would be also implicit, so, I suppose same 
in english.
  > -finnish is a westerner language. And they have a lot of words to design 
the relationship within family.
  > With best wishes
  > Lluís

  > Anthony,
  > I know Thai's drop subject and sometimes even object all the time, but I
  > thought it was just because they, like Westerners, are lazy.
  > For example, I could ask you: `Are you hungry?', or I could just ask by
  > saying: `Hungry?' (with a rising tone). That's just laziness, or being
  > casual in your speech.
  > I do think language does reveal the different values of culture. For
  > example in Thai there are only 3 tenses: past, present and future; whereas
  > there are many, many adjectives and pronouns that are used to specifically
  > identify the speaker's relationship with the one addressed. In English
  > there are many (27?) verb tenses and very few special pronouns. This I
  > think shows that Westerner's value time more than Asians; whereas Asians put
  > more importance on personal relationships than time.
  > ...Bill!


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