Hi, Anthony

It will be very well Mahayana, but I have always read that we will be not 
complete till the last sentient being would not be enlightened.

Any change is a change,
If for good, each time, a little better.
Maybe too naïf.

Just listening to Metta Chant (along with some Shiv mantra)
And remembering what I read in a Jain book: even non believers, not specially 
easy to get enlightnement, even the less likely to get enlightement, they get. 

With best whises

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Wu 
  To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member

        Nor does it change human nature on greed, aversion and delusion that 
lead to killing, lying, robbing and raping?


        --- On Mon, 29/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

          From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
          Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
          To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Monday, 29 November, 2010, 10:12 PM


          Sitting can calm the mind and make it more receptive to the Teachings 
(of the Buddha); and living by these Teachings will drastically curtail the 
creation of new turmoil in the mind.
          It is not at all clear whether realizing Buddha Nature can augment 
one's psychological/emotional/relational smarts significantly, unless 
supplemented with mental health counseling - and then only perhaps.
          Nor will it necessarily rectify personality disorders.
          Nor does it guarantee deeper psychological insight into human or 
group behaviors.
          Nor does it necessarily strip one of the religio-cultural fakery that 
almost always becomes part and parcel of one's stance in life.
          Nor does it necessarily enhance understanding of normal and natural 
human and human group behavior.
          Nor does it ever completely neutralize the pull of the triple 
cardinal attractors: Wealth, sex and power.
          Nor does it necessarily enhance one's ethical insights and behaviors.
          Nor those it ever squash the ego, but possibly only refines it.
          PS1: Please do not view the above statement as 'ex cathedra' 
utterances, but as statements to initiate the discussion of alternative 
perspectives and undertandings on these matters. 
          PS2: The ordinary human life is a non-attainment of the above goals.

          --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
          > Chris,
          > Keep sitting for all our sakes. 
          > ...Bill!


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