On Nov 28, 2010, at 7:33 AM, "Lana M. Gibbons" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Isn't doing anything for gain (even good gain) contrary to Zen in the first 
> place?

I would say that the effort to achieve results is more likely to crinkle up 
your mind than to allow you to stop doing the things that cover up how simple 
life really is.

>From the perspective of sitting, we are all one, and the idea of doing 
>something to benefit oneself makes no sense, there is no separate bag of stuff 
>called Chris. Likewise there are no others out there that need help from me 
>over here. 

Not to say that there isn't beneficial action, but no helper helping a helpee.  

For me at least, practice has been learning how to stop doing stuff to my 
mind/body that cranks me up with various fears and plots. 

Thanks,

Chris Austin-Lane

> 
> -Lana
> 
> "We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life." - 
> William Osler

Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Nov 28, 2010, at 7:33, "Lana M. Gibbons" <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Isn't doing anything for gain (even good gain) contrary to Zen in the first 
> place?
> 
> -Lana
>  
> "We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life." - 
> William Osler
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 7:41 AM, ED <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Do you not believe that there *is* merit in discussing various possible 
> motivations for Zen practice, and what we hope to gain from it for ourelves 
> and/or for humankind (if  anything at all?)
> 
> Thanks, ED
> 
> 
> 
> 

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