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--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> The intellect is part of ordinary mind, as is being attached to emotions and
> believing in a self. This is the world of the conditioned and the relative. I
> know because I live there. It's not for want, or "lack", of anything that
> takes us beyond, but the dropping of these things.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "yonyonson@..." <yonyonson@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2012, 0:47
> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen
>
>
> Â
> > There's no need to speculate whether we are always aware, or not. We just
> > are. Of course, some are not aware that we are always aware. Funny you
> > should put me in that camp, but there you are...
>
> yes, a need to or not does not interfere with your speculation. ;-)
>
> "We just are" Can you feel it in your zen bones?
>
> it makes no difference to me, but when you use expressions like "going
> beyond" there must be a lacking, a goal, call it what you like.
>
> hongyeongsoo
>
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "yonyonson@..." <yonyonson@...>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 23:53
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen
> >
> >
> >
> >>>does a door-post lack anything?
> >>
> >> Well, you've just answered your own question by asking me and not the
> >> door-post.
> >
> > i ask you because you seem to think so or not so.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses
> >> you"; not the other way around.
> >>
> >>
> >> That's only one side of the dualistic coin (tariki = outside help; other
> >> power). The other side is of the coin is Jiriki (Awakening brought about
> >> by
> >> one's own self power/effort). They're not mutually exclusive, btw.
> >
> > tariki/jiriki...huh? outside of scriptures and/or japanese language.
> > show me please...
> > also, "outside(tariki)/inside(jiriki)"? of what? WHO?
> >
> >>
> >>> No conditions.
> >>
> >> You could say that Buddha Nature is the Unconditioned, but what prevents
> >> a
> >> person in a coma from becoming Awakened in this very moment?
> >
> > i don't know
> >
> >>
> >>>"beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there?
> >>
> >> Who hasn't been there? Who isn't there now? Even when you're in the
> >> middle
> >> of a grievous argument your awareness of being doesn't disappear.
> >
> > reminds me of Zuigan's morning question, "Master, Master, are you
> > awake? are you Super Awake?" okay, so no problems? what are you
> > aspiring towards?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>or are you just speculating?
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >
> > yes.
> >
> > hongyeongsoo
> >
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "yonyonson@..." <yonyonson@...>
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 19:34
> >> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> does a door-post lack anything?
> >>
> >> more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses
> >> you"; not the other way around. No conditions.
> >>
> >> "beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there?
> >> or are you just speculating?
> >>
> >> hongyeongsoo
> >>
> >> "zazen is good for nothing"
> >>
> >> On 10/24/12, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
> >>> In Edgar's defence, try telling a door-post, or a one day old baby, or a
> >>> person in a coma - "Just This" - and see if they Awaken. So the
> >>> intellect
> >>> is
> >>> needed to both live and set the conditions for awakening, but toreally
> >>> live
> >>> we have to go beyond the intellect into intuition and awareness. 2 plus
> >>> 2
> >>> =
> >>> 4. But what does 4 equal?
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>
> >>> To: [email protected]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 23:26
> >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Group, & Edgar,
> >>>
> >>> I did my level best to draw Edgar out, but to Noah Veil.
> >>>
> >>> I inscribe my Gatha in sorrow, with regret and apology to all.
> >>>
> >>> To Edgar:
> >>> -- -----
> >>> Stubbornness does not Compassion show;
> >>> Nor Self-Protectiveness quicken the Slow.
> >>> One-up-man-ship
> >>> Did never steal THIS show.
> >>>
> >>> Generosity and consideration
> >>> Are a far more wholesome ration.
> >>> But Clarity, Honesty, and help,
> >>> Come not from a whelp.
> >>>
> >>> To raise a point and then depart
> >>> Is the misplaced throwing of a dart.
> >>> To live to lie another day,
> >>> is the cellulose Philosophy of a bale of Hay.
> >>>
> >>> --J. Guo-Xiang Tennen M.
> >>>
> >>>> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> REALITY, THE WORLD OF FORMS, as I just said!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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