Mike, It's certainly not a command and not really a suggestion.
IMO... In order to become aware of Buddha Nature for the first time (kensho_ people have to 'stop' or 'halt' their discriminating mind (intellect and source of illusions). This is the purpose of all zen teaching techniques such as koans, chanting, bowing, kinhin (walking mediation), samu (mindfulness work detail) and even zazen (shikantaza). After that these techniques are used to deepen and integrate the experience of Buddha Nature into all phases of daily life including the reappearance of the discriminating mind, rationality, illusions and all - but now these are seen as illusions and applied/accepted without attachments. I don't know why I used the term 'drop' there, but I think I was echoing something said in the post to which I was replying. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > >Drop the mind > > > Is that a command or a suggestion? To be honest, I don't think either are > possible. That'd be like satori or demand. I see dropping the mind as a kind > of 'grace' rather than something you can 'do'. Who was it here (I think it > was Chris) who quoted someone who said something similar? To paraphrase, 'If > Enlightenment is an accident, then zazen makes us accident-prone'. > > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 9:16 > Subject: [Zen] Re: if one looses one's mind can one still experience zen? > > > Â > Merle, > > Lots to cover...I've embedded my responses in the body of your text... > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > bill!.. > > so what is it exactly what you are attempting to tell me Bill!... > Just THIS! > > > by the way having to add an exclamation mark is very painful.. > > means i have to do shift.....that's not my style.. > > so it will have to be billllllllll...... > > ÃÂ hey looks like a bar code on the grocery item eh? > > A little... > > > ÃÂ billllllllllllllllllll..................... > > ÃÂ so you have told me over and over again we must all have instructions.. > > well hallo billlllllllllllllll with the bar code name... > > i am the teacher... > > how many times have i hinted at this and you do not believe me!... > > I didn't count them. Many times. > > > ÃÂ don't you have faith in me?.. > > No. > > > don't trust me? > > No. > > > sensual ..mmmm interesting.. > > i was of the understanding through realisation and your most power packed > > instructionsÃÂ > > that we must under all costs detach ourselves from the senses...ÃÂ > > as they are attachments and can hinder realisation?.. > > Absolutely not. Do not detach yourself from your senses. They are how you > experience. They are the gateway to Buddha Nature. > > > so what are we left with mind!... > > Drop the mind and you are left with only senses - only experience - Just THIS! > > > do you hate your mind? > > No. > > > ÃÂ somewhere along the track you feel mind is a hinderance and must not be > > tolerated!.. > > ATTACHMENT to the mind is a hindrance to realizing Buddha Nature, not the > mind itself. > > > look at this way if one looses one's mind through an illness can one still > > experience zen? > > You don't EXPERIENCE zen, you PRACTICE zen. You EXPERIENCE Buddha Nature. > And yes, anyone that is able t ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
