Mike, Bill!, Shepherdspie,
I'd say that if seeing those things is really the aim of some of the practices
in Zen, then it's not necessary to speak about it, especially in advance of the
techniques or practice methods being applied or adopted. Let the methods work.
Teaching about these issues in advance is part of the curriculum of the
Teaching School of Gradualism, of which Theravada is a part.
It was not carried over in the Zen school, which is the Sudden School, and part
of the Mahayana.
Now, there are Mahayana "Philosophies", as in the Yogacara and Madhyamika
schools, but these are philosophical schools, where talking is allowed. ;-)
I think you are perhaps bringing in some echoes or flavors from your Vipassana
practice, which are however out of context, and not representative of Zen
practice, teaching, and training.
Each school of training has its own logic, process, and progress, and is
complete in itself, to itself, and for itself. That's why it is called a
school. It isn't fair to mix them if a person asks about Zen practices, say,
in a Zen forum ...except without a disclaimer such as I've made here ...if you
do mix them.
I note that Bill! did not mix them.
I don't think I did either, in my reply to "Shep".
Well, strong practice, all.
--Joe
> "mike" <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
> I agree with everything you wrote, but i would add that most Buddhist
> teaching techniques ( including Zen) aim to not only stop creating delusions,
> but to see that the delusions we create are due to a belief in a mind and a
> self and ignorance of impermanence. I add this only for Stephen's interest,
> not because ts news to you.
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