I wouldn't describe my Soto Zen training as Sudden school, they talked
about the rain soaking one gradually,  but I will share that the flood of
"Zen thoughts" I had in the first year or or so of sitting was a lot
sillier than the normal silly street thoughts I noticed when I first sat.

Thanks,
--Chris
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 On Mar 24, 2013 6:55 PM, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Yep, folks may always disagree with the personality of the Zen school, but
> suffice it to say -- and I hope, to understand -- that the Zen school is
> not the Teaching School.
>
> The "Don't-know Mind" is the one that I think people in Zen practice most
> helpfully bring into practice situations.  If we go in armed with images,
> models, conceptions -- someone ELSE'S wisdom -- we often use those arms
> against ourselves, mitigating against an awakening opportunity.
>
> I've sensed it's a very delicate business, sometimes.  Better --in OUR way
> -- to arrive empty handed, empty fisted.  Nothing to grasp, nothing to
> carry you to the other shore.
>
> This is the way that compassionate geniuses have set up our practice.  I
> won't disagree with their hearts.
>
> Other geniuses have set up other schools' practices.  Bless their hearts,
> too.
>
> We get to choose which is our school.  And then to choose whether to be
> true to it.
>
> --Joe
>
> > "mike" <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > I thought my response struck a perfect balance between serious and
> comic! Guess all those years of watching M*A*S*H didn't pay off.
> >
> > I hear what yor're saying *but* I don't necessarily agree with the idea
> that being exposed to some truths lessens the impact, or ability, to sudden
> awakening. Usually when we think we've 'got it' we get our arses kicked by
> a break thru and the realisation there's a whole lot more (or more
> accurately, less) to what we previously believed.
>
>
>
>
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