I wouldn't describe it thusly. Even Aitken never really had a kensho experience.
Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Mar 24, 2013 10:21 PM, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > > Soto, Rinzai, it doesn't matter. Zen is the Sudden School, compared with > the Teaching School, any day. > > Suddenly you're as wet as you're going to get; the last drop is SUDDEN. > > Not quite the same as Maxwell House, though: "Good to the last Drop". > > It's "Gone, gone, gone beyond, gone completely beyond. Bodhi; Svahah!" > > I'd say a falling away, a stopping; rather than a going away. > > --Joe > > > Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote: > > > > I wouldn't describe my Soto Zen training as Sudden school, they talked > > about the rain soaking one gradually, but I will share that the flood of > > "Zen thoughts" I had in the first year or or so of sitting was a lot > > sillier than the normal silly street thoughts I noticed when I first sat. > > > > Thanks, > > --Chris > > 301-270-6524 > > On Mar 24, 2013 6:55 PM, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > Yep, folks may always disagree with the personality of the Zen school, > but > > > suffice it to say -- and I hope, to understand -- that the Zen school > is > > > not the Teaching School. > > > > > > The "Don't-know Mind" is the one that I think people in Zen practice > most > > > helpfully bring into practice situations. If we go in armed with > images, > > > models, conceptions -- someone ELSE'S wisdom -- we often use those arms > > > against ourselves, mitigating against an awakening opportunity. > > > > > > I've sensed it's a very delicate business, sometimes. Better --in OUR > way > > > -- to arrive empty handed, empty fisted. Nothing to grasp, nothing to > > > carry you to the other shore. > > > > > > This is the way that compassionate geniuses have set up our practice. > I > > > won't disagree with their hearts. > > > > > > Other geniuses have set up other schools' practices. Bless their > hearts, > > > too. > > > > > > We get to choose which is our school. And then to choose whether to be > > > true to it. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
