hey raf... with your views in evo psycho i doubt whether you actually fit into 
this zen group...your pretty self righteous and extreme right wing if memory 
serves me correct..margaret thatcher would she not be one of your ideal 
politicians?..how that can then link in with Buddhism with you and zen would be 
most interesting to hear..and if you do reply to this question... please plain 
english...not mindless waffle..thanks...merle 
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>>You are a persuasive fellow, Edgar, and I am mindful of the negative karma of 
>>hiding the dharma, but remain dubious that any of the lurkers will be more 
>>receptive of my insight than those who post. So, let's do this: you may post 
>>this, and antecedent e-mails to the group with the following statement.
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>>Whereas I am grateful for those who gave me a glimpse of the moon, I am 
>>willing to discuss the dharma with those who have an open mind regarding the 
>>insights of genetic science and evolutionary psychology. Those of you who 
>>believe the historic-but-pre-scientific Way of Zen is already perfect, and, 
>>in particular that the current manifestation of the zen tradition is 
>>acceptable, should not waste our time by contacting me. In particular, those 
>>who believe you already know what is morally right and wrong, in accordance 
>>with the dharma, will not be able to comprehend my view. Those who believe 
>>that anything which happens to agree with your inclinations is 'zen', or who 
>>would argue that promiscuous altruism is righteousness would be wasting their 
>>time to communicate with me. Those of you who believe that emotional states 
>>you may have experienced are self authenticating and have given you access to 
>>'truth' are probably not ready to understand me. 
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>>I do not absolutely refuse to communicate with Bill, Joe, or even Chris, Mike 
>>or Merle, but unless those of you who agree with the views they have 
>>expressed can abandon the assumption that your views are congruent with 
>>'righteousness' I don't think I can help you, and I have no interest in 
>>disputation. 
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>>RAF 
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>>________________________________
>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>
>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
>>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:38 AM
>>Subject: Re: re
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>>There are actually several hundred members of the group who likely read but 
>>don't post. Think of all those poor souls starved for the truth!
>>:-)
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>>Edgar
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>>On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
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>>I appreciate the implication of this, but recall that I eschewed the 
>>Bodhisattva vows, though of course I didn't know this pack of losers then. 
>>Still, because I am mindful of the karmic debt I owe to those who pointed out 
>>the moon to me, I not only imparted my view, but did so several times, in 
>>spite of rudeness and scorn: obligation discharged. I am not attached to 
>>teaching or 'saving' these people. In the cases of some of them, I actually 
>>feel something like schadenfreude: it is their karmic burden to have denied 
>>others whatever assistance I might have provided, by scorning my wisdom, so 
>>not only are they blundering off in 'darkness', but they have denied the 
>>light to others.
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>>>If  I actually thought any of them had ears to hear, I would speak again, 
>>>but they are too full of themselves, and the PC semblance-of-zen of this era 
>>>actually does confirm their rejection of my view, so I am content to follow 
>>>my Way and keep my own counsel: let everyone work out their own salvation ;-)
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>>>RAF
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>
>>>To: "[email protected] Fonda" <[email protected]> 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:36 PM
>>>Subject: re
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>>>PS: I really wish you'd post your thoughts to the Zen group as well as just 
>>>me. Would be an excellent counter to all the nonsense there...
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>>>Thanks,
>>>Edgar
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