Bill, Have you used that sw to start any blogs yourself? If so I'd like to know your experience..
Edgar On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > You're correct. I don't, but RAF clearly does. It's the same with all > illusion. If you believe it's real it can have real effects on you. Like > feeling guilty, or feeling like you sinned. > > I just expressed my hope that RAF finds a way to share his thoughts in a way > that will make him feel he is avoiding or at least reducing the amount of > negative karma he thinks he may be accumulating; or perhaps even start > accumulating positive karma if he believes karma comes in those two flavors. > > I do agree with some of the others' suggestions that RAF's insights into > genetic science and/or evolutionary psychology sound like something that > would much better received on a forum dedicated specifically to those fields, > or at least focused on science. > > Since he sounds like he's mainly interested in acceptance and definitely > looking to avoid any hint of challenge or rejection he might even consider > just starting a BLOG in which he could record and publish his insights, > perhaps allowing some questions or comments if and when he feels ready for > that kind of interaction. If he wants to do that I suggest he check out > Wordpress (http://wordpress.org/) for some very practical and user-friendly > blog software. > > Another thing he could consider would be to start his own Yahoo! Group > dedicated to his area of focus - whatever that is. > > Anything to keep the karma wolf from the door... > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > I thought you didn't believe in karma? > > > > Edgar > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > RAF (via Edgar), > > > > > > Although I find your assertion that genetic science and evolutionary > > > psychology have anything at all to do with zen besides further muddying > > > the waters (remember the moon?) I can assure you that I do not assert > > > that I know what is 'morally right and wrong' and do not hold any of my > > > views as 'righteous' at all. When I speak assertively, positively and > > > confidently it is because they are the results of experience - not > > > thought. I do have to express this experience in thought and certainly > > > run into my share of problems there, but this is the reason I participate > > > in the Yahoo! Zen Forum (and others) - to improve my ability to > > > communicate my experience. > > > > > > But as both Edgar and even Merle will tell you I am always open to > > > hearing other's points of view. That doesn't mean I'll agree and also > > > doesn't mean I won't push back or ask difficult questions. > > > > > > If you wish to participate in the Zen Forum directly or indirectly (via > > > Edgar) please do. If you wish to start up private email discussions > > > between yourself and our members you're of course welcome to do that also. > > > > > > However you decide to proceed I certainly hope it helps you with that > > > karma problem you seem to think you have. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a persuasive fellow, Edgar, and I am mindful of the negative > > > > > karma of hiding the dharma, but remain dubious that any of the > > > > > lurkers will be more receptive of my insight than those who post. So, > > > > > let's do this: you may post this, and antecedent e-mails to the group > > > > > with the following statement. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas I am grateful for those who gave me a glimpse of the moon, I > > > > > am willing to discuss the dharma with those who have an open mind > > > > > regarding the insights of genetic science and evolutionary > > > > > psychology. Those of you who believe the historic-but-pre-scientific > > > > > Way of Zen is already perfect, and, in particular that the current > > > > > manifestation of the zen tradition is acceptable, should not waste > > > > > our time by contacting me. In particular, those who believe you > > > > > already know what is morally right and wrong, in accordance with the > > > > > dharma, will not be able to comprehend my view. Those who believe > > > > > that anything which happens to agree with your inclinations is 'zen', > > > > > or who would argue that promiscuous altruism is righteousness would > > > > > be wasting their time to communicate with me. Those of you who > > > > > believe that emotional states you may have experienced are self > > > > > authenticating and have given you access to 'truth' are probably not > > > > > ready to understand me. > > > > > > > > > > I do not absolutely refuse to communicate with Bill, Joe, or even > > > > > Chris, Mike or Merle, but unless those of you who agree with the > > > > > views they have expressed can abandon the assumption that your views > > > > > are congruent with 'righteousness' I don't think I can help you, and > > > > > I have no interest in disputation. > > > > > > > > > > RAF > > > > > > > > > > From: Edgar Owen <Edgar@> > > > > > To: "rafonda@" <rafonda@> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:38 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: re > > > > > > > > > > There are actually several hundred members of the group who likely > > > > > read but don't post. Think of all those poor souls starved for the > > > > > truth! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:34 PM, rafonda@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I appreciate the implication of this, but recall that I eschewed the > > > > >> Bodhisattva vows, though of course I didn't know this pack of losers > > > > >> then. Still, because I am mindful of the karmic debt I owe to those > > > > >> who pointed out the moon to me, I not only imparted my view, but did > > > > >> so several times, in spite of rudeness and scorn: obligation > > > > >> discharged. I am not attached to teaching or 'saving' these people. > > > > >> In the cases of some of them, I actually feel something like > > > > >> schadenfreude: it is their karmic burden to have denied others > > > > >> whatever assistance I might have provided, by scorning my wisdom, so > > > > >> not only are they blundering off in 'darkness', but they have denied > > > > >> the light to others. > > > > >> > > > > >> If I actually thought any of them had ears to hear, I would speak > > > > >> again, but they are too full of themselves, and the PC > > > > >> semblance-of-zen of this era actually does confirm their rejection > > > > >> of my view, so I am content to follow my Way and keep my own > > > > >> counsel: let everyone work out their own salvation ;-) > > > > >> > > > > >> RAF > > > > >> > > > > >> From: Edgar Owen <Edgar@> > > > > >> To: "rafonda@ Fonda" <rafonda@> > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:36 PM > > > > >> Subject: re > > > > >> > > > > >> PS: I really wish you'd post your thoughts to the Zen group as well > > > > >> as just me. Would be an excellent counter to all the nonsense > > > > >> there... > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> Edgar > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
