Thanks, I'll check it out though I use a Mac... BTW out of curiosity what couple of websites do you run?
Edgar On Apr 13, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > I did get this software and checked it out to see if I could use it to > possible replace a couple websites I run. I found it easy to use but it was a > little limited for a complete website of the type I wanted. They have lots of > templates and you can do most anything you want. It really has a nice, clean > look. It's all free. They also have upgrades that you can buy, but they're > not necessary. > > ...Bill! > > Check them out...http://wordpress.org/. Their own site is run on their > software. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > Have you used that sw to start any blogs yourself? If so I'd like to know > > your experience.. > > > > Edgar > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > You're correct. I don't, but RAF clearly does. It's the same with all > > > illusion. If you believe it's real it can have real effects on you. Like > > > feeling guilty, or feeling like you sinned. > > > > > > I just expressed my hope that RAF finds a way to share his thoughts in a > > > way that will make him feel he is avoiding or at least reducing the > > > amount of negative karma he thinks he may be accumulating; or perhaps > > > even start accumulating positive karma if he believes karma comes in > > > those two flavors. > > > > > > I do agree with some of the others' suggestions that RAF's insights into > > > genetic science and/or evolutionary psychology sound like something that > > > would much better received on a forum dedicated specifically to those > > > fields, or at least focused on science. > > > > > > Since he sounds like he's mainly interested in acceptance and definitely > > > looking to avoid any hint of challenge or rejection he might even > > > consider just starting a BLOG in which he could record and publish his > > > insights, perhaps allowing some questions or comments if and when he > > > feels ready for that kind of interaction. If he wants to do that I > > > suggest he check out Wordpress (http://wordpress.org/) for some very > > > practical and user-friendly blog software. > > > > > > Another thing he could consider would be to start his own Yahoo! Group > > > dedicated to his area of focus - whatever that is. > > > > > > Anything to keep the karma wolf from the door... > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > I thought you didn't believe in karma? > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > RAF (via Edgar), > > > > > > > > > > Although I find your assertion that genetic science and evolutionary > > > > > psychology have anything at all to do with zen besides further > > > > > muddying the waters (remember the moon?) I can assure you that I do > > > > > not assert that I know what is 'morally right and wrong' and do not > > > > > hold any of my views as 'righteous' at all. When I speak assertively, > > > > > positively and confidently it is because they are the results of > > > > > experience - not thought. I do have to express this experience in > > > > > thought and certainly run into my share of problems there, but this > > > > > is the reason I participate in the Yahoo! Zen Forum (and others) - to > > > > > improve my ability to communicate my experience. > > > > > > > > > > But as both Edgar and even Merle will tell you I am always open to > > > > > hearing other's points of view. That doesn't mean I'll agree and also > > > > > doesn't mean I won't push back or ask difficult questions. > > > > > > > > > > If you wish to participate in the Zen Forum directly or indirectly > > > > > (via Edgar) please do. If you wish to start up private email > > > > > discussions between yourself and our members you're of course welcome > > > > > to do that also. > > > > > > > > > > However you decide to proceed I certainly hope it helps you with that > > > > > karma problem you seem to think you have. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a persuasive fellow, Edgar, and I am mindful of the > > > > > > > negative karma of hiding the dharma, but remain dubious that any > > > > > > > of the lurkers will be more receptive of my insight than those > > > > > > > who post. So, let's do this: you may post this, and antecedent > > > > > > > e-mails to the group with the following statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas I am grateful for those who gave me a glimpse of the > > > > > > > moon, I am willing to discuss the dharma with those who have an > > > > > > > open mind regarding the insights of genetic science and > > > > > > > evolutionary psychology. Those of you who believe the > > > > > > > historic-but-pre-scientific Way of Zen is already perfect, and, > > > > > > > in particular that the current manifestation of the zen tradition > > > > > > > is acceptable, should not waste our time by contacting me. In > > > > > > > particular, those who believe you already know what is morally > > > > > > > right and wrong, in accordance with the dharma, will not be able > > > > > > > to comprehend my view. Those who believe that anything which > > > > > > > happens to agree with your inclinations is 'zen', or who would > > > > > > > argue that promiscuous altruism is righteousness would be wasting > > > > > > > their time to communicate with me. Those of you who believe that > > > > > > > emotional states you may have experienced are self authenticating > > > > > > > and have given you access to 'truth' are probably not ready to > > > > > > > understand me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not absolutely refuse to communicate with Bill, Joe, or even > > > > > > > Chris, Mike or Merle, but unless those of you who agree with the > > > > > > > views they have expressed can abandon the assumption that your > > > > > > > views are congruent with 'righteousness' I don't think I can help > > > > > > > you, and I have no interest in disputation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Edgar Owen <Edgar@> > > > > > > > To: "rafonda@" <rafonda@> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:38 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: re > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are actually several hundred members of the group who > > > > > > > likely read but don't post. Think of all those poor souls starved > > > > > > > for the truth! > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:34 PM, rafonda@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I appreciate the implication of this, but recall that I eschewed > > > > > > >> the Bodhisattva vows, though of course I didn't know this pack > > > > > > >> of losers then. Still, because I am mindful of the karmic debt I > > > > > > >> owe to those who pointed out the moon to me, I not only imparted > > > > > > >> my view, but did so several times, in spite of rudeness and > > > > > > >> scorn: obligation discharged. I am not attached to teaching or > > > > > > >> 'saving' these people. In the cases of some of them, I actually > > > > > > >> feel something like schadenfreude: it is their karmic burden to > > > > > > >> have denied others whatever assistance I might have provided, by > > > > > > >> scorning my wisdom, so not only are they blundering off in > > > > > > >> 'darkness', but they have denied the light to others. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> If I actually thought any of them had ears to hear, I would > > > > > > >> speak again, but they are too full of themselves, and the PC > > > > > > >> semblance-of-zen of this era actually does confirm their > > > > > > >> rejection of my view, so I am content to follow my Way and keep > > > > > > >> my own counsel: let everyone work out their own salvation ;-) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> RAF > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> From: Edgar Owen <Edgar@> > > > > > > >> To: "rafonda@ Fonda" <rafonda@> > > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:36 PM > > > > > > >> Subject: re > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> PS: I really wish you'd post your thoughts to the Zen group as > > > > > > >> well as just me. Would be an excellent counter to all the > > > > > > >> nonsense there... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > >> Edgar > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
