Edgar, I run two of my own: one personal and one business. I also run one for my high school class. They are at:
www.billsmart.com www.billsmart.com/bsc www.hhs1963.org ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Thanks, I'll check it out though I use a Mac... > > BTW out of curiosity what couple of websites do you run? > > Edgar > > > > On Apr 13, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > I did get this software and checked it out to see if I could use it to > > possible replace a couple websites I run. I found it easy to use but it was > > a little limited for a complete website of the type I wanted. They have > > lots of templates and you can do most anything you want. It really has a > > nice, clean look. It's all free. They also have upgrades that you can buy, > > but they're not necessary. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > Check them out...http://wordpress.org/. Their own site is run on their > > software. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Have you used that sw to start any blogs yourself? If so I'd like to know > > > your experience.. > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > You're correct. I don't, but RAF clearly does. It's the same with all > > > > illusion. If you believe it's real it can have real effects on you. > > > > Like feeling guilty, or feeling like you sinned. > > > > > > > > I just expressed my hope that RAF finds a way to share his thoughts in > > > > a way that will make him feel he is avoiding or at least reducing the > > > > amount of negative karma he thinks he may be accumulating; or perhaps > > > > even start accumulating positive karma if he believes karma comes in > > > > those two flavors. > > > > > > > > I do agree with some of the others' suggestions that RAF's insights > > > > into genetic science and/or evolutionary psychology sound like > > > > something that would much better received on a forum dedicated > > > > specifically to those fields, or at least focused on science. > > > > > > > > Since he sounds like he's mainly interested in acceptance and > > > > definitely looking to avoid any hint of challenge or rejection he might > > > > even consider just starting a BLOG in which he could record and publish > > > > his insights, perhaps allowing some questions or comments if and when > > > > he feels ready for that kind of interaction. If he wants to do that I > > > > suggest he check out Wordpress (http://wordpress.org/) for some very > > > > practical and user-friendly blog software. > > > > > > > > Another thing he could consider would be to start his own Yahoo! Group > > > > dedicated to his area of focus - whatever that is. > > > > > > > > Anything to keep the karma wolf from the door... > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > I thought you didn't believe in karma? > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > RAF (via Edgar), > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I find your assertion that genetic science and > > > > > > evolutionary psychology have anything at all to do with zen besides > > > > > > further muddying the waters (remember the moon?) I can assure you > > > > > > that I do not assert that I know what is 'morally right and wrong' > > > > > > and do not hold any of my views as 'righteous' at all. When I speak > > > > > > assertively, positively and confidently it is because they are the > > > > > > results of experience - not thought. I do have to express this > > > > > > experience in thought and certainly run into my share of problems > > > > > > there, but this is the reason I participate in the Yahoo! Zen Forum > > > > > > (and others) - to improve my ability to communicate my experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > But as both Edgar and even Merle will tell you I am always open to > > > > > > hearing other's points of view. That doesn't mean I'll agree and > > > > > > also doesn't mean I won't push back or ask difficult questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you wish to participate in the Zen Forum directly or indirectly > > > > > > (via Edgar) please do. If you wish to start up private email > > > > > > discussions between yourself and our members you're of course > > > > > > welcome to do that also. > > > > > > > > > > > > However you decide to proceed I certainly hope it helps you with > > > > > > that karma problem you seem to think you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a persuasive fellow, Edgar, and I am mindful of the > > > > > > > > negative karma of hiding the dharma, but remain dubious that > > > > > > > > any of the lurkers will be more receptive of my insight than > > > > > > > > those who post. So, let's do this: you may post this, and > > > > > > > > antecedent e-mails to the group with the following statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas I am grateful for those who gave me a glimpse of the > > > > > > > > moon, I am willing to discuss the dharma with those who have an > > > > > > > > open mind regarding the insights of genetic science and > > > > > > > > evolutionary psychology. Those of you who believe the > > > > > > > > historic-but-pre-scientific Way of Zen is already perfect, and, > > > > > > > > in particular that the current manifestation of the zen > > > > > > > > tradition is acceptable, should not waste our time by > > > > > > > > contacting me. In particular, those who believe you already > > > > > > > > know what is morally right and wrong, in accordance with the > > > > > > > > dharma, will not be able to comprehend my view. Those who > > > > > > > > believe that anything which happens to agree with your > > > > > > > > inclinations is 'zen', or who would argue that promiscuous > > > > > > > > altruism is righteousness would be wasting their time to > > > > > > > > communicate with me. Those of you who believe that emotional > > > > > > > > states you may have experienced are self authenticating and > > > > > > > > have given you access to 'truth' are probably not ready to > > > > > > > > understand me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not absolutely refuse to communicate with Bill, Joe, or > > > > > > > > even Chris, Mike or Merle, but unless those of you who agree > > > > > > > > with the views they have expressed can abandon the assumption > > > > > > > > that your views are congruent with 'righteousness' I don't > > > > > > > > think I can help you, and I have no interest in disputation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Edgar Owen <Edgar@> > > > > > > > > To: "rafonda@" <rafonda@> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:38 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: re > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are actually several hundred members of the group who > > > > > > > > likely read but don't post. Think of all those poor souls > > > > > > > > starved for the truth! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:34 PM, rafonda@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I appreciate the implication of this, but recall that I > > > > > > > >> eschewed the Bodhisattva vows, though of course I didn't know > > > > > > > >> this pack of losers then. Still, because I am mindful of the > > > > > > > >> karmic debt I owe to those who pointed out the moon to me, I > > > > > > > >> not only imparted my view, but did so several times, in spite > > > > > > > >> of rudeness and scorn: obligation discharged. I am not > > > > > > > >> attached to teaching or 'saving' these people. In the cases of > > > > > > > >> some of them, I actually feel something like schadenfreude: it > > > > > > > >> is their karmic burden to have denied others whatever > > > > > > > >> assistance I might have provided, by scorning my wisdom, so > > > > > > > >> not only are they blundering off in 'darkness', but they have > > > > > > > >> denied the light to others. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> If I actually thought any of them had ears to hear, I would > > > > > > > >> speak again, but they are too full of themselves, and the PC > > > > > > > >> semblance-of-zen of this era actually does confirm their > > > > > > > >> rejection of my view, so I am content to follow my Way and > > > > > > > >> keep my own counsel: let everyone work out their own salvation > > > > > > > >> ;-) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> RAF > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> From: Edgar Owen <Edgar@> > > > > > > > >> To: "rafonda@ Fonda" <rafonda@> > > > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:36 PM > > > > > > > >> Subject: re > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> PS: I really wish you'd post your thoughts to the Zen group as > > > > > > > >> well as just me. Would be an excellent counter to all the > > > > > > > >> nonsense there... > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> Edgar > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
