Bill, It's important to the GROUP because you claim sitting is the end all and be all of Zen when it's not...
Edgar On May 1, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > I only sit for 20 mins at a time. I don't know where the 22 mins came from. > If I typed that then it was a typo. > > I take a 5-min break in between sessions when I sit multiple sessions. > Sometimes I only sit 1 session but usually 2, and sometimes 3. > > I intend to sit daily but usually only manage it 3-5 days a week. > > Sometimes I substitute bowing or chanting for a 20-min session. > > I don't know how many hours I sit a week on average. I'd estimate 4 x 40 = > 160 mins or about 2-1/2 hours a week. > > Why is this important to you? It's not to me. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 > > minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > > > > > > I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but > > > some days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the > > > morning shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or > > > any stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and > > > then get up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like to > > > repeat this two more times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. > > > Sometimes I substitute bowing or chanting for sitting or for one of the > > > sessions. Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 sessions, and sometimes like I said > > > not at all. > > > > > > What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my method > > > > of meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. This is > > > > Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to be > > > > neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, > > > > nor even our quite young, recent, master teachers. > > > > > > > > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. > > > > > > > > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it > > > > here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). > > > > > > > > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more > > > > than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't > > > > name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost > > > > never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their > > > > writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; > > > > their vocalizations have faded. > > > > > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Bill, > > > > > > > > > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the > > > > > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost > > > > > always the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of > > > > > seeing the true nature of the world of forms. > > > > > > > > > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the > > > > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
