Edgar,
I just posted a Reply that addresses your contention below. This is such an
important issue that I'll restate it again in a slightly different way:
Enlightenment ('satori', first awareness of Buddha Nature) ALWAYS comes from
EXPERIENCE (sensory) and NEVER from thinking (intellectual activity which
creates the World of Forms). In fact as I know you've often seen me remark it
is ALMOST ALWAYS when the intellect is halted and the World of Forms (being
illusory) dissolves that Buddha Nature can be clearly experienced.
...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe and Bill,
>
> It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the
> traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always the
> result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the true
> nature of the world of forms.
>
> You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the exclusive
> emphasis you put on sitting....
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Joe wrote:
>
> > William,
> >
> > You've got a piece of it! The actual story has nothing to do with fools,
> > and the word does not appear. The practitioner central to the story was
> > ripe to awaken, through dedicated intense practice. Usually people awaken
> > due to some cooperating cause. In his case (it was a monk), it was a sound,
> > the sound of a stone striking a hollow bamboo.
> >
> > Many folks do not awaken while seated; some do.
> >
> > Hear the account by a modern Ch'an master, a young fellow aged only 36,
> > Ven. Guo Jun (a Dharma heir of my teacher, the Ven. Sheng Yen). The video
> > below is at the TRICYCLE Magazine website. The account of the awakening
> > begins soon after the 05:50 minute mark of the video below:
> >
> > http://www.tricycle.com/web-exclusive/returning-home
> >
> > Best!,
> >
> > --Joe
> > > William Rintala <brintala@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well then if not idiots, Fools then. I distinctly remember stories whose
> > > main protaganists were dubbed fools. One was of someone sweeping a
> > > walkway, and lost in discussion or contemplation, his broom struck a tile
> > > and as it clattered away be was enlightened.
> >
> >
>
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