Merle, It's DEFINITELY the QUALITY...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle > > > Â > Bill, > > Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 > minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week... > > Edgar > > > > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote: > > Â > >Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > > > >I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but some > >days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the morning > >shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or any > >stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and then get > >up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like to repeat > >this two more times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. Sometimes I > >substitute bowing or chanting for sitting or for one of the sessions. > >Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 sessions, and sometimes like I said not at all. > > > >What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation? > > > >...Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > >> > >> Edgar, > >> > >> When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my method > >> of meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. This is > >> Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to be > >> neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, nor > >> even our quite young, recent, master teachers. > >> > >> To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. > >> > >> We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it > >> here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). > >> > >> So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. > >> > >> --Joe > >> > >> PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more > >> than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't > >> name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost > >> never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their > >> writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; > >> their vocalizations have faded. > >> > >> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Joe and Bill, > >> > > >> > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the > >> > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always > >> > the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the > >> > true nature of the world of forms. > >> > > >> > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the > >> > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
