so edgar..fill us all in with one example in your the "real real" world..merle
Bill, Are you referring to the other posters on this group? Edgar On May 2, 2013, at 2:26 AM, Bill! wrote: >Edgar, > >What then of all the sentient beings that are not endowed with the ability to >reason? > >...Bill! > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> >> In the history of humanity first things had to be figured out using reason. >> Only after learning them can they be done via second nature. >> >> This is another proof that first we must understand reality. Only then can >> it be directly experienced as it actually is. >> >> Of course we all directly experience reality anyway all the time. But >> without understanding what we are experiencing is the magician's tricks >> reality continually plays on us as illusion appears to be reality that we >> experience as reality. We are fooled into thinking illusion is reality if we >> have no understanding of the nature of forms. >> >> Not using reason to figure out reality is like trying to use water to start >> a fire. Never hatchy! >> >> First you use reason to figure out how to start a fire. Then you start a >> fire.... >> >> First you use reason to understand the world of forms. Only then can you >> experience the true nature of the world of forms. >> >> That's Zen... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On May 1, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Email wrote: >> >> > >> > My comment is addressed towards Joe's statement that " >> > >> > Our success as a species does not depend on models. It depends instead on >> > real life. >> > >> > Much of it is genuine engagement with Nature, in Nature, and luck and >> > spontaneity, and takes no time to "figure out". >> > >> > The figure-outers are in the dust, and tend not to pass on their genes. >> > >> > They'll argue that their way is the superior one, however. Of course >> > they'll argue! There's little left for them. >> > >> > --Joe >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On May 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Gosh, this suggests that reason helps us survive because it accurately >> >> models reality! >> >> >> >> >> >> What will Bill say? >> >> :-) >> >> >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Email wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Figured out how to kill the Mammoth without being killed. Figured out >> >>> what was safe to eat without being poisoned. Figured out how to survive. >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>> On May 1, 2013, at 1:45 PM, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi, William, >> >>>> >> >>>> OK, I'll bite. >> >>>> >> >>>> Figured what out? >> >>>> >> >>>> --Joe >> >>>> >> >>>> > Email <brintala@> wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I disagree. It was the first guy who attacked the Mammoth with a rock >> >>>> > who failed to pass on his genes. The fellows who figured it out are >> >>>> > our forefathers >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
