No.  I assume anyone posting on this forum has an intellect and can (but not 
necessarily does) employ reason.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> 
> Are you referring to the other posters on this group?
> 
> Edgar
> 
> 
> 
> On May 2, 2013, at 2:26 AM, Bill! wrote:
> 
> > Edgar,
> > 
> > What then of all the sentient beings that are not endowed with the ability 
> > to reason?
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > In the history of humanity first things had to be figured out using 
> > > reason. Only after learning them can they be done via second nature.
> > > 
> > > This is another proof that first we must understand reality. Only then 
> > > can it be directly experienced as it actually is.
> > > 
> > > Of course we all directly experience reality anyway all the time. But 
> > > without understanding what we are experiencing is the magician's tricks 
> > > reality continually plays on us as illusion appears to be reality that we 
> > > experience as reality. We are fooled into thinking illusion is reality if 
> > > we have no understanding of the nature of forms.
> > > 
> > > Not using reason to figure out reality is like trying to use water to 
> > > start a fire. Never hatchy!
> > > 
> > > First you use reason to figure out how to start a fire. Then you start a 
> > > fire....
> > > 
> > > First you use reason to understand the world of forms. Only then can you 
> > > experience the true nature of the world of forms.
> > > 
> > > That's Zen...
> > > 
> > > Edgar
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 1, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Email wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > My comment is addressed towards Joe's statement that "
> > > > 
> > > > Our success as a species does not depend on models. It depends instead 
> > > > on real life.
> > > > 
> > > > Much of it is genuine engagement with Nature, in Nature, and luck and 
> > > > spontaneity, and takes no time to "figure out".
> > > > 
> > > > The figure-outers are in the dust, and tend not to pass on their genes.
> > > > 
> > > > They'll argue that their way is the superior one, however. Of course 
> > > > they'll argue! There's little left for them.
> > > > 
> > > > --Joe
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On May 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Gosh, this suggests that reason helps us survive because it accurately 
> > > >> models reality!
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> What will Bill say?
> > > >> :-)
> > > >> 
> > > >> Edgar
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> On May 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Email wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Figured out how to kill the Mammoth without being killed. Figured out 
> > > >>> what was safe to eat without being poisoned. Figured out how to 
> > > >>> survive. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> On May 1, 2013, at 1:45 PM, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> Hi, William,
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> OK, I'll bite.
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> Figured what out?
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> --Joe
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> > Email <brintala@> wrote:
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > I disagree. It was the first guy who attacked the Mammoth with a 
> > > >>>> > rock who failed to pass on his genes. The fellows who figured it 
> > > >>>> > out are our forefathers
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>




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