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edgar are you then the enlightened ONE?... since you have all the realisations and know the total scoreboard.. where do you stand yourself on the enlightened ladder? obviously as confident as you are.. right at the top... watch you don't wobble off as you look down on us lesser creatures with our "illusions" "zen cartoons" and lack of understanding of the true nature of reality.. there is an old saying "old men and ladders just don't cut the mustard" so if you fall off your ladder and break your bones who's going to be there to pick up the pieces? i'd say the "lesser enlightened creatures" you so eagerly try to prove wrong wrong wrong take it easy on that ladder look down once from your high perch you might just slip and any enlightened being worth their weight in gold would never never ever rabbit on and on about others beings and their lacking insight and condemn their zen cartoons as foolish crap all is buddha nature: the good the bad and the ugly the silly the funny and the absurd the rational and the irrational the chop suey of life after all life is just a bowl of cherries! no more no less enjoy merle Edgar, It's only a pleasure for you while you interpret what is being said as supporting your theories. As soon as there is a contradiction JM will be just another "comic book" Zen fantasist. Who can forget your previous disparaging remarks regarding teachers and transmission? - things that are obviously at the heart of JM's Ch'an. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: What is Enlightenment? Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 4:15:20 PM JM, Exactly. There is only one reality, and that includes ALL of its manifestations in the various interpretations of various humans. But there is only one universal life force (what I call ontological energy and some call Tao or Buddha Nature), and there is only one true wisdom and that is its realization... It's a pleasure to have a teacher with true understanding back on the group! Edgar On May 19, 2013, at 9:59 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote: >Hi Bill, > >You always insisted that there are differences in zen, Zen, Chan. I can accept all of that, because all of that is inclusive in Chan. They are all description of the same one fundamental thing, the universal life force and wisdom and all of its manifestations. > >JM > > > >On 5/19/2013 6:52 AM, Bill! wrote: > > >>JMJM and Edgar, >> >>I don't know about Chan, but zen is a human practice that assists in balancing the interplay between Human Nature and Buddha Nature. I went on to describe it in more detail in a recent post. >> >>It is not everything. It is a practice. There are human activities that are not part of that practice. >> >>...Bill! >> >>--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> >>> JMJM, >>> >>> That's my understanding too. That's how I use the word though I usually refer to it as Zen. >>> >>> It's not something confined to any sect, temple or teacher though it may be recognized and taught therein. >>> >>> Chan or Zen is just a name for the fundamental reality of the world. But the name is not the reality, it just references the reality... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 19, 2013, at 9:08 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Mike, >>> > >>> > Chan is the absolute and most fundamental dharma. Chan is the essence of all and everything. >>> > Chan can be expressed with any kind of word or no word at all. >>> > >>> > JM >>> > >>> > On 5/19/2013 1:00 AM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Would it be fair to say that Cha'n still retains more of its original Indian Mahayana flavour than Japanese Zen? At least in it's outward expression, if not in its stories. I can almost smell the incense from here! ( meant respectfully). >>> >> >>> >> With cheeks together, on a chair, >>> >> >>> >> Mike >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad >>> >> >>> >> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>; >>> >> To: <[email protected]>; >>> >> Subject: [Zen] Re: What is Enlightenment? >>> >> Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 5:26:17 AM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> JMJM, >>> >> >>> >> Well done. Well expressed. Be well. Please take good care. >>> >> >>> >> Hands together, and with bow, >>> >> >>> >> --Joe >>> >> >>> >> > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > Everything we truly seek belongs to heart, i.e. peace, happiness, >>> >> > etc. >>> >> > >>> >> > Enhance the sensitivity of our heart. Accept all as is. Surpass the realm of desire, form and formlessness. Sync with the universal wisdom through our heart is the key to enlightenment. >>> >> > >>> >> > with palms together, >>> >> > jm >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> > > >
