Merle, You are asking the wrong question. You should concentrate on your OWN enlightenment, not mine....
Edgar On May 20, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > butting in... > > edgar > are you then the enlightened ONE?... > since you have all the realisations and know the total scoreboard.. > where do you stand yourself on the enlightened ladder? > obviously as confident as you are.. > right at the top... > watch you don't wobble off as you look down on us lesser creatures with our > "illusions" "zen cartoons" and lack of understanding of the true nature of > reality.. > > there is an old saying "old men and ladders just don't cut the mustard" > so if you fall off your ladder and break your bones > who's going to be there to pick up the pieces? > i'd say > the "lesser enlightened creatures" you so eagerly try to prove wrong wrong > wrong > > take it easy on that ladder > look down once from your high perch you might just slip > > and any enlightened being worth their weight in gold > would never never ever rabbit on and on about others beings and their > lacking insight and condemn their zen cartoons as foolish crap > > all is buddha nature: the good the bad and the ugly > the silly the funny and the absurd > the rational and the irrational > the chop suey of life > > after all life is just a bowl of cherries! > no more no less > enjoy > > merle > > > > > Edgar, > > It's only a pleasure for you while you interpret what is being said as > supporting your theories. As soon as there is a contradiction JM will be just > another "comic book" Zen fantasist. Who can forget your previous disparaging > remarks regarding teachers and transmission? - things that are obviously at > the heart of JM's Ch'an. > > Mike > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>; > To: <[email protected]>; > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: What is Enlightenment? > Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 4:15:20 PM > > > JM, > > Exactly. There is only one reality, and that includes ALL of its > manifestations in the various interpretations of various humans. But there is > only one universal life force (what I call ontological energy and some call > Tao or Buddha Nature), and there is only one true wisdom and that is its > realization... > > It's a pleasure to have a teacher with true understanding back on the group! > > Edgar > > > > On May 19, 2013, at 9:59 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote: > >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> You always insisted that there are differences in zen, Zen, Chan. I can >> accept all of that, because all of that is inclusive in Chan. They are all >> description of the same one fundamental thing, the universal life force and >> wisdom and all of its manifestations. >> >> JM >> >> >> On 5/19/2013 6:52 AM, Bill! wrote: >>> >>> JMJM and Edgar, >>> >>> I don't know about Chan, but zen is a human practice that assists in >>> balancing the interplay between Human Nature and Buddha Nature. I went on >>> to describe it in more detail in a recent post. >>> >>> It is not everything. It is a practice. There are human activities that are >>> not part of that practice. >>> >>> ...Bill! >>> >>> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> > >>> > JMJM, >>> > >>> > That's my understanding too. That's how I use the word though I usually >>> > refer to it as Zen. >>> > >>> > It's not something confined to any sect, temple or teacher though it may >>> > be recognized and taught therein. >>> > >>> > Chan or Zen is just a name for the fundamental reality of the world. But >>> > the name is not the reality, it just references the reality... >>> > >>> > Edgar >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On May 19, 2013, at 9:08 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hi Mike, >>> > > >>> > > Chan is the absolute and most fundamental dharma. Chan is the essence >>> > > of all and everything. >>> > > Chan can be expressed with any kind of word or no word at all. >>> > > >>> > > JM >>> > > >>> > > On 5/19/2013 1:00 AM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Would it be fair to say that Cha'n still retains more of its original >>> > >> Indian Mahayana flavour than Japanese Zen? At least in it's outward >>> > >> expression, if not in its stories. I can almost smell the incense from >>> > >> here! ( meant respectfully). >>> > >> >>> > >> With cheeks together, on a chair, >>> > >> >>> > >> Mike >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad >>> > >> >>> > >> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>; >>> > >> To: <[email protected]>; >>> > >> Subject: [Zen] Re: What is Enlightenment? >>> > >> Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 5:26:17 AM >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> JMJM, >>> > >> >>> > >> Well done. Well expressed. Be well. Please take good care. >>> > >> >>> > >> Hands together, and with bow, >>> > >> >>> > >> --Joe >>> > >> >>> > >> > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Everything we truly seek belongs to heart, i.e. peace, happiness, >>> > >> > etc. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Enhance the sensitivity of our heart. Accept all as is. Surpass the >>> > >> > realm of desire, form and formlessness. Sync with the universal >>> > >> > wisdom through our heart is the key to enlightenment. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > with palms together, >>> > >> > jm >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> > > > > >
