Merle, (and Bill) Of course reality changes all the time and people change reality, but it's always the real reality that is being changed not just some arbitrary imagined view of what reality is...
Take two people standing side by side and a dog also. Each sees a rabbit but each sees it differently. Does that mean the rabbit is actually 3 different things? No. The rabbit is still the rabbit is the reality. It's just interpreted differently by the 3 observers. Each imposes his own interpretation of the rabbit on the actual real rabbit. So contrary to Bill's solipsism there is a real rabbit out there or the 3 observers wouldn't even be able to come up with their 3 different interpretations of it. The rabbit does not exist in Bill's mind as an illusion. It exists as a real rabbit out there in the world of forms.... Edgar On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > really edgar..is that so > many a human has changed the course of reality by imposing their will on > others..e.g hitler, stalin... george w bush...etc... > so how can you come up with that assumption edgar that there is only one > reality.. > so what is it?... > you will have to define it...and it comes from your mind so it will be your > interpretation of reality... > are you the master of reality? > are you the game changer?.. > have you by chance read the seven story mountain by thomas merton? > > who is the master? > buddha, christ? > you need to give concrete examples > reality too is a mind game that often in the "wrong hands"..gets all wound > up and hit's folk right between the eyes when they least suspect > > some things are very very real and other things are unreal > > if there was only ONE reality > human life would be heaps heaps simpler..though saying that of course life > is simple..we humans make it far to complicated > > the question is how can we make life simpler.. > how can we live with a kind and loving heart? > gracious and filled with light? > in this world of chaos and confusion? > where is that reality? > i see..it's as plain as the nose on my face? > i knew a boy who was born without a nose..no kidding > so how does that figure in this "nose essay"? > merle > > > Mike, > > There is no "our reality". There is only one reality. You can't define > reality as YOU like. It is self defining... > > Edgar > > > > On Jul 8, 2013, at 8:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >>>> >>>> The point is that Bill's "just this" is something produced by complex >>>> sensory and cognitive processes. It does NOT correspond to raw reality as >>>> he would have us believe. It's the RESULT of a very complex sequence of >>>> processes. >>>> >>>> That's why Bill's just this is actually "just this ILLUSION mistaken for >>>> reality".... >>>> >>>> True you don't experience reality like this. Because you ARE NOT >>>> EXPERIENCING REALITY AT ALL! >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
