Bill, Thanks for denying my existence!
That's the height of delusion... The test of true knowledge is internal consistency across its entire scope. Your view leads to numerous inconsistencies... Edgar On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > Again you misinterpret what I say presumably to support your charge of > 'solipsism'. > > In the picture you paint below (2 people and one dog seeing a rabbit) you > have already imposed a dualistic/pluralistc POV. So it follows that as you > have suggested each of these delusive individuals may indeed have different > perceptions. > > In a monisitc POV there are not two separate people, a separate dog and a > separate rabbit. There is Just THIS! > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Merle, (and Bill) > > > > Of course reality changes all the time and people change reality, but it's > > always the real reality that is being changed not just some arbitrary > > imagined view of what reality is... > > > > Take two people standing side by side and a dog also. Each sees a rabbit > > but each sees it differently. Does that mean the rabbit is actually 3 > > different things? No. The rabbit is still the rabbit is the reality. It's > > just interpreted differently by the 3 observers. Each imposes his own > > interpretation of the rabbit on the actual real rabbit. > > > > So contrary to Bill's solipsism there is a real rabbit out there or the 3 > > observers wouldn't even be able to come up with their 3 different > > interpretations of it. > > > > The rabbit does not exist in Bill's mind as an illusion. It exists as a > > real rabbit out there in the world of forms.... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > really edgar..is that so > > > many a human has changed the course of reality by imposing their will on > > > others..e.g hitler, stalin... george w bush...etc... > > > so how can you come up with that assumption edgar that there is only one > > > reality.. > > > so what is it?... > > > you will have to define it...and it comes from your mind so it will be > > > your interpretation of reality... > > > are you the master of reality? > > > are you the game changer?.. > > > have you by chance read the seven story mountain by thomas merton? > > > > > > who is the master? > > > buddha, christ? > > > you need to give concrete examples > > > reality too is a mind game that often in the "wrong hands"..gets all > > > wound up and hit's folk right between the eyes when they least suspect > > > > > > some things are very very real and other things are unreal > > > > > > if there was only ONE reality > > > human life would be heaps heaps simpler..though saying that of course > > > life is simple..we humans make it far to complicated > > > > > > the question is how can we make life simpler.. > > > how can we live with a kind and loving heart? > > > gracious and filled with light? > > > in this world of chaos and confusion? > > > where is that reality? > > > i see..it's as plain as the nose on my face? > > > i knew a boy who was born without a nose..no kidding > > > so how does that figure in this "nose essay"? > > > merle > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > There is no "our reality". There is only one reality. You can't define > > > reality as YOU like. It is self defining... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2013, at 8:14 PM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > >>>> The point is that Bill's "just this" is something produced by complex > > >>>> sensory and cognitive processes. It does NOT correspond to raw reality > > >>>> as he would have us believe. It's the RESULT of a very complex > > >>>> sequence of processes. > > >>>> > > >>>> That's why Bill's just this is actually "just this ILLUSION mistaken > > >>>> for reality".... > > >>>> > > >>>> True you don't experience reality like this. Because you ARE NOT > > >>>> EXPERIENCING REALITY AT ALL! > > >>>> > > >>>> Edgar > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
