Edgar, Again you misinterpret what I say presumably to support your charge of 'solipsism'.
In the picture you paint below (2 people and one dog seeing a rabbit) you have already imposed a dualistic/pluralistc POV. So it follows that as you have suggested each of these delusive individuals may indeed have different perceptions. In a monisitc POV there are not two separate people, a separate dog and a separate rabbit. There is Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Merle, (and Bill) > > Of course reality changes all the time and people change reality, but it's > always the real reality that is being changed not just some arbitrary > imagined view of what reality is... > > Take two people standing side by side and a dog also. Each sees a rabbit but > each sees it differently. Does that mean the rabbit is actually 3 different > things? No. The rabbit is still the rabbit is the reality. It's just > interpreted differently by the 3 observers. Each imposes his own > interpretation of the rabbit on the actual real rabbit. > > So contrary to Bill's solipsism there is a real rabbit out there or the 3 > observers wouldn't even be able to come up with their 3 different > interpretations of it. > > The rabbit does not exist in Bill's mind as an illusion. It exists as a real > rabbit out there in the world of forms.... > > Edgar > > > > On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > really edgar..is that so > > many a human has changed the course of reality by imposing their will on > > others..e.g hitler, stalin... george w bush...etc... > > so how can you come up with that assumption edgar that there is only one > > reality.. > > so what is it?... > > you will have to define it...and it comes from your mind so it will be your > > interpretation of reality... > > are you the master of reality? > > are you the game changer?.. > > have you by chance read the seven story mountain by thomas merton? > > > > who is the master? > > buddha, christ? > > you need to give concrete examples > > reality too is a mind game that often in the "wrong hands"..gets all wound > > up and hit's folk right between the eyes when they least suspect > > > > some things are very very real and other things are unreal > > > > if there was only ONE reality > > human life would be heaps heaps simpler..though saying that of course life > > is simple..we humans make it far to complicated > > > > the question is how can we make life simpler.. > > how can we live with a kind and loving heart? > > gracious and filled with light? > > in this world of chaos and confusion? > > where is that reality? > > i see..it's as plain as the nose on my face? > > i knew a boy who was born without a nose..no kidding > > so how does that figure in this "nose essay"? > > merle > > > > > > Mike, > > > > There is no "our reality". There is only one reality. You can't define > > reality as YOU like. It is self defining... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2013, at 8:14 PM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > >> > >>>> > >>>> The point is that Bill's "just this" is something produced by complex > >>>> sensory and cognitive processes. It does NOT correspond to raw reality > >>>> as he would have us believe. It's the RESULT of a very complex sequence > >>>> of processes. > >>>> > >>>> That's why Bill's just this is actually "just this ILLUSION mistaken for > >>>> reality".... > >>>> > >>>> True you don't experience reality like this. Because you ARE NOT > >>>> EXPERIENCING REALITY AT ALL! > >>>> > >>>> Edgar > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
