Well, the phrase would be "like a Sophocles selling chips and coke"-- so there would be no inference that Sophocles actually did that.
"like a Sophocles, selling chips and coke" with the comma, would indicate that Sophocles actually sold chips and coke. So now we have proof that commas make a difference! Cheers V On 11/30/05, ronnie banerjee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks Vivek. > "like Sophocles" could end up meaning that Sophocles indeed sold coke and > chips. Besides being anachronistic, it would add a new twist to the idea of > a Greek tragedy. > Comparing a a group with something singular is clumsy per se i guess but i > cannot help it. Show me a way out. The poem below (thanks to ur very welcome > suggestions) is redone. Comments?? > > Commercial Speech > > > >Billboard poets > >with their words for sale > >like a Sophocles > >selling chips and coke; > > > >A successful poem > >is one that can sell > >We now have Art > >for Ad's sake as well! > > > >The title of our poem > >is just a label > >on an expensive > >pair of shoes. > > > > Ron (07-11-1995) > > > Vivek Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like this poem, it swings. I would make it "like Sophocles" to > better match up the plurality of poets and the singularity of > Sophocles. Shouldn't it be "Ads" (line 3, stanza 2) and "for Ads' > sake as well"? > > "with commerce in their words" is a bit awkward, perhaps the thought > should be articulated a little more clearly. Are you saying that the > commerce is embedded in the very words themselves? That's cynical; > aren't the words embedded in the commerce? > > Publishing is only about helping things come into view. The real > validation of a poem is only if people are moved enough to pass it on > to others or, further, to try and memorize it for themselves. The > lasting virtue of poetry today is that it doesn't make money. Being > at the margins of capitalism gives it a freedom that other forms don't > necessarily have. > > V. > > > Commercial Speech > > > > Billboard poets > > with commerce in their words > > A Sophocles > > selling chips and coke; > > > > A successful poem > > is one that can sell > > We now have Ad > > for Ad's sake well! > > > > The title of our poem > > is just a label > > on an expensive > > pair of shoes. > > > > Ron (07-11-1995) > > > > ymursawsib wrote: > > Publishing is also about interaction; humans being social animals > > need to share their thoughts, experiences etc. with each other. > > > > Poetry can be immensely profitable, but that poetry is not > > necessarily high brow. I am talking about the greeting card market. > > Who do you think writes all those mushy/funny/ gyani/provocative > > rhymed and sometimes unrhymed verses? These people are the > > copywriters of the poetry world, they don't get by-lines but they > > get paid. > > > > > > Here is a birthday poem by me. I wrote it on the birth of a friend's > > baby boy, got a print out, pasted it on a card and gave it to her. I > > didn't earn money, just my friend's appreciation, which meant a lot > > to me. :-)Rumjhum > > > > ON THE COMING OF A BABY > > > > > > In a vast celestial kitchen > > Beyond our grasp and far away > > The Maker pondered over his staff > > While in his hand lay, a bit of clay > > > > Stardust of dreams, the bluebird's song > > A cherub's sweet dimpled laugh > > A pinch of mischief, wisdom's nectar > > And more, He stirred in with his staff > > > > Then gently He set the mould > > With infinite care He poured > > And softly blew in the breath > > Of life. Meanwhile love's fire roared… > > > > Down below in a mother's heart > > A father's and a sister's too > > The Maker he saw it all and smiled > > For they were your own, He knew! > > > > Yes you __(baby's name)________, you!! Made in the image > > Of that butter thieving bundle of joy! > > Marvelous indeed are the ways of The Maker who > > Brought forth from the weft of a dream, you dear boy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Publishing, as a concept, is not just about eliminating > > anonymity from ur creativity but has a substantial commercial > > content too. And i daresay poetry as a commercial venture is not the > > best of profit making industry. Devoid of profit - publishing loses > > its meaning. Therefore, poetry is essentially a non-commercial > > creative venture - a bit like theatre or documentary film making - > > or perhaps like free porn sites all of us search for (just joking!). > > > > > > All poets end up writing at least one birthday poem. 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