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Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Chris McDonough wrote:
>> I don't think "the ZTK" as defined by the historical constraints under 
>> discussion here has much attraction for a large number of folks who are 
>> otherwise willing to put effort into maintaining Zope packages.
>> For these folks, any reduction in number of dependencies and test 
>> maintenance 
>> is a net win, because they just don't use the stuff they throw out, and they 
>> don't have any Grok or legacy Zope3 apps in production to maintain that uses 
>> this stuff either.
>> So maybe these folks should come up with their own "KGS" for whatever they 
>> need 
>> as a subset of "the ZTK".  In particular, maybe Zope2 should just be based 
>> on 
>> this subset.
> I think the ZTK should be a smaller thing, but we need to find what that 
> smaller thing is first. I agree with the general idea underlying this 
> move, just not the way it was done, disclaiming responsibility.
> I'm quite sure that most of the zope.app.* packages that were dropped 
> are just not very useful anymore. But we should drop them responsibly.

The maintainer who dropped them also went to a great deal of trouble to
ensure that the dependencies were fixed, and that what remains is a
coherent and usable set of the packages which used to be Zope3.  Because
of his work, and that of others, the Zope2 trunk can now run against the
zope.app-free ZTK he created.

You need to identify whose ox is being gored here by dropping those
packages:  I don't see anybody but you arguing for their inclusion.  In
particular, I don't see anybody who knows *which* zope.app packages they
need, and has a credible argument for why those pacakges should be
maintained within the ZTK, rather than by the folks who actually use them.

If the ZTK is to be held hostage to a (nonsensical) BBB for nameless
users, I would be in favor of just copying Hanno's version of the ZTK
config into the Zope2 tree and have Zope2 ignore the ZTK per-se.

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