Hey, Tres Seaver wrote: [snip] > You need to identify whose ox is being gored here by dropping those > packages: I don't see anybody but you arguing for their inclusion. In > particular, I don't see anybody who knows *which* zope.app packages they > need, and has a credible argument for why those pacakges should be > maintained within the ZTK, rather than by the folks who actually use them.
That's indeed one of the problems. Fact 1: We have users that use zope.app packages. Fact 2: We suspect many of those uses are shallow and can be shifted over to non zope.app packages. Fact 3: We don't have good maintainers for most zope.app packages. Goal 1: We don't want to maintain most zope.app packages. Goal 2: We want users to use the ZTK instead of the Zope 3.4 KGS. Goal 3: We as a community have a certain ethic of supplying backwards compatibility. Fact 4: A user can more easily shift a codebase to the ZTK if we make it easy for them with a KGS. Fact 5: A ZTK-based KGS that is a smooth upgrade from the Zope 3.4 KGS helps such users to create a working environment based on the ZTK. Goal 4: We don't want to create a large discontinuity for people using existing Zope 3 applications, Grok applications or Zope 2 applications. Goal 5: We want to maintain a KGS that helps people upgrade. Goal 6: We want to maintain such a KGS collectively if we can. Fact 6: We were maintaining such a KGS within the ZTK. Goal 7: We need a way to stop maintaining such a KGS within the ZTK. Goal 8: We need a way to stop maintaining such a zopeapp KGS altogether (unless individuals step up that want to do so) The following step was taken to accomplish goal 7 and 8. Action 1: we removed the packages we don't want to maintain from the ZTK. That accomplished goal 7 and 8, but conflicts with goal 6, 5, 3 and 2. Action 2: we move the packages we don't want to maintain from the ZTK into zopeapp. .. fulfills goal 7, and doesn't conflict with goal 6, 5, 3 and 2. It doesn't fulfill goal 8 yet, but it will help us, as a community get there, by isolating the problem. Regards, Martijn _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
