On May 3, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Fred Drake wrote:
On 5/3/07, Christian Theune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Right. However, my suspicion would be that whoever makes a change
to the
trunk on a satellite shouldn't have to go to the Zope 3 trunk.
That's true regardless of how the Zope 3 checkout references the
satellite project's code.
Also, maintainers of the Zope 3 tree shouldn't have to read every
commit
message to update the reference (doing so would be pointless, that
what
not pinning the external is for).
That's fine too. The maintainers of the Zope 3 tree simply need to
decide how the externals in the tree need to be made. As I said, I
don't care which they choose.
My advice to the maintainers of the Zope 3 tree is to:
1. in the long term, stop maintaining the tree and switch to a meta
project as Tres suggested. :)
2. depend on fixed versions, either by egg dependency or externals
with tags or revisions.
To update to newer versions, they don't need to follow each project's
commits. They could just periodically update to the newest version
and test. A variation on this is to update to newest versions
periodically and, for things that change, scan the changes. I expect
that, over time, most projects will change very infrequently.
Also, I would hope that when individual project releases are made,
that the releasers will do a reasonable job of updating change logs.
This should give consumers a high-level summary of changes that are
easier to consume than individual.
When moving to a release of Zope 3 we should update those
externals to
specific revisions or tags though. (Tags being preferred IMHO as
we only
want software of at least the same degree of stability, right?)
That sounds like Zope 3 maintainers want to make decisions about the
release cycles of the satellite projects. That's bad.
Saying that Zope 3 as a whole is "stable" (whether that's by making a
release with an X.Y number or anything else) is about the state of the
Zope 3 tree at that point; part of that is an assertion about anything
that's included by an external or by a requirement that it's stable as
used from Zope 3. It has nothing to do with the release cycle of the
independent projects, and should not force a numbering change. It's
fine if a new tag is generated, but tags in satellite projects that
aren't for that project's release cycle should include the name of the
project whose cycle is involved. For example, if there's no
zope.index release corresponding to the Zope 3.4b2 release, it's fine
to create a Zope-3.4b2 tag of the zope.index project.
Well said.
Jim
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