Find me a vanilla server that remains populated without the help of Quickplay. They don't exist.
Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Gordon Reynolds < thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > So if you've had a server for a few years and you still get 47% quickplay > traffic doesn't that tell you that you're running a server that might be > twice as large as it needs to be? I mean if you pulled regulars from > quickplay players wouldn't that number slowly drop (during peak), because > of all your regulars? > > Or do quickplayer honestly, literally, -not care what server they are on-, > and will never add your server to favorites as is? > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> > wrote: > > > The cvar was actually added at the request of myself and several others. > > > > I took the liberty to make a chart showing exactly what percent of my > > players come from Quickplay. The result was disappointingly high: > > http://i.imgur.com/91xNnU1.png > > > > I don't expect any more than 20% of Quickplay users to uncheck the > > "Official servers only" box. That means that I have lost around 40% of my > > traffic. My community is relatively popular, too. Smaller communities or > > communities that are just starting up will lose a lot more traffic than I > > will. > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > It's quite obvious really. Valve only makes features to benefit > > themselves > > > or players, and cl_connectmethod was at face value did not do either > one. > > > > > > They don't care about server owners having this knowledge unless it > > > benefits them and didn't even bother to protect the convar from > spoofing > > by > > > a using 1 convar flag. > > > > > > Its main purpose was to stop server owners from complaining about all > the > > > restrictions placed on quickplay on the flawed assumption that > quickplay > > is > > > a tiny and unimportant part of your player base. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > While I agree with what you are saying, what does cl_connectmethod > have > > > to > > > > do with any of this? > > > > On Jan 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert Paulson" <thepauls...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > First they came for the custom attachments, and I did not speak > out. > > > > > Because I did not use it. > > > > > Then they came for fast respawn, and I did not speak out. Because I > > did > > > > not > > > > > use it. > > > > > Then they came for increased slots, and I did not speak out. > Because > > I > > > > did > > > > > not use it. > > > > > Then they came for the MOTD, and I did not speak out. Because it > > would > > > > hurt > > > > > others more than me. > > > > > Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > > > > > > > This is a repeat of the "Custom Tabs" fiasco. Except Valve probably > > > won't > > > > > remove it this time because they can wave the evidence that a > > minority > > > of > > > > > players use quickplay, despite the fact that quickplay has a > monopoly > > > on > > > > > new players and without them your server is dead. Your current > > players > > > > > won't play TF2 forever. > > > > > > > > > > I saw this coming a mile away when Valve released the > > cl_connectmethod > > > > > convar. As I have said time and time again, Valve has obligations > to > > > > server > > > > > owners as well as players. We, or at least I, bought TF2 expecting > > not > > > > to > > > > > have our hosting abilities crippled so much. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Doctor McKay < > mc...@doctormckay.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a "Valve servers only" checkbox (that's checked by > default) > > is > > > > > going > > > > > > to hurt enough (and only those communities that are playing by > the > > > > rules; > > > > > > cheating communities will just steal *more* traffic from the > > > legitimate > > > > > > communities). > > > > > > > > > > > > It's now all but impossible to try to retain a client who joined > > via > > > > > > Quickplay (and those are the clients we *need* to retain). We > can't > > > > show > > > > > > them our website. We can't even allow them to use a menu to jump > to > > > > > another > > > > > > one of our servers anymore. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please think about what you're doing. If your intention is to > harm > > > the > > > > > good > > > > > > communities, you're doing a fine job at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > > > > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > > > > please visit: > > > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
