No I mean you, as the big dogs, are part of the problem and should scale back your networks if you're concerned about the little guy.
On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > So newcomers need to face the "big dogs" with hundreds of servers with > their one server? > > > Dr. McKay > www.doctormckay.com > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> An easy solution to allow newcomers to get more traffic would be to >> reduce the number of servers you run. That way quickplay traffic is >> distributed more evenly rather than "who bought the most rack space?" >> >> On 1/24/14, Valentin G. <nextra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Then explain how should people remedy this situation? >> > >> > Not every community can retroactively join the master race and >> > suddenly be around for 6 years and have a great playerbase out of thin >> > air. Yes, there are servers that currently rely on quickplay. So what >> > if 50% is QP traffic. That's still 50% of players that are returning. >> > In order to increase that percentage of returning players we still >> > *need* to have the other 50%. If people don't even come to your server >> > in the first place (by being in the 50% QP population) there is not >> > even the *chance* of them staying around. >> > >> > This is the model when you use QP. Use the system, deliver an >> > experience that continuously moves the split towards a healthy, >> > returning player base. Of course it would be great if players still >> > went around the server browser and naturally found out about new >> > servers and stayed there. Since that doesn't happen anymore, newer >> > communities have to rely on quickplay. That's simply how it works. >> > It's really great for all the people here that have a long history in >> > their community and a stable and returning playerbase already. Not >> > everyone can enjoy that, and you are trying to prevent them from even >> > having the ability to achieve that. >> > >> > I really hope one day people get that into their thick heads. There >> > are start-ups that haven't been around since the TF2 beta. They *can >> > not* have as healthy of a playerbase as you already have. Don't talk >> > them down because of that, and even applaud Valve when every chance of >> > building up their community is ripped from their hands. >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Gordon Reynolds >> > <thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Maybe there is a point to take from this. >> >> >> >> Maybe the kind of people who played TF2 pre-F2P era, aren't the same >> >> people >> >> who want to play TF2 now? >> >> >> >> Demographics change, if you think the same type of people pick up TF2 >> >> today >> >> as the ones who paid money to pick it up pre-F2P, you might be in for >> >> a >> >> bit >> >> of a shock. Or not, look at your numbers, 50% of your population is >> >> just >> >> there because that's where they ended up, they didn't choose to be on >> >> your >> >> server. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Find me a vanilla server that remains populated without the help of >> >>> Quickplay. They don't exist. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Dr. McKay >> >>> www.doctormckay.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Gordon Reynolds < >> >>> thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > So if you've had a server for a few years and you still get 47% >> >>> > quickplay >> >>> > traffic doesn't that tell you that you're running a server that >> >>> > might >> >>> > be >> >>> > twice as large as it needs to be? I mean if you pulled regulars >> >>> > from >> >>> > quickplay players wouldn't that number slowly drop (during peak), >> >>> > because >> >>> > of all your regulars? >> >>> > >> >>> > Or do quickplayer honestly, literally, -not care what server they >> >>> > are >> >>> on-, >> >>> > and will never add your server to favorites as is? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Doctor McKay >> >>> > <mc...@doctormckay.com >> > >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > > The cvar was actually added at the request of myself and several >> >>> others. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I took the liberty to make a chart showing exactly what percent >> >>> > > of >> >>> > > my >> >>> > > players come from Quickplay. The result was disappointingly high: >> >>> > > http://i.imgur.com/91xNnU1.png >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I don't expect any more than 20% of Quickplay users to uncheck >> >>> > > the >> >>> > > "Official servers only" box. That means that I have lost around >> >>> > > 40% >> >>> > > of >> >>> my >> >>> > > traffic. My community is relatively popular, too. Smaller >> >>> > > communities >> >>> or >> >>> > > communities that are just starting up will lose a lot more >> >>> > > traffic >> >>> than I >> >>> > > will. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Dr. McKay >> >>> > > www.doctormckay.com >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Robert Paulson < >> >>> thepauls...@gmail.com >> >>> > > >wrote: >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > It's quite obvious really. Valve only makes features to benefit >> >>> > > themselves >> >>> > > > or players, and cl_connectmethod was at face value did not do >> >>> > > > either >> >>> > one. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > They don't care about server owners having this knowledge >> >>> > > > unless >> >>> > > > it >> >>> > > > benefits them and didn't even bother to protect the convar from >> >>> > spoofing >> >>> > > by >> >>> > > > a using 1 convar flag. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Its main purpose was to stop server owners from complaining >> >>> > > > about >> >>> > > > all >> >>> > the >> >>> > > > restrictions placed on quickplay on the flawed assumption that >> >>> > quickplay >> >>> > > is >> >>> > > > a tiny and unimportant part of your player base. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Doctor McKay >> >>> > > > <mc...@doctormckay.com >> >>> > >> >>> > > > wrote: >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > While I agree with what you are saying, what does >> >>> > > > > cl_connectmethod >> >>> > have >> >>> > > > to >> >>> > > > > do with any of this? >> >>> > > > > On Jan 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert Paulson" >> >>> > > > > <thepauls...@gmail.com> >> >>> > > wrote: >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > First they came for the custom attachments, and I did not >> >>> > > > > > speak >> >>> > out. >> >>> > > > > > Because I did not use it. >> >>> > > > > > Then they came for fast respawn, and I did not speak out. >> >>> Because I >> >>> > > did >> >>> > > > > not >> >>> > > > > > use it. >> >>> > > > > > Then they came for increased slots, and I did not speak >> >>> > > > > > out. >> >>> > Because >> >>> > > I >> >>> > > > > did >> >>> > > > > > not use it. >> >>> > > > > > Then they came for the MOTD, and I did not speak out. >> >>> > > > > > Because >> >>> > > > > > it >> >>> > > would >> >>> > > > > hurt >> >>> > > > > > others more than me. >> >>> > > > > > Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak >> >>> > > > > > for >> >>> > > > > > me. >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > This is a repeat of the "Custom Tabs" fiasco. Except Valve >> >>> probably >> >>> > > > won't >> >>> > > > > > remove it this time because they can wave the evidence that >> >>> > > > > > a >> >>> > > minority >> >>> > > > of >> >>> > > > > > players use quickplay, despite the fact that quickplay has >> >>> > > > > > a >> >>> > monopoly >> >>> > > > on >> >>> > > > > > new players and without them your server is dead. Your >> current >> >>> > > players >> >>> > > > > > won't play TF2 forever. >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > I saw this coming a mile away when Valve released the >> >>> > > cl_connectmethod >> >>> > > > > > convar. As I have said time and time again, Valve has >> >>> > > > > > obligations >> >>> > to >> >>> > > > > server >> >>> > > > > > owners as well as players. We, or at least I, bought TF2 >> >>> expecting >> >>> > > not >> >>> > > > > to >> >>> > > > > > have our hosting abilities crippled so much. >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Doctor McKay < >> >>> > mc...@doctormckay.com >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > wrote: >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Why? >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Adding a "Valve servers only" checkbox (that's checked by >> >>> > default) >> >>> > > is >> >>> > > > > > going >> >>> > > > > > > to hurt enough (and only those communities that are >> >>> > > > > > > playing >> >>> > > > > > > by >> >>> > the >> >>> > > > > rules; >> >>> > > > > > > cheating communities will just steal *more* traffic from >> the >> >>> > > > legitimate >> >>> > > > > > > communities). >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > It's now all but impossible to try to retain a client who >> >>> joined >> >>> > > via >> >>> > > > > > > Quickplay (and those are the clients we *need* to >> >>> > > > > > > retain). >> >>> > > > > > > We >> >>> > can't >> >>> > > > > show >> >>> > > > > > > them our website. We can't even allow them to use a menu >> >>> > > > > > > to >> >>> jump >> >>> > to >> >>> > > > > > another >> >>> > > > > > > one of our servers anymore. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Please think about what you're doing. If your intention >> >>> > > > > > > is >> >>> > > > > > > to >> >>> > harm >> >>> > > > the >> >>> > > > > > good >> >>> > > > > > > communities, you're doing a fine job at it. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Dr. McKay >> >>> > > > > > > www.doctormckay.com >> >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list >> >>> > > > archives, >> >>> > > > > > > please visit: >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> >>> > > > > > list >> >>> > > archives, >> >>> > > > > > please visit: >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>> > archives, >> >>> > > > > please visit: >> >>> > > > > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>> archives, >> >>> > > > please visit: >> >>> > > > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>> > > archives, >> >>> > > please visit: >> >>> > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> > > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> >>> > please visit: >> >>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>> archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
