So newcomers need to face the "big dogs" with hundreds of servers with their one server?
Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> wrote: > An easy solution to allow newcomers to get more traffic would be to > reduce the number of servers you run. That way quickplay traffic is > distributed more evenly rather than "who bought the most rack space?" > > On 1/24/14, Valentin G. <nextra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Then explain how should people remedy this situation? > > > > Not every community can retroactively join the master race and > > suddenly be around for 6 years and have a great playerbase out of thin > > air. Yes, there are servers that currently rely on quickplay. So what > > if 50% is QP traffic. That's still 50% of players that are returning. > > In order to increase that percentage of returning players we still > > *need* to have the other 50%. If people don't even come to your server > > in the first place (by being in the 50% QP population) there is not > > even the *chance* of them staying around. > > > > This is the model when you use QP. Use the system, deliver an > > experience that continuously moves the split towards a healthy, > > returning player base. Of course it would be great if players still > > went around the server browser and naturally found out about new > > servers and stayed there. Since that doesn't happen anymore, newer > > communities have to rely on quickplay. That's simply how it works. > > It's really great for all the people here that have a long history in > > their community and a stable and returning playerbase already. Not > > everyone can enjoy that, and you are trying to prevent them from even > > having the ability to achieve that. > > > > I really hope one day people get that into their thick heads. There > > are start-ups that haven't been around since the TF2 beta. They *can > > not* have as healthy of a playerbase as you already have. Don't talk > > them down because of that, and even applaud Valve when every chance of > > building up their community is ripped from their hands. > > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Gordon Reynolds > > <thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Maybe there is a point to take from this. > >> > >> Maybe the kind of people who played TF2 pre-F2P era, aren't the same > >> people > >> who want to play TF2 now? > >> > >> Demographics change, if you think the same type of people pick up TF2 > >> today > >> as the ones who paid money to pick it up pre-F2P, you might be in for a > >> bit > >> of a shock. Or not, look at your numbers, 50% of your population is just > >> there because that's where they ended up, they didn't choose to be on > >> your > >> server. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Find me a vanilla server that remains populated without the help of > >>> Quickplay. They don't exist. > >>> > >>> > >>> Dr. McKay > >>> www.doctormckay.com > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Gordon Reynolds < > >>> thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > So if you've had a server for a few years and you still get 47% > >>> > quickplay > >>> > traffic doesn't that tell you that you're running a server that might > >>> > be > >>> > twice as large as it needs to be? I mean if you pulled regulars from > >>> > quickplay players wouldn't that number slowly drop (during peak), > >>> > because > >>> > of all your regulars? > >>> > > >>> > Or do quickplayer honestly, literally, -not care what server they are > >>> on-, > >>> > and will never add your server to favorites as is? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com > > > >>> > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > The cvar was actually added at the request of myself and several > >>> others. > >>> > > > >>> > > I took the liberty to make a chart showing exactly what percent of > >>> > > my > >>> > > players come from Quickplay. The result was disappointingly high: > >>> > > http://i.imgur.com/91xNnU1.png > >>> > > > >>> > > I don't expect any more than 20% of Quickplay users to uncheck the > >>> > > "Official servers only" box. That means that I have lost around 40% > >>> > > of > >>> my > >>> > > traffic. My community is relatively popular, too. Smaller > >>> > > communities > >>> or > >>> > > communities that are just starting up will lose a lot more traffic > >>> than I > >>> > > will. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dr. McKay > >>> > > www.doctormckay.com > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Robert Paulson < > >>> thepauls...@gmail.com > >>> > > >wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > It's quite obvious really. Valve only makes features to benefit > >>> > > themselves > >>> > > > or players, and cl_connectmethod was at face value did not do > >>> > > > either > >>> > one. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > They don't care about server owners having this knowledge unless > >>> > > > it > >>> > > > benefits them and didn't even bother to protect the convar from > >>> > spoofing > >>> > > by > >>> > > > a using 1 convar flag. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Its main purpose was to stop server owners from complaining about > >>> > > > all > >>> > the > >>> > > > restrictions placed on quickplay on the flawed assumption that > >>> > quickplay > >>> > > is > >>> > > > a tiny and unimportant part of your player base. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Doctor McKay > >>> > > > <mc...@doctormckay.com > >>> > > >>> > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > While I agree with what you are saying, what does > >>> > > > > cl_connectmethod > >>> > have > >>> > > > to > >>> > > > > do with any of this? > >>> > > > > On Jan 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert Paulson" > >>> > > > > <thepauls...@gmail.com> > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > First they came for the custom attachments, and I did not > >>> > > > > > speak > >>> > out. > >>> > > > > > Because I did not use it. > >>> > > > > > Then they came for fast respawn, and I did not speak out. > >>> Because I > >>> > > did > >>> > > > > not > >>> > > > > > use it. > >>> > > > > > Then they came for increased slots, and I did not speak out. > >>> > Because > >>> > > I > >>> > > > > did > >>> > > > > > not use it. > >>> > > > > > Then they came for the MOTD, and I did not speak out. Because > >>> > > > > > it > >>> > > would > >>> > > > > hurt > >>> > > > > > others more than me. > >>> > > > > > Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for > >>> > > > > > me. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is a repeat of the "Custom Tabs" fiasco. Except Valve > >>> probably > >>> > > > won't > >>> > > > > > remove it this time because they can wave the evidence that a > >>> > > minority > >>> > > > of > >>> > > > > > players use quickplay, despite the fact that quickplay has a > >>> > monopoly > >>> > > > on > >>> > > > > > new players and without them your server is dead. Your > current > >>> > > players > >>> > > > > > won't play TF2 forever. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > I saw this coming a mile away when Valve released the > >>> > > cl_connectmethod > >>> > > > > > convar. As I have said time and time again, Valve has > >>> > > > > > obligations > >>> > to > >>> > > > > server > >>> > > > > > owners as well as players. We, or at least I, bought TF2 > >>> expecting > >>> > > not > >>> > > > > to > >>> > > > > > have our hosting abilities crippled so much. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Doctor McKay < > >>> > mc...@doctormckay.com > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Why? > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Adding a "Valve servers only" checkbox (that's checked by > >>> > default) > >>> > > is > >>> > > > > > going > >>> > > > > > > to hurt enough (and only those communities that are playing > >>> > > > > > > by > >>> > the > >>> > > > > rules; > >>> > > > > > > cheating communities will just steal *more* traffic from > the > >>> > > > legitimate > >>> > > > > > > communities). > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > It's now all but impossible to try to retain a client who > >>> joined > >>> > > via > >>> > > > > > > Quickplay (and those are the clients we *need* to retain). > >>> > > > > > > We > >>> > can't > >>> > > > > show > >>> > > > > > > them our website. We can't even allow them to use a menu to > >>> jump > >>> > to > >>> > > > > > another > >>> > > > > > > one of our servers anymore. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Please think about what you're doing. If your intention is > >>> > > > > > > to > >>> > harm > >>> > > > the > >>> > > > > > good > >>> > > > > > > communities, you're doing a fine job at it. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Dr. McKay > >>> > > > > > > www.doctormckay.com > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list > >>> > > > archives, > >>> > > > > > > please visit: > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> > > archives, > >>> > > > > > please visit: > >>> > > > > > > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> > archives, > >>> > > > > please visit: > >>> > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >>> > > > please visit: > >>> > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> > > archives, > >>> > > please visit: > >>> > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>> > please visit: > >>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
