Can you define what you mean by sounding "neither renaissance or baroque"?
This seems to me to open up a host of additional questions like how do we
know what either actually sounded like? I don't want to seem argumentative
in any way but what you are saying here is that there are three sounds at
work: Renaissance, Baroque and Neither one. I am totally confused. When
one considers that we can only speculate on the real nature of the
instruments, strings and have questions about technique, how can we be sure
what we do and what we here is authentic? The only guideline I can remember
is from Dowland in Varietie of Lute Lessons where in it was said to play
sweetly? You certainly fill that niche, playing sweetly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Tayler" <vidan...@sbcglobal.net>
To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke
It is very similar to a rest stroke, and yet very different.
When using the two fingered graze, the fingers can either rest or
brush against each other.
Also, you can create the motion of the stroke without the ending,
which can produce the same or similar sound--after the finger has
left the string the sound is not affected.
To my ear, most rest strokes sound neither renaissance nor baroque,
and so I think the main thing to avoid is modern articulation. Of
course that is subjective.
dt
At 05:32 PM 1/18/2010, you wrote:
I don't see how that would be possible, there is nothing to rest
against except the inside of the hand?
----- Original Message ----- From: <terli...@aol.com>
To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke
Do any early sources describe something that could be interpreted
as a "rest stroke" being used on the chanterelle?
-----Original Message-----
From: David R <d_lu...@comcast.net>
To: nedma...@aol.com
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke
I think it came into use with the Venetian lutenists from 1500 or
so. Obviously you can't use rest strokes when you're playing
thumb-index diminutions, and you don't want to be damping the
string directly below your thumb if it's supposed to be sounding,
but as a general rule I think that wherever possible rest-stroke
was the default way to strike a bass string with your thumb right
from the beginning.
Nobody knows what Dowland did. Is it so important?
DR
On Jan 18, 2010, at 4:31 PM, nedma...@aol.com wrote:
I'm curious as to when it is thought the rest stroke for the >
thumb came
into common use. Was it commonly used on the Renaissance lute? >
Do we
think Dowland used it early, or late, or at all in his career?
Thanks,
Ned
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