Hi Michelle, one question, when you did supra pubic did you use a Foley 
catheter? you would have had to? Please let me know thanks!

> On 12/11/2023 9:52 PM EST Michelle Harkness <hotwheelsmiche...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hey Shirley!  I've been on this page forever and learned lots from y'all, but 
> I tend to keep kinda quiet.  Not sure what your situation is exactly, but 
> I've been a C5-6 quad for 30 years and I had always done intermittent 
> cathing, relying on someone else for help with it.  In February of this year, 
> I finally took the plunge and got a Mitrofinoff with bladder augmentation. I 
> had tried a suprapubic for about 6 months, but hated it and the multiple 
> never ending infections it caused, so I started looking more into the 
> Mitrofinoff then.  I can now do my own cathing almost all of the time, 
> through a stoma in my belly button that I use a male 16" catheter for.  The 
> bladder augmentation helped wonders, and I was pretty unfamiliar with what 
> that was, or what wonders it could do when I received it.  It helps absorb 
> the bladder spasms, gives you more capacity and my doc said it helps lessen 
> infections somehow (still trying to figure that out).  The only draw back is 
> they use your bowel for the augmentation, which in turn causes lots of 
> goobers in your urine (doc says the bowel still does what its supposed to 
> do).  But it's super nice to not have to lay down 4 times a day to use the 
> restroom, and basically pee wherever I want to!  
>  
> Have an amazing day!
>  
> Michelle
> 
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 3:58 PM wheelch...@aol.com mailto:wheelch...@aol.com 
> <wheelch...@aol.com mailto:wheelch...@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> >  
> > Thanks for the update.  The bladder, over time, for those with indwelling 
> > caths, will/can shrink to the size of a walnut, compared to what it used to 
> > be.  When you consider the size of the cath, plus the balloon, inside a 
> > walnut.  there is not much room for urine to collect and it may pass 
> > quicker.
> > Best Wishes.
> >  
> > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 02:34:15 PM CST, SHIRLEY BELL 
> > <sbell...@cox.net mailto:sbell...@cox.net> wrote:
> >  
> >  
> > Hi all, well I had my cystoscopy and all he found was a shrunken bladder. 
> > That is what is causing spasms on and off and rejecting catheters on and 
> > off. Not lasting as long. They are going to change my meds to see if that 
> > helps. Botox is an option as well. 47 years of indwelling catheter use has 
> > taken a toll. Not much they can do but I am looking into it. There is an 
> > external catheter option called a pur wick for women of course but I have 
> > doubts about it. I am trying not to worry but geez, not great. A suprapubic 
> > may be an option, not a cure but may be easier for me and my caretakers to 
> > deal with this.  Hope you all doing ok, quad life is an ongoing challenge 
> > for sure. Have a great holiday season.Shirley If you want to see how I make 
> > my living check out my Etsy shop here. 
> > https://www.etsy.com/shop/ShirleyBell?ref=seller-platform-mcnav
> > 
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