Re: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty- Update
Yesss.my holistic vet does both and some other things. Wish you were near Louisville KY. On Jul 4, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Natalie wrote: Or acupuncture! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty- Update Consider talking to a holistic vet re the legs. On Jul 4, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: Great news Sally. Will continue to send loving healing thoughts your way. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:15:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty- Update Thanks everyone prayers are working. Most likely scenario is Ittle Bitty threw a clot and it went to his brain causing the stroke. He is very lucky to have survived. He continues to inprove and is even using his back legs some. Thanks Sally On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: I have not stopped praying for him. I know you are doing the best you can for him! Take Care! Lynda - Original Message - From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty- Update I have to go to work now. He is doing better now went back to vet think end.. butall the sudden he had better movement so got fluids , AD and app stimulant. I will up date tmrrow I work 3-12am. Keep the prayers going Thanks Sallt __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felin eleukemia.org __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie P-SPOT SOLVED
Mine recommends Pepcid when my little guys spit up too much. On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Paola Thanks for that information. But I think I've finally solved the mystery of the Pee Spot! Lucky frequently spits up. He'll be fine for days, then have a bout of spitting up almost clear liquid, 3 or 4 times a day. I mentioned to the vet he spits up and the vet seemed unconcerned, saying cats are very susceptible to gastric upset. I now think the spots on the bed were not pee, but spit up. I'm not sure if this is a serious issue; I'll mention it to the vet again. But having him spit up rather than pee is a little easier for me psychologically, at least! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com To: leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as there'd be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the body of toxins so it doesn't smell. I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps. From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas
pennyroyal and lavender also On Oct 14, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Beth wrote: Stay away from tea tree oil. It is toxic to cats I've seen it in Natural remedies for cats - scary! Natural isn't always better. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
Check amazon and http://www.omahavaccine.com/first_time_customer.asp for better prices. On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: I called the vet and picked up a tube of this gel today. It is expensive (over $21 a tube!) but he ate it tonight with no negative reaction. So that's done! - Original Message - From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L- lysineHCI in a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would work better? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes! So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 250 mg)? Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas? Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas
Be careful with some of the natural products and cats. It is one thing for them to be safe with dogs On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Stacy Zacher wrote: Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and confirm if he does have fleas or not. He eats from only stainless steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump under his chin. So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar oil (combinations of these). I will ask the vet about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas. Hope to be flea free, Stacy and Spanky Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All kinds of natural products. www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to spray around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can use the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas. The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the better! -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken for flea dirt. Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives against fleasthe cedar one is good. We use nematodes to spray around the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will cause severe anemia comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every month I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will deprive the cat of nutrients. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be fleas. I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this week. Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for fleas. I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat him. He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that would be good for him now. We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and bloodwork. I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for identification. Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on our Lydia
I'm not sure the origin of this line but please consider carrying some ice packs. I traveled two hours, stopped to visit a lady that Kitty apparently didn't care for (she hid under some towels and stayed there for another hour or so in very moderate weather). When we arrived at my holistic vet's, Kitty was very overheated. Luckily I had extremely cold water bottles in a cooler. I travel with ice packs and extremely cold water nowno matter how hot it is. Additionally, this could be a life saver in case of a car breakdown . On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Sharyl wrote: Here are some travel tips. I've made several long road trips with my cats. Some will eat in the car and some will wait until we get settled in a motel for the night. I take several jars of meat baby food for the road. Most truck stops have a microwave oven so you can gently warm the baby food. I carry a bottle of water just for Pequita, my CRF kitty. At every stop I'd syringe 10 cc's of water to her. I've found a large carrier works well. In the back it will hold a small aluminum pan filled with litter. I put the food and water in when I stop. I have back problems and need to stop every couple of hours for a stretch. I carry a med. size rubbermaid tub with litter for the motel. I set up the litter box, food and water in the motel bathroom. Feliway spray for the carriers and motel rooms well help settle the cats. Can you check now to see if the area you are moving to has a vet familiar with FeLV? Good luck Sharyl --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Anndrea DeLozier unspecifie...@gmail.com wrote: From: Anndrea DeLozier unspecifie...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on our Lydia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 1:28 PM Oh, I guess I hadn't put her name in the first message, so I can see why people don't know what I'm talking about :) The heading was: [Felvtalk] Questions about FeLV My name came up as: A D And it was posted: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:26:52 -0700 Anyway, any idea how much Pet Tinic I should give her? Any thoughts on an iron supplement? Liquid seems to be the way to go :) Also, and I hope I don't sound too dumb.but can kitty have human blood in a transfusion? And/Or, can her sister (if she's FeLV negative) donate blood to her? Biological sister, not adopted sister :) Would a vet do a transfusion from one cat to another? Any idea if it would be extremely expensive? We are going to be moving 1400 miles away, and we leave on the 15th. It'll take a few days to get there. I know that will be stressful on her, is there anything I can do to make it any less stressful? Like if she rides on someone's lap instead of in a crate.or get one of those calming collars I've seen at Walmart.? They have some kind of pheromone or something on them, I think.? There will be other cats in crates, and 2 dogs possibly in crates, possibly not, but the dogs and this cat get along very well. She has continued to eat baby food.not a ton, but some.and she urinated the other day (on the floor - missed the box, I guess) and it was a very string yellow color, but not orange, brown, or red.like a.hi-liter yellow, but really concentrated. Like if you hi-lited the same spot on a piece of paper over and over.hope that makes some sense.lol. She's still real yellow-skinned (and paw pads and nose and gums). She has been more alert the last few days, but still not active much. The vet she saw was very sure that she won't make it. He kept saying he has seen cats with the levels in her bloodwork, and it never turns out good. I don't expect a miracle (thought it would be nice), but if she can live for a while, and not be in pain or discomfort, I have to try.ya know? If she makes it until the 15th, and makes the trip, I will be looking for a vet that is maybe a bit more optimistic.but realistic, too. Oh.and guess what? She was purring for me the other morning :) That was the first time I'd heard/felt that in a while. She seems to not want to be warm. She won't stay under the covers at night like she used to, prefers the bare wood floor to the soft beds, and we even found her in the empty bathtub yesterday. Most of her day is spent in the top of a tall laundry basket, laying on a fleece blanket. At night she sleeps at the foot of our bed. Anyway, any more info, encouragement, ideas, etc. are greatly appreciated :) ~Anndrea ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks for your messages of condolence
They do. Dixie sent me Copper (a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from) a month after she left and Thomas (another tiny kitten from the same pine thicket) two weeks latertake two, they are small. And the ones that are sent are so special. I am sorry for your loss and those of others on this list. Dixie was FeLV+. The boys are negative (thank you Lord). I don't know who was the happiest when they were tested, the vets and their staff or me. On Sep 29, 2010, at 9:46 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET ANOTHER, THEY WILL COME TO YOU. EVERY TIME I LOOSE ONE, ANOTHER SHOWS UP. BOB PASSED RECENTLY AND I EXPECT SOMEONE TO SHOW UP SOON. Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: I wanted to say a thank you for all your heartfelt messages of condolence for me and my Cheshire. You all are so kind, I wasn't expecting so many replies. It's a consolation to know so many people understand what it's like. The most important thing is that she knew and still knows how much she's loved by me and everyone who knew her. I feel she's still with me. Thanks Beth, Catherine, Mike, Bonnie, Sharyl, Sherry Sara for lighting the candle for us, Natalie for your poem, I want to hang it up, it sounds so true! LauraM - I'm sure Tiger knew how much you love him and that you were with him in spirit when he passed, that's what matters, and the time you spent together. I've been told that if you lose an animal, you go out and get a new one, their soul may come back.. thanks all!!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: OdoBan
I use it on oak and pine floors and have had no problem. On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:15 PM, POTT, BEVERLY wrote: Is it ok for hardwood floors? -Original Message- From: Cougar Clan [mailto:maima...@duo-county.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: OdoBan There is a milky gallon bottle at Sams that is a concentrate for about $10. There is a spray bottle (not concentrate) at some WalMarts. I am sure the other is fine but probably over priced. On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Natalie wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the last time he chased him. They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad that they would be made to feel that way. Paola From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim. Most people who have cats brought them from the states and have already had them vaccinated. Again, very few are actually let out. The speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 mph.) I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes outside. I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since she got sick. However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much! She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours. I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy. Thanks again for your input and concern. Melinda and Fuji On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts. I can't say enough good about it. I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning. It is safe and fairly inexpensive. Google it ... the number of uses and products it can replace is amazing. On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote: I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been hyped...doesn't work so well. I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals. I've tried spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot longer. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the last time he chased him. They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad that they would be made to feel that way. Paola From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim. Most people who have cats brought them from the states and have already had them vaccinated. Again, very few are actually let
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: OdoBan
There is a milky gallon bottle at Sams that is a concentrate for about $10. There is a spray bottle (not concentrate) at some WalMarts. I am sure the other is fine but probably over priced. On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Natalie wrote: I wanted to post a picture of the bottle of OdoBan to ask you if that's the one, but I guess I can't do that in this group. I primarily need it for hard surfaces, so it's a purple bottle that's called OdoBan Pet OxySurface Hard Floor Cleaner. Thank you - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:38 PM To: at...@optonline.net Subject: OdoBan The message's content type was not explicitly allowed ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Check with your vet re the time the vaccinations need to be effective. I suspect it is more than a week or two. It has taken 6 weeks for a dog and two cats to semi-make peace. Don't rush it. All that will happen is that everyone, including you, will be stressed out. Take your time. I know it is hard but do it for all your sakes. On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat I've got Lucky in the back bedroom. The other 3 hear him meow. Some even peer under the door and hiss at him. So, what's next? Just open the door and say Hello, everyone!? Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can see eachother for a few days? It's been a week and I figured after another week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of course). I'm stressing out over what to do. Help? - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. Use some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment! Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral! I don't release them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it happens too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes, nonetheless!.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Importance: High Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue. There are some ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats. I live trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house. Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of mine have. Don't tempt fate by letting him out again. (MHO) On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information. Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs. My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7. I keep my cats _strictly_ indoors. Lucky would have to adapt to that life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he might do). Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that. My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box sharing. I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat uses its own box. So I suspect there is box sharing. And I know that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes. - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it cannot be eliminated from the body. I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat. I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk. Hope this helps, Tanya --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM All vaccines are only about 80% effectiveI really don't have much experience with this because I have two very healthy FeLV+ cats, living separately from others. But I would think that if retested, being only a weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It seems to have been really run down, the immune system was definitely compromised, fighting an infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] for Melinda
I put a 10 x 10 x 6 foot tall kennel on the side porch for Dixie Louise Doodle Katt JP as a reward for being very wonderful when Mom was in the hospital. We went out and sat together. It was a wonderful time. I wish she was still here. On Sep 19, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: You can always build an enclosure to let them have some outside time. After 3 of ours all indoor all of their lives pushed out a screen and got out, one Bailey kept wanting to go out, so after him driving us nuts for a month or so rolling in front of the door and trying to get out every chance he had we decided to build an enclosure. It is off out back door and we have a pet door in the kitchen window that they use. It is 21 feet by 22 feet in size and 8 feet high, our back door opens out to it and we and the kitties can spend time outside anytime they want, the top is covered with chicken wire to keep them in and the hawks out. They love it!!! Here are some pictures, this is before we added the pet door in the kitchen window and the steps leading up to it. http://www.bemikitties.com/cgi-bin/photo/index.cgi?mode=viewalbum=/Kitty-Play-Pen -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Can you fix a window perch for her? A box with screened sides and a top that would fit in one of your windows that she could use when the weather is right? On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote: I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim. Most people who have cats brought them from the states and have already had them vaccinated. Again, very few are actually let out. The speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 mph.) I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes outside. I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since she got sick. However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much! She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours. I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy. Thanks again for your input and concern. Melinda and Fuji On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote: Suggestion: Fix her a secure kennel outside. I put up a 12x12x6 foot kennel with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work. I used left over chain link). Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed so Ebony and Mi Tu could go to a window in a bath, go through a pet door, walk out in the ductwork and down a ramp into a kennel fitted with plastic milk crates and other toys. Both cats were FeLV-, healthy and wonderful. Ebony had been a street cat until about age 3 +. He became a yard cat then an inside outside cat then he and I moved and he needed to be an inside cat with a play area. The cost was less than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge that Ebony (who was getting older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside) had a safe place to go. If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come into contact with. You may be subjecting her to a painful death too. If she becomes sick, other animals will prey on her. I'll leave the details to you. I don't tell you this to scare you but to be sure you realize what you may be doing. Dixie was grown when she can into my life. She was FeLV+ and very alone. She became a garage cat then a house trailer cat then a two house cat who had everything. I thought about just letting her go but could not do that to the other cats that depended on me...nor could I face what might happen to her. We live in the country with dogs, coyotes, hawks and.well, you get the idea. With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust. Actually, getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer. On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote: Hello all, I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my story. I will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young kitty who is FeLV positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal lymphoma. The problem is, she doesn't know that she is supposed to be sick. At this time there are no outward signs of illness. She was allowed outside for a couple of hours at a time, never overnight and always staying close to home. Now, I try to limit her to outside time with close supervision. However, she has started to push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me. I know she is trying to play with me and alleviate some of her boredom. She spends the day begging to go out, crying meee u, all day long. She races us to the door and bites at our ankles to try to get out. I'm faced with the decision of just letting her go because her quality of life seems to depend on it. She is otherwise quite content. I am leaning toward giving her more outside time and dealing with the consequences. Her chances at a long life are very limited anyway and I feel that I should try to make her happy. Am I wrong to feel this way? Melinda and Fuji On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Yes, Natalie. I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated feral. She raised a litter of kittens down by the creek. Some kind people trapped them and found homes for thekittens, but no one wanted mama cat. She's a lovely brushed coat calico. She is sweet as pie, and Never offers to run out the door. The look she gives is, Been there, done that, don't want it! She has her quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion. - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. Use some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment! Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral! I don't
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue. There are some ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats. I live trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house. Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of mine have. Don't tempt fate by letting him out again. (MHO) On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information. Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs. My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7. I keep my cats _strictly_ indoors. Lucky would have to adapt to that life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he might do). Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that. My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box sharing. I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat uses its own box. So I suspect there is box sharing. And I know that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes. - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it cannot be eliminated from the body. I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat. I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk. Hope this helps, Tanya --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM All vaccines are only about 80% effectiveI really don't have much experience with this because I have two very healthy FeLV+ cats, living separately from others. But I would think that if retested, being only a weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It seems to have been really run down, the immune system was definitely compromised, fighting an infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a bitthere are many extremely well informed members who will have any and all information you need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come here often so that I stay informed Debbie We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience them. - Kahlil Gibran From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one more time. - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: New to Feline Leukemia It's a long story, but I'll shorten it... My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer living at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible infected eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia. This makes my plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge. The vet said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out how to make this work, longer term. Ideas??? Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Suggestion: Fix her a secure kennel outside. I put up a 12x12x6 foot kennel with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work. I used left over chain link). Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed so Ebony and Mi Tu could go to a window in a bath, go through a pet door, walk out in the ductwork and down a ramp into a kennel fitted with plastic milk crates and other toys. Both cats were FeLV-, healthy and wonderful. Ebony had been a street cat until about age 3 +. He became a yard cat then an inside outside cat then he and I moved and he needed to be an inside cat with a play area. The cost was less than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge that Ebony (who was getting older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside) had a safe place to go. If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come into contact with. You may be subjecting her to a painful death too. If she becomes sick, other animals will prey on her. I'll leave the details to you. I don't tell you this to scare you but to be sure you realize what you may be doing. Dixie was grown when she can into my life. She was FeLV+ and very alone. She became a garage cat then a house trailer cat then a two house cat who had everything. I thought about just letting her go but could not do that to the other cats that depended on me...nor could I face what might happen to her. We live in the country with dogs, coyotes, hawks and.well, you get the idea. With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust. Actually, getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer. On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote: Hello all, I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my story. I will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young kitty who is FeLV positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal lymphoma. The problem is, she doesn't know that she is supposed to be sick. At this time there are no outward signs of illness. She was allowed outside for a couple of hours at a time, never overnight and always staying close to home. Now, I try to limit her to outside time with close supervision. However, she has started to push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me. I know she is trying to play with me and alleviate some of her boredom. She spends the day begging to go out, crying meee u, all day long. She races us to the door and bites at our ankles to try to get out. I'm faced with the decision of just letting her go because her quality of life seems to depend on it. She is otherwise quite content. I am leaning toward giving her more outside time and dealing with the consequences. Her chances at a long life are very limited anyway and I feel that I should try to make her happy. Am I wrong to feel this way? Melinda and Fuji On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Yes, Natalie. I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated feral. She raised a litter of kittens down by the creek. Some kind people trapped them and found homes for thekittens, but no one wanted mama cat. She's a lovely brushed coat calico. She is sweet as pie, and Never offers to run out the door. The look she gives is, Been there, done that, don't want it! She has her quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion. - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. Use some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment! Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral! I don't release them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it happens too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes, nonetheless!.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Importance: High Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue. There are some ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats. I live trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house. Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of mine have. Don't tempt fate by letting him out again. (MHO) On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information
Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia
Personally, I would read the information on the board about the testing procedures and have him retested. Meanwhile I would vaccinate my cats and keep Lucky safe until he is retested. Depending on what you decide to do about mixing (again this board has lots of information--I mixed after one cat (FELV-) was diagnosed with terminal cancer), you go forward the best way you can. A spare room is not a bad thing. Just make all your decisions with love for Lucky. Feed all of the cats the absolute best diet you can and keep them as stress free as possible. Lucky has gone through a lot and I cannot imagine the pain and stress of your mother's illness and their separation has caused both of them. I like to use Rescue Remedy in water and Feliway spray around the house. There are other things you can do to help. I suspect your mother talked to Lucky a lot. Maybe a radio or even a recording of her voice? If you do the recording, consider a loop tape (like they use for training parrots etc. Record once and it repeats for so long a time). I brought my Daddy's cat to live with me after Mom decided she couldn't care for her after Daddy left this world. I slept on the floor for 3 months trying to get Kitty to come out. We finally reached an agreementI was there to serve her. My holistic vet suggested the Feliway and it really helped. It sounds like Lucky is not as upset by the move but keep this in mind. Consider consulting a holistic/alternative vet. I have regular vets that I adore and a holistic vet who has a vet degree and works wonderfully with my regular vets (they sent me to her initially). I have a couple of names and numbers in Louisville KY if you need them. They do phone consultations. Then, most importantly for me, throw away the calendar and enjoy every minute you have with Lucky and the other cats. Bless you for caring. On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: It's a long story, but I'll shorten it... My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer living at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible infected eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia. This makes my plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge. The vet said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out how to make this work, longer term. Ideas??? Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Don't wait days to check. If it came through, and it did, you will be getting information in days if not hours. This is an extremely caring group of people with a common hate..this awful diseaseand a love of the living. On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Thank you, Debbie. I'll check back on the postings in a few days to see if anyone has any suggestions. Peace. B. - Original Message - From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a bitthere are many extremely well informed members who will have any and all information you need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come here often so that I stay informed Debbie We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience them. - Kahlil Gibran From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one more time. - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: New to Feline Leukemia It's a long story, but I'll shorten it... My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer living at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible infected eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia. This makes my plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge. The vet said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out how to make this work, longer term. Ideas??? Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia
I am very sure he does. The drooling is a sign of contentment as is the purring and kneading. He sounds like a wonderful little guy. How confident are you in your vet? If the answer is not 110%, consider a consultation with another vet. On Sep 16, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Thanks, Cougar Clan. I am looking up a holistic vet here in Sonoma County. Lucky was living outside and not coming around for feeding. I knew I had to do something when I spotted him just after sunset one evening on the neighbor's roof, looking out on the world. It was the saddest, most forlorn sight I'd ever seen. I knew then that this little guy was feeling abandoned and wondering what to do and where to go. My next act was to open a can of tuna to lure him in. It worked. Two days of feeding canned food and I nabbed him. I think he was relieved. He is adjusting well (smartest cat I ever met). I went in an laid on the bed and he did all the things my mom used to tell me about: drooling while he purred, kneading, stretching out his full length next to me. What a special cat, indeed. I am committed to helping him and keeping him safe and healthy. I tell him, Lucky, maybe it's time you retire, you know? No more fights or catching rats -- just live the good life on easy street! Hope he agrees! - Original Message - From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia Personally, I would read the information on the board about the testing procedures and have him retested. Meanwhile I would vaccinate my cats and keep Lucky safe until he is retested. Depending on what you decide to do about mixing (again this board has lots of information--I mixed after one cat (FELV-) was diagnosed with terminal cancer), you go forward the best way you can. A spare room is not a bad thing. Just make all your decisions with love for Lucky. Feed all of the cats the absolute best diet you can and keep them as stress free as possible. Lucky has gone through a lot and I cannot imagine the pain and stress of your mother's illness and their separation has caused both of them. I like to use Rescue Remedy in water and Feliway spray around the house. There are other things you can do to help. I suspect your mother talked to Lucky a lot. Maybe a radio or even a recording of her voice? If you do the recording, consider a loop tape (like they use for training parrots etc. Record once and it repeats for so long a time). I brought my Daddy's cat to live with me after Mom decided she couldn't care for her after Daddy left this world. I slept on the floor for 3 months trying to get Kitty to come out. We finally reached an agreementI was there to serve her. My holistic vet suggested the Feliway and it really helped. It sounds like Lucky is not as upset by the move but keep this in mind. Consider consulting a holistic/alternative vet. I have regular vets that I adore and a holistic vet who has a vet degree and works wonderfully with my regular vets (they sent me to her initially). I have a couple of names and numbers in Louisville KY if you need them. They do phone consultations. Then, most importantly for me, throw away the calendar and enjoy every minute you have with Lucky and the other cats. Bless you for caring. On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: It's a long story, but I'll shorten it... My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer living at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible infected eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia. This makes my plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge. The vet said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out how to make this work, longer term. Ideas??? Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude
Bless you for caring and giving him the love he needed and deserved. The little girl who came to me, Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, stayed for two wonderful yearsfar more than the vets ever though possible. A month after Dixie left this world, she sent me a kitten who really needed a persontwo weeks later, she blessed me with a second kitten who needed a person. They are big, healthy cats and the joys of my life and a joy to all of Dixie's vets (holistic and regular). The time I had with her was a blessing beyond wordsbe prepared for the blessings your little one sends to you and open your arms, home and heart. Your little dude knew love and safety and plenty, things he never knew before he met you. I wish every being could be so lucky. On Aug 3, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Julie G. wrote: Hi I've been lurking a few weeks. In July I picked up a stray that turned out to be FELV+. In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could live (I have 4 cats). I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing away happily. He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always different sizes. But he was relatively happy so we kept on. Last night his back legs didnt work. This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they always came back on after a while. But this morning they still didnt work. The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal cord. He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too. So the decision was made to let him go. He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we finally caught him. I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full of tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work. I'm crushed that we couldnt give him a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, and filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks. Safe and comfy and within a foot of food at all times. :) Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to it... so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted to drop a line to folks who understand. He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was my kitty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude
Julie, His fate would probably been much worse than that. Cats that are sick or impaired become prey...easy prey...instead of hunters. I am sure you know that cats don't show their people symptoms when they are sick..it is because they will die in the wildthe same, to a degree with dogs.They can be so hard to care for because they know their fates if they are not able to take care of themselves. Dixie didn't show signs that she was in trouble until the day before she left this world.I rushed her to the very best vets 2 + hours away. By the next day, she was leaving. She waited until I was taking her home to put her in an O2 tent.my little girl was not leaving this world at any vets..no way...only in the Jeep where she traveled on so many adventures and with her Person. I won't go into what raccoons, dogs, hawks.could have done. Your little Dude was extremely lucky...and you are blessed for caring for him. Keep your heart open. On Aug 3, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Julie G. wrote: Thanks. That's what's getting me by too, knowing that had we not snatched him up last month, right now he'd be frustrated and scared, wondering how in the heck he was going to eat tonight since he couldnt make it up the stairs to the food dish on my neighbor's porch. I just cant imagine. He didnt get to stay long, but I hope he had a good time at the Motel Julie. ;) ~Julie From: Chris ti...@mindspring.com Good for you for giving this little guy some good times at the end of his life. Had you not been there for him, he would have suffered so much out there. No matter what happened to him in the first part of his life, he got to know love and caring and the good life he so deserved. Thank you so much for doing that for him... Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Hi I've been lurking a few weeks. In July I picked up a stray that turned out to be FELV+. In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could live (I have 4 cats). I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing away happily. He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always different sizes. But he was relatively happy so we kept on. Last night his back legs didnt work. This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they always came back on after a while. But this morning they still didnt work. The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal cord. He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too. So the decision was made to let him go. He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we finally caught him. I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full of tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work. I'm crushed that we couldnt give him a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, and filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks. Safe and comfy and within a foot of food at all times. :) Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to it... so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted to drop a line to folks who understand. He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was my kitty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
You might consider a ramp or something like that so he can continue to get on the bed with you. If you acclimate him to it now, he can decide to use it on his own. On Jul 23, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Lorrie wrote: Amy, I've had several FelV cats with back leg problems, and they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing stairs or trying to jump up on things. I'd let him do what he thinks he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him, and this is always bad for FelV cats. Lorrie On 07-23, Amy wrote: Wondering if people would offer an opinion. My cat, Wolfie, has rear leg weakness that is getting progressively worse. He's been seen by numerous vets and it's not going to get any better. I'm guessing the leukemia is finally getting the best of him. Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let him do. Initially my vet said not to restrict him, that letting him use the muscles was good for them. He is now starting to stumble or sit more often. He doesn't totally fall over or anything, just gets a bit wobbly or sits down. If he's on linoleum, he has much less control of his legs. He is still jumping up and down on my bed, eating, purring, laying on my chest, going up and down stairs, etc. I don't want him to get hurt and him doing the stairs makes me so nervous. On the other hand, I don't want to restrict him out of fear. I talked to the receptionist at the vet and she said if it was her cat, the stairs would be off limits. This will be so tough because I have 3 other cats, 1 very shy one that hides in the basement and only comes out when my son is sleeping. I would have to force her to stay in the basement or out of the basement (as opposed to having access to the cat door in the basement door). The last thing I want is to see Wolfie get hurt but I can't seem to think that if he gets to a point where he can't do the stairs, he will stop doing them. Is that foolish? He is such an opinionated, strong-willed cat and I know he will not be pleased if I restrict him in any fashion. Oh and he doesn't have to do any stairs. He has food, water, and litter on all floors. He just chooses to. Thoughts? Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and dogs
I haven't. On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:11 AM, MaryChristine wrote: don't want to duplicate stuff, but if you HAVEN'T seen them, let me know and i'll put up the link. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads tohemolytic anemia
Another name is fiddler spider... On Jul 11, 2010, at 7:31 AM, create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: We are talking bout a Brown Recluse? Don't they have the violin on their back? I find them all the time will be much more careful from now on! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:11:10 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia I was bitten by one last November. My wound didn't become necrotic - but the swollen area was about 10 in diameter, it was tremendously painful and I have a discolored noticeable concavity in my leg at the bite site which will probably be permanent. Since that time I have suffered from constant exhaustion along with muscle spasms in the affected leg that are sometimes non-stop. So, I am always on the lookout for them. Interesting - I would love to see the research if you would kindly email it to me. --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:53 PM Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!
On the insurance issue...please try to get something that covers people who visit. Cats scratch and they bite. I had two surgeries on a finger that one little girl who was defending herself broke. Had it been on someone else's property or had she been an owned cat, that person and not my insurance would have footed the bills .even though it was my fault I was bitten. My insurance company called with zillions of questions to make sure they could not put the bill off on someone else. I've been nipped and scratched by my own cats too with no problem but there are so many mean-spirited people and you are doing a wonderful thing. On Jul 2, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Natalie wrote: I operate my 501 (c) (3) cat rescue group from home; we have regular home insurance and an umbrella to cover any volunteers, workers and people who come to adopt. We have never even been asked about the state of health of all the cats - they don't care. We have a small number of FIV/FeLV positive cats and many more healthy cats. I never planned it that way, but since they were rescues, I wasn't going to kill them or not accept themso here I am. It really did sound to me that they may have been under the impression that the cats were to be insured, is that possible? I can't think of any other reason for anyone giving a hoot about the health of cats at a shelter, wherever it may be!!! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Chris Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP! ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE KENNEL PACK IS ASSOCIATED WITH PETA WITH THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARDS FELV POS CATS. THEY NEED AN UPDATE FROM A VET ABOUT POS AND NEG FELV CATS. SINCE THE VIRUS DOES NOT LIVE LONG OUTSIDE THE HOST(AFTER IT IS DRIED OUT), MY VET SAID MAIN PROBLEM WOULD BE IF THEY GOT INTO A REAL KNOCKDOWN FIGHT AND BIT EACH OTHER . THAT WAY THE SALIVA FROM POS CAT COULD ENTER BLOODSTREAM O NEG CAT AND CAUSE A PROBLEM. SO, IF YOU KEEP THEM IN SEPERATE ROOMS, YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote: You might want to try some of the places that do keep AND adopt out FELV + and neg cats. Sounds a bit crazy to me that they wouldn't give you insurance. -Original Message- From: Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com Sent: Jun 30, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP! I need Liability insurance. I tried Kennel Pack and they sent me an apology letter. They won't insure me because I adopt out healthy cats and keep FELV positive cats in the same building. It's not like I keep them together. They each have their own cageless room. I also had to promise never to adopt out the FELV positive cats for them to even consider me and still they wouldn't insure me. I know some of you do this, so I'm hoping you can point me in the direction of people who are a little more understanding to the needs of these kitties. It isn't fair to discriminate against me or these animals. I just want to provide a no kill place for them to live and help find homes for all of the kitties if possible. :-( THANKS!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks Jenny--- Kia
Any chance of finding another vet??? Re chemo: That is what the experts wanted to do to the Royal Princess Kitty Katt for cancer. I talked to her regular vets and we decided that the chemo would take an awful toll on Kitty, making her miserable. We opted to do nothing. This is what I chose based on her personality and the very honest information I got from my vets at Middletown Animal Clinic. Sometimes you need to get an objective opinion and information about a lot of things. You can't afford it. Do not feel bad about that. This may be a kindness. Do you have access to a homeopathic vet? I have a wonderful one who has treated six of my wonderful guys and girls for various things. Just an idea. On May 2, 2010, at 5:17 PM, kia wrote: Hi all, Jenny, Thanks for the info on the vitamins. Can I get the vitamin C and add it to her food as well? This vet only offered me two suggestions. The meds I mentioned and chemo. No way could I afford chemo treatments unfortunately. If I could give Kia something natural while not being expensive I would definitely try. I don't know if the vet would be open to IV vitamin C or not. Would have to ask. Please let me know about dosages for those vitamins. Kia is only about 6.7 lbs now. I agree that most researchers aren't interested in curing animals of their diseases. Guess there isn't enough money in it for them. Thanks again for the help. janet ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper
And they give you their hearts..I am so glad Casper could leave this world loved and at home with his friends. I know he is sending you the very best kind of love and warmth...a warmth that will make your heart heal and grow so you can continue loving little ones. On Apr 7, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Frank Sue Koren wrote: I am heartbroken to say that this afternoon my sweet Casper lost his battle. He was one of the most sweet tempered cats I have ever known. He never ever bit or clawed anyone in anger, not for any reason. He used to come to bed and make bread in the middle of the night right into my stomach until I got in the habit of sleeping while holding his paws gently in my hands. He loved nothing more then to be brushed with an old blue hairbrush. In the middle of the night last night I was spending what I was pretty sure was my last few hours with him brushing him with it. He was still pushing against it with the sides of his face and purring. This morning when I left for work I told him goodbye and thanked him for coming to live with me and being such a special kitty. My mother in law sat with him today and he passed around 2:30. She told me the rest of the cats in the house came and sat in a circle around him, almost like a vigil. Orlando has slept near him for the last several days and through the night. I hope now Casper is in a place where there is no more feline leukemia and he can run free and watch the birds and chipmunks all he wants. Whenever I lose one of these sweet kitties they take a piece of my heart. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat
Animal Communications works..honest. Don't be freaked out about it. And they will talk to you if you let them. On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:02 PM, LauraM wrote: And this will freak you out. I met someone on Saturday who has a friend who's a full-time psychic. I emailed him about Bridget and his response to me was this: Bridget said she left to make room for someone else to come into your life - perhaps even a new child. I always referred to her as my baby. He knew nothing about the new cat. Weird, isn't it? I got chills when I read that. --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:45 PM That's great news, she knew you needed someone ... and they needed you!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat
It was. Bridget was watching after you just as Dixie watched after me. She, like Bridget, knew that too much grief was not good for her Person and being busy is a good distraction. Dixie sent me two very small kittens, Sir Copper and Sir Thomas Cougar, who are now very big cats. If you ever doubt Bridget's love, look at the new little one. On Mar 20, 2010, at 6:25 PM, LauraM wrote: First, thank you everyone for all your kindness and support over Bridget's passing. I appreciate it so much. But she's sent me another FeLV+ friend to help! On the evening of 3/17, the day she died, I checked the adoptable positives section of the website. Lo and behold, someone in GA had posted an available kitty just the day before. I never, ever check those postings, ever, but I figured the best way to honor Bridget, Baby Girl, Frosty Paws and the rest would be to take in another needy baby. These kind people had found this little girl in their neighborhood, but couldn't keep her due to the wife's allergies. They'd been boarding her at their vet's office for 5 weeks but hadn't been able to find her a home. Anyway, they brought me the cat yesterday, and she's just wonderful...still a little nervous around my big boys, but she'll be fine. Maybe this was meant to be. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
If you were good at trusting your instincts you would not have needed Bridget. You would have missed the pain you are in now but you would never have had the wonderful pleasure of knowing Bridget. On Mar 19, 2010, at 1:21 PM, LauraM wrote: You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two lessons: one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more. Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive! She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday). --- On Fri, 3/19/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best, in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time. sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way. i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our ability, and know that every minute is a gift. GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you when the most intense pain has diminished a bit. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Wait, calm yourself, and, when the time is right, talk to Bridget. She will talk back to you when it is right. Honest. On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:31 PM, LauraM wrote: I never got to say goodbye. I handed her over and left her with strangers and left her to die without me. I don't know how long she'd been dead before the vet bothered calling - I left as soon as I got word it only takes 15 minutes to get there, and she was stone cold and stiff as a board. This will haunt me for the rest of my life. --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Jeff Mills jeffkmi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jeff Mills jeffkmi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:39 PM I understand your pain. I took my 17-year old into the vet last June 15th because he was very old and fragile, and refused food that morning. He had separated himself from the pride, self-exiling to the living room weeks before. The technician detected a wheeze - he had been wheezing for years. He was 17, after all. So the technician told me that he would take Demon in back and put him on some oxygen until the doctor could look him over. He yowled as she took him away, and for once in my life, my cat senses failed me. Moments later, the doctor came into the room to tell me that Demon had arrested on the exam table, and there was nothing they could do. Before I had even had a chance to thank him for all the joy he had given me, to honor him by holding him as he passed - all of that was taken away from the two of us. It is hard to not think, If I had only... Blaming oneself seems natural, when the result is the loss of one of our close family members. And make no mistake, that's what the furbabies we take into our lives quickly become. (I am crying as I am writing this.) But do not let an unfortunate accident diminish the bond you had with your fur-daughter, however short it may have been. Cherish what time you had together, and what you learned from her. Take what she taught you into the future with you, for while it still hurts right now, eventually there will be another furry relationship, and the things you have learned with Bridget will provide you with invaluable lessons for the future. For the kitties, Jeffrey Mills ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Not really. When I took Dixie to be spayed (we found out later-- before surgery--that she had already been spayed) there were detailed discussions about stress and FeLV+ cats and which was more stressful, surgery or going through heat at least twice a year. And my vets were not in favor of euthanizing any healthy cat whether she was FeLV+ or not. They laid it on the line including her possible problems and less than lengthy life and, more importantly, how she was very healthy then. They feel, and I agree, that all the cards should be on the table. My regular vets were 2 1/2 hours away from the two little ones who left this world. They suspect that there were underlying issues. On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:00 PM, LauraM wrote: It wasn't my regular vet - it was the spay/neuter vet who comes to the shelter where I work. He's altered many of my cats and they've all come through fine. But this vet also thinks all cats with FeLV should be euthanized. He's entitled to his opinion. But it was odd this morning when I dropped her off - he said You know, this can stress out a cat with leukemia bring on symptoms. I'm just letting you know so you don't blame me if something happens. Well, yeah, we all know you need to keep these cats away from stress. How many cats have I had spayed or neutered with FeLV they've been OK? Does this sound suspicious or what? --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:52 PM I am so sorry for you loss. You did not kill your cat. You were being responsible to have her spayed. Your vet knew her history--please do not beat yourself up. I wish there were more words to help. Please know you are not to blame yourself. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know whether I killed my cat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
As painful as it is, you are blessed and so is Baby Girl. She got to leave this world the way she wanted to. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt got to leave on her own terms and so did Dixie Louise. I have learned so much from them about letting them leave on their ownnot to let them suffer but to let them leave. Right now you probably don't feel it but, maybe, later, you will feel the blessings Baby Girl has given you. You loved her and comforted her and she knew and accepted every second. If it helps, Dixie was so healthy then something happened a couple of days before she left this world. On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:28 PM, LauraM wrote: Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
There has been several cases of rabid bats in Ky. This is a consideration. I have to ask what the odds are of a bat getting in the house, then what are the odds of it biting Copper or Thomas then what are the odds of it being rabid. Each person must decide. Ky accepts titers by the way (a really big surprise given how animals are treated generally here). On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive
Please throw away the calendar and enjoy your time together...no one knows when they are going to leave this world. We really do start dying the day we are born. As far as guilt you are feeling, put it away. Casper is lovedthat is what is important. On Mar 4, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Frank Sue Koren wrote: My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+. So by making the decision to mix I have condemned him. He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone. Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few months? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccination questions
Thoughts: Your vet (at least in KY) can certify that the cat is not able to be vaccinated safely. There are pros and cons. I've done this with one cat and one dog. There is a homeopathic remedy, thuja (sp??) that used before and after the vaccination helps. Copper and Thomas had problems with their shots--became very aggressive tiny kittens. I gave them this and it really helped. To emphasize the issue, I waited until long after their shots were due to get them because they came from a pine thicket and needed time to grow and develop. They have. Wonderfully. I am still very careful about their shots. Check out http://horizonvetserv.com/ for vaccination information. On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: I don't currently have any FeLv+ cats. I am wondering what others do about vacci nating non FeLV+ cats. Some of my cats are older (12/13) and some have health issues ( asthma, pancreatitis, allergies). I really hate to vaccinate these guys for anything (including rabies). Rabies is required but Coco has a terrible reaction every time she is vaccinated for rabies (stops eating). I know the adjuvant is the suspected caused of VAS. I know there is an adjuvant free distemper vaccine and also an inter nasal. I do not know if there is an adjuvant free rabies vaccine. I also know a smaller needle is recommended for all vaccinations to keep from injecting the skin plug into the body. I don't like to vaccinate. I know that adult cats generally do not need the panleukopenia part of the distemper series vaccination. All of mine have been regularly vaccinated for years, except Tessa (she has been here 18 months and vaccinated once for rabies and distemper). We tried the titer testing but my vet discourages that (I think for cost reasons). I do not vaccinate for FeLV anymore (I would if I had an FeLV+ cat living with my others). My vet believes the initial round of FeLV vaccinations might be sufficient for life. Would others be willing to share what you do about vaccinating? Thanks, Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
Thanks for the information re the FeLVI have concerns about my boys not being vaccinated because of the what-ifs associated with travel and .well..thanks. Having lost Dixie to this and being inclined to help out cats with no caregivers, the boys safety is a concern. On Mar 3, 2010, at 12:25 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it. I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax. PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat
Consider another FeLV+ cat if adoption takes too long. You can save a life, help both cats live happily and well, two are always easier than one. On Mar 3, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Trish Sebben wrote: Hi, My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test and IFA). I am seeking advice on the best way to care for Zelda, who is about a year old and has no symptoms, and also looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has had extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise healthy girl. Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for FeLV+ cats, would be greatly appreciated. She has a home here as long as she needs it, and I will move mountains if necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently has her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social girl, and she deserves a home of her own. I have four FeLV negative cats of my own, and don't want her to spend her life in a small room by herself. I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate from my cats with no contact, and I thoroughly wash up when entering and leaving her room. Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of the cats from the colony she came from have tested positive for, and is two weeks into her three week treatment. We also treated her for coccydia. She's been spayed and vaccinated. Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides providing a warm, quiet environment and lots of love? Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's first FeLV case. It was suggested that I send her to sanctuary, but I see that option as a last resort, and don't want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has put her trust in me. Thanks! Trish ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating please?
If it would make no difference in what you will do and you are very sure that you will never look back with regrets don't do it. As far as rabiesperhaps you should check out titers. Make very sure you will not look back and question your decisions. On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Avia Rauscher wrote: It's been about a year now since Cinder was pts due to advanced sarcoma caused by FeLV. 3 Months after learning of the cause of Cinder's cancer, Onyx tested FeLV+ (Elisa IFA), but Horus Blackie tested negative and were vaccinated. The vet (a great vet!) is recommending re-testing and booster vax for both Horus Blackie. I see and understand her point of view, but I'm not sure about re- testing, and I'm on the fence about the vaccine. The reason I'm thinking of not re-testing is that I wouldn't do anything different since all the cats are healthy and on a very good diet. All the cats were already adults when introduced to each other, and lived together for over a year before Onyx's diagnosis. The vet feels that since the three cats are not separated, the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks (only 2% of cats who receive the FeLV vaccine develop fibrosarcoma at the vaccination site). However, I'm not sure if re-vaccinating is a good idea if either or both are now positive, which is where I'm stuck. They are both going to the vet on Monday morning for check ups and rabies vaccinations. Any advice? What would you do? Thanks, Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] intro
The sunroom would be a wonderful solution. Others on this list can address the health issues. If he is separated, I would not be concerned personally. I would have a baseline blood test done (your vet may have already done this.) A few years ago Dixie came into my life much the way Whimsy has come into yours. She was the most wonderful little girl. She remained with me for 3 years. I took her into be spayed and got the awful FeLV news. At that time she was scheduled to be a farm/porch cat. She was a garage cat for a while then became a house cat. I took her to a holistic vet who is totally wonderful and who helped Dixie live a full life until her last minutes. Bless you for taking care of Whimsy. Please bring him into the sunroom. You will enjoy it as much as he does but know that he may hide for a while. New smells, sounds and such. On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: hi, I just joined this group - not sure how active it is, but I was thrilled to find the site. I've been taking care of a feral turned 'could be housecat' for 6 months. Finally I was able to trap Whimsy and got him fixed, etc. He turned out to be FeLV positive, but seemingly asymptomatic. We did not do a blood work as initially this was to be a TNR. He is approx 1 1/2 yrs old. I have other inside kitties, so after hearing the FeLV news it wasn't an option to bring him in, but I also refused to put him down. He does still live outside, but won't stay in the numerous shelters I have put out for him any longer due to possums moving into them. He hangs out in the yard most of the time, despite the cold Midwest weather, and is fed twice a day. Since his fixing 4 wks ago, he's become even sweeter, almost babyish and refuses to get off my lap when it's time for me to go inside. He's a real climber, jumper, I often see him on roofs and in trees. He was popcorning all over the place at the vet's - though I got him to walk into the carrier, he had to be sedated once there after a near escape. my question: I have a sun room that I could put him in, if my partner agrees, but what risk is there to my other kitties, a few with their own issues (FIV, HCM, CRF, lung issues, allergies). I am not super concerned about FeLV being spread since they'd be separated(unlikely) but other things Whimsy might have - like Panleuk. I have never been able to get a stool sample from him. what other scary things are possible? how do I ensure he won't have them? I did confirm the ELISA with an IFA, and it was positive. This is 'stage 5 or 6', then? His health issues have been: bouts of no appetitite in Dec coinciding with a runny eye and wound on chest. I got him on antibiotics and it took a good 2 wks, but the eye cleared and his appetite was back. He's had some not eating issues lately, but seems more concerned I coax him and sit with him while he eats. Pepcid helps slightly. He's also been on an immune booster for a month. He used to be a dodgy feral and now tries to rub his face on mine - he's come such a long way. I would love to hear any opinions or stories. thanks, Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] intro
I was in Louisville with Dixie (I have a home there) and I had the luxury of timemy wonderful vets at Middletown Animal Clinic were choking when they phoned me with the news. They kept Dixie safe (I am very sure Dixie didn't feel safe) while I tried to work things out in my mind and for her here in the country. It wasn't ideal. She stayed in a garage for a while and, when she developed a URI, I slept in the garage with her. Time is important. When Dixie left this world she had EVERYTHING! A big bed in a house on a farm that was designed for cats (wide windowsills, lots of windows, a Person who really didn't care if she scratched the floors (pine so there was never a question of messing up the carpet) etc., travel to Louisville, a Christmas tree designed to her standards (I accept animal communicators and she got a 10 foot tall tree with thousands of lights and hundreds of ornaments and...needless to say lots of presents). All of this is to say, her life with me was too short. She was several years old when this happened and had been spayed although we never found a scar (I spent a LOT of money having bloodwork done---she kept telling the AC she had been spayed---she had). But she had everything I even thought she might possibly want. Hopefully that made up for the life she had before. A month after she left she sent me a kitten. Two weeks later she sent another one. Both are very healthy and wonderful boyseach twice Dixie's size. Again, all of this is to say, enjoy Whimsy and don't worry too much. Throw away your calendars (this applies to your other cats too) and enjoy your time together. I had another cat, Kitty, who had terminal cancer. I let her and Dixie together. Neither was going to shorten the life of the other. My wonderful vets told me with Kitty and with Dixie to make my decisions (and they were brutally honest and applied the standards they wanted applied to their lives as I did) and not look back. Peace to all of your friends and to you. I know this is rambling. Dixie left two years ago and I still miss my wonderful girl. The two boys she sent me stay close and were not eaten by the hawk family On Feb 24, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: hi Cougar Clan and Dixie-the-Angel-Cat, Oh, thank you for writing! it warmed my heart! I just came in from having 'dinner w/ Whimsy' and he looks at me so longingly now when I leave him. He's even letting me cut the horrible mattings out of his very long fur now. Dixie sounds like she was so dear and special, and I am sure the holistic approach aided her tremendously. I wish I had done blood work that day, but when they gave me the news and urged me to put him to sleep and not bother to do the IFA even, I forgot about the chipping, blood work etc. I did put to sleep a beautiful FeLV girl, Gypsy, last year because I was told it was the only thing to do and it appeared she had tumors in her mouth and ears. It never sat right with me, and I regretted it so deeply. I have found out that on this street/block, most ferals have had FeLV going back 20 yrs here. There aren't even colonies, but just random cats - I will see about 3 every year and TNR the ones I can. It seems like a very high rate. One bully male Sargeant lasted in the area nearly 3 yrs - very wild - I just saw him in Dec and he was suffering terribly, emaciated, coughing and staggering, but I could not trap him to help him and ease his suffering. I am sure he passed from FeLV. I did witness him attacking Whimsy, who is very passive, and I chased him off. I cringe to think Whimsy might suddenly disappear and I wouldn't be there to help him when it 'was time'. I hope I can get my guy to agree. paws crossed. Thank you for your input so very much. Shannon and Whimsy --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] intro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 4:01 PM The sunroom would be a wonderful solution. Others on this list can address the health issues. If he is separated, I would not be concerned personally. I would have a baseline blood test done (your vet may have already done this.) A few years ago Dixie came into my life much the way Whimsy has come into yours. She was the most wonderful little girl. She remained with me for 3 years. I took her into be spayed and got the awful FeLV news. At that time she was scheduled to be a farm/porch cat. She was a garage cat for a while then became a house cat. I took her to a holistic vet who is totally wonderful and who helped Dixie live a full life until her last minutes. Bless you for taking care of Whimsy. Please bring him into the sunroom. You will enjoy it as much as he does but know that he may hide for a while. New smells
Re: [Felvtalk] intro
OK.try Rescue Remedy and Feliway if you get him into the sunroom.and expect to spend some extra time therea nice recliner or other place for you to nap would be wonderful. On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: hi Mary Christine, Yes, he was given his basic shots, but I wasn't sure quite how/where Panleuk was covered. Someone mentioned it to me as being something I could transfer via clothing to my other guys, so it got me wondering. He is completely difficult for the vets to handle, and would have to be sedated, but the whole thing is rather dramatic, as I'm sure you are familiar with. I've been working with him 2 hrs a day since August - initially through the window just talking while he ate, then observing from a far. There was just something about him :). thanks for your input, it's appreciated. Shannon --- On Wed, 2/24/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] intro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 5:36 PM when he was neutered, was he given his basic shots? if so, if you can get him the booster, that'll protect him against panleuk, and the other basics. depends on your vet--if kitty is really hard to handle or get into a carrier, some will give you the vaccine to administer at home. i'm fairly sure that cats don't carry panleuk--if he's been exposed, he'll get sick and get over it, or not, but he won't harbor it forever. anyone? if he were ever a housecat, which it almost sounds as if he might have been at some point, he could well have been vaccinated as a young one, so has immunity to panleuk already. (and there's no answer, yet, as to whether or not immunity, once established by the full series of baby shots, is lifelong or not. i ain't even gonna go there!) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] intro
PS stress him as little as you can. Feed him the best you can. On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: hi Mary Christine, Yes, he was given his basic shots, but I wasn't sure quite how/where Panleuk was covered. Someone mentioned it to me as being something I could transfer via clothing to my other guys, so it got me wondering. He is completely difficult for the vets to handle, and would have to be sedated, but the whole thing is rather dramatic, as I'm sure you are familiar with. I've been working with him 2 hrs a day since August - initially through the window just talking while he ate, then observing from a far. There was just something about him :). thanks for your input, it's appreciated. Shannon --- On Wed, 2/24/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] intro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 5:36 PM when he was neutered, was he given his basic shots? if so, if you can get him the booster, that'll protect him against panleuk, and the other basics. depends on your vet--if kitty is really hard to handle or get into a carrier, some will give you the vaccine to administer at home. i'm fairly sure that cats don't carry panleuk--if he's been exposed, he'll get sick and get over it, or not, but he won't harbor it forever. anyone? if he were ever a housecat, which it almost sounds as if he might have been at some point, he could well have been vaccinated as a young one, so has immunity to panleuk already. (and there's no answer, yet, as to whether or not immunity, once established by the full series of baby shots, is lifelong or not. i ain't even gonna go there!) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws has passed
You loved him and he knew that. It is heart breaking for you and the helplessness and frustration of the situation must be awful but you can through for the little one. There are so many what ifs with this terrible disease. Bless you for caring for this little soul. Perhaps one day you will know why he came into your life like this and why you came into his life. On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:33 PM, LauraM wrote: I just wish I had known his history...it probably would have been too late anyway, but maybe we could have started him on something, anything, that would have given him a little more time. He was probably suffering for months - he was never taken to a vet until late last year, when he was neutered. Poor guy, he was the sweetest soul, so mellow, and he fit in so well with my others. I will miss him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow
What a wonderful thought. They will let you know if you ask. Mine always have. On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: GLOW for both all of you. have you asked frosty paws what he wants? let him know that you'd to have him stay with you, but that it's okay if what he needs is to go on--sometimes i think they stay longer than they might have, just to keep us happy. he'll tell you if he's ready to go on, and if so, know that he takes with him the sure knowledge that he was loved and cared for. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Add Molly Brown to the CLS
She was loved and blessed to have you. On Feb 13, 2010, at 4:06 AM, Sharyl wrote: I'm heartbroken to write dear sweet Molly Brown is gone. I had to make that last trip to the vet Tuesday to have her PTS. In addition to FeLV she developed wet FIP. I knew it was the end when I could no longer syringe feed her. The little dear was just 5 months old. Her brother Max misses her. I miss her. She loved to sleep in my lap and was my assistant on the computer. She'd sit on the desk to follow the cursor on the monitor. Thought it was just there to amuse her. I know she is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge for me with all our Angels. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Li Won has passed on
I am so glad she had someone to spend her last years withI can not imagine how awful it is to be a beloved pet then be in a pound because no one cares. Bless you. On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Li Won passed from my care about 2 days ago - she was 23 year old Siamese, not FELV. I've had her for at least a couple of years maybe 3 - she belonged to a friend's mother, who had cancer and died of it. She was a sweet, beloved kitty, liked to sleep and eat - and was certainly the oldest kitty I've had. I wish her well in her journey to the bridge and am grateful that she was here. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice please?
Please throw away the calendar and enjoy the time you have together. Dixie was full grown and then some when she came into my life. Someone had spayed her. She had wonderful manners. She was thrown away for reasons unknown and showed up at my Mom's. Eventually I decided she should be a farm cat and took her to Middletown Animal Clinic in Louisville to have her spayed (I didn't know this had already been done). That is when I found out about FeLV. She spent over three years with me and had everything I could give her. I would not trade a second with this wonderful little lady for anything. I have no way of knowing how old she wasmaybe 2-4 years old--when she came into my life. She had the best care from MAC and a holistic vet, Betty Boswell and was healthy until a few days before she left this world. Love your little ones and let them love you. There are no promises...Dixie left quickly and quietly and in the presence of her Person with whom she felt safest. A month after she left, she sent me a little kitten from the same pint thicket she came from and two weeks later she sent me another one (take two, they are small---and they really were). Both boys were about a pound and both had a hawk family who lived in the same pine thicket anxious to invite them to dinner---as an appetizer. Love them. They have their path as do you. It may be long or short but enjoy the journey you share. You will not regret it.as one who loves those who normally have a shorter road than we do, you may grieve but you will rejoice in the love you experience.Who knows, you may leave this world before the little ones. On Jan 26, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Hi Avia I've heard about the five year mark and I've also heard the three year obstacle and I've learned from my cat that there are no guarantees for any of us. When I got my cat she was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands, stomatitis, diarrhea...you name it). I have had her for three years and she has recovered from everything with the exception of stomatitis. She is roughly four years old and I sweated getting her past the three year mark and of course I am trying to ignore the 'five year theory' because I think we can all become victims of statistics and other people's consideration. I am coping by doing everything I can to help her live as comfortably as possible for as long as possible. She is doing fine. I'm the one who needs to do the work. Ignore the woman from the rescue group. Every FeLV kittten has its own path. Just keep loving them. Jane On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Avia Rauscher wrote: I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and IFA). The other two (Horus Blackie) have been vaccinated, and will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know why. Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up. Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI, part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to kick it. So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat with FeLV in the bone marrow is five
Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away
I am so sorry.and so glad you were there with him. He knew true love. On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:37 AM, James G Wilson wrote: Lyttle Guy passed away in my arms at 4:18am this morning. He had series of seizures and then gasped his last breath. He was truly loved and shall be dearly missed James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ethical assistance needed
Amen.I wouldn't have missed the opportunity to love and be loved by Dixie for anything. The three years we had were wonderful. Dixie was several years old when she came out of a pine thicket to get food with the ferals. Apparently, since she was spayed, she was thrown away at some time in her life. No one knows. All I know is that I was honored to care for her and give her everything I could during her last three years. FYI: She was not sick until a very few days before she left this world. She had regular vet care and holistic care from the best vets in the world, Middletown Animal Clinic and E. A. Boswell DVM. On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:27 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Nancy, I can only tell you from my experience and what my vet told me. they can be with negative cats as long as the negatives are up to date on their shots. I have 6 negatives and 2 positives and so far, they are healthy as can be, no signs of problems. as some on this group can tell you, positives can live long lives. my vet said that they may never show signs of illness and live to old age just like negatives. So, by all means, give them a chance for a good home, be up front with the adopters. They will benefit from having these babies with them. Mine have enriched my life and I would not give them up for anything. Dorlis Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Nancy, I can see no reason why you can not adopt them out with full disclosure. As someone else mentioned adopting them out in pairs if the home has no kitties would be a good idea. They would have a play companion. You could provide the FeLV link to potential adopter so they could learn more about FeLV. http://felineleukemia.org/ The WINN Foundation has a good paper on FeLV that you could provide as a handout. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf I'm one of those how mixes negatives and positives. All my negatives are vaccinated annually for FeLV. There really is no way of knowing how long a FeLV kitty will live. They deserve a loving home for however long they have. Sharyl --- On Sat, 12/19/09, nancy crandall kabinakenn...@gmail.com wrote: From: nancy crandall kabinakenn...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Ethical assistance needed To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 3:16 PM Hi, I was introduced to this list by a friend who is a cat rescuer. I am a newly placed member of the BOD of a local no kill rescue (dogs mostly). We find ourselves in a very sad predicament for which we have no past experience. We have a cat room with 15 cats all infected with feline leukemia.(they are isolated from all other animals) What is the current ethical guidelines concerning this sort of situation? Can we adopt them out with full disclosure to inside homes only with no other cats? Or is there too much of a chance that they will spread this illness on? Bottom line we would prefer that they were in homes but we are willing to allow them to live out their lives in the shelter as sanctuary if necessary. We do not want to euthanize them if at all possible. Nancy C. -- There are no bad dogs only ignorant owners. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ethical assistance needed
I would have no problem adopting them out with full disclosure. You cannot control the future. There are people in the world who would welcome a FeLV+ rescue, especially if they have one that needs a companion. If there are no other cats in the household, I would encourage the adoption of two cats (two really are easier than one) and there is no risk if both are known positives. I kept Dixie Louise separate from Kitty until Kitty developed terminal cancer. At that point, there was no reason to separate them and Kitty had company during her last months. Dixie had the wisdom of an older cat to enjoy too. Further, a lot of people are comfortable mixing FeLV+ cats with negatives. This should be their call, not yours. Do not personalize this. You are not responsible for what people chose to do as long as you give them the facts. On Dec 19, 2009, at 2:16 PM, nancy crandall wrote: Hi, I was introduced to this list by a friend who is a cat rescuer. I am a newly placed member of the BOD of a local no kill rescue (dogs mostly). We find ourselves in a very sad predicament for which we have no past experience. We have a cat room with 15 cats all infected with feline leukemia.(they are isolated from all other animals) What is the current ethical guidelines concerning this sort of situation? Can we adopt them out with full disclosure to inside homes only with no other cats? Or is there too much of a chance that they will spread this illness on? Bottom line we would prefer that they were in homes but we are willing to allow them to live out their lives in the shelter as sanctuary if necessary. We do not want to euthanize them if at all possible. Nancy C. -- There are no bad dogs only ignorant owners. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
She used lasers, flower essences, and some compounds I don't remember. She uses Standard Process produces and probiotics. Her name is Betty Boswell (E. A. Boswell) and can be reached at 502.499.9663. I believe she does telephone consultations. If you decide to call her (and if you like) you may tell her Marylyn referred you and that she is free to talk about Dixie Louise Doodle's case. On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Gloria Lane wrote: What treatment did your alternative vet use? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+. She was fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too, believe the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please try her. On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote: Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis. I'd never seen a huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him! Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to try steroid. I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a raw diet. He was actually physically and mentally excellent until we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the few days before we opted to have him eithanized. Janine From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used 1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well) 2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat) 3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent, kitty comes down with other things 4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as needed (worked pretty well) There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the name right now, have to look it up. It was pretty good. I'm sure there are some other options. As I understand, Stomatitis can be called by several different things... Best of luck, Gloria On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend? thanks, Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat
If he eats dry food, try slowing him down with a small (not too small) ball. If he has wet food, try smearing it in the bowl so he has to slow down. I would still add probiotics. On Dec 13, 2009, at 1:29 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: It could even just be that Harley swallows a lot of air with his food. Not sure how to deal with that... Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat Try giving him probiotics. They help with the gas. I've had that problem with young cats who have come in from the pine thicket. No idea why though unless there is a food allergy. In my cats' cases it may be the change of food and the (new) regularity of food. On Dec 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Harley is sleeping in my arm as i write, passing gas big time. he has done this before and you can smell it all the way across the room. any suggestions as to why? is he eating too fast? gets same food as Dee, Hill's kitten healthy development. Lord have mercy, i love him, but! dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+. She was fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too, believe the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please try her. On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote: Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis. I'd never seen a huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him! Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to try steroid. I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a raw diet. He was actually physically and mentally excellent until we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the few days before we opted to have him eithanized. Janine From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used 1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well) 2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat) 3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent, kitty comes down with other things 4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as needed (worked pretty well) There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the name right now, have to look it up. It was pretty good. I'm sure there are some other options. As I understand, Stomatitis can be called by several different things... Best of luck, Gloria On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend? thanks, Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat
Try giving him probiotics. They help with the gas. I've had that problem with young cats who have come in from the pine thicket. No idea why though unless there is a food allergy. In my cats' cases it may be the change of food and the (new) regularity of food. On Dec 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Harley is sleeping in my arm as i write, passing gas big time. he has done this before and you can smell it all the way across the room. any suggestions as to why? is he eating too fast? gets same food as Dee, Hill's kitten healthy development. Lord have mercy, i love him, but! dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caught The 2 Semi-Ferals!
Suggest they cover the cage so he thinks he is in a den. On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know I caught the male and female semi feral FeLV+ that I was talking about in the sanctuary post. Mama Cat and Dusty are now at the vet waiting to get fixed! However, Dusty didn't like his cage much and cut his little nose, poor baby. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
Just in case you haven't tried it, gently wrapping a cat in a nice, thick blanket helps. It may or may not calm the cat but it offers protection for the person. On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Debbie Bates wrote: OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only one who has had a hellion! But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!! Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never gets sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect his brain consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling session into carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never need life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing you. (I suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a transdermal option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and there and he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet trip, getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the times you realize that they're a lot smarter more determined then we humans are! Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us not to learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the meds into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me. Pill pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in between a couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then will just look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help. S, do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least one cat for whom pilling was a nightmare. I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking small pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty likes-ham, turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing it cause the cat will catch on after a couple of times. Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan Yalvac Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills. He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis. It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills. Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything. Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot manage to medicate a cat orally? On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: What are the pills? Gary Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: Hi, All, I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to med him through his mount, it didn't work at all. Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat? Thanks, Bugra ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
My opinion: It is very important to have the vet keep females (especially) after being spayed. I had two wonderful little girls spayed by two different vets. Both girls died three days afterwards. They were not related and the only known common factor was that they were dumped and came to the pine thicket behind my Mom's (the source of lots of ferals and several now inside cats). Now, I tell the vet straight up that I will not pick a female up for at least four days after surgery. I don't care if it costs me extra cash...I can't handle a repeat. They died within a very few months of each other. Frankly, I would rather let a male stay a couple of days too. Releasing a cat who is not up to par into a colony is just not what I want to do..live, experience, learn. Further, I don't permit the vets to vaccinate against everything at the same time as surgery and I have been blessed to find vets who understand that the cats I bring in are stressed and not from the best environmentsthey don't need a lot of additional stressors. On Dec 9, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Hmmm, maybe I will rethink the sanctuary idea. I don't want them to live a horrible life. Plus all the places I have contacted are full. I have an appointment to get the female fixed on the 22nd...a few days before that I have to start trying to catch her. I am getting a live trap. Shes friendly but you can't pick her up and put her in a cage. I am hoping they will keep her over the holiday to observe her and let her heal before I let her go back outside. I dont think its my place to make the choice to end her life...or the male cats life either. There are several people that care for them and feed them and its only those two cats that live there. I think I will just get them both fixed to prevent kittens and continue on with what we do. --- Frank Sue Koren Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:56:03 -0800 Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake venom about two years ago? Sue - Original Message - From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Agreed. Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM We have trapped two large groups. In each group one was FeLV+. None of the others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the colony. The other guy was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list had a negative living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He never tested positive. Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside and separate. Not the vet's decision. Yours. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long have they been living with that group of cats? We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for at least 4 years now. She and a small feral colony came with the house. Last year I tested her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for him and he was negative. So it really isn't that transmissible within a healthy adult population. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother and father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed. I went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed and they want me to euthanize them instead
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
I may get jeered at but.have you tried an animal communicator? On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote: survivor - yes...Little - HA! if ONLY! ;-) Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog) Coebieo (the other cat) have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one! And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads! The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. That has come from his independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at night. It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The tully part of his name comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that he had managed to get into only to have them close back on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on everything! Thanks for the imput tho! T --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shots For FeLV+ Kittens?
My boys are negative but I stretched their shots out and were very selective about which ones they got. My vets approved this given that they were indoor kittens after they adopted me. Prior to that they were very young ferals. I waited as long as I could to neuter them but there were signs they were ready to mark their territory. I had them done on the same day to keep from upsetting balance of power they had established. On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Crystal Proper wrote: Just wanted to thank everyone again for the kind words about my baby I lost a week ago, Nibbler. I have some questions about his two brothers Brillo and Desmond. They are in great health with no symptoms. Is it a good idea to get FeLV+ kittens their shots? Also, in a month they will be old enough to get fixed, should I do that as well? Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Consider using PetzLife Brush Away or an additive to the cat's water that helps with teeth too since the cat has a history of dental problems. Hi Caroline. Good to know you are still around. On Nov 20, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a non-positive (just a regular old cat- except that he was my first foster and has literally helped foster every cat I have taken in!) that is missing a little tooth on his bottom jaw and another is barely hanging on. It's always been like that- he's only 2. Don't know when he lost it. But he was 2 months when I acquired him as a very sickly, kill animal shelter rescue brought into a no kill rescue, with exposure to everything probably. Started his life on antibiotics and fighting a recurring upper respiratory infection. I eventually fostered and lost 3 other kittens rescued along with him that separately all succumbed to FIP (1 to wet, 2 to dry). Anyway, my boy has no gum disease whatsoever but his vet said it's highly likely he could lose all teeth before middle age. Just due to a rough start in life. It seems to make sense that- altho he's a healthy horse now- when his milk teeth were falling out and being replaced with his adult teeth- he was at his sickest, not getting nutrition, etc., so those adult teeth were not being formed in the best possible circumstances. My vet said this is actually more common than you would think in cats who didn't get adequate COLOSTRUM from their mother through nursing, if any at all :( (this would also be why I love my vet so much-- b/c he talks about colostrum and how important it is!). And remember that all cats have milk teeth they lose naturally and most actually swallow them-- which is totally fine and natural. Altho I did find one of my newest kitten's milk canine on the bed and I felt like I had found a buried treasure! After having so many cats in my life-- kittens, fosters, geriatrics!, this was the first tooth I ever actually found Anyway, I guess my point is that the process of cats losing their teeth for whatever reason, whether it's milk teeth, or due to gingivitis, if it's not actually affecting the cat as far as eating and what not, it's a much more natural process that occurs more than we know (geriatrics regularly lose teeth even if you've kept up with their regular teeth cleaning). It's a much more natural process than us losing our teeth! And with a positive cat, truly the main thing is to minimize their stress-- it's the golden rule of having a positive. So assuming no detrimental effects of letting nature take it's course, I would advocate leaving the teeth alone (of course, following vet's advice for cleaning and treating an active infection). I personally would avoid having a positive's teeth pulled as much as possible. As even avoiding anesthetic if you can in a positive is important. The process of losing teeth for cats is not a big event like for us so I don't think we should do anything to turn it into a stressful event for them! That's my two cents. Caroline Kaufmann Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:12:48 -0500 From: dtshr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
Re: [Felvtalk] re loose teeth- but not really
On Nov 20, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: nn I think my message was too long with the threads prior, so I am re- posting only it. Of course I am still around! Busy with work tho mostly :( I'm on Facebook with a lot of felv members and that's how I mostly keep up with them. I also violated all the rules and became a traitor- rescuing and keeping a monster dog I found abandoned near my work. And horror of horrors...are you ready for this? I don't think you are! He's likely a pit, rott mix and started out as a clear predator. And here I am with cats. And he was like, yummy, mommy filled her house with prey! I took him in in March and the first 6 mths of my becoming a dog person was HELL ON EARTH! I prayed to Monkee every night! He sucked up all of my non-work time, so in no way did I feel it was right or fair to bring any fosters into the house until I had the beast more de-sensitized to cats and I already felt like I was neglecting my Yoda cat. And I had no time for fosters anyway b/ c the 48 lbs of shear muscle required his daily runs, weekend trips to the park for trail running, taking him to obedience classes, tons of at home training and working to integrate him with my moms dogs and by integrate- I really mean, not kill my moms dogs, and time spooning his mommy on the couch. All in all, it was the hardest thing I have ever done...become a real dog person. Actually I pretty much became a dog trainer. I had to! I named him Normandee (Normandy)- the double ee a tribute to The Monkee of course. As horrible as that all sounds, he's never gotten a cat, the cats are fine with him, he's pretty de-sensitized to them but we have some more work to do as new cats to him-- it's like, oh I can't eat mommy's cat, but that one is for me! And it's not like me, Normandee and Yoda are all spooning together on the couch or anything. UGH. Cats are so much easier-- and this is coming from someone who had four die in my arms...I mean really. I have told Normandee not to ever make me chose b/c he will lose out! He took that to heart and has done nothing but accept the structure and training with undying love. It honestly surprises even me when I look back on how much I have accomplished with this dog and to realize that nothing is impossible. Our dog trainer is always singing my praises because she admits that even she wouldn't have taken on a dog like him, but the turn-around I have worked so hard for is nothing short of amazing. Now that the beasty is under control, I have a brand spanking new foster cat (after not fostering for a year)...a white and black female tuxie-- similar markings to Monkee. She's been living outside and had a tipped ear so I knew she'd been spayed by likely the fix-only and re-release group so I was on pins and needles when she went for vetting. I think me, the vet and the tech were all scared of the results since she had been outside and only fixed...the chances of a positive test are so much higher. And for me, gosh, I was having flash backs to Monkee's first vet visit b/c her markings are so like his...and the vet's face when she came back in the room and I just started crying, I was like, I can't go through this again with a cat that looks like him! Thankfully, all her tests are negative!!! Now I just have to work on the slow introduction to my two monsters- Yoda and his adopted brother Smokey that I took in in August when my best friend found two kittens in her garage, she kept one, despite being allergic to cats and I agreed to foster Smokey to adoption but I don't believe neither Yoda or I can part with him now. They are my Yin and Yang. And I felt bad for Yoda living the life of the cat that fosters other cats and becoming best friends with fosters, only to have them either die or be adopted! I felt bad for his revolving door life. Smokey is still a kitten so I have not yet neutered him and he is an alpha male like no other. The dogs are afraid of him (ironically, that includes the beast dog)! So I will end 2009 with NO losses-- be it due to felv, fip or beast dog-- and knowing I saved 4 lives this year (3 cats, and 1 dog from hell), and got one kitten adopted without even lifting a finger other than to type a few emails (one of my foster's parent's saw a kitten on the rescue site and wanted my help connecting her with the powers that be to adopt her)...and I have to say it feels really good!!! Monkee works in the most mysterious ways. I have learned to just go with it and not question it too much. How else would I end up with a pit/rott, gargoyle-looking, mommy's-baby dog!? I hope everyone is doing well. Find me on facebook if you are on there! caroline kaufmann _ Hotmail:
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
You might try to add a little pumpkin to his food. Real canned pumpkin, not pie filling. I keep several cans on hand because of the ferals at Mom's. Most are not touchable and you can only do what you can do for them. My vets use psyllium (just a pinch). On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him? When I first got my positive kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody) diarrhea, and I tried every food I could. The only thing that stopped it was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other ingredients). She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several times. She had been through so much up to that point and that was my last resort -- but it worked! I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she was miserable until I started feeding her the raw. Feline's Pride is one of the best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped. Nature's Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though. It might be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel Disease. Good luck, my heart goes out to you. Tracey On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
I have to chime in on the raw food. I started cooking for Dixie after the cat/dog food scare a few years ago and no longer feed my kept cats any thing with grain. The ferals get Purina dry and canned (I don't know of any recalls involving their products). I discovered Primal Raw and served it to Dixie a lot and to Copper and Thomas several times a week. They get cooked chicken frequently, especially for snacks. Dixie did wonderfully on it and so are the the boys. It comes in one oz cubes that can be thawed and served with or without veggies added (Dixie liked spinach and/or broccoli chopped and added). I'm vegetarian and find this easier than grinding. There are other frozen brands available too. The Primal Raw is species specific. It is more expensive and, with two large male cats, I am rethinking the home-made issue. Dixie was Felv+. The boys aren't. On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Grrr went to the bridge...
He may have considered you jerks...or at least people to be put in their place...serving him...but I suspect he loved you in his own way. Blessings to you for caring for him even with his difficult personality. On Nov 18, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Amy Ackerman wrote: I haven't posted much since Grrr was diagnosed back in the spring, but I have been reading and learning. Sadly, my big nasty boy stopped eating a couple of weeks ago. He spent a week at the vets receiving fluids which perked him up a bit, but he would deteriorate quickly when the IV was stopped. My husband and I spent a long time with him on Monday evening, and he made it plain to us that he was tired and ready to go. We stayed with him while he was sent to sleep, and true to his nature he bit the vet and myself one more time for good measure on the way out. It sounds a little twisted, but none of us could stop laughing about that in the moments after he was gone- wiping away tears all the while. It was as if he was talking to us- I'm ready to go; thanks for the good times, and don't you ever forget who the boss is here, you jerks!We should all be lucky enough to have our parting message be heard so clearly by our loved ones. We miss his big nasty self around here. The dog and the other cats have been walking on egg shells, testing their new limits carefully, as if they expect him to pop around a corner at any second and reestablish his dominance. The other cats still will not go near his bed or food dish. The dog, who weighs 140 lbs., still will not enter Grrr's favorite room. Even in absentia he is respected. To all of you who contribute to this list, thank you so very much. I have no doubt that the knowledge I gained here added time and quality to Grrr's life, and I've shared much of what I've learned with my vet, who has been eagerly absorbing the information; other FeLV+ cats in my area will benefit from my experience with Grrr. Thanks again all. Sleep easy, my good boy. We miss you more than words can say. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
First, lessen the stress on him and on yourself and give him and the others the best food possible. Rescue Remedy and Feliway may help you and the kittens. Second, enjoy every minute you have with these babies. Don't look at calenders and wonder what if when or have self-doubts (almost impossible but try). Every one starts dying the minute they take their first breath. Make life as easy and fun and comfortable as you can for all you care about. Nibbler and his sibblings have a hard row ahead of them but think what their lives would be like if you and your husband hadn't cared? Dixie Louise lived 3 years when the vets were betting a much shorter time. She had everything I thought she might possibly want (with the exception of mice to chase and, had I known she was going to leave so suddenly, I might have gotten her the mice). She was full grown when she came into my life as a throw- away. She was the most wonderful little girl and I would not trade one second with her for anything. That time is well worth the pain. If you have a holistic vet in your area, seek her help. Dixie had her regular vets who are marvelous and she had a great holistic vet, Betty Boswell. I credit the combination of styles for her happy life. Blessings to you, your husband and the kittens. On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Considering Adopting Felv have ?'s
Consider a combination of holistic and regular vet care for your new friend. I really believe it helped Dixie. A month after Dixie left this world, she sent me a kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Two weeks later she sent me another. Both boys see a holistic vet as did Dixie and, like Dixie until a few days before she left this world, are extremely healthy. Dixie lived three years (she was full grown when she came into my life and had been on her own for a long time before that). I know of several cats who have reached 10-15 years. Listen to this group. Listen to your heart. Enjoy every wonderful moment with the little one. On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Allison Shenk wrote: Hi, Im in touch with a rescue group and am considering adopting a cat diagnosed with Felv. Actually, I already told the gal I'd take the cat. . . so NOW I'm doing my homework! LOL Do I have to worry about people coming into my home, whether they handle the cat or not, going back home and risking giving it to their cat? I understand that the disease progresses differently for each cat. What is considered, on average, the lifespan of a cat with Felv. It won't affect my decision, I just want to be somewhat prepared. Thanks ahead of time! _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea? ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LCTI, etc.
If home made isn't an option, there are several commercial raw foods including Primal Raw that Dixie loved mixed with veggies and my boys love plain. This is a frozen diet, in cubes that are so easy. There are dried raw diets available too. A Google search should turn them up as should conversations with pet store personnel. On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, My positive kitty, Sylvia, has been largely asymptomatic for a month or two now, and has only had one bout of immune suppression since testing positive (a sore in her mouth, which was taken care of with antibiotics and went away quickly). She is positive on both the snap and IFA tests. My five- month-old kitten, Beatrice, was negative as of a month or so prior to being vaccinated. I'm feeding both kitties a mix of Wellness Indoor Health, Wellness Kitten Health and Evo; Sylvia has actually put on weight (1/2 a pound) and looks good. Bea is growing like a weed and very energetic, but has intermittent issues with diarrhea and flatulence. The vet thinks it might be that the high-quality food is too much for her system, but I'm wondering if we might need to re-test her for giardia (which she had when she came to me) and do another snap test for FLV. The vet wants to wait at least six months from the first FLV snap test before we test her again. What are your thoughts on this? I want to test her early and put her on LCTI if she's positive; if there's a chance that she's positive but can beat the virus with some medical help, I'd like to give her that chance. And if she's still dealing with giardia (after several rounds of antibiotics she shouldn't be), I'd like to get that totally cleared up. Luckily, Sylvia doesn't seem to have contracted it. Diarrhea has only been an issue for her when she's been on oral antibiotics. Also: Sylvia periodically throws up immediately after eating. It's something she's done since young kittenhood and it happens every other week or so, sometimes slightly more often, sometimes way less (she occasionally goes a month or two without it happening). Is this vomiting something I need to be concerned about? It's only right after she's eaten and doesn't seem to affect her appetite, bowel movements or behavior. These two are my first pets as an adult (I'm only 23 and a first-year graduate student); I'm doing my best to do right by them. It's a wonderful thing to have this forum to turn to when I'm feeling confused about something. The girls and I both thank you heartily in advance for your advice! All best, Anna, Sylvia and Beatrice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie's not acting normal, advice is appreciated
Have you thought about making her some chicken soup? Needless to say, nothing canned but a few pieces of chicken stewed/crockpoted (my favorite for Copper and Thomas) with maybe a little extra salt to make her thirsty? On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:33 PM, TANYA NOE wrote: Jenny, Thanks, Maggie is to get the interferon 7 days on and 7 days off. She is on her 3rd day off. I have gotten her to eat some today but she still hasn't had anything to drink. I have given her wet food off and on all day as opposed to her dry. Wet is usually a small amount daily but I figured it has more moisture in it so... I checked out her paw this am. No sores I can see, no swollen spots, no hot areas, though she did seem tender where her toes attach. I'm torn. Don't want her to get dehydrated. Last time she was sick we almost lost her and I am nowhere near ready for that. I know we decided her quality was more important than her quantity but she is still my baby and I love her. Anyway thanks again. Tanya --- On Sun, 11/15/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie's not acting normal, advice is appreciated To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 6:22 PM Hello Tanya, I can't blaim you for being nervous about odd behavior in a felv cat. Interferon can cause side effects in humans that can actually lead to cessation of treatment, they can include gastrointestinal disturbances, depression, sleep disturbances, irritability, and flu like symptoms. These are usually more mild in cats. Interferon is sometimes given three days on and three days off which can help with these side effects. The felv cat that I treatment with interferon has very mild change in appetite and energy on the days she gets the medication. With the limp, I would be concerned about infection. Inspect the paw to see if there are any swollen areas, red areas, hot areas or extremely sensitive areas. If so there is likely are infection. Usually these are fairly easly to treat with irrigation of the area and then antibiotics. Would need to see the vet for irrigation. Good luck, Jenny On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello all, my Maggie now 1 year 5 months old has been Felv+ since birth. She is the kitten we adopted after testing her for everything under the sun to protect our 13 year old Sasha. She later became symptomatic (gingivitis, vomiting, diarrhea, swollen lymph nodes) and was retested and was positive. Anyway we kept her and her symptoms resolved except for the swollen lymph nodes. She has also tested positive on the IFA. Early spring she had an episode where she began hiding for a couple days, quit eating, and then began abdominal breathing. Turned out the pleural sacs around her lungs were full of fluid. She was given lasix and in a day was herself. Since then she has been a relatively healthy, happy kitty. 3 weeks ago I took her and her sister in for vaccines, exams, and blood work. They had a hard time getting blood from her (couldn't hit the vein) and she got quite stressed. The blood work was perfect and she seemed fine after we got home. We started her on Interferon a week ago. Now suddenly the last week she has been sleeping all the time under blankets (she doesn't like being covered up), not eating much (very odd for her as she is a food hound and will eat constantly if you let her), and not drinking much (she usually drinks and bathes in the pet fountain several times a day). Her temp is normal. Thursday we noticed she now is holding up her left front paw. She walks on it and the limp is mild. Any ideas? Has anyone seen any sides effects with interferon? Would it make her feel bad? I'm hesitant to run her to the Dr's. and create further stress but am really worried about her. These guys go downhill so fast sometimes I don't want to wait either. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Demetri and Yule Please add to the CLS :(
Bless you for loving these little ones. On Nov 12, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: MY heart is very heavy tonight.We lost two of the most sweet loving boys. Demetri,he was on of my special boys from the day he arrived at Sids 3 1/2 years ago.He was so shy and would hide behind the couch.I would sit there and talk lightly to him until he would slowly walk around and over to me so I could pet him.I then brought in the heavy artillary Temnptations treats!! He has been putty in my hands ever since.He had the sweetest most beautiful face,as he gazed up at me with the most beautiful green eyes.I will FOREVER remember that face.Rip my wonderful baby Demetri :( Yule,oh handsome baby Yule,he would have been with us 3 years next month.We almost lost him several times but he seemed to want to stay with us. :) Now they both are in a safer disease free place.Rip Yule. :( We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey
Try Rescue Remedy in Spicey's water and the water of your other cats. Also add Willow (another Bach Remedy) and Feliway spray. I've tried the room atomizer but don't care for it. I have had wonderful luck with the Feliway spray and so have my vets. Don't press Spicey. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (FeLV-) took about three months to come out from under the couch and be comfortable. I slept on the floor most of that time to reduce my threat to her (size, ability to move etc). Do the best you can to relax yourself. Your stress, which is very understandable, transfers to all the cats. Give them all the best food you can and follow your heart on supplements. The first stop I made after determining that Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP was going to stay in this world was to a wonderful holistic vet named Betty Boswell. She worked with my regular vets, Middletown Animal Clinic, and Dixie lived three wonderful, healthy years. She had everything possible during her life.a big bed, doll, travel, love.but there was stress too. Dixie was a throw-away that showed up in the pine thicket behind my Mom's. She was several years old then and, from the looks of her, I suspect she was not planning on staying in this world. Love, which was mutual, seems to have turned things around. Most of all, don't count the days. Throw the calender away. No one knows how long they will live so just live in the moment. Honest. It is difficult but you have taken the first step. Listen to the people on this list and follow your heart. Not everyone agrees and not everything works for everyone. The knowledge and comfort here is great. Blessings to you for caring for this little one. On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, stargazer 12 wrote: A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey
Another thought: Watch Spicey's teeth and gums. Not right now obviously but when things settle down. Yes, you can get a cat used to having its mouth opened. Good dental practices are important. Dixie had stomatitis and we treated it with Petzlife Brush Away (put a little in the cat's mouth and he will spread it around). Regular gum/ teeth checks will help you catch any anemia problems. They hit Dixie suddenly. On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Joyce, you are an angel for giving Spicey a home - doing this for both Spicey and your friend. Do you have something of your friends that you can put in the room with him so something smells familiar? That might comfort him if you can do that. Does he have a good hiding place available in the room where you have him? Access to a window to look out? He will explore...he may wait until no one is around. He is getting accustomed to the smells and sounds of your house. Clavamox for a year is a long time. Wonder if you might be able to find another vet who knows about FeLV. I had two FeLV+ cats who lived to ages 16 and 22 years of age. Does he have symptoms - sneezing, runny eyes, snotty nose, diarrhea? I believe you will be blessed by this kitty in the same way that he has been blessed by you. Feed him the best food you can afford. Preferably a good canned food. My FeLV kitties weren't on any treatments or supplements. We did use interferon with another FeLV+ cat my niece rescued. She is the picture of health. She was quite sick when rescued (as an adult) but is maintaining well on interferon. We did have her on antibiotics for a brief time and pain killers and prednisone for about 1 1/2 years before transitioning to just interferon. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of stargazer 12 Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
You will receive wonderful advise from this boardmuch better than I can give you. My story is that a wonderful throw-away showed up at Mom's. Due to some problems (read two dead cats at two different vets) in a very short time, I took the little girl to my personal vets (Middletown Animal Clinic) in Louisville, KY to be spayed and taken to my farm. Dixie, as she soon became known, was FELV+. Greg Bishop called with the blood test results and you could hear his heart in his mouth. I knew nothing about FELV but he and Steve Koehler talked me through it. We came up with a way to keep Dixie that involved me sleeping in a garage with her at my mother's, then moving her to a single wide then to a farm house + a home in Louisville. She was my darling for three years, healthy and happy until a little bite before she left this world and broke my heart. She had everything..All of this is to say, don't listen to the people who tell you there is no quality of lifeI promise you, no cat lived the life Dixie lived. Don't watch a calendarwe all start dying the minute we take our first breath and no one knows when we will leave this world.Don't grieve..you have wonderful lives in your hands. Learn from them. Accept them. Let them give to you and, in turn, give to them. I give credit to my holistic vet, Betty Boswell, for helping keep Dixie health and happy. Between Middletown Animal Clinic and Betty I had the best of all support. If you have a holistic vet, please contact her/him for support. For me, a mixture of styles work. You have to chose. Dixie left this world in June 2008. In July, over a period of two weeks, Dixie sent me two very healthy kittens from the pine thicket she came from. Copper and Thomas Cougar live with me now and have taken my grief and turned it to joy. Listen to the people on this board who have faced this time and time again. I have once. I don't ever want to again because it is an awful thing. However, had either boy been FELV+ or if any future kitten/cat comes my way with this problem...well, we'll get through it together. On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: Hello..I'm new to the group. I am a bit embarrassed about posting and asking for your expertise. Each of the postings I have read seems to indicate you are all actively involved in opening your hearts and homes to rescue kittens, and my little FeLV+ family was recently purchased from a breeder. My husband and I have had rescue cats and kittens all our lives, and recently we fell in love with two Bengal kittens, brother and sister, from a local breeder. We purchased them and once home, realized we had major socialization issues to overcome, new to us. We have no other pets. Once having (almost) mastered that, with a great sense of accomplishment we took them to our office vet (our regular vet has a housecall practice) for their spaying and neutering procedures. During the pre-op blood work, it was discovered they are both FeLV positive. We were devastated, as my only experience with the disease quite some time ago was not at all positive. A lot has taken place in the field since that earlier experience, and I'm trying to educate myself on this disease, so please correct me where I don't understand what I'm talking about. The first test (is this what is meant by the snap test?), indicated the presence of FeLV, and a subsequent test sent out to a lab on the blood serum also indicated the presence of FeLV. An additional blood test determined the disease is not in the bone marrow of either kitten at this time. They will be 8 months old mid-November. I began a web search which brought me to this group, and also introduced me to LTCI, which we started last weekend. At this point in time, they are in generally excellent health, very energetic, and have good appetites (the male will only eat RadCat organic raw turkey, the female is eating Wellness wet.both eat Wellness kitten kibble). They both have indications of gum disease, something I understand is not unusual with this diagnosis, and the male very infrequently has a cough that sounds like a hairball, but is not productive. An X-ray during his neuter procedure indicated nothing unusual, but it concerns me, primarily now because I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop since the FeLV+ diagnosis. Given the background above, in addition to the LTCI, would any of you suggest other steps we might take to assure these little kittens stay as healthy as possible for as long as possible? Many thanks. Sara F Kasteleyn CIC Research, Inc. 8361 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 T - 858-637-4000 F - 858-637-4040 skastel...@cicresearch.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??
This is concerning your safety and not the well-being of your wonderful cat who is having an awful time: Be very careful about those bites. Perhaps you can get some heavy leather gloves? I had a feral that I was taking to be spayed bite my little finger. She broke it and I had to have two surgeries, one to fix the finger and another to fix the infection that developed despite a lot of high powered antibiotics. The cat was defending herself and not at fault at all. However, had this been reported as is required in a lot of places, I know she would have been killed. Put this in the back of your mind when dealing with your little one. I wish I had some answers for her problems and hope you find some here. Blessings to you for loving her and trying to help her. She really can't help her behavior. On Nov 1, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Kim wrote: Jenny and other forum members, too, I have a young cat with CH, lymphoid hypoplasia and now severe asthma. She has weakened greatly in her hind legs and back. My vet has not been able to get her asthma under control. She has spells or fits and will get very very violent with us. She does this while wheezing but she also has those fits when I put her in her potty or when I put her in her cat carrier to take her to the vet. She has had several very bad fits where she will bite me, anything she can get a hold of. She has bitten me so badly, down to the bone, on two of my fingers. They are now swollen and very painful. She has done this to my husband too. These fits she keeps having is NOT a behavior my precious cat is known for. She is the sweetest most loving cat ever! My vet mentioned that she might have fluid on her brain. I don't understand this but I hate seeing my baby like this. Most of the time I am unable to help her. She fits worse if I put her in her carrier to take her to the vet. If I carry her she bites me badly. I am also unable, in most cases to get a prednisone pill down her when she is starts out having a fit. All I am able to do is cry and stay beside her until she gets over it. Even though she is only one year and four months old I am thinking about allowing her to pass. My question to you is; is it easier for the cat to be put to sleep at the vet or to die at home? I really need to know what to expect. I love her so much and if I see her having a painful death I will go even more crazy! Currently she eats very little and I have been syringe feeding her. I know that if she doesn't eat she will get liver disease. I have a cat with liver disease before and it is a very hard thing to watch when they cannot stand up and when they are feeling so sick. I was able to save my cat who suffered from the liver disease but I don't know if I can knowing let my cat get the disease and pass away in that manner. Jenny, I am so sorry for your loss. It is one of the hardest things we, as pet owners, go through in life. Did your cat pass away peacefully once you stopped feeding her? Thanks for your answers. I know this is such a hard time for you and so sorry for asking you these questions at this time. I had written to this group about a month or so ago about her not being able to get in the litter box any more and fighting me when I put her in it. I had her urine checked and she was fine. I truly do think something has gone wrong in her mind but this is something totally new that I am going through and I don't know what to expect. Kim ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet... One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn?? Hey Alice, Thanks for asking. Actually, Autumn stopped eating again last week and I found a large (3-4 inch) mass in her abdomen. I knew it was a large lymphoma so I let her stop eating and she died two days ago. I miss her deeply. She was so young and vital so full of life and love. I sincerely believe the Imulan and ambrotose could have save her life if I had started it earlier. I wish someone had told me about it before she was knocking at death's door. It is likely she had the lymphoma at the time I started treating her. Her bone marrow was resonding and so I am devastated I didn't start earlier, but I did the best with the knowledge I had at the time. I am so glad yours are doing well. It sounds like you have started early enough and they have a chance. I am so grateful for that. It seems that this is an illness that needs to be treated when there are few or no signs or symptoms only a positive test. When we wait, it is too late. It is
Re: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...
If you have access to a holistic vet, check in with her/him. Mine, Betty Boswell, kept Dixie Louise healthy and happy. Betty works well with my regular vets who are wonderful too. The combination worked miracles for three absolutely wonderful years then something through Dixie into anemia in a matter of a couple of days and she left this world. There are a number of supplements, including colostrum, that the holistic recommend. Provide the best food you can (it sounds like you are doing this) and all the love you have. Do not count the days or look at a calendar. You do not know the future. You, as well as the cats, started dying the day you were born. We all are going to die sometime. Accept it and live and enjoy every day you have with your wonderful family. I learned a lot from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (who died from non-FeLV cancer) and Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP. The ability to recognize the mortality of ourselves and those we love is difficult but, when done, frees us to love so much more completely and without fear of the future. Bless you and your little friends. On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Anna Waltman wrote: Hi everyone, I've been lurking around for the last day or two reading your posts. My darling Sylvia, the first cat I have owned as an adult, just tested positive for FLV on both the in-office and IFA tests. She's one of my best friends and I'm devastated; she was negative as a kitten and has lived inside for most of her life (as a little baby, she was a stray-- I adopted her from the SPCA at five months, and I know she was there for a while before I adopted her). She was given a confident all-clear by my former vet to move with me to Massachusetts and live in a multiple-cat household less than three months ago. Upon moving, it became obvious that Sylvia doesn't like being left alone in the apartment for long periods of time (prior to our move, we lived with my retired parents and their two dogs so she was almost never home alone). I decided to adopt a kitten, Beatrice, a few weeks after we moved in, after Sylvia had gotten comfortable in the apartment. So when Sylvia started meowing strangely and acting a little lethargic, I assumed it was a kitty flu but took her to the vet anyway, just to be safe, and tested her just to be absolutely sure she was still negative. What a horrible surprise. She's been living with Bea for a month or two now and they're best friends; they wrestle all the time, share food bowls, groom each other, etc. I feel sick with guilt about bringing a young kitten into a house with a FLV+ cat, and now chances are I have two positive cats to care for. Our current vet is wonderful, though, and she feels that if we vaccinate Bea ASAP and keep a close eye on Sylvia (treating her problems as they arise), there's a good chance we can keep both of them healthy for a long time. She says she has other patients and co-workers with FLV+ and negative cats living in the same household who never pass it to each other. I'm feeding them a mix of Wellness and Innova ENVO and giving the kitten multivitamins to boost her immune system and help her fight off the exposure. I'm a young graduate student in an MA/PhD program and I don't have a ton of money. These kitties had been the most stable thing in my life and this diagnosis is totally eating me up, from the inside out. I love them to pieces and want to be the best cat-parent I can to my girls (having chronic illnesses myself that significantly increase my risk of certain health problems, I'm as empathic about this as anyone). The horrible potential of this disease breaks my heart every time I think about it. My childhood cat passed away a few months before I got Sylvia, and I can't bear to lose another one like that (he was very sick for a long time before he died, but we don't know what it was. Could've been FLV or FIV; he wasn't tested every year, though he was vaccinated. He was indoor/outdoor and a fighter). What do you wish you had known when your cat was first diagnosed, if anything? If there is any advice people have, I would appreciate it, and as I gain experience caring for my girls I will share what has worked and what hasn't with anyone who asks. Many thanks and best wishes to you and your families, furry and otherwise. Anna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
Both the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP left this world on their own. If I ever have the opportunity to let one leave this way I will. I will not let one suffer but I will (try) not to impose my own pian on their bodies. Put yourself in the little one's place and see what you would want. Both my girls hated the vets. My decision and theirs was right for them. Permit them a cool place as well as a warm place. Kitty and Ebony wanted to be cool. I don't know what the explaination is and it really doesn't matter. Blessings to you for carrying. You are cared for in return. On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Christy Buchin wrote: Lorrie, I am so sorry for your heart ache. Is there any time for a blood transfusion? When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat was down to a HCT of 9 at one point), he said they become very lethargic and just get tired and weak and eventually pass. I wish you the very best!! I am so sorry! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?OCID=0809TL-HM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Belinda
Have you looked at colostrum On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Lora wrote: Belinda, Thanks for your reply. You are the only one who did. I sincerely appreciate it. I realize that some cats are more difficult to pill that others. Thank God I have conditioned my kids to take their meds. Granted some do resist, but they have learned that if they do not take their meds, they did not get their wet cat food. Once they realize that, they eventually warm up to the idea. They REALLY want their wet cat food; therefore, the sacrifice is worth the reward. And that is EXACTLY they way I play it off. I reward them with their wet cat food for taking their meds. I call it praise, they call it treats! However, you cannot just spontaneously start pilling a cat, especially if it is an older generic cat who has never been pilled before. You need to slowing introduce the producer to them, otherwise you will risk stressing out the cat and possibly scarring them for life. If pilling the cat becomes a frightening experience for them, they will definitely remember that and the you will most likely never be able to pill them again. I introduced my pilling method to the kids when they were very young; therefore, they have grown up with the idea of being pilled. However, for those who were permanently adopted into our multi-cat household in their later years had to slow warm up to the understanding of being pilled. For these cats, effective pilling was not an immediate over-night success. It took time and loving patience. Cats can be trained, thus the idea of the litter box, therefore, they can be trained to accept pilled medication without fear, stress or discomfort just as long as the pet-guardian realized to take the efforts in stride. Do everything on the cats terms. Never force them. If they refuse their medication, withhold the treat. Do not starve the cat as punishment for not taking their medicating. Instead, withhold their FAVORITE food item. Offer THAT when introducing the pill. They will being to socialize that particular treat with medication and will quickly realize that it is ONLY offered when medication is administered. Cats are extremely quick-minded and fast learners. Eventually they will put two and two together. After the treat method has been completely successful, the pet- guardian can do the bait and switch method with the treat. Gradually ween the cat from its favorite treat to their favorite flavor of wet cat food. Eventually, the pet-guardian will be administering the proper medication during actual meal-time instead of during treat-time. However, if the bait and switch method never successfully works out, and with some cats it won't as most generic cats hate food and/or environmental change, just simply bite the bullet and stick with the treat/med method. Use what works best for your cat. Remember you want the cat to LIKE being pilled; therefore, if the cat is happy with the reward he/she will be happy to be pilled. Belinda, regarding Fred with his potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus, would that not cause him to be prone to developing Struvite crystals (magnesium, ammonium, phosphate)? I did not know this about cranberries. What is D-Mannose? I have also read that a dietary supplement called D,L-methionine may be used to alter urinary pH. And a dietary supplement called Cosequin® (containing glucosamine) is advocated by some practitioners to reduce pain and inflammation in the bladders of cats with FLUTD. http://drbarchas.com/flutd Do you know anything about this? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Lora, I don't have an positives left, Bailey was my last and I lost him in 2006. I do however have a furkid with HCM and one with CRF a heart murmur. I do know that taurine and CoQ-10 are good for the heart and lysine is good over all for the immune system. My cats aren't great about getting pills, so I only give them what they absolutely need. Joey get benazapril and amlodipine for his HCM. Fred gets the same for his high blood pressure and heart murmur, plus he gets potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus. All 5 of mine, get a vit b shots once a week too. I can get away with giving them that because that is an injection, not a pill. The only thing I probably wouldn't use is the cranberry. According to the CRF site that I read for answers when Fred is am having problems. This is not a vets site only a person who has been for many years collecting info and who has many years of experience with CRF. Not only her experiences but a CRF group with over 1200 members and another CRF group she is a member of with over 11,000 members, I am a member of both groups. This site is an accumulation of all those years and members experiences. This
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Colostrum?
Yes. It has a lot of immune/healing boosters in it for animals and people alike. I know of one elderly lad who broke an arm and healed like a teenage thanks to this and I have holistic vets who recommend it. Sorry, I thought the inquiry was into dietary supplements. On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Lora wrote: Colostrum?! As in first milk or immune milk? What has that got to do with anything? --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: Have you looked at colostrum? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My New Kitty
You may have her a lot longer than you think. Dixie stayed with me 3 years and there are others who have had pos cats a lot longer than that. Keep her as stress free and as well fed as you can and she may reward you with many, many years.I pray so. Bless you for making the right decision for this little one. On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:31 AM, D.S.Louis wrote: Brought my new kitty home from the pound on Sat and found out this morning she is Feline pos. WE were given the choice to return her or have her put to sleep..orbring her home.. WE decided to bring her home...Although we may only have her for a short time...She will be loved and cared for with no regrets She is a beautiful Siamese..and about 2 yrs old...and gas all ready brought much joy to our lives... Cherokee A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How to long to separate negative/positive kitties?
My holistic vet prescribed various meds to reduce stress including Rescue Remedy and Feliway. Perhaps yours has some ideas along those lines? On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: Hi Iva, I just wanted to tell you how much I can relate to your dilemma. Last year, I brought Tommy home and successfully introduced him to his new brother and sister, only to find out that he was FeLV+. I was given the same two options - separate or euthanize. I can only tell you what I did. I tried separating, but like what is happening in your home, everyone was unhappy about it. I took Tommy to a holistic vet and she told me that separation is stressful to everyone, and this can make it easier for the virus to take over and make Tommy sick. So what I decided to do is NOT separate, keep everyone vaccinated against FeLV (except Tommy), and keep stress to a minimum. Almost a year later, Tommy is showing no signs of illness, and he just turned a year old. My others also show no signs of illness, and I plan to get them tested when they go back to the vet this year, and boosted for FeLV vaccine if they are still negative. I think you said in your other post that they have been living together for a while? And they are still negative? That tells me that they have mature immune systems that are capable of fighting off the virus. It is likely that they will stay negative. Hope that helps, Lisa - Original Message - From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:29 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] How to long to separate negative/positive kitties? Thank you everyone for the warm welcome! It was very reassuring to read all of your posts, especially those with multi-cat mixed households. I spoke to the vet this morning and she was actually ok with my decision, but she wants me to keep my positive kitty isolated for now. She didn't say how long, though I know she is hoping for indefinitely. We are putting Becca on antibiotics for her oral inflammation and then steroids, which I know will temporarily decrease her immune system more but could be worth it in helping her fight the virus back? Anyway, here is my dilemna. Currently, Becca is isolated in my master bedroom/bath. All the cats are unhappy about this. The two negative kitties sit outside the door and reach their paws under to her. They meow at me with a clear Umm, Mom we want our sister back. and they try and sneak in there. She in turn tries to sneak out and is seeming a bit down. She's exceptionally affectionate when we go in there, more so than usual, but she's not eating as much and seems almost a bit depressed. She kept me up all night trying to love on me. I also know it is a small space and can get lonely. Now, I've read what everyone said about stressing her and I don't want to do that, so here's my dilemna. How long should she be quarantined for? The negative kitties JUST got their first vaccine on Friday and won't be at full protection until they get their boosters in 2.5 weeks. Should I keep her in there until at least then? Should I just let her out now? I really really want to minimize the negative's risk of exposure because I don't want them to be infected. I did read the articles everyone mentioned and it was still unclear to me where in the articles it says that it is safe to expose a negative to a positive. It still said they could infect, but no odds were mentioned, so therefore they should be separated. See below: Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated; however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation) should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV- infected cats is likely to result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status. In ~70% of adult cats, viremia and virus shedding are transient, lasting only 1-16 wk. A few cats continue to shed virus in secretions for several weeks to months after they cease to be viremic. Virus may persist in bone marrow for a longer period, but even this latent, or sequestered, infection usually disappears within 6 mo. Some FeLV-exposed cats (~30%) do not mount an adequate immune response and go on to become persistently (ie, permanently) viremic. Persistently viremic cats develop fatal diseases after a variable time period What if she's just now in the shedding stage? Is she considered persisently viremic at this point as she's had gum issues for a few months? Does that mean she is currently shedding the virus? I almost wonder if the positives that aren't infecting the negatives aren't at the viral shedding stage. Is it really safe to expose the other kitties? Should I keep her quarantined for the next 2.5 weeks or does it really matter? I'm torn. On one hand I don't want to stress her unnecessarily, especially when I'm about to have to
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you from Bella's Family
Peace to you. A suggestion since you are learning to heal: Start a chronicle of your little one(s). Write in it daily. I've done that with Copper and Thomas and frequently look back at the notes. Every time I do, I laugh and love these little guys even more. I sent emails to some friends about Dixie, who left this world all too some because of this disease, and they are comforting. The chronicles evolved from her emails. On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Orth, Sarai wrote: Thank you all for your loving posts. I didn't know how much I needed the support until I got it! It seems that so many people have not had a special relationship with a pet where they can relate to the hole that their passing leaves and that has been frustrating to me. This week is a better week as we are starting to be able to think lovingly about her and laugh about funny things she did! We miss her still and plan to make a beautiful garden for her over her gravesite. I am looking forward to planning out something lovely to honor her. I will take your words of wisdom and just keep loving the other baby like there is no tomorrow! He is spoiled rotten these days...he even sleeps in our bed now (which my husband never would have allowed before J) We hope that he stays symptom free for many years as we hear CAN happen. Thank you again for your kind words and if anyone else has any advice on preventative measures- always feel free to post! Sarai Orth Career Path Services Co-Located @ Valley DSHS Monday-Thursday 7-5:30 Voice (509) 227-2892 Fax (509) 227-2894 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Adopted an FIV+
Be careful of the snake and cats. If he is big enough, he could cause a lot of harm. The garage sounds wonderful. Copper and Thomas Cougar and Dixie before them loved my attached garage. The boys are constantly asking for patrol time there and, when they have their way (which is most of the time) they spend hours there daily. I don't know what the lure is but all three cats wanted to be in the garage. On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:52 PM, LauraM wrote: I have 2 FIV who I keep with 2 FeLV+. Of course the FIVs are vaccinated for FeLV. They are the sweetest cats. I have always heard that transmission is through deep bites, so I've never been worried about the others catching it. They live in the garage away from my other cats, which some people think is horrible, but it's a heated garage (I keep tortoises in it in the winter and aquatic turtles in there year round) and it stays very cool in the summer thanks to big trees and a cement floor. There are 3 big windows and the cats love watching the turtles inside and the birds and frogs outside. Their newest source of entertainment is a large black rat snake who seems to have taken up residence in the garage. Every time I try to catch the snake, he slithers off under a turtle tank or something, but he sure keeps the kitties occupied! Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] We caught the kitten
Cats are frequently killed in garbage trucks. They jump into dumpsters to get food then either can't get out or are asleep when the truck empties the dumpster. And people, being ever so humane, throw kittens into them. There have been people killed in the same way. I am so glad you have the little guy. Ten weeks is a good age for a kitten. On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:40 PM, expressprin...@aol.com wrote: Hi, folks: I emailed last week or so about a little stray kitten that we were trying to catch. We caught the kitten yesterday and he's currently being checked out at the vet. I am hoping and praying he's healthy.? He is not a feral kitty. He is about ten weeks and just as cute and sweet as can be. His story is very sad. My husband is building a cell at a land fill here in California. He just found out from an employee of the land fill that the kitten was in a garbage truck and they saw him when the truck was dumped. Can you imagine? Who could do such a thing? Anyway, he's safe now and will have a good home with us. I will email with his test results. Thank you all for your help, Kathryn McKaig -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat losing weight/question about Doxy Is there any diarrhea or vomiting? Frankie was ravenous - even raiding the other kitties' bowls and was diagnosed with pancreatitis. The vet had not seen the ravenous eating with pancreatitis before. He did lose some weight later after he became anorexic. He had occasional fudgy stools. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of awilkin...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat losing weight/question about Doxy I have an appointment for Wolfie to get bloodwork tomorrow.? He's been losing weight steadily for almost 4 years now.? We've done numerous stool samples, bloodwork (CBC and chem) every 6 months, and 2 thyroid tests.? He's been on kitten food (high fat) to try to stop the weight loss but it's not helping.? He eats well and always seems hungry.? I've been discussing how to proceed with my vet and her suggestions of possibilities were an IDEXX hemobart test, a pancreatitis test (spec- flp), a feline digestive panel (which would include the flp test), and a more extensive thyroid panel.? Abdominal ultrasound and bone marrow biopsy came up as well as B-comp and B-12 injections.? The lab suggested we start with the hemobart and thyroid panel tomorrow to see what we find. If we don't find anything there, we will do the extensive digestive panel in a couple weeks. Does that sound like a reasonable plan? We have been discussing whether to just treat for hemobart and while she is open to treating him without a test confirming he has it, we have some concerns.? Most of the research she sent me expressed concerns about developing antibiotic resistance especially among cats with retroviruses.? The other concern is what form of doxycycline to use if we do treat.? What do most people use for their cats? She sent me some options and it seems esophageal stricture is a concern if using tablets for cats. She said I can get it compounded but wondered what form people on this board are using. Can anybody let me know what form of doxy they use to treat hemobart? Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] good news about the kitten
I strongly suggest that you get some Feliway spray (maybe from your vet??) I have had wonderful luck with itincluding with a full grown cat who had been through lots of traumas and was forced, very much against her will, to live with me (Daddy's death, charges in the house [ furniture moved, people in and out etc ], Mom's physical problems etc--no abuse unless you ask Kitty). Bach's Rescue Remedy in the water of your little one and the dogs should help too. Put clothes, pillow cases or something that smells strongly of you in the carrier then, later, rub the dogs with a cloth and put near him and something that smells strongly of him near the dogs. Everyone needs to learn how the others smell. Honest. I had a stuffed cat that I put with Copper and Thomas (they were younger and definitely feral). Just something to curl up with. Copper is very independent but, a year later, Thomas still cuddles with me or with Copper when he can. It is reassuring. You have done good. You are in for a very rewarding experience. On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:39 PM, expressprin...@aol.com wrote: Thank you all for?the information. You guys are really the best. If I have any further questions, I'll be sure to ask. I've never actually dealt with a frightened kitten but?I hope I will figure things out.?I will start by getting him his own crate which will be placed in a quite room away from my two dogs. I think we will keep the door closed while he adjusts to his new environment.? Once he is comfortable, I will open the door to the crate and let him look around (my dogs will be out, of course). I am a little concerned as to how my boy dog will behave towards the kitty. He's a rescue and he's good with kittys when he is boarded, I'm not sure what he will think about sharing his home though. Thanks again. Kathryn -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] good news about the kitten YEAH!! Good work! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of expressprin...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] good news about the kitten I am very happy to report that the rescued kitten does not have feline leukemia. He's just been neutered and given all his shots. He?will be able to come home tomorrow. Other then worms and fleas, the vet thinks he's in good health.? Kathryn -Original Message- From: patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 9:46 am Subject: [Felvtalk] PUREVAX FELV vaccine I just heard about the PUREVAX FELV vaccine. This is administered with a transdermal technology that does not result in possible injection site sarcomas. Has anyone experience with this or heard anything especially with respect to the efficacy of it compared to the traditional one? Trissa in Philly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Max to CLS
You feed them and do everything you can to make their lives easier and to let them know they are loved. I know, you will probably never touch them, much less hold them but you do all you can do and worry and cry then comfort yourself by thinking how much better you have made their lives. On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Max always showed up every single day. When the weekday feeder was out there (I feed weekends and holidays) on 6/30, there were no cats. Usually there are 4 in one spot and 2 in another. He called and looked for them (and was late for work) and the lady happened to see them attacked by the coyote and happened to see him looking and calling and told him what happened. He looked for 2 hours and was late for work. We eventually found all but 2, Max and Nugget. I am also worried about Nugget but not as much since I have only seen him once in 2 years. But we always saw that bright orange spot in the grass when we pulled in to feed. I hate it. Feeding ferals is a worry, but how can you not feed them? On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope he will still show up Kelly. If the worst has happened then wishing him a gentle bridge crossing. I understand how hard it is when a feral goes missing. There are still 4 at the dumpster colony I have bee trying to TNR. Only one shows up every day for feeding. The other 3 I only see occasionally. I always worry something has happened to them. Sharyl --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Max to CLS To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 5:23 PM Hi all, Max was my favorite feral of the many we feed. He was a big, beautiful orange tabby. These guys are probably closer to semi-feral in that they will let the regular feeders, of whom I am one, touch and approach them. There was a coyote attack on 6/30; there was an employee at the store who saw them being attacked at 3:30 am. He hasn't been seen since and we have been looking and looking, so I'm assuming the worst. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
They make a pad to put under nursing home/hospital patiences that is washable. I used some several years ago with a dog who was in the process of leaving this world. Another thought is the odor of the litter. None of my cats have ever accepted frangranced litter (they have all been feral). None would have considered a closed in litterbox either. Rubbermaid or knock-off totes are $4-$6 a piece. I haven't priced litterboxes lately but I would rather spend the few dollars difference on other things. On Jun 29, 2009, at 6:20 AM, Kat wrote: Hi Wendy, They do make a top-opening litter box: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0002ZS20I/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8n=284507s=kitchen But maybe Pepper is objecting to the texture of the litter on her paws? Have you tried using different litter - or even an empty litter box? Also, if nothing else works, you could get some of the doggy pee pads to put under the box - that way the urine gets absorbed by the pads makes clean-up much easier. Good Luck! Kat (Mew Jersey) On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, wendy wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about a new kitty (feral)
Amen. On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Heather wrote: Ditto, I do a ton of work with ferals and best to trap the kitty asap to work with if there are hopes of socializing. Sure you can make friends over time but the feral kitten mortality rate is very high so best to bring in and will also make the chances of true socialization much more likely...and also decrease the chances that the kitten is FELV+ since it will have less time outside to become infected (unless born with it or already exposed, tough to guess the chances). The Feral Cats group has many files on socializing. Good luck! On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: I am sitting here typing with my previously feral cat lying next to me, her head on my leg looking up at me. I had no choice but to trap her when in NC for my grandmother's funeral because she was my grandma's cat and my uncle was going to trap her anyway and release her at some farm...g... Anyway, couldn't find a home for her while I was there, so she made the trip back to Texas with me and did beautifully. The day after we arrived back home, I opened her cage at my house in a very small room and she let me touch her after she'd explored the room. That was two years ago, and she doesn't even want to leave the house now to go outside, uses the litter box religiously, and in my opinion, is a very happy, mostly domesticated kitty. I am no expert, but if you truly want to adopt/domesticate her, it might be better to trap her and do the things Chris was talking about. Good luck with the kitten. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: expressprin...@aol.com expressprin...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:07:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about a new kitty Hi Folks: You all were such a big help to me last summer when we rescued a little cat who was diagnosed with feline leukemia. Sadly, we lost little Smokey but?my husband?is now in the process of trying to tame and catch?a wild little kitten that is on?his job. He's?eating the?food he gives him?but he will not let him touch him. Any suggestions? Also, what is the chance that an abandoned kitten has feline leukemia? Does it help to catch the decease early? Thank you for your help, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:52 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Some PetsMart stores have an attached vet clinic called Banfield. Sharyl --- On Thu, 6/18/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:54 PM It is Hill's Prescription Diet a/d. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D But is it simply called A/D with Banfield?? What is Banfield? Thanks, Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D I'm almost certain it is made by Hill's Science Diet Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle? Philo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
While everyone is talking about totes: They make nice shelters for cats, especially if they are insulated and filled with pine needles (Mom's ferals and four of my cats all came from a pine thicket) or straw. On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Sharyl wrote: Wendy, since Pepper is healthy I wouldn't bother putting any opening in the tote. I use the large Rubbermaid totes for litter boxes. Mine just jump in them. As Leroy got into his late teens, he had trouble getting in the tote. I just put a small rubbermaid stool next to it. He used that to climb in. I did save the hood of an old litter box that I set on top of one tote for when the kitties want privacy. It doesn't snap on but the tote is in a corner and it balances on the tote pretty good. The girls seem to like privacy when they poop. All of my boys have always stood up to pee. Don't know why. That's why I went to totes. For the dumpster rescues in the cat enclosure, I left the lid on the tote and cut a opening in one of the small sides. Keeps the rain out of the litter and they don't seem to have any problems getting in it. Found it easier to cut the tote after heating the side with a heat gun. A hair dryer would probably work. Then I covered the edges with duct tape so they wouldn't hurt themselves. Sharyl --- On Sun, 6/28/09, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:38 PM Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
I use 18 gallon rubbermaid (or knock-off) totes. Depending on age and condition, your cat may be able to jump in to the tote. This works for Copper and Thomas and worked for Dixie. I started this with Ebony who was getting a little older and had touble getting down. The urine hit the back of the tote and eliminated a lot of problems (yes, you have to clean it more often if this happens but I would rather clean plastic than drywall). I cut a U-shaped piece out of the tote on a short end for Ebony. If you find you have to make the cut out make it high so Pepper has to really work at hitting the opening. I never put a lid on the tote. Do not put too much litter in the tote. It is tempting to put extra in but you don't need it and it may make it uncomfortable for the cat to walk. On Jun 28, 2009, at 3:38 PM, wendy wrote: Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Losing weight
I would. Otherwise, you will always wonder and doubt yourself. On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Amy wrote: Wow! Maybe I should just do the blood test and rule it out. I'll join the group and learn more. Thanks! Amy Hi. When first diagnosed Frankie did not have other symptoms and the diagnosis was a surprise to all of us. In fact, he was ravenously hungry. He had an occasional fudgy stool. That was it. Later, when it acted up (pancreatitis comes and goes) he was anorexic and lost 2 lbs. Pls keep us posted! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Losing weight Thanks Sharyl, Thanks for the info. My vet said they have never seen a case where a cat had pancreatitis and showed no signs of discomfort or being sick but that they are more than willing to test if that's what I want to do. Amy Here is the link for the new Yahoo Pancreatitis group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_pancreatitis_support/ They have some really good info on dxing and treating pancreatitis. I think it is IDEXX that can do the new blood test so the sample doesn't have to be set to TAMU anymore. Usually a kitty will show signs of pain, nausea and inappetance when having a pancreatitis attack. Granted many vets don't really have experience treating pancreatitis but it is manageable. Amy, I don't think this is your problem since your kitty is eating. Sharyl --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Losing weight To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 9:35 PM Pancreatitis is a blood test (and/or ultrasound). They send the blood to Texas now. There is a yahoo group for feline pancreatitis. It is important to do the right test. There is an outdated one that some vets still use. It isn't really something they treat. My vet had me put Frankie on a low fat diet (that is what they do for dogs and it hasn't been proven to work for cats but did work for Frankie). L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Losing weight Thanks for the ideas. Since I just bought some baby food for my other cat, I will definitely try adding stuff like that for calories. He really seems to eat fine so I'm stumped why he keeps losing weight :( Amy Amy, I don't know what to tell you. The only suggestion I have is to try and increase his daily caloric intake to see if that helps him gain wt. So may things can affect wt. including thyroid issues. I know you said blood work looked fine but has he has a T4 and free T4 test recently? If he would tolerate it you could try adding some kitten food to his regular food for a calorie boost. Another thought is adding in come Clinicare. It is a liquid recovery food and may provide a calorie boost. I offer mine some Gerber Chicken and Gravy meat baby food as a treat. Each jar has 100 calories. Generally several small meal per day are best but you are already doing that. Hugs to him Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Losing weight To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:36 PM So after losing Maverick today, I'm even more worried about my boy who's been steadily losing weight for the past 4 years. He has no other apparent symptoms but does have leukemia. He's down to 11 pounds, from 15 lbs. He eats numerous times a day (no loss of appetite) and we have him on a high protein, high fat diet to try to get him to gain. He seems to have stopped losing for now but is not gaining it back. Bloodwork looks fine. Any suggestions? I think I posted about this a while ago but didn't get much response. Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Another thought: Compare the A/D ingredients and purpose with some of the better OTC foods. A/D has been such a standby that other foods are often ignored. This is a judgment call. On Jun 18, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Debbie Harrison wrote: Same here in Florida...but you can't just buy it at the store...you must purchase it from a vet. Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo From: maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:27:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Try another vet...It runs about $2 a can in Louisville (it has been a few months since I checked). On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:25 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I don't remember, but considerably less than $4 a can. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:36 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: how much is it at petsmart? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea to keep A/D on hand -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about a new kitty
Some random ideas that have worked for me. Keep trying with the food, especially fried chicken. Spray Feliway on yourself especially the legs of your pants and hands (where the kitten will smell). Depending on age try to grab him by the scruff of his neck (like a mother cat). This worked with Copper. He stayed perfectly still until I deposited him in a carrier. However, yu need to be careful not to release the kitten if it struggles because catching it a second time will be difficult. Put a carrier near the food or with the food in it. This, coupled with Copper in a carrier beside the empty carrier worked with Thomas two weeks later. Beg or borrow a live trap but don't leave it unwatched. Cover it lightly with fabric to make it cave-like and spray it with Feliway. This has worked with numerous kittens/cats who were transported as soon as possible to a vet for attention and neutering. Go to the Alley Cat Advocates site and to feral cat rescue sites for other ideas. Yes, the little dude may be positive which makes him even more in need of your love. However, he may well not be. Neither Copper or Thomas is FeLV+ and they have grown to be very big, healthy cats thanks to their regular vets and their holistic vet. In any case, one of your first stops should be the vets' office. Forget about vacinations until the kitten is settled. He will be under enough stress. My guys didn't start theirs until I was very sure they were healthy and accostomed to peoplebetween 4 and 5 months old. I have vets who are very understanding and are respectful of my wishes even if they may not agree. We disguss issues and arrive at decissions that (we all hope) are in the best interest of my four- legged friends. Good luck. You are about to go on one of the most interesting and rewarding journeys of your life. On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:07 PM, expressprin...@aol.com wrote: Hi Folks: You all were such a big help to me last summer when we rescued a little cat who was diagnosed with feline leukemia. Sadly, we lost little Smokey but?my husband?is now in the process of trying to tame and catch?a wild little kitten that is on?his job. He's?eating the? food he gives him?but he will not let him touch him. Any suggestions? Also, what is the chance that an abandoned kitten has feline leukemia? Does it help to catch the decease early? Thank you for your help, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:52 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Some PetsMart stores have an attached vet clinic called Banfield. Sharyl --- On Thu, 6/18/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:54 PM It is Hill's Prescription Diet a/d. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D But is it simply called A/D with Banfield?? What is Banfield? Thanks, Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D I'm almost certain it is made by Hill's Science Diet Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle? Philo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing?
Dixie left suddenly. Anemia. She seemed fine until a day before she left this world. On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Susan Finkelstein wrote: My FeLV+ 5-year-old (or so) kitty died suddenly over the weekend and I was wondering if anyone has had any similar experiences or heard of any with otherwise (seemingly) healthy leuk-positive cats. He seemed fine, thriving in fact: plump, nice coat, good appetite, good stool, active, affectionate. I found him curled up as if he were sleeping comfortably but he was gone. Thinking back, he may have seemed slightly lethargic for a day or two beforehand, but not enough to warrant any concern at the time on my part. Does anyone know if this happens -- a heart thing? Stroke? Needless to say, the only other FeLV+ cat in the household (they were sequestered together) seems kinda lost, and I am a bit worried that he will be affected physically. Thanks! Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing?
She stumbled the day before she died so I made a call to Middletown Animal Clinic in Louisville, KY (her regular vets) and we made a Code 3 run from my farm (120 miles). Her vet waited for us; we tried lots of things and I took her to her holistic vet, put her in an O2 tent etc. She just couldn't make it. Luckily she died beside me in the Jeep (we were going to my home with O2 to fix her a tent there). She left in a safe spot, unassisted by the vets she hated. On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Susan Finkelstein wrote: How did you know it was anemia? Did you have a necropsy done? S. From: maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing? Dixie left suddenly. Anemia. She seemed fine until a day before she left this world. On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Susan Finkelstein wrote: My FeLV+ 5-year-old (or so) kitty died suddenly over the weekend and I was wondering if anyone has had any similar experiences or heard of any with otherwise (seemingly) healthy leuk-positive cats. He seemed fine, thriving in fact: plump, nice coat, good appetite, good stool, active, affectionate. I found him curled up as if he were sleeping comfortably but he was gone. Thinking back, he may have seemed slightly lethargic for a day or two beforehand, but not enough to warrant any concern at the time on my part. Does anyone know if this happens -- a heart thing? Stroke? Needless to say, the only other FeLV+ cat in the household (they were sequestered together) seems kinda lost, and I am a bit worried that he will be affected physically. Thanks! Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing?
There are lots of them. My regular vets referred me to Dr. Betty Boswell with a beagle years ago and I have been taking my four-legged friends there since. It is complimentary medicine, not replacement medicine, for me. She and the vets at Middletown work together wonderfully. Dr. Bosewell has a DVM degree and has chosen holistic medicine. On Jun 2, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: Oxygen tank. The vet had placed Keisha in one and that is where she died. Used for kitties who aren't breathing right. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing? I am not going through your grief but that was a wonderful way for her to die. I didn't know about holistic vets. Thank you for mentioning it. What is an 02 Tent? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing? She stumbled the day before she died so I made a call to Middletown Animal Clinic in Louisville, KY (her regular vets) and we made a Code 3 run from my farm (120 miles). Her vet waited for us; we tried lots of things and I took her to her holistic vet, put her in an O2 tent etc. She just couldn't make it. Luckily she died beside me in the Jeep (we were going to my home with O2 to fix her a tent there). She left in a safe spot, unassisted by the vets she hated. On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Susan Finkelstein wrote: How did you know it was anemia? Did you have a necropsy done? S. From: maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing? Dixie left suddenly. Anemia. She seemed fine until a day before she left this world. On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Susan Finkelstein wrote: My FeLV+ 5-year-old (or so) kitty died suddenly over the weekend and I was wondering if anyone has had any similar experiences or heard of any with otherwise (seemingly) healthy leuk-positive cats. He seemed fine, thriving in fact: plump, nice coat, good appetite, good stool, active, affectionate. I found him curled up as if he were sleeping comfortably but he was gone. Thinking back, he may have seemed slightly lethargic for a day or two beforehand, but not enough to warrant any concern at the time on my part. Does anyone know if this happens -- a heart thing? Stroke? Needless to say, the only other FeLV+ cat in the household (they were sequestered together) seems kinda lost, and I am a bit worried that he will be affected physically. Thanks! Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life without Pixie
One day, when you are ready, Pixie will send you someone who needs you. That someone may be a feral, a FeLV+, an old cat that no one wants any more but it will be the right one for you. And it may come before you think you are ready but, rest assured, it will be the right one at the right time. Dixie (FeLV+ and a wonderful little lady) sent me a feral kitten (Copper Cougar) who was going to be a snack for a hawk family. Two weeks later she said take two, they are small, and sent me another one (Thomas Cougar) whose fate would have been the same. And she sent two healthy males. She knew I had some awful problems with spaying females. Both boys just celebrated their first year birthday. All of this is to say that you will be ok. You will continue to miss Pixie because there can never be a replacement and that is ok too. Every time your heart breaks, it heals and becomes stronger and bigger. Honest. On May 28, 2009, at 4:39 PM, G D wrote: Hi everyone. I really, really appreciate the support and wisdom this group has provided over the last 3 years -- when strange things were happening (frothy clear vomit, a non- dilating pupil) and I didn't know what to do, and especially during the scary and sad days surrounding Pixie's death. This listserv is an example of the internet at its finest, bringing together a warm virtual community of FeLV cat guardians from across the globe. You gave me the courage to adopt FeLV+ Pixie in the first place, when I was only a foster parent to her and had no previous experience with + cats. It's been two weeks without Pixie. Grief feels like a private hell but apparently I'm going through all the normal stages. I was in bad shape when I went to pick up her ashes and the woman at the crematorium asked if Pixie had lived a long life. I could barely reply that she was still a baby when this disease snatched her. But once I got her urn home and put it on the mantle, which was one of her favorite places to perch, I felt strangely relieved: the awful business of deterioration, dying and death was over. I attached her collar tag to my keys (the jingling sound of which made Pixie come running from any corner of the house in the hope she'd get to go outside). I miss her 100 times day. I'm comforted to know that many of you have survived the loss of a beloved cat and have eventually come to love new cats. Onwards and upwards, Giselle _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiger Lily,Adam,Cherry and Grace
Blessings to all of the little ones and to those who care for them. The little ones are lucky to be loved and the people who care for them are lucky to have the little ones and to have the strength and ability to love them and provide for them. It is so difficult. Prayers and blessings to all of you. On May 28, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Well I am asking for an overload of prayers and good thoughts from you wonderful people. Dr. Jen sent us a LONG e-mail about poor Champ and these other 4.TigerLily was fostered out to a volunteer and she still is just not doing well. Cherry our SWEET one eyed girl is in a bad way too. ADAM,this is one of my boyfriends from Sids(yes I have many I know) Adam is a special boy I have been worried about him all week,I thought he was getting better but he is not.If he does not show a sign of improvement tomorrow she will have to let him go. Grace is actually the one out of all of them that just might make a recovery,still not quite out of the water but hopeful. Dr. Jen had a very emotionally draining day and my heart goes out to her.But then she has to come home and break all the bad new to us. :( So please think good thoughts for her too. THank you all Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary
You do all you can. Lots of ferals show up at Mom's. One, an awful looking little guy whose eyes ran, nose ran etc. showed up. He continued to hang out, finally finding a way to get along with the resident ferals which is the primary requirement for food, water and shelter with this group. I finally got some antibiotics into him and got him trapped and to a vet for neutering. While he was under, he shuttered with pain from his teeth. The vet called with the information and what needed to be done (pulling the majority of his teeth). I oked the procedure and expense. Before his trip to the vet he informed me that his name was Pretty Boy.trust me, that was not the case. However, he certainly is now. His tongue hangs out like he is sticking it out at the world but that appears to be his only problem. He has assumed a real role with the Cat Nation and is helping new comers acclimate. Even a cat who is so hard up can be wonderful and have a great life. Oh, yes...the vets say Pretty Boy is 9-11 years old. To have reached that age, he had to belong to someone sometime. Bless you for caring for Boscoe. I am sure each of us would like to have someone who cared if we were down on our luck. On May 26, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: Fundable takes a 10% cut for using their service, so that's why the ultimate goal is $550. The reason they want to do a blood panel is because the cat is at least middle-aged, if not elderly; he is emaciated; and has been eating like crazy. All things together really call for a baseline senior blood panel. Could be kidney or blood sugar problems. Or it could just be a case of a severerly debilitated cat making up for lost time now that his mouth doesn't hurt and there's plenty of food. But he is an old geezer and should have a senior blood panel to see where things are at this point. I think Boscoe may have a couple of very good years ahead of him, despite the FeLV. He is a tough old guy to have survived life on the streets with an infected mouth, broken rib, matted and dirty. And now that he's gotten the mouth taken care of, he's been eating 4 cans of food a day. He's getting so strong, it's like trying to shove a rhino back in its cage when he tries to get out. I think he has some very good quality of life ahead of him, And how could I not help him. A cat shows up at your door in that condition, you do what you can. --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 1:39 PM Curious...why do they want to do a blood panel? Also, why does the fundraising page list the goal at $550? I rescued a guy a number of years ago who was four paw declawed, elderly and his mouth was a mess. Someone had shut him in the wall of a building and a worker heard his cries and let him out. He, too, tested positive for FeLV. He lived several more years in a sanctuary with friends of mine. Boscoe sounds a lot like him. Thanks for helping him. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary Permission to cross-post granted. Cross-posting encouraged. I have just a few days to raise the money for Boscoe. Boscoe's fundraising page is set up at http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-05-26.2918289545 Boscoe’s a really hard luck boy. He used to be someone’s pet but somehow wound up trying to survive on the streets. He showed up at my house wearing a tight dirty flea collar, emaciated and filthy. We took him in, put him in a quarantine cage till we could get him to a vet. Boscoe had his vet appointment May 17th and the poor old boy had a lot going on: 1. His mouth was a mass of bad teeth and infection. How he managed to eat enough to survive is anyone’s guess. Also, he has a condition called ankylosis – the teeth fuse to the bone of the jaw. This made dental work more difficult but they did a really good job with the boy. 2. He was filthy. He could not groom himself with his diseased mouth and when he tried he just got foul smelling spit all over himself. And he had burrs and debris stuck in what should have been a longhaired gray and white coat. His tail was like one solid dreadlock. So Boscoe was shaved from neck to tail. BIG improvement. 3. He was neutered, got his FVRCP and rabies vaccines, nails trimmed, ears cleaned. 4. And Boscoe tested FeLV+ The FeLV+ part really sucked. It meant I could not offer Boscoe lifetime sanctuary. We have 9 cats of our own, including two who are FIV+, senior and special needs fosters, as
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Add CJ to the CLS
I am so sorry. Losing any of them is awful. Anemia claimed Dixie Louise. It is so awful and so fastI, too, pray Mattie will be with you a long time and that she will fill in for CJ...they do seem to understand the needs and sadness of their people. Blessings to you for caring for these little angels. On May 23, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Sharyl wrote: I had to have CJ (Captain Jack Sparrow) PTS this morning. I had taken him to the vet Monday and she dx anemia from the FeLV. In spite of assist feeding and B12 supplements he faded. Went downhill fast Friday and showed signs of distress Friday night. With the holiday week end I just couldn't wait any longer. CJ was one of 4 dumpster babies I rescued last summer. They were just 4 weeks old. I have since TNR'd their Momma. CJ was the loving-est little boy. He would sleep under my chin and purr me to sleep every night. No idea how I'll get to sleep tonight. Every time I sat down he was in my lap for hugs and petting. Out of all the cats I've had he was the sweetest. I know he is in a better place. It's just hard to lose any of them but even harder with the special ones. I just have Mattie, who is blind, left out of this litter. She is my adventurer. Goes where no kitty in their right mind would go. She is also FeLV+ and currently asymptomatic. I pray I'll have her for a long time. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
