Re: [css-d] Arrg, ie6 and less problems...

2008-01-31 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
William Ellis wrote:
 In ie5.5 and ie6 it garbages up so bad as to be unusable with
 flickering and mishapped blocks.  Even the page thumb is missing and
 I have never seen that.
 
 website: http://wildcotton.wrellis.net/test.html

For a start, at the very bottom of your stylesheet add...

@media screen {

* html .contentleft div, * html .contentcenter div, * html .contentright
div {height: 1%;}

* {position: static;}

.footer {width: 100%; display: table;}

* html .footer {width: auto;}

}

The first rule adds a 'hasLayout' trigger to all divs inside the three
columns.
Seems to work ok, but triggering 'hasLayout' on that many elements is
usually an overkill with potentially negative side effects, so you may
want to reduce that to only trigger 'hasLayout' on the divs that really
gain from it and test thoroughly.



Second rule - you should immediately stop believing in rumors like this...
* {
position:relative;  /* rumored to help with some IE problems (other than
IE5/Mac. */
}
...and *never* add 'position: relative' to elements that don't need it.
What you have now is complete overkill, and destroys IE6' attempts on
scrolling and rendering your page.

Reset that to default = 'position: static' - that is: delete 'position:
relative' as universally applied property/value.



Footer's fixed height becomes a limitation in good browsers - especially
when font-resize is engaged at user-end.
Third rule is turning 'height' into 'min-height' and preserves full width.
That 'width: 100%' disturbs IE6, so fourth rule resets it to 'auto' for
that old browser.



The whole thing is wrapped in an @media screen rule for good measure, so
it won't be picked up by IE/Mac and other very old browsers. If that's
not an issue, then the @media screen rule wrapper can be left out.

regards
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Re: [css-d] Arrg, ie6 and less problems...

2008-01-31 Thread Foote, Chris
Hi William!

You may wish to start by validating your markup and CSS.

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwildcotton.wrellis
.net%2Ftest.html
shows 12 errors - including several missing closing P and div tags.

HTH - Spike

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 Hi folks,
 
 I am outside my league here, I am sure.  I thought I was 
 clever - but...
 
 I think my designs looks fine in Firefox and ie7.  Client is 
 happy as well.
 
 In ie5.5 and ie6 it garbages up so bad as to be unusable with 
 flickering 
 and mishapped blocks.  Even the page thumb is missing and I 
 have never 
 seen that.
 
 website: http://wildcotton.wrellis.net/test.html
 
 css: http://wildcotton.wrellis.net/css/atlas.css
 http://wildcotton.wrellis.net/css/cbrc.css
 
 The problem is essentially restricted to the left hand list boxes.
 
 I know this is a long shot and leaning on everyone for their 
 help but it 
 will be much appreciated.
 
 William Ellis
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[css-d] IE Issues Abundant

2008-01-31 Thread David Terrell
This site just refuses to display properly in Internet
Explorer of any variety , versions 6 and 7 both
providing a different set of problems.  Granted my
knowledge is limited as this is the first site I've
coded in css, but I thought I had tried many things in
order for IE to work properly for me.  Firefox and
Safari display the site perfectly.  Any suggestions
would be appreciated.  I've listed just the few that
are happening in IE7 as I borrowed a friend's laptop
because I don't have Windows and that is what he runs,
but anyone that would look in IE6 and help with those
is appreciated.

#1 IE7:  ignores the .bottom property that should
control how far the pop-up is from the word.

#2 IE7:  my image map for the logo that takes one back
to the home page only works on the home page.  While,
there are two different style sheets I've looked and I
can't see anything different that would affect the
image map.

#3 IE7:  the second level of my navigation doesn't
show when hovering over children under the
gatherings menu.

The only specific issue I know of in v6:

#1 IE6:  navigation will not align properly over the
menu item as of the last time I checked.

Site:  http://www.cometothewell.org/newsite
CSS:  http://www.cometothewell.org/newsite/styles.css
Sub Page CSS: 
http://www.cometothewell.org/newsite/substyles.css

Thank you for your help.

David Terrell



  

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Re: [css-d] GIF to PNG switch didn't work

2008-01-31 Thread Daniel Kessler
I see - thank you very  much.

daniel


On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

 Daniel Kessler wrote:
 Well that certainly helps me with my box - thanks.  Clearly I  
 should've put it on a blank page before posting.  Sheesh.

 Maybe this is more useful...
 http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

 regards
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Re: [css-d] GIF to PNG switch didn't work

2008-01-31 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
Wow, 225 errors :O

On 1/30/08, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe this is more useful...
 http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

 regards
   Georg

Thanks for the link Georg, pointed out few things I, myself, never thought of.

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Re: [css-d] GIF to PNG switch didn't work

2008-01-31 Thread Jason Pruim

On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

 Daniel Kessler wrote:
 Well that certainly helps me with my box - thanks.  Clearly I
 should've put it on a blank page before posting.  Sheesh.

 Maybe this is more useful...
 http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you


Daniel,

I think what they are getting at is the possibility, that because of  
all the errors on your page, it could make it very hard/impossible to  
fix it. If you clean up the errors first, and still have problems,  
then we have a good starting point.

I have been in this situation before... And sometimes the smallest  
things can chance how stuff renders. I mean, just change the DOCTYPE  
and watch how differently IE can display with that one small change...


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Re: [css-d] Positioning within a table cell?

2008-01-31 Thread Jeff Piazza
 On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting Jeff Piazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'm having a problem trying to position a paragraph at the bottom
 right of a table cell.  The only way I can think to accomplish this
 is to declare the table cell position: relative;, and then use
 absolute positioning for the paragraph within the cell.  However,
 this seems to have the effect of positioning the paragraph relative
 to the viewport, rather than a table cell.  I don't understand why
 this is, or what workaround will get me past this.


 The only workaround I can think of is to stick some wrapper element,
 like a 'div', into each the cells and then relatively position it via
 CSS.  Ugly, but it should work.

On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

 That would work, if you want to position the element from the top.
 But 'bottom' will not position the element at the bottom of the table-
 cell, only at the bottom of the div (which will only be as tall as
 its in-flow content).

Does this mean I'm just out of luck for positioning a paragraph at  
the bottom of a table cell?

/JEP

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[css-d] columns won't float

2008-01-31 Thread Sandy
Hey all,

there's something that has me flummoxed, and I hope someone out there 
can help.

I am working on a project where I am doing mark up, filling in pages on 
someone else's template, someone else's css. There is some funky stuff 
in there that I can't change, so the pages don't validate.

For the most part I have  been able to come up with pages that seem to 
look fine, but there is this one where I would like to have these 2 divs 
float side by side, and they won't. The float works ok when I open it 
without linking to the style sheet, but does not work when it is all 
together. I can't see what is preventing this float!

The Botany and the Zoology columns should be side by side.

http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/grad/graduate.shtml

http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/ib.css
http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/ie6-hacks.css
http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/sweetTitles.css
http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/tables.css

thanks in advance for your help,
Sandy
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Re: [css-d] Arrg, ie6 and less problems...

2008-01-31 Thread William Ellis
Georg  Spike,

Thank you for responding.  You suggestion worked.  And even showed up 
more error which are now fixed as well.  Silly of me to forget the WC3 
validation service.

Thanks again,
Will Ellis

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 William Ellis wrote:
 In ie5.5 and ie6 it garbages up so bad as to be unusable with
 flickering and mishapped blocks.  Even the page thumb is missing and
 I have never seen that.

 website: http://wildcotton.wrellis.net/test.html


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Re: [css-d] columns won't float

2008-01-31 Thread Sandy
Thanks for your help!
You guys rock.

 Sandy wrote:
 
For the most part I have  been able to come up with pages that seem to 
look fine, but there is this one where I would like to have these 2 divs 
float side by side, and they won't. The float works ok when I open it 
without linking to the style sheet, but does not work when it is all 
together. I can't see what is preventing this float!

The Botany and the Zoology columns should be side by side.

http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/grad/graduate.shtml

Sandy
  
 
 
 
 
 I am not sure I understand.
 These changes put the Botany column adjacent to the Zoology column 
 (adjust as needed and see IE/6.0).
 Is this what you are after?
 
 div style=float : left; border: 1px solid red; width: 190px;
 h2Botany/h2
 ul style=margin-left : 20px;
 
 div style=float : left; border: 1px solid red; width: 190px;
 h2Zoology/h2
 ul style=margin-left : 20px;
 
 
 Best,
 ~dL
 
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Re: [css-d] columns won't float

2008-01-31 Thread David Laakso
Sandy wrote:
 For the most part I have  been able to come up with pages that seem to 
 look fine, but there is this one where I would like to have these 2 divs 
 float side by side, and they won't. The float works ok when I open it 
 without linking to the style sheet, but does not work when it is all 
 together. I can't see what is preventing this float!

 The Botany and the Zoology columns should be side by side.

 http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/grad/graduate.shtml

 Sandy
   



I am not sure I understand.
These changes put the Botany column adjacent to the Zoology column 
(adjust as needed and see IE/6.0).
Is this what you are after?

div style=float : left; border: 1px solid red; width: 190px;
h2Botany/h2
ul style=margin-left : 20px;

div style=float : left; border: 1px solid red; width: 190px;
h2Zoology/h2
ul style=margin-left : 20px;


Best,
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Re: [css-d] columns won't float

2008-01-31 Thread Valerie Wininger
Sandy,

When I played with the margins on the inner elements of those divs and/or
adjusted the width of the zoology div, I was able to get it to float to the
right of the other div.  Apparently it doesn't have enough room currently,
so it's being pushed down.

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On Jan 31, 2008 9:33 AM, Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey all,

 there's something that has me flummoxed, and I hope someone out there
 can help.

 I am working on a project where I am doing mark up, filling in pages on
 someone else's template, someone else's css. There is some funky stuff
 in there that I can't change, so the pages don't validate.

 For the most part I have  been able to come up with pages that seem to
 look fine, but there is this one where I would like to have these 2 divs
 float side by side, and they won't. The float works ok when I open it
 without linking to the style sheet, but does not work when it is all
 together. I can't see what is preventing this float!

 The Botany and the Zoology columns should be side by side.

 http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/grad/graduate.shtml

 http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/ib.css
 http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/ie6-hacks.css
 http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/sweetTitles.css
 http://www.uoguelph.ca/ib/a_test/css/tables.css

 thanks in advance for your help,
 Sandy
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[css-d] Suckerfish question

2008-01-31 Thread Nancy Johnson
I am putting in a simple suckerfish dropdown menu in a section of a
proposed website.  I hope its ok to attach to small images as I have
no other way to link this.

I am wondering why the width of  level 2  is  wider than level 1 in IE
and are the same width in other browsers.  I haven't figured out where
the width is controlled from in the level two boxes.
This is a piece of the code
ul id=navliEWR Navigation br 

ul 
li a href= EWR Home Page/a/li
li a href= Getting Started/a/li

li a href= FAQ/a/li
/ul
/li
liDownloads br 
  ul 
li a href= Microsoftreg; Excel Templates/a/li
li a href= XML/a/li/ul/li/ul


CSS coding

#nav, #nav ul { /* all lists */
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
list-style: none;
line-height: 1;
font-weight: bold;

}

#nav a {
display: block;
width: 10em;

text-decoration:none;

}

#nav li { /* all list items */
float: left;
width: 10em; /* width needed or else Opera goes nuts */
background-color:#ff;
margin: 3px 3px -4px 7px;
padding: 4px;
}


#nav li ul { /* second-level lists */
position: absolute;

width: 10em;
left: -999em; /*using left instead of display to hide menus because
display: none isn't read by screen readers */
margin-top: .1em;
margin-left: -.95em;
}

IE 6 only#nav li ul {margin-left: -1.5em; }

#nav li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul { /* lists nested under hovered
list items */
left: auto;

}

#nav li ul li {background-color: #ff;  }

#nav li ul l#nav li ul li {background-color: #ff;   }
#nav li ul li a {font-weight: normal; border-bottom: 1px solid
#99; padding-bottom: .2em}
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[css-d] Iframe transparency

2008-01-31 Thread Cynthia M. Brumbaugh
Ok, I am still at the stage where css makes me want to throw my monitor
across the room. But I am trying. I am working on a real estate site using
an iframe and can not figure out how to change the color from this lovely
yellow and purple. I know the size is small, I think I can deal with that, I
am just spinning my wheels on this color problem. I thought if I stripped
everything away and tried to solve just this problem, then I could build
back from there. But I still can't get rid of the yellow and purple. Could
one of you gurus please help? This page does validate.

http://chekmed.com/test_transparent.html

Many Thanks,
Cynthia



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Re: [css-d] Iframe transparency

2008-01-31 Thread Austin, Darrel
 But I still can't get rid of the yellow and purple.
 Could
 one of you gurus please help? This page does validate.
 
 http://chekmed.com/test_transparent.html

Test_transparent.html is the page (frameset) you are controlling.

The iFrame contents is a different page: 

http://cpml.fnismls.com/idx/SearchIDX.aspx?RMLS_SESSION_GUID=%7bf36bdb9c
-628f-4e31-a7c8-de2feec02631%7dMLS=CPMLSUBSCRIBER=3fbd9fd3-f792-4fa9-9
ad9-3f702a5dbcf1class=1

If you want to modify the colors there, you need to modify the CSS for
that page.

Remember that frames are simply 'containers' for other pages. Any CSS
applied to the frameset will have no bearing on any of the pages loaded
within the frames.

-Darrel
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Re: [css-d] Iframe transparency

2008-01-31 Thread Mihai Mănuţă
In your case... there is nothing CSS can do for you. You are trying to
apply CSS over fixed, inline styles. And since the content of the iframe
comes from meta content=Microsoft Visual Studio 7.0
name=GENERATOR that's were you need to take your problem. Teach those
guys using MVS to write proper CSS that is modifiable.

Best regards,
Mihai

On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 11:19 -0500, Cynthia M. Brumbaugh wrote:

 Ok, I am still at the stage where css makes me want to throw my monitor
 across the room. But I am trying. I am working on a real estate site using
 an iframe and can not figure out how to change the color from this lovely
 yellow and purple. I know the size is small, I think I can deal with that, I
 am just spinning my wheels on this color problem. I thought if I stripped
 everything away and tried to solve just this problem, then I could build
 back from there. But I still can't get rid of the yellow and purple. Could
 one of you gurus please help? This page does validate.
 
 http://chekmed.com/test_transparent.html
 
 Many Thanks,
 Cynthia
 
 
 
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Re: [css-d] Columns? A Theoretical Question

2008-01-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe I can be corrected, but I believe this isn't a CSS issue.  It's a 
programming one.  You can't put if/then statements into CSS - CSS 
isn't a programming language.

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Re: [css-d] Iframe transparency

2008-01-31 Thread Cynthia M. Brumbaugh
To all who responded. Thank you. I thought that might be the case after the
research I did, but... I am not comfortable enough yet with css to take
anything for granted. At least I can stop beating my head again the wall and
go clean this 'blood' off my forehead ;)

In your debt,
Cynthia


On 1/31/08 12:01 PM, Austin, Darrel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 But I still can't get rid of the yellow and purple.
 Could
 one of you gurus please help? This page does validate.
 
 http://chekmed.com/test_transparent.html
 
 Test_transparent.html is the page (frameset) you are controlling.
 
 The iFrame contents is a different page:
 
 http://cpml.fnismls.com/idx/SearchIDX.aspx?RMLS_SESSION_GUID=%7bf36bdb9c
 -628f-4e31-a7c8-de2feec02631%7dMLS=CPMLSUBSCRIBER=3fbd9fd3-f792-4fa9-9
 ad9-3f702a5dbcf1class=1
 
 If you want to modify the colors there, you need to modify the CSS for
 that page.
 
 Remember that frames are simply 'containers' for other pages. Any CSS
 applied to the frameset will have no bearing on any of the pages loaded
 within the frames.
 
 -Darrel
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[css-d] Columns? A Theoretical Question

2008-01-31 Thread Reese
I'm faced with an issue I worked around once before, it presents
again with a new face so I'd like to find an ultimate cure, not
make do with the cheesy work-around.

I need a div container with div-class items that auto-fill left
or right. Such that:
Item1 seeks top-left position(possibly unique ID but this should
be a source code issue - if it's at the top of the stack then it
is at the top of the stack),
Item2 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
Item3 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
Item4 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty, etc.

The goal is left-to right recursive, in rows.

Below, a crude ascii graphic. I've been through the CSS so many
times and changed so many things, I'm getting lost and I'd like
to start over. What can I do, to make item elements auto-fill
in rows starting from top-left?

Reese

--/
|Logo| Header content area/
|Area|/
|-/
|Left|  --- - /
|Nav |  | Item 1   || Item 2 |/
|Menu|  |  |||/
|Item|  |  |||/
|Area|  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  --- -|/
||  | Item3|| Item 4 |/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  --- -|/
||  | Item 5   || Item 6 |/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
||  |  |||/
ctrl^v


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[css-d] form/fieldset alignment in IE

2008-01-31 Thread Ray Leventhal
Hi all,

Once again, our problem child is IE.

The page at:

http://www.cprtools.net/reg/regform1.php

looks and performs as expected in Opera, FF2, Webkit28233 (Win,  MacOS 
10.5).

IE7, is moving the topmost fieldset to the right edge of the viewport, 
leaving the 2nd fieldset where it belongs.

IE6 (WinXPSP2) is doing much the same as it's older sister, but leaving 
some space to the right of the fieldset as compared to the viewport edge.

I'm feeing first E.Meyer's reset.css 
(http://www.cprtools.net/reg/reset.css), then styling with
http://www.cprtools.net/reg/style.css after.

Any pointers are, as usual, greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,
-Ray

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[css-d] (no subject)

2008-01-31 Thread Kenoli Oleari
I am trying to create using CSS to make a page that looks like this:

http://sfnan.org/iotc/templates-php/pie_1.php

This page is a series of divs positioned somewhat like a checker  
board.  This page is created by CSS using absolute positioning within  
a div that is positioned relatively.

For various reasons, I am interested in assembling the checkerboard  
divs using something besides position:absolute.  I just can't make it  
work.  Each rectangle is a separate div, some with background  
pictures and some with text.  I'm not sure how to do this.  I can get  
the first and second to line up floating the first to the left and  
clearing the second to the right.  When I try to so this with  
additional divs, they seem to take on a life of their own, ending up  
in odd positions around the page or off the page.

I have a few questions.  If I want to line up a series of divs, do I  
make each one float:left and clear:right?  If I want to start a new  
row, do I designate float: left, clear: both?  This seems logical,  
but I can't get it to work.

If I understand it right, position:relative lets me put the div in  
standard html sequence but indicate an offset using top and side  
positioning.  This doesn't seem to work the way I would expect it to  
work.

Please help me understand how to do what I am trying to do.

Thanks,

--Kenoli

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Re: [css-d] Fluid images

2008-01-31 Thread Jack Blankenships
The only problem with this is that I need to resize the image in both
height and width aspects.  From the information included in this
e-mail I gather that until the css3 background-size becomes more
widely suppourted this will unlikely be an entirely css based
solution.

Has anyone had this problem and been able to find a javascript
solution that uses as much css as possible?

On Jan 25, 2008 5:34 PM, Stephan Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Jan 25, 2008 10:42 AM, Jack Blankenships
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have been reading some articles
  (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/elastic/ ,
  http://www.htmldog.com/articles/elasticdesign/demo/ ,
  http://www.antix.co.uk/code/css/imposing_minimum_width/example_3.htm ,
  etc), but I am not finding the answer I am looking for.
 
  I want to have an image (several images) that are dynamically
  sized/fluid based on the browser window/viewport dimensions.  I have a
  layout where the divs can be percentages of the available height and
  width, but it seems that whether I put the image inside the div or as
  a background-image I cannot get it to adjust based on the window
  dimensions.  When I set the width or height to 100% using css, the
  image is set to 100% of its original size, without respect to its
  container.

 Did you try applying the width to the img ? See
 http://myosin3000.sugarmotor.net/imagesize.html

  I suppose that it makes things more complicated that I need to
  preserve the dimensional relationship between the height/width

 Actually this seems easy. See example above.

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[css-d] page check-positioning gap, font issues/questions

2008-01-31 Thread Ron Zisman
http://www.ricochet.org/ricochet2/company_principal.html

i haven't yet viewed the page in msie; only opera and firefox on the  
mac. i'll deal with msie when the page is stable

gap issue:

at the top of the page (on top of yellow box and menus), i'm getting  
a gap.
i've tried zeroing out margins and padding, but am obviously missing  
something.

font question/issue

originally, i speced .8em font size on html/body

looked and worked fine. i know it's a no-no as i've been informed it  
causes issue in msie, i have been taught (by a list member) to use  
100% on body and rescale further down the document.

when i use 100% on body/html, and move the .8em to the wrapper, i  
don't get what i'm looking for. it would be nice to size the font  
once and forget it.

suggestions...

i know only a print designer would use such small type... what can i  
say?

thanks in advance

ron
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Re: [css-d] Positioning within a table cell?

2008-01-31 Thread Jeff Piazza
Probably everyone but I knew that

div height=100% style=position: relative;

is different from

div style=height: 100%; position: relative;

The latter does seem to work.  Thanks!

/JEP

On Jan 31, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Mark Finney wrote:

 You could over come that with height:100% but it seems crazy to put  
 a div inside each table cell...

 I am sure there is a way of positioning the paragraph on the bottom  
 of the table cell? Surely better spending your time making that work?

 Good luck,

 Mark



 On 31/01/2008, Jeff Piazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Quoting Jeff Piazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I'm having a problem trying to position a paragraph at the bottom
  right of a table cell.  The only way I can think to accomplish this
  is to declare the table cell position: relative;, and then use
  absolute positioning for the paragraph within the cell.  However,
  this seems to have the effect of positioning the paragraph relative
  to the viewport, rather than a table cell.  I don't understand why
  this is, or what workaround will get me past this.
 
 
  The only workaround I can think of is to stick some wrapper element,
  like a 'div', into each the cells and then relatively position it  
 via
  CSS.  Ugly, but it should work.
 
 On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
 
  That would work, if you want to position the element from the top.
  But 'bottom' will not position the element at the bottom of the  
 table-
  cell, only at the bottom of the div (which will only be as tall as
  its in-flow content).

 Does this mean I'm just out of luck for positioning a paragraph at
 the bottom of a table cell?

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Re: [css-d] (no subject)

2008-01-31 Thread Jim Davis
It may be possible to use floats to achieve your objective.

Here is a link to a demo using floats:
http://www.jimdavis.org/test/checkerboard.html

This uses two floats, one that is 16em wide by 8em high, and a blank that is
8em square. The image within the wide float is floated left and is given a
class to set the width and height of the image to 8em by 8em. This makes
sure the image is sized to fit the containing element and allows the image
to change size when the user re-sizes the text in the browser.

I have only tested this on a PC with FF and IE7, so not sure of results in
other browsers and OS's.

Jim

On Jan 31, 2008 10:15 AM, Kenoli Oleari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am trying to create using CSS to make a page that looks like this:

 http://sfnan.org/iotc/templates-php/pie_1.php

 This page is a series of divs positioned somewhat like a checker
 board.  This page is created by CSS using absolute positioning within
 a div that is positioned relatively.

 For various reasons, I am interested in assembling the checkerboard
 divs using something besides position:absolute



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Re: [css-d] form/fieldset alignment in IE

2008-01-31 Thread Ray Leventhal
Ray Leventhal wrote:

typos abound...thankfully not in my code:

 I'm feeing first E.Meyer's reset.css 
s/feeing/feeding

-R

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Re: [css-d] Columns? A Theoretical Question

2008-01-31 Thread Graham, Steve

 I'm faced with an issue I worked around once before, it presents
 again with a new face so I'd like to find an ultimate cure, not
 make do with the cheesy work-around.

I'm sorry to say that I'm unable to help with this problem, but I am
curious to see your 'cheesy work-around'. What solution did you come up
with, if I may ask?


Thanks,
Steve
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Re: [css-d] page check-positioning gap, font issues/questions

2008-01-31 Thread David Laakso
Ron Zisman wrote:
 http://www.ricochet.org/ricochet2/company_principal.html

 i haven't yet viewed the page in msie; only opera and firefox on the  
 mac. i'll deal with msie when the page is stable

 gap issue:

 at the top of the page (on top of yellow box and menus), i'm getting  
 a gap.

 font question/issue

 originally, i speced .8em font size on html/body



 suggestions...

 ron
   

/gap/

Add
h1 { margin-top : 0; }

/fonts/

Right  now you've got a mixed bag of %/px.
If you want to use em's it's:

html{
font-size: 100%; --- so IE will not go goofy ::
}

body {
font: 0.8em Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;   em on the body
}

And em's  (not px thereafter)


Best,

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Re: [css-d] page check-positioning gap, font issues/questions

2008-01-31 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ron Zisman wrote:
 http://www.ricochet.org/ricochet2/company_principal.html

 font question/issue
 
 originally, i speced .8em font size on html/body
 
 looked and worked fine. i know it's a no-no as i've been informed it 
 causes issue in msie, i have been taught (by a list member) to use 
 100% on body and rescale further down the document.
 
 when i use 100% on body/html, and move the .8em to the wrapper, i 
 don't get what i'm looking for. it would be nice to size the font 
 once and forget it.

You had 'html, body {font-size: .8em;}'

That equals 'html {font-size: .8em;}' = 80% followed by 'body
{font-size: .8em;}' = 80%, and the sum of 80% x 80% is around 65%.

html {font-size: 100%;}
body {font-size: .65em;}

...or any other combination that starts with percentage and ends up at
around 65%, will give you a starting-point around the 65% of normal
browser default you're aiming for. So, declaring...

html {/* no font size */}
body {font-size: 65%;}
...will end up where you started without triggering any IE/win bugs.

Side note: do I have to remind you that starting small makes it less
likely that the actual font size will survive 'minimum font size' in a
few browsers..?
http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_03_04.html


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Re: [css-d] Positioning within a table cell?

2008-01-31 Thread Ingo Chao

If the height is known, then establishing a line-box with the same 
line-height=height should allow for vertical-aligning a descendant at 
the bottom of the cell.

http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/tablebottom.html

In theory. Practically, IE7 and lower would need a display:inline-block 
hackery, since its inline model is broken.

And some more real content on the table-cell breaks it all. No way.

td class=normalday
   span class=dayofmonth2/span
   p class=createtaga href=#?date=2008-03-2New/a/p
/td


.normalday {
...
height: 92px;
...
vertical-align: top;
}

.dayofmonth {
font-weight: bold;
}

.createtag {
float: right;
line-height: 92px;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}

.createtag a {
line-height: 1.12em;
font-size: xx-small;
vertical-align: bottom;
}


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Re: [css-d] IE7 needs both width and min-width

2008-01-31 Thread Ingo Chao
Jason Crosse wrote:
 After a day of plenty of swearing, I seem to have found something 
 out that I think I should have known about before. I'm posting in 
 the hope it will help out some other hapless web developer and 
 prevent some nasty monitor-forehead interfacing.
 
 For some reason, I know not why, after making a small change to an 
 html page, IE7 stopped picking up some percentage widths (for 
 floated elements). After a lot of swearing, I found out that 
 sometimes, to even pick up a width, IE7 needs *both* a min-width and 
 width. As I was using percentages that was not a hassle - so for 
 example the rule
 
  float:left; width: 25.5%;
 
 was having no effect: the width of the element was shrinking down to 
 the width of its content, while on IE6, Opera, Safari and Firefox 
 everything was fine. Adding a min-width thus
 
  float:left; width:25.5%; min-width:25.5%;
 
 Sorted everything out. So now everything's hunky dory. I'm sure most 
 of you on this list will have known about this and I'm quite 
 surprised I haven't come across it before. That's part of the joy of 
 the job, I suppose: after the frustration comes the satisfaction of 
 learning something new and solving a problem.

Can you show an URL to an simplified testcase, please?

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] Safari reading IE comments

2008-01-31 Thread Ingo Chao
jeffrey morin wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 Has anyone ever come across a case where Safari will actually read what is
 in your IE conditional comments? i have never seen this before but am
 getting that now. IE conditionals are being used to deliver certain jsp
 files to certain versions but safari is just treating it like the comment
 isn't there. WEIRD! if anyone has had something like this happen and has any
 idea what's going on please email me. i'm on digest so you can just email me
 directly.
 
 Thanks so much
 Jeff

Can you please post an URL to an simplified test case?

Ingo

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[css-d] help! with IE7 BG not at full height, and no footer colour..

2008-01-31 Thread Rob freeman
Hi everyone, Im having a few problems in IE displaying a repeated
background (faux columns). also at the bottom of the page I have a
footer which doesnt display the background colour but has the working
links??

I am using dremweaver CS3 on a Mac and all the validation passes and
displays correctly in Firefox, Safari and Opera. I just can't work out
whats going on..

Please could someone help as I have to get this live asap..

here is the link:
http://www.twistedjunkie.eclipse.co.uk/index009.html

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Re: [css-d] help! with IE7 BG not at full height, and no footer colour..

2008-01-31 Thread Ingo Chao
Rob freeman wrote:
 Hi everyone, Im having a few problems in IE displaying a repeated
 background (faux columns). also at the bottom of the page I have a
 footer which doesnt display the background colour but has the working
 links??
 ...
 http://www.twistedjunkie.eclipse.co.uk/index009.html
 

#content and #footer need haslayout set, for example zoom:1

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Re: [css-d] form/fieldset alignment in IE

2008-01-31 Thread David Laakso
Ray Leventhal wrote:

 http://www.cprtools.net/reg/regform1.php


 IE7, is moving the topmost fieldset to the right edge of the viewport, 
 leaving the 2nd fieldset where it belongs.

 IE6 (WinXPSP2) is doing much the same as it's older sister, but leaving 
 some space to the right of the fieldset as compared to the viewport edge.


 -Ray

   



Assuming you can mess around and play games with the html:




/select

br / :: add ::


label for=phonePhone:nbsp;/label
input type=text id=phone size=35 name=phonespan 
class=req*/spanbr
label for=faxFax:nbsp;/label
input type=text id=fax size=35br
label for=emailEmail:nbsp;/label
input onblur=checkemail() type=text id=email name=email 
size=35span class=req*/spanbr

/fieldset


div!-- --/div :: add ::


And you may want to pay a visit to the Markup Validation Service.


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Re: [css-d] form/fieldset alignment in IE

2008-01-31 Thread Highpowered
Ray Leventhal wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Once again, our problem child is IE.
 
 The page at:
 
 http://www.cprtools.net/reg/regform1.php
 
 looks and performs as expected in Opera, FF2, Webkit28233 (Win,  MacOS 
 10.5).
 
 IE7, is moving the topmost fieldset to the right edge of the viewport, 
 leaving the 2nd fieldset where it belongs.
 
 IE6 (WinXPSP2) is doing much the same as it's older sister, but leaving 
 some space to the right of the fieldset as compared to the viewport edge.
 
 I'm feeing first E.Meyer's reset.css 
 (http://www.cprtools.net/reg/reset.css), then styling with
 http://www.cprtools.net/reg/style.css after.
 
 Any pointers are, as usual, greatly appreciated.
 
 Kind regards,
 -Ray
 
For IE 6, try assigning a fixed width (try 800px) to your form#regform 
as well as text-align:left and margin: 0 auto .Change your fieldset 
widths to auto, and see if that doesn't help get you a little closer to 
what you're looking to do.

-HP
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Re: [css-d] Columns? A Theoretical Question

2008-01-31 Thread Highpowered
Reese wrote:
 I'm faced with an issue I worked around once before, it presents
 again with a new face so I'd like to find an ultimate cure, not
 make do with the cheesy work-around.
 
 I need a div container with div-class items that auto-fill left
 or right. Such that:
 Item1 seeks top-left position(possibly unique ID but this should
 be a source code issue - if it's at the top of the stack then it
 is at the top of the stack),
 Item2 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
 Item3 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
 Item4 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty, etc.
 
 The goal is left-to right recursive, in rows.
 
 Below, a crude ascii graphic. I've been through the CSS so many
 times and changed so many things, I'm getting lost and I'd like
 to start over. What can I do, to make item elements auto-fill
 in rows starting from top-left?
 
 Reese
 
 --/
 |Logo| Header content area/
 |Area|/
 |-/
 |Left|  --- - /
 |Nav |  | Item 1   || Item 2 |/
 |Menu|  |  |||/
 |Item|  |  |||/
 |Area|  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  --- -|/
 ||  | Item3|| Item 4 |/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  --- -|/
 ||  | Item 5   || Item 6 |/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ctrl^v

Have you tried using a ul to contain each Item as an li, and 
assigning definite dimensions to the lis and floating them left, or 
assigning display:inline to the lis? With each Item/li in either 
case, they will flow like that.

Starting with that in mind, you could take it further, and I'm thinking 
that what you want is a bit more complicated, and I've oversimplified or 
not understood what you're asking. I apologize for that if I have done that.

-HP
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[css-d] css positioning problems

2008-01-31 Thread Ron Zisman
http://www.ricochet.org/ricochet2/company_principal2.html


2 more positioning problems:

in the blue bar at the top is contact copy

  #top {width:100%}

#top p { positioned from the left } which means if the font scales  
differently in different browsers, it's not going to expand as i'd like.
didn't know how to position the right side of the copy as top is 100%  
and the right margin is a variable.
tried to position absolute, probably didn't know what i was doing,  
but the blue bar (#top) disappeared completely.

so , i'd like the right side of the text to align with right hand  
side of the yellow box (header), and expand to the left.

second issue:

the 'Communications Design' #header h2. actually all h2's. ah,  
scaling doesn't work so well.

the major issue is with the header h2, as positioned, when type is  
scaled, it loses position and drops down and to the left, yellow on  
yellow and yellow on gray, not very attractive, at least not to this  
print designer.

it also screws up the line-up of the navigation columns

  i know this is a lot to ask for on the cheap, but... can you throw  
me a bone?

thanks,

ron
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Re: [css-d] Columns? A Theoretical Question

2008-01-31 Thread Tudor Hariton
Highpowered wrote:
 Reese wrote:
   
 I'm faced with an issue I worked around once before, it presents
 again with a new face so I'd like to find an ultimate cure, not
 make do with the cheesy work-around.

 I need a div container with div-class items that auto-fill left
 or right. Such that:
 Item1 seeks top-left position(possibly unique ID but this should
 be a source code issue - if it's at the top of the stack then it
 is at the top of the stack),
 Item2 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
 Item3 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
 Item4 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty, etc.

 The goal is left-to right recursive, in rows.

 Below, a crude ascii graphic. I've been through the CSS so many
 times and changed so many things, I'm getting lost and I'd like
 to start over. What can I do, to make item elements auto-fill
 in rows starting from top-left?

 Reese

 --/
 |Logo| Header content area/
 |Area|/
 |-/
 |Left|  --- - /
 |Nav |  | Item 1   || Item 2 |/
 |Menu|  |  |||/
 |Item|  |  |||/
 |Area|  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  --- -|/
 ||  | Item3|| Item 4 |/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  --- -|/
 ||  | Item 5   || Item 6 |/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ctrl^v
 

 Have you tried using a ul to contain each Item as an li, and 
 assigning definite dimensions to the lis and floating them left, or 
 assigning display:inline to the lis? With each Item/li in either 
 case, they will flow like that.

 Starting with that in mind, you could take it further, and I'm thinking 
 that what you want is a bit more complicated, and I've oversimplified or 
 not understood what you're asking. I apologize for that if I have done that.

 -HP
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If I understand it right... you could do this with every item in a div 
with float: left;
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Re: [css-d] Columns? A Theoretical Question

2008-01-31 Thread Chris Broadfoot
Tudor Hariton wrote:
 Highpowered wrote:
 Reese wrote:
   
 I'm faced with an issue I worked around once before, it presents
 again with a new face so I'd like to find an ultimate cure, not
 make do with the cheesy work-around.

 I need a div container with div-class items that auto-fill left
 or right. Such that:
 Item1 seeks top-left position(possibly unique ID but this should
 be a source code issue - if it's at the top of the stack then it
 is at the top of the stack),
 Item2 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
 Item3 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty,
 Item4 fills a right position only if the left is non-empty, etc.

 The goal is left-to right recursive, in rows.

 Below, a crude ascii graphic. I've been through the CSS so many
 times and changed so many things, I'm getting lost and I'd like
 to start over. What can I do, to make item elements auto-fill
 in rows starting from top-left?

 Reese

 --/
 |Logo| Header content area/
 |Area|/
 |-/
 |Left|  --- - /
 |Nav |  | Item 1   || Item 2 |/
 |Menu|  |  |||/
 |Item|  |  |||/
 |Area|  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  --- -|/
 ||  | Item3|| Item 4 |/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  --- -|/
 ||  | Item 5   || Item 6 |/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ||  |  |||/
 ctrl^v
 
 Have you tried using a ul to contain each Item as an li, and 
 assigning definite dimensions to the lis and floating them left, or 
 assigning display:inline to the lis? With each Item/li in either 
 case, they will flow like that.

 Starting with that in mind, you could take it further, and I'm thinking 
 that what you want is a bit more complicated, and I've oversimplified or 
 not understood what you're asking. I apologize for that if I have done that.

 -HP
   
 If I understand it right... you could do this with every item in a div 
 with float: left;

You could, but surely as they're labeled Item x in the diagram, it's 
more suited to a list, anyway :)

Chris.

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Re: [css-d] css positioning problems

2008-01-31 Thread David Laakso
Ron Zisman wrote:
 http://www.ricochet.org/ricochet2/company_principal2.html


 2 more positioning problems:

 in the blue bar at the top is contact copy

   #top {width:100%}

 #top p { positioned from the left } which means if the font scales  
 differently in different browsers, it's not going to expand as i'd like.
 didn't know how to position the right side of the copy as top is 100%  
 and the right margin is a variable.
 tried to position absolute, probably didn't know what i was doing,  
 but the blue bar (#top) disappeared completely.

 so , i'd like the right side of the text to align with right hand  
 side of the yellow box (header), and expand to the left.

 second issue:

 the 'Communications Design' #header h2. actually all h2's. ah,  
 scaling doesn't work so well.

 the major issue is with the header h2, as positioned, when type is  
 scaled, it loses position and drops down and to the left, yellow on  
 yellow and yellow on gray, not very attractive, at least not to this  
 print designer.

 it also screws up the line-up of the navigation columns

   i know this is a lot to ask for on the cheap, but... can you throw  
 me a bone?

 thanks,

 ron
   


#stuff {border: 1px solid red; overflow: hidden; }  :: add new 
ruleset: 1st id to open/last to close in markup

#wrapper {  border-right: 1px solid blue; position : relative; } 
- :: add to selector ::

#header{
 /*height:210px;*/ min-height: 20.2em; -- :: amend
}


* html #header{
height: 20.2em; -- :: for the evil one
}


#top p {
 /*position:relative;  ---  :: delete these 3
 left:368px;
 padding:5px;*/
text-align: right; ---  :: add
margin:0;
 letter-spacing:.2em;
font-weight:lighter;
font-size:.9em;
}

.inside {width:768px; overflow : hidden;   border: 1px solid fuchsia;} 
 :: add new ruleset: see markup below


body
div id=stuff
div id=top

div class=inside
pspanricochet: communication design/span | 845
735 3392 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]/p
/div!-- closes .inside --

/div!-- closes #top --
div id=wrapper



Communication Design will remain adjacent to the right side of the 
yellow  gray blocks; however, becuse it is a long word in a narrow 
width, Communication will brel right at +2.

Since you wrote you wrote earlier you did not look at in IE6 or IE7, 
neither did I.

I hope this helps and the mail does not mangle it too much.

Best,
~dL













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Re: [css-d] css positioning problems

2008-01-31 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote:
 Ron Zisman wrote:
 http://www.ricochet.org/ricochet2/company_principal2.html

 the 'Communications Design' #header h2. actually all h2's. ah,  
 scaling doesn't work so well.



 ron
   



I neglected to include this in my last reply. You'll need it to position 
#header h2.

#header h2 { border : 1px solid red;
position: absolute; top: 8.45em; left: 770px; -  :: add
/*float:right;   :: delete 
these three
margin: -210px -155px 0 0;
padding-top:151px;*/
padding: 0;
font-weight: 200;
font-size:1.7em;
color:#ffbc08;
text-align: left;
}


Best,
~dL










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