Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
On Sunday 25 May 2014 18:43:03 Saija Saarenpää wrote: I prefer the editing abilities a forum gives over everything else. For example QtProject forum http://qt-project.org has done it really well. They have the possibility to extend the documentation by leaving notes and code examples. Also a whole section to provide snippets. The thing which I dislike in mailing lists that sometimes for solving a simple issue I need to read the whole chain of emails to catch the one which has the correct and working solution. In the forum it's possible to modify the original question to include the correct answer or even save a separate code snippet in the wiki, which is easy to find if tagged properly. You are talking about QA sites == TJC, they implement it in a way better than forum And the good part is that there is no fixed sections: they are individual based on tags. And anybody can set own set of tag filters (to filter out e.g. ranting). - denis - Saija Ircnet/freenode/matrixx @setelani Lähetetty iPadista Christopher Lamb christopher.l...@thurweb.ch kirjoitti 25.5.2014 kello 18.13: Hi Thomas Thanks for your input. I suspect the whole mailing-list vs forum thing will be a matter of taste and experience. Both have their plus sides and downsides. I am now trying out Thunderbird, but will hold of commenting until I have got used to it. On 24.05.14 19:32, Thomas B. Rücker wrote: Hi, ... * Private Messages I'm not sure if you are serious. Did you hear about this thing called … email? ... I counter with have you heard of this thing called privacy? In some forums your email is suppresed by default. Other users only see your avatar, and thus pms are used for back-channel talk instead of email. In a small intimate community like this one, privacy (or invasion thereof) should not be a problem, but that might change if the community were to mushroom in size. m.f.g Chris B.t.w my Pizza has to be the classic Napoli ... ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
Hi, just to add a bit of my opinion as well. Just a mailing list is imho not enough. Personally, I like a forum. Even though, due to its nature(?), it might attract more OT discussion. However, such OT discussion can be canalized by proper categorization, e.g., OT sections etc. Canalizing discussions into topics, e.g., hardware, software, OT, general, etc. is imho one nice feature of a forum. But other neat features had been mentioned here already as well. I think QA sites like stackoverflow or tjc are also very handy. Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. BR, Ruediger On 05/26/2014 08:45 AM, Denis Zalevskiy wrote: On Sunday 25 May 2014 18:43:03 Saija Saarenpää wrote: I prefer the editing abilities a forum gives over everything else. For example QtProject forum http://qt-project.org has done it really well. They have the possibility to extend the documentation by leaving notes and code examples. Also a whole section to provide snippets. The thing which I dislike in mailing lists that sometimes for solving a simple issue I need to read the whole chain of emails to catch the one which has the correct and working solution. In the forum it's possible to modify the original question to include the correct answer or even save a separate code snippet in the wiki, which is easy to find if tagged properly. You are talking about QA sites == TJC, they implement it in a way better than forum And the good part is that there is no fixed sections: they are individual based on tags. And anybody can set own set of tag filters (to filter out e.g. ranting). - denis - Saija Ircnet/freenode/matrixx @setelani Lähetetty iPadista Christopher Lamb christopher.l...@thurweb.ch kirjoitti 25.5.2014 kello 18.13: Hi Thomas Thanks for your input. I suspect the whole mailing-list vs forum thing will be a matter of taste and experience. Both have their plus sides and downsides. I am now trying out Thunderbird, but will hold of commenting until I have got used to it. On 24.05.14 19:32, Thomas B. Rücker wrote: Hi, ... * Private Messages I'm not sure if you are serious. Did you hear about this thing called … email? ... I counter with have you heard of this thing called privacy? In some forums your email is suppresed by default. Other users only see your avatar, and thus pms are used for back-channel talk instead of email. In a small intimate community like this one, privacy (or invasion thereof) should not be a problem, but that might change if the community were to mushroom in size. m.f.g Chris B.t.w my Pizza has to be the classic Napoli ... ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- http://ruedigergad.com ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
On 26/05/14 10:21, Ruediger Gad wrote: Hi, just to add a bit of my opinion as well. Just a mailing list is imho not enough. Personally, I like a forum. Even though, due to its nature(?), it might attract more OT discussion. However, such OT discussion can be canalized by proper categorization, e.g., OT sections etc. Canalizing discussions into topics, e.g., hardware, software, OT, general, etc. is imho one nice feature of a forum. But other neat features had been mentioned here already as well. I think QA sites like stackoverflow or tjc are also very handy. Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. Aren't a QA site *and* a forum quite overlapping? What is missing from the current together.jolla.com that you would have in a forum? Currently (to my knowledge): * You can edit your posts afterwards * You can have sticky posts * You can find quickly the right [TM] answer * You can have karma * You cannot have sections and subsections (but you have tags) * You can have mail notifications of posts Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
On 05/26/2014 09:21 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote: Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. I know that from other projects and what happened there was that some people use forums and some people use mailinglists. The two communities don't have much intersection. Which might or might not be a desired outcome depending on the size of the community. Personally I have to say that I wouldn't use a forum or any other web-based platform. I mean, if I really had to I'd post my question there but I wouldn't follow discussions, since I'd need to actively visit the forum. I prefer ML because I have one single spot where all messages of all lists can be found and I'm reading along when I have the time to do so. So besides my personal opinion I just wanted to say that too many options for discussion might lead to fragmentation instead of making everybody happy. Norbert ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
You don't need to follow the forum...there are subscriptions, which you can also enable by default on all threads, if you want a ML-like send me an email with the content of every new post 2014-05-26 9:53 GMT+02:00 Norbert Wenzel norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com: On 05/26/2014 09:21 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote: Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. I know that from other projects and what happened there was that some people use forums and some people use mailinglists. The two communities don't have much intersection. Which might or might not be a desired outcome depending on the size of the community. Personally I have to say that I wouldn't use a forum or any other web-based platform. I mean, if I really had to I'd post my question there but I wouldn't follow discussions, since I'd need to actively visit the forum. I prefer ML because I have one single spot where all messages of all lists can be found and I'm reading along when I have the time to do so. So besides my personal opinion I just wanted to say that too many options for discussion might lead to fragmentation instead of making everybody happy. Norbert ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
To take TJC in use, atleast we need to agree a specific tag to be used; (atm seems that there are few in use: app-development, development, silica, qml, ...) And then subscribe that tag, you got them all in your mail. -kimmo -Original Message- From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [mailto:devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] On Behalf Of Norbert Wenzel Sent: 26. toukokuuta 2014 10:54 To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On 05/26/2014 09:21 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote: Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. I know that from other projects and what happened there was that some people use forums and some people use mailinglists. The two communities don't have much intersection. Which might or might not be a desired outcome depending on the size of the community. Personally I have to say that I wouldn't use a forum or any other web-based platform. I mean, if I really had to I'd post my question there but I wouldn't follow discussions, since I'd need to actively visit the forum. I prefer ML because I have one single spot where all messages of all lists can be found and I'm reading along when I have the time to do so. So besides my personal opinion I just wanted to say that too many options for discussion might lead to fragmentation instead of making everybody happy. Norbert ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
Hi Stefano first make Wifi actually work, then invest time in building a better Stack overflow/Forum. As it is, I stopped using my Jolla as my main phone. This was mainly due to not being able to connect to wifi at work, and having to reboot every 5 days. Regards Erlend PS: Taking time to actually answer the valid questions from Filip (SIM, Opensource, etc) would also be nice. On 26.05.2014, at 09:50, Stefano Mosconi stefano.mosc...@jolla.com wrote: On 26/05/14 10:21, Ruediger Gad wrote: Hi, just to add a bit of my opinion as well. Just a mailing list is imho not enough. Personally, I like a forum. Even though, due to its nature(?), it might attract more OT discussion. However, such OT discussion can be canalized by proper categorization, e.g., OT sections etc. Canalizing discussions into topics, e.g., hardware, software, OT, general, etc. is imho one nice feature of a forum. But other neat features had been mentioned here already as well. I think QA sites like stackoverflow or tjc are also very handy. Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. Aren't a QA site *and* a forum quite overlapping? What is missing from the current together.jolla.com that you would have in a forum? Currently (to my knowledge): * You can edit your posts afterwards * You can have sticky posts * You can find quickly the right [TM] answer * You can have karma * You cannot have sections and subsections (but you have tags) * You can have mail notifications of posts Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
On 05/26/2014 09:50 AM, Stefano Mosconi wrote: ... Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Thanks for you answer, both Norbert and you. :) Indeed, the time overhead to manage multiple platforms as well as the points Nobert mentioned are important aspects and to be honest I have no clue about weighting the real trade-offs. With respect to the question what a forum has that the other platforms don't have: In a forum, e.g., I feel that I somehow get better contact to users of my apps. See, e.g., the SkippingStones work-in-progress thread as example: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92695 I also enjoy to read some rather off-topic discussions like Look what I drew on my phone once in a while (which I wouldn't like ending up in my e-mail inbox btw.). There were also other aspects that got mentioned throughout this discussion that I found important. Unfortunately, I am pretty much on the run at the moment so I cannot repeat everything in detail. Generally, I got quite accustomed to using a forum. But then this is all about personal habits that one got used to. Right now, I am primarily using the Sailfish OS etc. sections at talk.maemo.org as semi-official Sailfish OS/Jolla forum replacement. So, in a sense, there is already something like a forum. Maybe this is a viable approach that can be used in the meantime? BR Ruediger Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- http://ruedigergad.com ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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+1 for keeping this ML and (eventually) improving TJC. Personally, TJC currently suffers of one big drawback, which is not even technical: it is perceived more as a generic issue-reporting / feature-requesting tool than anything else. Developer related questions have always been reported on this ML first, and later on TJC mainly when it resulted in a bug of some sort. I'm not against forums, I just can't afford following another on-line source, two is more than enough for my (limited I must admit) spare time :-) On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Norbert Wenzel norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/26/2014 09:21 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote: Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. I know that from other projects and what happened there was that some people use forums and some people use mailinglists. The two communities don't have much intersection. Which might or might not be a desired outcome depending on the size of the community. Personally I have to say that I wouldn't use a forum or any other web-based platform. I mean, if I really had to I'd post my question there but I wouldn't follow discussions, since I'd need to actively visit the forum. I prefer ML because I have one single spot where all messages of all lists can be found and I'm reading along when I have the time to do so. So besides my personal opinion I just wanted to say that too many options for discussion might lead to fragmentation instead of making everybody happy. Norbert ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luca Donaggio ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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On Monday 26 May 2014 10:07:04 Erlend Böe wrote: Hi Stefano first make Wifi actually work, then invest time in building a better Stack overflow/Forum. As it is, I stopped using my Jolla as my main phone. This was mainly due to not being able to connect to wifi at work, and having to reboot every 5 days. WiFi works fine here. And no reboots for months now. Have you made a bug report? Best Dag ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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+1 TMO is often the forum of choice for many developers (me included), to communicate with users. TJC could have taken this role, but the flat hiearchy, and the focus on QA, it don't fit that much for a discussion (especially between users and devs). - Mail original - De: Ruediger Gad r@gmx.de À: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:16:34 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On 05/26/2014 09:50 AM, Stefano Mosconi wrote: ... Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Thanks for you answer, both Norbert and you. :) Indeed, the time overhead to manage multiple platforms as well as the points Nobert mentioned are important aspects and to be honest I have no clue about weighting the real trade-offs. With respect to the question what a forum has that the other platforms don't have: In a forum, e.g., I feel that I somehow get better contact to users of my apps. See, e.g., the SkippingStones work-in-progress thread as example: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92695 I also enjoy to read some rather off-topic discussions like Look what I drew on my phone once in a while (which I wouldn't like ending up in my e-mail inbox btw.). There were also other aspects that got mentioned throughout this discussion that I found important. Unfortunately, I am pretty much on the run at the moment so I cannot repeat everything in detail. Generally, I got quite accustomed to using a forum. But then this is all about personal habits that one got used to. Right now, I am primarily using the Sailfish OS etc. sections at talk.maemo.org as semi-official Sailfish OS/Jolla forum replacement. So, in a sense, there is already something like a forum. Maybe this is a viable approach that can be used in the meantime? BR Ruediger Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- http://ruedigergad.com ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
Without sections and subsection it is only ocean of mess. Mess of tags not helped. :( Kaacz Mon May 26 2014 09:50:11 GMT+0200 (CEST), Stefano Mosconi napsal: On 26/05/14 10:21, Ruediger Gad wrote: Hi, just to add a bit of my opinion as well. Just a mailing list is imho not enough. Personally, I like a forum. Even though, due to its nature(?), it might attract more OT discussion. However, such OT discussion can be canalized by proper categorization, e.g., OT sections etc. Canalizing discussions into topics, e.g., hardware, software, OT, general, etc. is imho one nice feature of a forum. But other neat features had been mentioned here already as well. I think QA sites like stackoverflow or tjc are also very handy. Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. Aren't a QA site *and* a forum quite overlapping? What is missing from the current together.jolla.com that you would have in a forum? Currently (to my knowledge): * You can edit your posts afterwards * You can have sticky posts * You can find quickly the right [TM] answer * You can have karma * You cannot have sections and subsections (but you have tags) * You can have mail notifications of posts Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Sent from Jolla phone. Powered by Linux. No Windows, no viruses. :) ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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I agree, sections and subsections are important, random tags can't take their role imho :/ An alternative could be to force people to use only a LIMITED number of tags decided by Jolla? in that way we'd only have tags which basically act as sections. That means losing tags as we know it, and trying to turn tags into something like sections 2014-05-26 10:49 GMT+02:00 k...@iol.cz: Without sections and subsection it is only ocean of mess. Mess of tags not helped. :( Kaacz Mon May 26 2014 09:50:11 GMT+0200 (CEST), Stefano Mosconi napsal: On 26/05/14 10:21, Ruediger Gad wrote: Hi, just to add a bit of my opinion as well. Just a mailing list is imho not enough. Personally, I like a forum. Even though, due to its nature(?), it might attract more OT discussion. However, such OT discussion can be canalized by proper categorization, e.g., OT sections etc. Canalizing discussions into topics, e.g., hardware, software, OT, general, etc. is imho one nice feature of a forum. But other neat features had been mentioned here already as well. I think QA sites like stackoverflow or tjc are also very handy. Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. Aren't a QA site *and* a forum quite overlapping? What is missing from the current together.jolla.com that you would have in a forum? Currently (to my knowledge): * You can edit your posts afterwards * You can have sticky posts * You can find quickly the right [TM] answer * You can have karma * You cannot have sections and subsections (but you have tags) * You can have mail notifications of posts Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.comrather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Sent from Jolla phone. Powered by Linux. No Windows, no viruses. :) ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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On Monday 26 May 2014 10:49:51 sfietkonstan...@free.fr wrote: +1 TMO is often the forum of choice for many developers (me included), to maybe because you are using TMO for a long time and have a habbit to use it ? Also because many people who develop and developed for mobile linux also has the same habbit :) So, it is easier to find 'em there. - denis communicate with users. TJC could have taken this role, but the flat hiearchy, and the focus on QA, it don't fit that much for a discussion (especially between users and devs). - Mail original - De: Ruediger Gad r@gmx.de À: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:16:34 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On 05/26/2014 09:50 AM, Stefano Mosconi wrote: ... Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Thanks for you answer, both Norbert and you. :) Indeed, the time overhead to manage multiple platforms as well as the points Nobert mentioned are important aspects and to be honest I have no clue about weighting the real trade-offs. With respect to the question what a forum has that the other platforms don't have: In a forum, e.g., I feel that I somehow get better contact to users of my apps. See, e.g., the SkippingStones work-in-progress thread as example: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92695 I also enjoy to read some rather off-topic discussions like Look what I drew on my phone once in a while (which I wouldn't like ending up in my e-mail inbox btw.). There were also other aspects that got mentioned throughout this discussion that I found important. Unfortunately, I am pretty much on the run at the moment so I cannot repeat everything in detail. Generally, I got quite accustomed to using a forum. But then this is all about personal habits that one got used to. Right now, I am primarily using the Sailfish OS etc. sections at talk.maemo.org as semi-official Sailfish OS/Jolla forum replacement. So, in a sense, there is already something like a forum. Maybe this is a viable approach that can be used in the meantime? BR Ruediger Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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On Monday 26 May 2014 10:52:43 Andrea Bernabei wrote: I agree, sections and subsections are important, random tags can't take their role imho :/ An alternative could be to force people to use only a LIMITED number of tags decided by Jolla? in that way we'd only have tags which basically act as sections. That means losing tags as we know it, and trying to turn tags into something like sections tags are much more flexible. Maybe just need to suppy ability to create custom set of tags and remember it as the custom search aka Section :) - denis 2014-05-26 10:49 GMT+02:00 k...@iol.cz: Without sections and subsection it is only ocean of mess. Mess of tags not helped. :( Kaacz Mon May 26 2014 09:50:11 GMT+0200 (CEST), Stefano Mosconi napsal: On 26/05/14 10:21, Ruediger Gad wrote: Hi, just to add a bit of my opinion as well. Just a mailing list is imho not enough. Personally, I like a forum. Even though, due to its nature(?), it might attract more OT discussion. However, such OT discussion can be canalized by proper categorization, e.g., OT sections etc. Canalizing discussions into topics, e.g., hardware, software, OT, general, etc. is imho one nice feature of a forum. But other neat features had been mentioned here already as well. I think QA sites like stackoverflow or tjc are also very handy. Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. Aren't a QA site *and* a forum quite overlapping? What is missing from the current together.jolla.com that you would have in a forum? Currently (to my knowledge): * You can edit your posts afterwards * You can have sticky posts * You can find quickly the right [TM] answer * You can have karma * You cannot have sections and subsections (but you have tags) * You can have mail notifications of posts Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.comrather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Sent from Jolla phone. Powered by Linux. No Windows, no viruses. :) ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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On Monday 26 May 2014 10:18:00 Luca Donaggio wrote: +1 for keeping this ML and (eventually) improving TJC. Personally, TJC currently suffers of one big drawback, which is not even technical: it is perceived more as a generic issue-reporting / feature-requesting tool than anything else. +1 So, it just need to be visually boosted: - to have some ready-made templates for new posts - to have also forum-like page just hiding tags under the hood :) - denis Developer related questions have always been reported on this ML first, and later on TJC mainly when it resulted in a bug of some sort. I'm not against forums, I just can't afford following another on-line source, two is more than enough for my (limited I must admit) spare time :-) On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Norbert Wenzel norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/26/2014 09:21 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote: Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. I know that from other projects and what happened there was that some people use forums and some people use mailinglists. The two communities don't have much intersection. Which might or might not be a desired outcome depending on the size of the community. Personally I have to say that I wouldn't use a forum or any other web-based platform. I mean, if I really had to I'd post my question there but I wouldn't follow discussions, since I'd need to actively visit the forum. I prefer ML because I have one single spot where all messages of all lists can be found and I'm reading along when I have the time to do so. So besides my personal opinion I just wanted to say that too many options for discussion might lead to fragmentation instead of making everybody happy. Norbert ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
I went active on TMO while developing for SFOS. It's not even a habit but more about easiness to use. Forum have a clear hiearchy (better than TJC), and a thread system (like in ML). It's focused on discussion (unlike TJC), and provides some useful tools (edit, formatting, thanks button; better than a ML). IMO it's the perfect mix for engaging discussions inside the users community, and between devs and users. It might not work well to provide feedback to Jolla (TJC might do this better), and is less efficient than ML for devs to devs discussions. So I appreciate to have the 3 tools available, and would love to see Jolla cooperate with TMO as a forum of choice for discussions. - Mail original - De: Denis Zalevskiy denis.zalevs...@jollamobile.com À: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:55:10 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On Monday 26 May 2014 10:49:51 sfietkonstan...@free.fr wrote: +1 TMO is often the forum of choice for many developers (me included), to maybe because you are using TMO for a long time and have a habbit to use it ? Also because many people who develop and developed for mobile linux also has the same habbit :) So, it is easier to find 'em there. - denis communicate with users. TJC could have taken this role, but the flat hiearchy, and the focus on QA, it don't fit that much for a discussion (especially between users and devs). - Mail original - De: Ruediger Gad r@gmx.de À: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:16:34 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On 05/26/2014 09:50 AM, Stefano Mosconi wrote: ... Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Thanks for you answer, both Norbert and you. :) Indeed, the time overhead to manage multiple platforms as well as the points Nobert mentioned are important aspects and to be honest I have no clue about weighting the real trade-offs. With respect to the question what a forum has that the other platforms don't have: In a forum, e.g., I feel that I somehow get better contact to users of my apps. See, e.g., the SkippingStones work-in-progress thread as example: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92695 I also enjoy to read some rather off-topic discussions like Look what I drew on my phone once in a while (which I wouldn't like ending up in my e-mail inbox btw.). There were also other aspects that got mentioned throughout this discussion that I found important. Unfortunately, I am pretty much on the run at the moment so I cannot repeat everything in detail. Generally, I got quite accustomed to using a forum. But then this is all about personal habits that one got used to. Right now, I am primarily using the Sailfish OS etc. sections at talk.maemo.org as semi-official Sailfish OS/Jolla forum replacement. So, in a sense, there is already something like a forum. Maybe this is a viable approach that can be used in the meantime? BR Ruediger Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Follow up on Warnings shown as errors
Hi, I can't reproduce this in Windows XP either. I installer Win XP Pro SP3 (32 bit) and the warnings and errors show up just fine and warnings can be filtered away. Also I don't get the word warning: in front of the warning messages as you can see in the picture I included in the previous message. Is it possible that something in the project you are compiling is producing these messages since they seem to be slightly different from the standard messages? Or have you turned on some extra options in Qt Creator that aren't on by default? What I was trying to say about the compiler was that the Qt Creator that is shipped in the installer is compiled with MSVC 2010. It's not a compiler that can be used with the SDK. But also it does not seem to matter since it works in my Win XP installation. One more thing for you to check: if you create some other project, like the default template project and add some code lines that produce warnings there, do you see the same behavior? Best regards, Juha On 21.05.2014 19:03, Iosif Hamlatzis wrote: As I see you're using a different OS, you use Win7 and I'm on WinXP Pro with SP3, it's one difference. Also you mention of MSVC2010 for the compiler. I am using the one provided with the SDK, that's a second difference. https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9djgevjufj5ekx/only_errors.PNG https://www.dropbox.com/s/prf0b61pzgwgyw3/warnings_errors.PNG From the two screen captures you can see that the same icon is used for both warnings and errors. In the first screen capture I have selected to display only errors, but you can see warnings as well. In the second screen capture I have selected to display both warnings and errors. The result is exactly the same, everything is shown. And in both cases you'll see that no icon is displayed on the line with the error. I know the usage of #error is not exactly the same as having an actual compile error, but it was the fastest way to reproduce the problem. On 21 May 2014 12:25, Juha Kallioinen juha.kallioi...@jolla.com mailto:juha.kallioi...@jolla.com wrote: On 21.05.2014 09 tel:21.05.2014%2009:04, Iosif Hamlatzis wrote: As I haven't gotten a response I am coming back to the issue: After updating to the latest SDK on a Windows XP Pro with SP3 all warnings and errors have the same icon a red triangle. Pressing the button on the QtCreator IDE to display all or only errors doesn't work. Also double clicking on an error or warning it doesn't take me to the corresponding file/line. Sorry, I think I did respond in the most annoying way: works for me. I don't know what else can be done since the same Qt Creator source is used to build the Windows version. The Windows version is built in Windows 7 (32bit) with MSVC2010 compiler. I also tested it in Windows 7 and I do get separate indication for warnings and errors as you can see [1]. Double clicking on an error/warning does take me to the corresponding file and line. Is anyone else having the same problem as Iosif? [1] http://i.imgur.com/MUjDAuM.png I have tried this on two different machines both as an upgrade from previous SDK version and as a clean installation. All occasions similar conclusion. Another thing is that when I try to debug on the actual device the application builds correctly and is automatically deployed on the device then a pop-up dialogue appears asking me for an executable, but which .exe or .cmd file should I use and what parameter should I pass? I presume as a parameter I should pass the name of the application I want to debug, but what is the executable? The debugging from Qt Creator works if Qt Creator knows what the executable it needs to run is. The pop-up dialogue is an indication that in your project this is not the case. Does the simple Sailfish template project application work for you in the way that Qt Creator would know which binary to run and consequently debug? The template project is very simple and it is of template type app (which is the default and not mentioned in the template's .pro file). It only builds one binary and it's quite obvious for Qt Creator that that is the binary it needs to run. I'm not sure how exactly Qt Creator figures out which binary to run in a more complex case. Under the folder .\SailfishAlpha4\mer-sdk-tools\MerSDK\SailfishOS-arm7hl are only files for compiling, packaging and deploying. NO debugging. eg: deploy.cmd gcc.cmd make.cmd qmake.cmd rpm.cmd rpmbuild.cmd These files are internal for Qt Creator and SDK use and there should not be need to study them. Debugging is not done via any of those scripts as you have already discovered. Best regards, Juha ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe,
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
On Monday 26 May 2014 11:03:14 sfietkonstan...@free.fr wrote: I went active on TMO while developing for SFOS. It's not even a habit but more about easiness to use. Forum have a clear hiearchy (better than TJC), and a thread system (like in ML). It's focused on discussion (unlike TJC), and provides some useful imo, it is focused on flame mostly and 90% of thread conversation contains unuseful ranting. tools (edit, formatting, thanks button; better than a ML). IMO it's the formatting - qa voting (better than thanks) - qa perfect mix for engaging discussions inside the users community, and between devs and users. qa is also threaded, and it important that each informative comment can be converted to the answer (read useful post) - denis It might not work well to provide feedback to Jolla (TJC might do this better), and is less efficient than ML for devs to devs discussions. So I appreciate to have the 3 tools available, and would love to see Jolla cooperate with TMO as a forum of choice for discussions. - Mail original - De: Denis Zalevskiy denis.zalevs...@jollamobile.com À: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:55:10 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On Monday 26 May 2014 10:49:51 sfietkonstan...@free.fr wrote: +1 TMO is often the forum of choice for many developers (me included), to maybe because you are using TMO for a long time and have a habbit to use it ? Also because many people who develop and developed for mobile linux also has the same habbit :) So, it is easier to find 'em there. - denis communicate with users. TJC could have taken this role, but the flat hiearchy, and the focus on QA, it don't fit that much for a discussion (especially between users and devs). - Mail original - De: Ruediger Gad r@gmx.de À: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:16:34 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On 05/26/2014 09:50 AM, Stefano Mosconi wrote: ... Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Thanks for you answer, both Norbert and you. :) Indeed, the time overhead to manage multiple platforms as well as the points Nobert mentioned are important aspects and to be honest I have no clue about weighting the real trade-offs. With respect to the question what a forum has that the other platforms don't have: In a forum, e.g., I feel that I somehow get better contact to users of my apps. See, e.g., the SkippingStones work-in-progress thread as example: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92695 I also enjoy to read some rather off-topic discussions like Look what I drew on my phone once in a while (which I wouldn't like ending up in my e-mail inbox btw.). There were also other aspects that got mentioned throughout this discussion that I found important. Unfortunately, I am pretty much on the run at the moment so I cannot repeat everything in detail. Generally, I got quite accustomed to using a forum. But then this is all about personal habits that one got used to. Right now, I am primarily using the Sailfish OS etc. sections at talk.maemo.org as semi-official Sailfish OS/Jolla forum replacement. So, in a sense, there is already something like a forum. Maybe this is a viable approach that can be used in the meantime? BR Ruediger Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
Testing TJC with development issues; https://together.jolla.com/question/43768/dialogconnect-function-loses-its-parent/ -kimmo -Original Message- From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [mailto:devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] On Behalf Of Denis Zalevskiy Sent: 26. toukokuuta 2014 13:28 To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On Monday 26 May 2014 11:03:14 sfietkonstan...@free.fr wrote: I went active on TMO while developing for SFOS. It's not even a habit but more about easiness to use. Forum have a clear hiearchy (better than TJC), and a thread system (like in ML). It's focused on discussion (unlike TJC), and provides some useful imo, it is focused on flame mostly and 90% of thread conversation contains unuseful ranting. tools (edit, formatting, thanks button; better than a ML). IMO it's the formatting - qa voting (better than thanks) - qa perfect mix for engaging discussions inside the users community, and between devs and users. qa is also threaded, and it important that each informative comment can be converted to the answer (read useful post) - denis It might not work well to provide feedback to Jolla (TJC might do this better), and is less efficient than ML for devs to devs discussions. So I appreciate to have the 3 tools available, and would love to see Jolla cooperate with TMO as a forum of choice for discussions. - Mail original - De: Denis Zalevskiy denis.zalevs...@jollamobile.com À: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:55:10 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On Monday 26 May 2014 10:49:51 sfietkonstan...@free.fr wrote: +1 TMO is often the forum of choice for many developers (me included), to maybe because you are using TMO for a long time and have a habbit to use it ? Also because many people who develop and developed for mobile linux also has the same habbit :) So, it is easier to find 'em there. - denis communicate with users. TJC could have taken this role, but the flat hiearchy, and the focus on QA, it don't fit that much for a discussion (especially between users and devs). - Mail original - De: Ruediger Gad r@gmx.de À: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 10:16:34 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On 05/26/2014 09:50 AM, Stefano Mosconi wrote: ... Should we invest our time into making a better together.jolla.com rather than a different platform (this is not rhetorical)? Thanks for you answer, both Norbert and you. :) Indeed, the time overhead to manage multiple platforms as well as the points Nobert mentioned are important aspects and to be honest I have no clue about weighting the real trade-offs. With respect to the question what a forum has that the other platforms don't have: In a forum, e.g., I feel that I somehow get better contact to users of my apps. See, e.g., the SkippingStones work-in-progress thread as example: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92695 I also enjoy to read some rather off-topic discussions like Look what I drew on my phone once in a while (which I wouldn't like ending up in my e-mail inbox btw.). There were also other aspects that got mentioned throughout this discussion that I found important. Unfortunately, I am pretty much on the run at the moment so I cannot repeat everything in detail. Generally, I got quite accustomed to using a forum. But then this is all about personal habits that one got used to. Right now, I am primarily using the Sailfish OS etc. sections at talk.maemo.org as semi-official Sailfish OS/Jolla forum replacement. So, in a sense, there is already something like a forum. Maybe this is a viable approach that can be used in the meantime? BR Ruediger Stefano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] porting QML app to non sailfishos archs
yes qt5 for android is stable, no idea about ios, sorry. and QtQuick 2.x modules are same for all platforms. 26.05.2014 18:07, mikete...@gmail.com пишет: Hi in short time I'm going to 'port' my pure QML application to android and ios. Currently I import QtQuick 2.0 and QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0 (and Sailfish.Silica 1.0) I use LocalStorage and XMLHttpRequest, I try to keep it simple, I'm using only Rectangle, Row, Text, TextInput, MouseArea, few anchors. In short, nothing specific to Silica. Do you think that I'll be fine with this ? Do you have some experience to share ? Is QML on android and ios stable ? Thanks for your attention, wish you a great week, Mike ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] porting QML app to non sailfishos archs
Hi, my way was the opposite. I had an app for Windows and then went for Android. As Sailfish OS came out, I ported it to Sailfish OS. The porting afford to Sailfish OS was a lot higher than for Android. So you are fine when using basic QtQuick 2.0 there without any Silica (I use separate pro files for Windows/Android and Sailfish OS). BR Martin Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 14:07:34 +0200 From: mikete...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: [SailfishDevel] porting QML app to non sailfishos archs Hi in short time I'm going to 'port' my pure QML application to android and ios. Currently I import QtQuick 2.0 and QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0 (and Sailfish.Silica 1.0) I use LocalStorage and XMLHttpRequest, I try to keep it simple, I'm using only Rectangle, Row, Text, TextInput, MouseArea, few anchors. In short, nothing specific to Silica. Do you think that I'll be fine with this ? Do you have some experience to share ? Is QML on android and ios stable ? Thanks for your attention, wish you a great week, Mike ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I agree on these opinions too. So +1. Cheers, Leif-Jöran Den 2014-05-26 10:18, Luca Donaggio skrev: +1 for keeping this ML and (eventually) improving TJC. Personally, TJC currently suffers of one big drawback, which is not even technical: it is perceived more as a generic issue-reporting / feature-requesting tool than anything else. Developer related questions have always been reported on this ML first, and later on TJC mainly when it resulted in a bug of some sort. I'm not against forums, I just can't afford following another on-line source, two is more than enough for my (limited I must admit) spare time :-) On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Norbert Wenzel norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com mailto:norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/26/2014 09:21 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote: Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. I know that from other projects and what happened there was that some people use forums and some people use mailinglists. The two communities don't have much intersection. Which might or might not be a desired outcome depending on the size of the community. Personally I have to say that I wouldn't use a forum or any other web-based platform. I mean, if I really had to I'd post my question there but I wouldn't follow discussions, since I'd need to actively visit the forum. I prefer ML because I have one single spot where all messages of all lists can be found and I'm reading along when I have the time to do so. So besides my personal opinion I just wanted to say that too many options for discussion might lead to fragmentation instead of making everybody happy. Norbert ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org mailto:devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luca Donaggio ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFTgzGihcIn5aVXOPIRAmMFAKC9hAEWPOg5Jdq9DwM/g5hgXkMWIgCgs5cC Rn/fqlsEp2OMMfHjG20wj1E= =xh+1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] porting QML app to non sailfishos archs
Thanks to all for the inputs! :) On Mon, 26 May 2014 14:17:40 +0200 Martin Windolph mar...@yoktobit.de wrote: Hi, my way was the opposite. I had an app for Windows and then went for Android. As Sailfish OS came out, I ported it to Sailfish OS. The porting afford to Sailfish OS was a lot higher than for Android. So you are fine when using basic QtQuick 2.0 there without any Silica (I use separate pro files for Windows/Android and Sailfish OS). BR Martin Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 14:07:34 +0200 From: mikete...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: [SailfishDevel] porting QML app to non sailfishos archs Hi in short time I'm going to 'port' my pure QML application to android and ios. Currently I import QtQuick 2.0 and QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0 (and Sailfish.Silica 1.0) I use LocalStorage and XMLHttpRequest, I try to keep it simple, I'm using only Rectangle, Row, Text, TextInput, MouseArea, few anchors. In short, nothing specific to Silica. Do you think that I'll be fine with this ? Do you have some experience to share ? Is QML on android and ios stable ? Thanks for your attention, wish you a great week, Mike ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
On Monday 26 May 2014 10:18 Luca Donaggio wrote: +1 for keeping this ML and (eventually) improving TJC. Personally, TJC currently suffers of one big drawback, which is not even technical: it is perceived more as a generic issue-reporting / feature-requesting tool than anything else. Developer related questions have always been reported on this ML first, and later on TJC mainly when it resulted in a bug of some sort. I'm not against forums, I just can't afford following another on-line source, two is more than enough for my (limited I must admit) spare time :-) Also a +1 from me. -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Thomas Tanghus ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
Hi everybody, So, current situation is: ML: official, could use, in dare times ;-), some moderation TJC: official, nedd some improvements, but nobody can deny the success of QA sites (see Stackoverflow) as a developer helping tool TMO: unofficial, suits all the needs of forum estimators. has it already been suggested/considered to actually just use stackoverflow.com for discussing things related to SailfishOS development?Stackexchange allows email subscriptions filtered by tag as well as browsing the site filtered by tag (or favoring tags). In addition to already mentioned advantages/disadvantages of QA sites: + most software developers probably already have a stackexchange account+ taking these topics into a generic developer platform might increase awareness of SailfishOS development, and SailfishOS in general+ there could also be a symbiosis with other Qt users Best regards, Jens ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
Thanks for the lengthy discussion. Don't forget that the topic will also be discussed tomorrow during the weekly sailfish OS meeting (http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings) Please come and discuss on actions to be taken :) Cheers, Lucien - Mail original - De: Thomas Tanghus tho...@tanghus.net À: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 17:59:07 Objet: Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum On Monday 26 May 2014 10:18 Luca Donaggio wrote: +1 for keeping this ML and (eventually) improving TJC. Personally, TJC currently suffers of one big drawback, which is not even technical: it is perceived more as a generic issue-reporting / feature-requesting tool than anything else. Developer related questions have always been reported on this ML first, and later on TJC mainly when it resulted in a bug of some sort. I'm not against forums, I just can't afford following another on-line source, two is more than enough for my (limited I must admit) spare time :-) Also a +1 from me. -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Thomas Tanghus ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] was Acceptable Behaviour.. -- Forum
Hi all, I think Norman is bang on with the fragmentation issue. To address this I propose a possible solution. Why not convert this mailing list to a 'virtual' one; By that I mean move all discussion to a devel section on TJC and have the mailing list be another frontend or interface if you like for the same content(yet better, keep all mails and posts with their metadata in the same database and create an API that both ML and TJC can call thus eases applification too, kind of like MVC). To accommodate this TJC (or at least the proposed devel section) would have to be changed/improved to have a treelike structure alongside its QA nature so that OT answers and its children can easily be tagged and filtered out in both TJC and ML interfaces. OT tag should be available for every poster to tag their answer/comment. To achieve this there should be 2 scripts one that converts each mail to mailing list to a new question/answer/comment retaining the treelike structure and one other sc ript that posts entries from TJC to ML setting the subject correctly as it is now; Perhaps with an x minutes latency to alllow for editing post. If one wants to use a different email address for the mailing list that is set for TJC a setting should be available. Further to this subsections(Qt, Qml, news, politics, ads, jobs etc) could be introduced making it easier to filter or subscribe to selected subsections only; This could benefit both interfaces. Having this approach I believe would give users/developers the flexibility to choose, mix and match the best way(for them) to interact with fellow developers whilst not fragmenting the community. The obvious tradeoff is some developer hours, but doing it in the open could reduce that somewhat especially when it comes to maintenance. Please do comment on what you all think about my proposition, be it positive or negative. Thanks Kris Ps: I'd prefer QA, but mailing list has been more effective in my experience so far. On Mon May 26 2014 08:53:32 GMT+0100 (BST), Norbert Wenzel wrote: On 05/26/2014 09:21 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote: Why not let the users make the decision? I.e., we have a mailing list and a QA site already, just the forum is missing. So, if there were a forum as well, it would show over time how the usage and the user counts of the different infrastructures develops. I know that from other projects and what happened there was that some people use forums and some people use mailinglists. The two communities don't have much intersection. Which might or might not be a desired outcome depending on the size of the community. Personally I have to say that I wouldn't use a forum or any other web-based platform. I mean, if I really had to I'd post my question there but I wouldn't follow discussions, since I'd need to actively visit the forum. I prefer ML because I have one single spot where all messages of all lists can be found and I'm reading along when I have the time to do so. So besides my personal opinion I just wanted to say that too many options for discussion might lead to fragmentation instead of making everybody happy. Norbert ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
[SailfishDevel] Next meeting on SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 27-May @ 15:00 UTC
Hi! Thanks to everyone who've responded on http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings Here's the invitation/reminder for tomorrow's meeting: Date: 27 May 2014 Time: 15:00 UTC, for your local time: http://bit.ly/1pbJprh (note different time from past couple of meetings) Duration 90 minutes Chair: Carol Chen, Community Chief @ Jolla Location: #mer-meeting on Freenode IRC Those without an IRC client can access it here: http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=mer-meeting Current proposed topics: * Intro (5 min) * How to manage internal hacking docs, SK_work (30 min) * More docs: Silica API reference, SK_work (15 min) * Need for separate mailing list or forum, Iekku (15 min) * Bluetooth in Sailfish, ?who suggested this? (10 min) Please familiarize yourself with the topics before the meeting, as well as the common Meetbot commands https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot (it's used for meeting management and logging) Thanks and see you at the meeting! Br, Carol. -- Carol cybette Chen Community Chief @ Jolla http://jolla.com +358403502527 @ SMS,PSTN,WeChat cybette @ FreenodeIRC,Twitter,Weibo,LinkedIn,Skype ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
[SailfishDevel] Changing video recorder resolution, bitrate and encoder
Hello! I want to record VGA quality video with low bitrate, but i'm stuck at using gst presets, just don't know how to change it. I cloned almost everything from jolla-camera application: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/client/qml/Capture.qml https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/client/presets/GstOMXMPEG4VideoEnc-omxmpeg4videoenc.prs https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/client/src/main.cpp#L102 but changing target-bitrate value in preset didnt changed output file size, and also changing videoRecorder resolution causing Missing plugins error. I'm not targeted to Harbour, so i'm accepting any dark-size gst hacks :) With best regards, Andrey Kozhevnikov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Follow up on Warnings shown as errors
I've managed to isolate the problem. If I use the qmake.cmd which is the default (proposed) command file for build/clean then warnings and errors have the same icon and cannot double click on the icon so that the IDE can take me directly to problematic line. This happens in all cases and all templates. On the other hand if I choose to use make.cmd for build/clean then everything works. The errors have different icon from the warnings and I can switch displaying all or only errors. Also double clicking on the icon takes me directly on the problematic line. I am not using any extra options. What it doesn't work is debugging on the device, I haven't yet managed to find which executable the IDE wants. On 26 May 2014 13:18, Juha Kallioinen juha.kallioi...@jolla.com wrote: Hi, I can't reproduce this in Windows XP either. I installer Win XP Pro SP3 (32 bit) and the warnings and errors show up just fine and warnings can be filtered away. Also I don't get the word warning: in front of the warning messages as you can see in the picture I included in the previous message. Is it possible that something in the project you are compiling is producing these messages since they seem to be slightly different from the standard messages? Or have you turned on some extra options in Qt Creator that aren't on by default? What I was trying to say about the compiler was that the Qt Creator that is shipped in the installer is compiled with MSVC 2010. It's not a compiler that can be used with the SDK. But also it does not seem to matter since it works in my Win XP installation. One more thing for you to check: if you create some other project, like the default template project and add some code lines that produce warnings there, do you see the same behavior? Best regards, Juha On 21.05.2014 19:03, Iosif Hamlatzis wrote: As I see you're using a different OS, you use Win7 and I'm on WinXP Pro with SP3, it's one difference. Also you mention of MSVC2010 for the compiler. I am using the one provided with the SDK, that's a second difference. https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9djgevjufj5ekx/only_errors.PNG https://www.dropbox.com/s/prf0b61pzgwgyw3/warnings_errors.PNG From the two screen captures you can see that the same icon is used for both warnings and errors. In the first screen capture I have selected to display only errors, but you can see warnings as well. In the second screen capture I have selected to display both warnings and errors. The result is exactly the same, everything is shown. And in both cases you'll see that no icon is displayed on the line with the error. I know the usage of #error is not exactly the same as having an actual compile error, but it was the fastest way to reproduce the problem. On 21 May 2014 12:25, Juha Kallioinen juha.kallioi...@jolla.com wrote: On 21.05.2014 09:04, Iosif Hamlatzis wrote: As I haven't gotten a response I am coming back to the issue: After updating to the latest SDK on a Windows XP Pro with SP3 all warnings and errors have the same icon a red triangle. Pressing the button on the QtCreator IDE to display all or only errors doesn't work. Also double clicking on an error or warning it doesn't take me to the corresponding file/line. Sorry, I think I did respond in the most annoying way: works for me. I don't know what else can be done since the same Qt Creator source is used to build the Windows version. The Windows version is built in Windows 7 (32bit) with MSVC2010 compiler. I also tested it in Windows 7 and I do get separate indication for warnings and errors as you can see [1]. Double clicking on an error/warning does take me to the corresponding file and line. Is anyone else having the same problem as Iosif? [1] http://i.imgur.com/MUjDAuM.png I have tried this on two different machines both as an upgrade from previous SDK version and as a clean installation. All occasions similar conclusion. Another thing is that when I try to debug on the actual device the application builds correctly and is automatically deployed on the device then a pop-up dialogue appears asking me for an executable, but which .exe or .cmd file should I use and what parameter should I pass? I presume as a parameter I should pass the name of the application I want to debug, but what is the executable? The debugging from Qt Creator works if Qt Creator knows what the executable it needs to run is. The pop-up dialogue is an indication that in your project this is not the case. Does the simple Sailfish template project application work for you in the way that Qt Creator would know which binary to run and consequently debug? The template project is very simple and it is of template type app (which is the default and not mentioned in the template's .pro file). It only builds one binary and it's quite obvious for Qt Creator that that is the binary it needs to run. I'm not sure how exactly Qt Creator figures
