FLUXLIST: FW: [MCLUHAN-L] Paik Wake
hi paik is or not a fluxus artist? pez -- From: purple [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MCLUHAN-L : Marshall McLuhan Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:02:23 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MCLUHAN-L] Paik Wake It was an astounding event. Apparently he's bigger than McLuhan. South Korea is building a big museum dedicated to his oeuvre. The Smithsonian has a lot of his work on display. All the avant-garde luminaries were there. Speeches were given by Yoko Ono, Christo and his wife, Jeanne-Claude, Bill Viola, and yours truly (I told some MM/Paik stories). Telegrams from the President of Korea, the German culture czar, the Smithsonian, etc. His nephew was the best. Here's how he ended his talk: This is an interesting story I'll tell you. Aside from trying to keep him liquid, this is one of the most interesting things I did with him. In 1998, Nam June was invited to a state dinner at the Clinton White House, June of '98. If some of you remember, it's not that long ago, that was the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which had broken out earlier, in January or February. Nam June was going, and he asked if I would go with him. So I said, sure. I went with him. I wheeled him into the White House, and these gigantic Marines took over from there. Nam June was very amused, I think. He was having a great time, talking to all the people there. Then we got to the receiving line. Nam June decided to show respect, I think, to the president, Mrs. Clinton, and the other dignitaries there. He decided to get up from his wheelchair, get on his walker, and try to walk across the receiving line. Across the receiving line at the state dinner is the World's press. They're all there; I don't know how many, tens of cameras and video cameras, everything. So as Nam June is talking to President Clinton, and I'm standing right behind him as he's making some small talk to President Clinton, Nam June turns around and says to me: Ken, I think my pants are falling. True story here. And I said, What? My pants are falling! he says. I look down, and his pants are falling! They are completely down on the floor. And he has no underwear on! So I pick up his pants. I pull them up and I just hold them there. Now, Bill Clinton is such a cool president he still continued to have small talk with my uncle. I think they were talking about Chelsea, maybe, I don't know. A little bit down the line, I could see that Hillary was really not amused at all. She was ticked. But Bill Clinton was saying nothing. It was really quite amazing. After that interesting dinner, Nam June was inundated with phone calls, faxes, everything. All his friends around the world thought that was the best Fluxus performance in the world. Everybody wanted to know, including the press, whether it was an accident or whether it was, because you have to remember, my uncle is in a wheelchair now but he has a reputation for being a cultural terrorist. So I asked Nam June, did you drop your pants on purpose? Was it an act? Was it an artistic statement? A political statement? And so he said, My pants dropped. That's all. He told me, and this is very Nam June, he said, It really doesn't matter. It was a great event. He's just like that, totally unfazed. Was he embarrassed? No, of course not! And I think Bill Clinton was very cool about that, too. The press was so excited that somebody else's pants, not the president's, had dropped in the White House. They were so excited by that. It was the ultimate Fluxus event. About two hours ago, I called Nam June and I told him I was going to receive this Medal for him, and I asked him, What advice do you have for the artists in the Colony? I'll pass on to you what he said. He said, Work hard. Be lazy - which is a very Nam June Paik thing to say. And he wished you all well. Thank you very much. At the end of the memorial today, the nephew handed out about fifty scissors and asked everyone to cut off the tie of the man next to you or you wouldn't be allowed in the reception. Everyone cut off their neighbor's tie and then Yoko suggested everyone put the pieces in Nam's open casket. Everyone did. More amazing things happened at the reception. Bob Dobbs P.S. Since he was a global artist, Paik asked to be buried in 10 countries.
FLUXLIST: FW: [MCLUHAN-L] Fluxus at Harvard (from NYTimes today)
ola/chao -- From: Mark Stahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MCLUHAN-L : Marshall McLuhan Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:47:15 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MCLUHAN-L] Fluxus at Harvard (from NYTimes today) Fluxus at Harvard It is rare for a museum to get an acquisition as a partial gift that is not from a trustee or longtime benefactor, but rather from collectors who have no previous ties to an institution. Such is the case with a group of works that have recently been added to the collection of the Harvard University Art Museums. Included in the group are examples by Christo, Claes Oldenburg, Yoko Ono and George Brecht, who were all part of Fluxus, an international collective of young artists, writers and musicians in the early 1960's. The works were collected by two New Yorkers: Peter Moore, a photographer who died in 1993 and was known for recording Fluxus activities, and his wife, Barbara, an art historian, writer and former rare-book dealer. Part gift, part purchase, the collection includes 121 works, many of them editions and multiples dating from the early 60's through the late 70's. While nobody at Harvard would say what the collection is worth, experts in the field say its value is around $2 million. This was engineered by Jerry Cohn, the former head of prints, said Thomas Lentz, director of the Harvard Art Museums. It's part of our initiative for Harvard to move more forcefully into the realm of modern and contemporary art. Since much of the Fluxus aesthetic involved the viewer's participation, the collection goes right to the heart of the Harvard museums' mission: to provide students and scholars close interaction with art. Besides examples by well-known artists like Mr. Oldenburg and Christo, there are also 20 works by George Maciunas, the Lithuanian-born artist who died in 1978. He gave the movement its name and organized and promoted many of its efforts. The acquisition complements the Willy and Charlotte Reber Collection of works by Joseph Beuys, which is at the Busch-Reisinger Museum at Harvard. The Moore Collection will go into another Harvard museum, the Fogg Art Museum.
FLUXLIST: FW: ART NATURE PROJECT XXI : Newsletter n° 3
Title: FW: ART NATURE PROJECT XXI : Newsletter n° 3 hi all this is not exactly fluxus but is near pez -- From: Thierry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:57:26 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ART NATURE PROJECT XXI : Newsletter n° 3 Espace ressource collaboratif des artistes et chercheurs. Carrefour d'échange des expériences. Incubateur de projets sur les relations entre sciences art et nature et leurs implications NEWS LETTER N°3 février 2004 Rappel des objectifs du projet L'objectif du projet est de réunir en seul espace: une base documentaire sur les interactions art-nature grâce à des articles réalisés par des personnalités reconnues ou anonymes qui pourront dans leurs spécialités respectives documenter et alimenter la base pour un usage commun et gratuit. Les articles seront réalisé sous Licence Art Libre ou Copyright. Les activités succeptibles d'être abordés sont : la peinture, la sculpture, les pratiques d'art numérique (quelqu'en soit le support), l'architecture, l'urbanisme, l'art du paysage, la photographie, les rapports art-science. un espace d'échange des pratiques, un espace projets, un choix d'oeuvres, un annuaire, un agenda Articles récents: Pas d'articles ce mois ci Je compte sur vous pour participer à l'élaboration du projet, je n'ai ni le temps ni les compétences pour écrire sur tous les thèmes. Le bien le plus précieux n'est pas l'argent mais le temps, apprenons à partager nos trésors de connaissance. Agenda: Retrouvez les dates des expos en cours à venir. Annuaire nouvelles entrées: Artistes: Sommerer et Mignonneau créateurs de Life Spacies présenté au festival Art Outsiders 2002 Isabelle Hayeur artiste québecquoise qui propose par ses oeuvres photographiques ou interactives une réflexion sur les effets néfastes de nos actions sur le paysage. Architecture: Frederic Bonnet est architecte et auteur de nombreux ouvrages sur l'architecture bien sûr mais de façon plus globale sur le paysage, la ville et la nature ou la notion de paysage et d'espace public. Habiter autrement : si vous rêvez d'habiter autrement, les habitats écologiques, les roulottes, les squats, les jardins suspendus et toute forme de vie différente sont à votre disposition sur ce site francophone. Festival: Le site du festival international des jardins de Chaumont sur Loire. Est-il encore utile de le présenter, il est incontournable. Organismes interdisciplinaires: Public Nature: cette firme américaine spécialisée dans le conseil sert d'interface entre les artistes, les galeries et les musées de culturre populaires. Elle est également une galerie en ligne qui présente des peintres, sculpteurs, photograhes et artistes du land-art. Musée: Virtual Landscape Gallery est un projet muséographique virtuel composé d'une base de données photographique sur l'ensemble des jardins européens. Galeries: DeLeon White Gallery est une galerie d'art Québecqoise qui expose les plus grands nom du land-art: Daniel corbeil, Claire brunet, Nils Udo, Simon Franck et bien d'autres La rubrique est en devenir, d'autres qui ne sont pas nommés sont en cours de référencement. Patience. La presse en parle! Et elle en a parle beaucoup, depuis un mois le site à fait succesivement la une de : Art 11 : le portail de l'art contemporain dans la rubrique coup de coeur de la semaine Noemalab: Site italien de l'art et des nouvelles technologies dans la rubrique focus Artcogitan: nouveau portail français de l'art émergent Visuelimage: visuelimage.com est une plate-forme de la création visuelle ainsi qu'un espace d'information et de production de la création contemporaine. A titre purement indicatif mon travail personnel (site en cours de reconstruction) est référencé sur le portail Artotal dans la catégorie artistes multimedia Collaborations Ca y est les premiers auteurs sont inscrits. Ils ne sont que 2 pour le moment et n'ont pas encore produit d'article, patience...mais pas trop tout de même. La structure Anomos s'intéresse de très près au projet et alimentera probablement l'agenda de ses infos d'ici peu. De son côté francois Coulon qui anime les mardis numeriques se propose d'annoncer les rencontres dans l'agenda également. Merci à tous Infos pratiques - Pour toute question ou commentaire, écrivez à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Pour vous désabonner de la liste, envoyez un message à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] avec le mot désabonner comme sujet. - Rappel de la procédure pour participer à la vie du site: accédez au site à l'adresse suivante: http://art-nature-project.ouvaton.org/sommaire.php3 prenez connaissance des objectifs du site lisez la charte d'utikisation cliquez sur le crayon au bas de la page (le fait de lire la charte puis de s'incrire vaut pour acceptation tacite des conditions d'usage du site) . Le programme vous demandera de vous inscrire via un formulaire que vous devrez remplir (login et mot de passe) vous pourrez après inscription accéder
FLUXLIST: tambores
me voy pa'choroni manhana me quedo la semana voy a cortar monte y a toca tambor la noche de sanjuan estan invitados pez tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu tucutu/tucutu/tucu tu repeat all saint jhon night: jun 24
Re: FLUXLIST: GATES: Call for participation/collaboration
hi caterina i'm looking for a place (s) for the gates paroject in venezuela i'll keep you informed weit a week pez ART ELECTRONICS * Apologize for our English * Urgent: Call for participation/collaboration by experimental artists/partners, for a global project previewed in Summer July-September 2003. A new Caterina Davinio's planetary project is under construction! This year Rome University I La Sapienza is celebrating its 700 years. Among the initiatives, the Museo Laboratorio di Arte Contemporanea of the University (directed by Simonetta Lux), in collaboration with the Art History Department, presents the exhibition ArtConFusion, in which artists will meet, who use a plurality of languages and media, numerous art expressions are called to interact and coexist in a common context, open to all possible influences. In this context the curatorial committee has accepted Caterina Davinio's global project GATES, a planetary in progress event, which will develop during summer (since July 4, until end of September) contemporaneously in Rome La Sapienza Museum and in other places/sections decentralized in the world, involving many international artists, as it was with the Global Poetry Project 2002. See the link below (referred to Global Poetry 2002) to have an idea of what the spirit of the project is: http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/kareninazoom/ The environment in Rome is identified as space in the meddle between art and a livable area, in which performances, poetry readings, lectures by experimental artists and critics, poets, can happen. But GATES has numerous new aspects we are going to create together! This is the call for entries to join and participate. A quick reply is needed urgently, because La Sapienza University Museum has let us know very late the acceptance of the project, so we have only one month to organize and coordinate a complex event that will involve many persons who live in very far countries and cities. The invitation to participate/collaborate is directed to the same artists who already collaborated in Global Poetry in 2002, but for every one who has ideas and is in the spirit of the project it is possible to join. Festival teams, young artist galleries and spaces, situations related to experimental poetry and performance, and also alternative spaces, are welcome! PROGETTO GATES GATES in Rome Museo Laboratorio dell'Università la Sapienza is as well: 1. an installation that has the aspect of a white gate, open in every direction (only the frame of the door), 2. a series of performance actions/poetry readings/lectures that happen under/in/behind/around the door-installation, 3. a series of projections on the wall behind the door, 4. Interchange of materials with decentralized spaces of the project: digital video, e-mail, photos, slides, etc. will be projected. We are looking for artists/operators/groups, who can reproduce this installation-performance-projection ensemble in places decentralized in the world, which will be all part of an unique collective creation of all involved artists. FEEL FREE TO LIBERATE YOUR FANTASY IN CREATING A GATE and the space around! THE CENTRAL INSTALLATION IN ROMA The central installation in La Sapienza University Museum in Roma: It is a white door (only the frame of the door) in a white environment, installed in a way it is possible to perform all around, in front of it and behind. The so installed door has an essential form, creates a space rich of symbolic value bound with the concept of communication, but also poetic, referred to the idea of transit, passage, opening, with computer and telematic echoes, with possibility to project what arrives from the decentralized spaces (video, CD ROM, slides, etc.) on the wall behind the door. This installation/environment will be replicated (in real or virtual way) in other places in the world, contemporaneously, during summer, by all the participating collaborators/partners we are searching with this call for entries. Among Rome and the decentralized spaces there will be a continuous exchange of materials (videocassettes, and CD ROM, digital videos, and images, photos, e-mail, poems). We will realize videos and photos of what happens around or under or through the door in Rome (performances, lectures, projections), and we will send it to the locations in the world, where a similar door is reproduced. We expect you do the same in your city. What happens very far in the decentralized gates will be presented in Rome in video, what happens in Rome will be projected in the decentralized spaces. CONCEPT The Gates Project is based on the concept of decentralization/dispersion, enlargement of the real / virtual space of action, and on the duration in time of a collaborative action in progress that will develop during the whole summer. Through Internet and e-mail communication will be coordinated the
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Name Games
are you looking for peter asbury? he is probably in alaska right now playing ukelele if yo want to talk with him by phone chek: http://www.people-data.com/ you must to pay 10$ pez bibiana padilla maltos I do not accept this declaration! *** BIBIANA PADILLA MALTOS AVTEXTFEST general coordinator Paseo de Vista Hermosa #625 Mexicali, B.C., 21240 MEXICO 233 Paulin Ave. PMB. 7263 Calexico, Ca., 92231-2646 U.S.A. + 52 686 206 5478 Original Message Follows From: Georg Birkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: Name Games Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:09:59 +0200 Declaration: On behalf of our customer, Mr Peter Asbury, renowned anaesthetist and professor for Post-Pataphysics at the University of Zug, Switzerland, we herewith declare, that - there is no connection whatsoever between a person calling himself Peter Asbury, private investigator and Peter Asbury, the renowned anaesthetist and professor for Post-Pataphysics at the University of Zug, Switzerland. sgd Ian Alfred Oberwiesen Advokatur und Geldwäscherei Rosengartenweg 18 CH - 6300 Zug Schweiz -- Georg Birkner Quellenstrasse 5 CH - 8005 Zürich [EMAIL PROTECTED] hey people who doesn't have middle name!!! join us I suppose in the Soap Opera Name Game, those without middle names are those people with Amnesia! You will have to hire Peter Asbury, private investigator (me), to find out who you really are. - -Peter Asbury (as brilliantly and stoically played by Josh Ronsen of Austin, texas) _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: FLUXLIST: anti-war update
hi sol did check out this? http://slate.msn.com/id/2080681/ psa24 Hi all, Have redesigned my anti-war page again and uploaded a load of useful links to war news and comment. Many of the links come from fluxlisters so thanks to all of you who sent links. read the latest at: www.sol23.com there're a lot of links please feel free to forward any of the information on the site that you find useful to anyone else you feel would find it useful or mirror or distribute it etc. lots more links to come, will let you know of updates. Peace to all, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: roast turkey
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Re: FLUXLIST: cookedcooled
hi alan i've done (see: http://pedropez.tripod.com/alanboiledfrieddoc/ but i forgot the spices dont like the taste so i will repeat the cook -:) pez alan bowman dear all RE the events, a few points ... you can do whatever you want with the page cooking wise as long as you incorporate on of the methods on the page you do not have to send one to me, just to one or both of the curators the people who recieve them will decide what to do with them (its a surprise for them!) documentation would be nice but is NOT essential (an email telling me who you sent it to is ok) toodlepip al
Re: FLUXLIST: frozen/fried events
please send one to me pez alan bowman dear all, to celebrate and to complement alan bowman's part in the 2003 Biennale di Venezia (Apartment- brain academy) and the forthcoming and as yet untitled show at reg vardy gallery, sunderland, UK you are invited to take part in alan bowman's frozenrefrigeratedboiledfriedbakedand roasted events 2003 surprise the curators sub-event upon request you will be sent an email attachment (MS Word document - other formats HTML, pdf may also be available) this document should be printed and than boiled, fried, roasted, baked, refrigerated OR frozen and then posted to the two addresses given in the attachment closing date april 30 2003 please forward this email to anyone you feel may be interested i look forward to hearing from you Alan Bowman
FLUXLIST: FW: An Invitation to Join the Opsound Opcopy Projects
hi this is for y'all? -- From: Sal Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:31:44 -0500 To: ANNOUNCEMENTS N [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: An Invitation to Join the Opsound Opcopy Projects Dear Friends of the Free Biennial Free Manifesta, I'd like to invite you all to be part of two new projects I'm working on, Opsound and Opcopy. Like the Free Biennial and Free Manifesta, both are experiments in creating social architectures as artworks exploring gift economies and free culture. Opsound will be an open access sound resource and copyleft record label, collecting all kinds of sounds for free use and also releasing actual records and cds (which will be bought, sold, and distributed in the usual manner, with money returning to the artists). I'm expecting that we'll be collecting some amazing material, and over the next few months releasing records and organizing events and parties in New York, Frankfurt, and Berlin (at the very least). All kinds of music and sound can be entered into the Opsound open pool -- of course we're looking for music, but I'm personally also very interested in collecting other kinds of audio material including spoken texts, noises, field recordings, etc. Opsound will be encouraging a proliferation of microlabels, both online and real world, the first of which -- the Opsound house label -- will concentrate on experimental electronic music. Opsound is also looking, less formally, for anyone interested in working on video material to be part of an upcoming cd/dvd combo release. Opound has a sibling project, Opcopy: Open Copyright Action, which is an experimental political organization exploring new ways of responding to an increasingly restrictive climate where more and more of our collective cultural material is being privatized and controlled. Opcopy will begin by collecting varying and differing opinions on copyright issues to try and engage in a more interesting level of debate about questions of intellectual property, the public domain, and free culture (free in both the sense of free speech and the sense of free beer). You are most cordially invited to post your own position on the matter on the opcopy site. Please feel free to write with questions or suggestions, and to pass this invitation along to anyone you think might be interesting/interested. All the best, Sal ++ Sal Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.opsound.org http://www.opcopy.org http://www.highlala.com ++ AN OPEN CALL TO MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS Musicians and sound artists of all kinds are invited to join the Opsound project. Opsound is a record label using an open source, copyleft model, an experimentin practical gift economics, a laboratory for new ways of releasing music. In its first phase of operation, Opsound is gathering material for an open sound pool which will be drawn on for the creation of a series of online and real-world microlabels. All material for the sound pool will be released under a Creative Commons license (the Attribution-ShareAlike license ), a copyleft license in the spirit of open source software license which allows for all kinds of copying, remixing, use, and reuse while retaining an attribution to the original artist. Anyone is encouraged to contribute sound files to the open sound pool, including field recordings, ambiences, incomplete improvisations, monologues dialogues, spoken texts, unfinished experiments, detached soundtracks, vocal solos, strange noises, bedroom laptop, microsound, generative, glitch dub, idm, minimal techno, blip hop, hip hop, turntablist, downtempo, uptempo, reggae, ragga, raga, roots, breakbeat, basement punk, garage band, indy, shoegazer, psychedelia, noise, song, be-bop, free jazz, Modern composition, avant-anything, etc. Sound files can be complete pieces of music, or elements intended be combined into something new. DEADLINE: There is currently no deadline, and entries will be accepted on an ongoing basis. You are, however, encouraged to enter your material as soon as is conveniently possible. HOW TO ENTER: Please visit the Opsound site at http://www.opsound.org, read the guidelines and faq, and then use the entry form. ++ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FOR INFORMATION CONTACT: SAL RANDOLPH 212-219-9328 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARTIST STARTS NEW EXPERIMENTAL RECORD LABEL AND POLITICAL ACTION GROUP TO EXPLORE COPYRIGHT ISSUES New York, March 11, 2003. New York artist Sal Randolph announces the launch of two new art projects, Opsound and Opcopy, which continue her recent explorations of social architectures as art forms. Opsound -- (http://www.opsound.org) responds to recent upheavals in the music industry by creating an alternative structure for musicians and sound-based artists wishing to share and release music under a
FLUXLIST: prueba
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Re: FLUXLIST: fluxy-AUD
memexikon send to my broadband connection [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi i'm sending a audio file 96k to you pez
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: in light of gardening projects recentlymentioned....
hi brad
i have mine ready to go
pez
{ brad brace }
[just something to keep in mind]
At some near-future date, I'll be announcing a call for a
seed and lost-keys exchange. We'll be collecting and
re-distributing your heritage/local seeds (about 50 from
each participant) as well as any old keys (from forgotten
locks) that you may have. All housed in a tasteful rusty tin
box. Expressions of token interest are welcomed: hope to
enlist at least fifty parties.
The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project since 1994
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Re: FLUXLIST: baby octopi
Amy Baylaurel Casey Question: what would you do with a baby octopi? -learn how to spread smoke
FLUXLIST: FLuxbox 2 cordinator crispin Webb
my contribution (see http://pedropez.tripod.com/chevez/) is going to: FLUXbox 2 cordinator crispin Webb Mailing adress 4 west chestnut apt#5 mount vernon ohio 43050 pez THe participants will enclude those who send me the one edition by the set date. Those who do not will not be participating in the box 2. crispin
Re: FLUXLIST: Hello
keep alert this environment is highly adhesive -- De: Ana Lia Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: Hello Fecha: dom., 3 febr 2002 03:24 am idem eric ...aaahh From: Eric Aspengren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: Hello Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:05:40 -0600 I'm not sure what I've jumped into the middle of. Can't seem to discern the objective of the conversation. Don't want to interrupt. thought I'd say hi. phat _ Con MSN Hotmail súmese al servicio de correo electrónico más grande del mundo. http://www.hotmail.com/ES
Re: FLUXLIST: Hooray for Captain Spalding
i think a self-portrait with eyes closed or a back self-portrait, or a body part self portrait (the part of self that eachone hate or love) pez Howzabout everyone submits a self-portrait as Groucho Marx. (Or Karl Marx for that matter. Or, of course, Ernie Kovacs.) M (Oh alright, Eddie Cantor.) -- From: Dan Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Hooray for Captain Spalding Date: Sat, Jan 26, 2002, 3:42 PM Does this Captain Fluxlist have to have anything to do with our list at all? Anyone submitting a cover could submit their own picture. At 03:28 PM 1/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: How about a Captain Fluxlist on our cover? We could find the oldest, most curmudgeonly-looking member and put their face on the cover? -Don (I'm not trying to be sexist, another tack would be to find the sexyist or youngest member, etc.) _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: FLUXLIST: remove me from Fluxlist
relamete Relingua Relanguish! At 12:40 PM 1/24/02 +, you wrote: Relinquish! Melissa McCarthy Hours: whimsical or by appointment Adult, maybe; grown-up, never! [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: FLUXLIST: remove me from Fluxlist
occiput (OK-suh-put) Wee Ma Moo At 08:59 AM 1/24/2002 -0500, you wrote: we bee saw LBC At 08:24 AM 1/24/02 -0400, you wrote: we'll be sea At 04:09 PM 1/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Kathy Forer wrote: Me too, please. See, no crease. We go east. (egoïste)
Re: FLUXLIST: Pap ers
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Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus as anti terrorism
i agree in all with this paceful idea ...pez De: Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organización: http://www.one38.org Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:06:03 -0700 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: fluxus as anti terrorism I proposed this to other mailing lists but I'd like to present it here as well. My idea is to make an event of eating at a middle eastern owned restaurant in the next week, and possibly on a regular basis afterward, with as many people as you can. 1. It brings money to these businesses which will suffer needlessly as xenophobia inevitably grows rampant, in particular racism against middle easterners. 2. It will make part of their culture, the food, into your own. 3. You will have dinner with your friends, and at this point this should be considered momentous. 4. It shows a solidarity in the face of witch hunts- that we are not afraid, that we believe in people regardless of race, and that we would rather be kind and wrong than vile and right. -e.
FLUXLIST: tragedy
to all fluxlisters at NY: just a couple of lines to express my sorrow over the outrageous attack on the city. hope everyone is fine. ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: 3
ja ja ja ...pez good 3p De: Vi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:20:57 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: 3 And, thanks pez for email my body documentation - I got it recently (AT LAST!). :D best wishes, ViJA.
Re: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body documentation
my dear gabriel thanks so much for received my pieces put yor fine work virtually on me. i'll keep you over my skin ...pez De: gabriel swossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:59:07 +0200 Para: FLUXLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body documentation dear pez, your documentation email-my body arrived two days ago. very nice project and all the best for your future ones gabriel
Re: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body documentation
glad to hear ab-out hope your work will become visible soon thanks the feedback De: Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:09:45 +0100 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body documentation Hi Pez, Got my documentation today of your e-mail my body performance. Nice work, many thanks :-) cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: the robbery
1 --weak up a curiosity happening-- --take the sandals put outside your door or down the street take a look if someone taked try to follow the sandals what happen with-- --at the end of happening come back tell fluxlist where lead you the experience or what do you discover if there is any discovering-- ...pez De: bibiana padilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:48:48 -0700 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: the robbery Dear all, yesterday a guy broke into my house, thankfuly I was arriving at the moment he ran out. He took things that he could sell easily, and a lot of little rings, necklaces and bracelets that didn't have any commercial value, only sentimental (for me). I'm glad he didn't take the PC! A FUNNY THING: he change his sandals for a pair of shoes! and I have them right near me. Should we do something with them? give me your point of view. BB _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: FLUXLIST: Found Magazine:
fascinating
De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Asunto: FLUXLIST: Found Magazine: (fwd)
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:43:27 -0400
From: George(s) Lessard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
**
Found Magazine: LIMITED READERSHIP JOURNAL OF THE WEEK
This new Chicago-based magazine is available both in print and online.
We collect FOUND stuff: love letters, birthday cards, kids' homework,
to-do lists, ticket stubs, poetry on napkins, telephone bills, doodles-
anything that gives a glimpse into someone else's life, write the
magazine's editors in an introduction. We wanted to make a magazine so
that everyone can check out all the strange, hilarious + heartbreaking
things people find.
The Web incarnation of FOUND offers an intriguing variety of photographs,
objects and audio recordings. I especially liked the collection of notes,
party invitations and letters, each one labeled with the location in which
it was found. Mario...I hate you. I f**king hate you, writes an
extremely fickle lover in a note placed on the windshield of the wrong
car. P.S. Page me later.
Public radio's This American Life offered an interesting program on the
subject of other people's mail in July 1997.
Found magazine:
http://www.foundmagazine.com/
introduction:
http://www.foundmagazine.com/the411.html
photographs:
http://www.foundmagazine.com/photos.html
objects:
http://www.foundmagazine.com/objects.html
audio recordings:
http://www.foundmagazine.com/audio.html
notes:
http://www.foundmagazine.com/notes.html
This American Life show:
http://www.thisamericanlife.com/pages/descriptions/97/70.html
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Re: FLUXLIST: New Fluxlist Project
oh yeah i did received my copy of happy new ears but someone miss my poem at the time to publish the book in fluxus org site do you know what happen with? actually i'm sending to your postal address your copy of the reconstruction of my body e-mailed i'm working on a www site where i'll not forget to include your contribution to my project thanks ...pez De: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:35:14 +0100 Para: FLUXLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: New Fluxlist Project these will be made into a book (along the lines of Happy New Ears) a copy of which will be sent to all contributors
Re: FLUXLIST: poems 2, box 2, a sequel
hi how about brad's seeds project? i'm ready some months ago ...pez De: Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:49:53 +0100 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: poems 2, box 2, a sequel Hi Roger and all, Roger wrote: Maybe we should do a follow up. Fluxlist poems 2. Anyone interested? I have to confess to being interested in producing an anthology of list writing that includes poetry, scores, essays, manifestos etc. all these things have appeared in the list at one time or another and a collection of new works in this direction may be interesting. BTW - as far as the fluxlist box goes and archiving it, this is unlikely to happen as I've mentioned it to people but have had no positive response so far. If you remember it was Ken's idea to archive it and I think he'd probably have had more success in doing so..nevertheless, I think we did the thing for fun first and foremost and fun it what we've had with it. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: test x
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: test x i wonder if this words can not be considered an intend of jump to the fire by ken friedman. Call for papers FLUXUS was an international community of artists, architects, designers, and composers described as the most radical and experimental art movement of the 1960s. As a laboratory of experimental art, Fluxus was the first locus of intermedia, concept art, events, and video, and a central influence on performance art, arte povera, and mail art. De: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:25:44 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x Of course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange? Reed Altemus wrote: Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus. To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In certain areas he defined it well enough for me. RA Reed Altemus wrote: Hey Eric, members that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. Andmost of Did it ever occur to you that some people on the list don't give a flying fuckwhat the original artists from the Flux festivals think? In addition, what the hell havethe original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals ever done for me (besides, in your case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity contest on this list which I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken and Dick Higgins who, with others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is a sociologist and not an artist, what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis past activities under the Fluxus banner interesting, why should I feel a need foryour or anyone else's Fluxus seal of approval. Besides, Eric, it was Maciunas whosaid that t! ! he artist should eventually be replaced by the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment in another field (like sociology or folklorism or whatever) but who does Fluxus asan avocation. Artists were to be retrained for socially constructive rather than parasitic work. RA --- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink: It's your Internet.
Re: FLUXLIST: test x
i
don't
belive
in
god
(pausa)
...pez
De: narvis ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:25:17 -0400
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
a nostalgic event on-line
called
fluxtest x
1. go to your window
tell the world
why genius-2000
must become our meshias
in no more than 5 seconds
5 words without pausas
2. take a pause
came on back to computer
tell us what you did.
(all fluxlisters are invited to do the job)
...p
De: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fecha: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:20:24 +0200
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Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
I entirely agree to it all / Eric
narvis ...pez wrote:
yeah!!
vote for g-2000!
he promised a fluxus-fluxlist-fluxsit-fluxist-flixits
god-good comeback
(without video copyrights)
...p
De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis ...pez wrote:
maybe we have an other genius 2000
or similar god in campaing again?
Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
new (sole) list-owner.
/:b
Re: FLUXLIST: test x
hey, hey i'm not ready to vote!!! but if i must to do i vote for ?? (see next event) let genius-2mil rest in peace ...pez De: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:29:08 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x why does eric constantly have to refer to ken friedman, why does he bring up ken's name? was ken involved in the G2000 thing, or tamas' tests? let's vote hands up who give a ahem!
Re: FLUXLIST: It continues!
i don't agree with what you said but i fight for that you have the right to said it loud voltaire De: St.Auby Tamas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:45:05 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: It continues! High, dear Fluxlisters! The ban is lifted only for this term: Genius 2000. I have sent this quotation from the net (to show the relations) to the Fluxlist two times today in vain. - -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:53:11 +0200 From: St.Auby Tamas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Whoiswho http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:uIz2wsfr-yU:www.geocities.com/genius-2 000/Launch.html+%22Genius+2000%22+%22 M A x + H e r m a n %22+%22Eryk+Salvaggio%22hl= en (_deformation mine_) The Genius 2000 Conference 2000: Genius 2000 Conference Launch Page Judges: Simon Biggs Corey Eiseman JDKeller Carter Lebares Jenn McCoy Pat Mountain Eryk Salvaggio Info Rolling Submissions Winners Page Submissions: Eryk Salvaggio (_italics mine_) http://www.restlessculture.net/infoslut (Gnosticism Inc.) MTAA http://www.restlessculture.net/mriver/vote.html M a x H e r m a n (_italics and deformation mine_) The Genius 2000 Archive 2000 (M a x H e r m a n) _(deformed by IPUT)_ Patrick Lichty furmax review Jenn and Kevin McCoy http://www.radiofrankenstein.net The Tape-beatles http://pwp.detritus.net (Art and Poverty after 1984: Net Art to Date) Terrence Kosick (_italics mine_) Selected Emails JDKeller DayOne Mark Stahlman Who Cares About GENIUS? (Gnosticism Inc.) kalx conversation C. Balkman Commentary --- This means: Eryk Salvaggio and Terrence Kosick are banned if you quote them from the page where M a x H e r m a n is mentioned. Tomorrow you can be banned. A site with cross-links where M a x H e r m a n's name is mentioned along with _every_ Fluxlist-member's name makes impossible to quote from the net any Fluxlisters on the Fluxlist anymore. Vote: do you want it? Yes or No. Brahmahaha! Hugh! aa
Re: FLUXLIST: test x
yeah!!
vote for g-2000!
he promised a fluxus-fluxlist-fluxsit-fluxist-flixits
god-good comeback
(without video copyrights)
...p
De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis ...pez wrote:
maybe we have an other genius 2000
or similar god in campaing again?
Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
new (sole) list-owner.
/:b
Re: FLUXLIST: test x
ooops if we'll have an election period here we must have an election campaing previous or not? maybe we have an other genius 2000 or similar god in campaing again? pez De: St.Auby Tamas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:44:32 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x High, dear Fluxlisters! On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, ann klefstad wrote: Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive, confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the messages bracketed between them is equally brainless, and your campaign against supposed Power is ludicrous. Go grow something, will you? Hiccup. AK St.Auby Tamas wrote: High! Long live Genius 2000! Hugh! a101a IPUT suggests: let's vote: Should the Fluxlisters vote about this subject: Should be ann klefstad excluded from the Fluxlist for hir uncivilised behavoiur? Delete YESorNO If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES, then we shall vote about the voting about the exclusion of ann klefstad. Hugh! a101a
Re: FLUXLIST: tests
De: Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:46:29 -0400 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: tests [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Tamas, - what was the proposal?? Owen is a metaphorical way to say something missing on this lists years ago ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: Speciale Biennale]
hi alan some fluxlisters sent a poem against power to marco nereo rotelli project venice biennal 2001 now we are asking to be there to read the poem in a happening. probably we can't go venice so i have the idea that you can represent us in the happening if it is possible you most go to l'orso grill, la rete metallica dell' arsenale these is the punto di encontro 7 giugno 2001 btw 10:30 to 6:30 pm there will be hundreds of poets from all over the world reading his poems so you'll must be ready to read some poems to give copies of the poems to people present in phisical space i'm waiting the answer of caterina the curatora of the event to know if we can be represented for somenone else in the happening thanks for your help ...pez ps: i love to be there for te happening but i don't think get it the tiket to fly De: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:46:06 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: Speciale Biennale] haven't had time to digest the original mail as yet (what do i have to do?) however I shall be there (or in a bar very nearby) could try and get emily harvey roped in I think scott's going to be out here then too (scott?) erm, bests alan
FLUXLIST: fluxlistbox
hey. hey, hey it did arrived my flulistbox! i cant' belive thanks sol ...pez
FLUXLIST: e-mail my body (addresses)
hi i'm still here working on my body with my body in my body plenty of virtual tattoos (against xenofobia) at last i'm toward a print solution for my art life piece(s) i almost ready to send to all of you my contributors from 8 nations three lists fluxlisters: 1. sol nte (uk) 2. gabriel swossil (at) 3. lopshine -valentuk (lt) 4. roger stevens (uk) 5. ann klefstad (usa) 6. scott rigby (usa) 7. candace le claire (usa) 8. owen smith (usa) 9. alex cook (usa) 10. aaron kinberly (usa) 11. marie feletti -hardouin (fr) 12. terrence kosik (ca) 13. john lorenzini (usa) 14. patricia (usa) (osiris was cut in 14 pieces seth sent him far away to be entierre but isis rascue his pieces reconstruct him):):) i-mailart list 15. kiyotey (usa) 16. thierry (fr) 17. zenon (es) nettime-lat 18. raul ferrera balanquet (cu-usa) 19. cherry lee (usa) 20. paco vila (usa) 21. recycle (ur) towsend thanks to all i'm working to publish on a web site one of those days you'll see dont lose the hopes hey (canibals) what did you do with my body? ...pez osiris send the right addreess to my [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FLUXLIST: [Fwd: biennal do venecia]
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De: "pedro lopez casuso" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: RV: [Fwd: biennal do venecia]
Fecha: lun., 2 abri 2001 10:13 am
hiall
to those who sent a poem to venice biennal
...pez
*Ode to a Venetian Urn*
Artnet News, 3/30/01
http://www.artnet.com/magazine/news/artnetnews/artnetnews3-30-01.asp?C=1
VENICE LINEUP
At a Mar. 29 press conference in Rome at the Palazzo dell'
Esposizione, Venice Biennale curator Harald Szeemann promised
an artistic examination of "a world that repeats itself with its
obsessions and that continues to globalize itself always more."
His "open" contribution to the Biennale, which goes on view
June 10-Nov. 4, 2001, has the theme of "Platea dell'umanit"
and features work by some 100 artists, including 15 from Italy,
13 from Latin America and a surprising six from Finland. The
participating artists come from a total of 65 countries, six more
than in 1999; 31 countries have their own pavilions, while 19
more will site works around the city. Szeemann also promises to
introduce poetry into the show, via a total of 470 poems carpeting
public spaces in the fairgrounds. [...]
{click link for list of participants)
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De: Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: "narvis...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: [Fwd: biennal do venecia]
Fecha: juev., 29 marz 2001 07:40 am
hi pez,
i sent the gif to Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] but have not heard
since.
do you know if i am supposed to send the actual poem by s-mail as well? also
can you tell me the date of the biennale. thank you for your assistance.
bests, carol
narvis ...pez wrote:
yes carol
or any of you
send a poem against xenofobia!!
pardon against "power"
or about "freedom of expression"
before 15-3-01
by e-mail to Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
in a gif or jpg format
that's all
...pez
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carol starr
taos, new mexico, usa
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Re: FLUXLIST: Buddhas
it's incredible violence, or the announce of violence is notice everywhere is a quest for identity too and a way to have instant visibility (global visibility) those tribes muslins with budhas milenarios medieval style life, unified by religion have a big tourism potential like a world where we can travel to the past so they can make a living exploting his identity, including the perversity with womans "i will destroy these budhas"-- they said but they don't show the performance destroying the budhas they only show somone boring "destroying" some little statuas a guy with a bazooka, (not the guy fired the bazzoka against budhas) so, we can think the budhas are still up, what we have is a big potential touristic tour to afganistan. the tourist of all over the world at the same time they arrived to afganistan to see the budhas, they pay in dolares to see too all those womans-slaves in such medieval world "theme park" readymade of talibans... ...pez -- -- De: Terrence Kosick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: Buddhas Fecha: juev., 15 marz 2001 03:40 am Terrence writes; WE can hope someday the Talibans veils will reveal suffragettes knives for severing patriarchal misogyny but I think the best avenues for change is the support of the voices of the most emancipated Muslim women. I have seen news bytes that thier voices are being broadcast to the west, whether there is any change is another thing. Violence is violence when you are an animal cornered with no escape but when you are violent to someone you are supposed to care about and is treated like a slave it is sick insidious and against humanity and the human rights code. We are obligated to speak up against them as forcible as peace allows. Perhaps shame them as sick pre pubescent boys pulling the wings of butterflies of life. These fellows are not civilized in sense of the term as a person who cares and is a lover sharing life and responsibility. A statue is just a statue, life is life. T. "narvis ...pez" wrote: At 05:24 pm +0100 13/3/01, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: May the stones survive. i think there is a worst problem atside ferocity barbarism of talibans a culture in which the womans can't work (except in home), can't go outside home (excep for emergencies) have been tortured with medieval techniques, can't show the face to people are slaves of husbands. without husband they are get throw the streets begging for money... m, this is a human problem to deale behind the stone budhas ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: Buddhas
At 05:24 pm +0100 13/3/01, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: May the stones survive. i think there is a worst problem atside ferocity barbarism of talibans a culture in which the womans can't work (except in home), can't go outside home (excep for emergencies) have been tortured with medieval techniques, can't show the face to people are slaves of husbands. without husband they are get throw the streets begging for money... m, this is a human problem to deale behind the stone budhas ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: biennal do venecia]
yes carol or any of you send a poem against xenofobia!! pardon against "power" or about "freedom of expression" before 15-3-01 by e-mail to Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a gif or jpg format that's all ...pez -- -- De: Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: biennal do venecia] Fecha: dom., 4 marz 2001 06:14 am thank you thank you thank you do you know the date for the biennal? do you know the deadline for sending the actual poem? carol :) pedro lopez casuso wrote: ja ja ja -) ...pez -- -- De: Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: biennal do venecia] Fecha: sb., 3 marz 2001 05:16 am Carol Starr wrote: hi caterina, i have received your message on fluxlist and wish to participate . i am not clear about how to send the poem; as your original message forwarded by john bennett says it must be hand written on paper or other materials. so do you want that mailed at a later date and do i send the poem now by e-mail? also what other information do you need about my work. i am happy to make your aquaintance via e-mail and am excited about the project. best regards, carol -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FLUXLIST: R: R: biennal de venecia
ok cecil carol john st.auby here is my last mail from caterina it's explain alone ...pez X-SPAM-Tag: DATE From: "Caterina Davinio" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: R: R: biennal de venecia Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:37:40 +0100 Organization: Art Electronics MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 OK, send me the poems by the dead line 15.03.01, also by e-mail oe as gif or jpg image. Caterina Davinio Davinio Art Electronics V. oslavia 34 20052 Monza (MI) Italy - Original Message ----- From: narvis ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED]; narvis ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: Re: R: biennal de venecia well i forward your message to fluxlist (a virtual community of fluxus artists poets) we have an affirmative answer from: Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] carol starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] "John M. Bennett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] "St.Auby Tamas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] all, four poets artists it's probably you can find works of us in http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/box1/boxfram.html ...pez At 06:58 pm +0100 28/2/01, Caterina Davinio wrote: - Original Message - From: narvis ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: biennal de venecia hi i'm ready for submitting a poem to the Marco Nereo Rotelli project let me know if i'm in time or not. Yes, you are in time, Pedro Pez. But I need some information about the poets. i know some other people of fluxlist all poets, interested to participate who are they? Can I have more information about? Caterina Davinio -- KARENINA.IT (poesia in funzione ftica) Un progetto di Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nel modello delle funzioni di Jakobson ftico l'uso della lingua che persegue lo scopo di tener aperto e funzionante il canale tra gli interlocutori. Tra arte e critica, tra happening e performance telematica, Karenina un luogo di aggregazione virtuale sul tema della scrittura e delle tecnologie, su aspetti diversi della sperimentazione, nel quale confluiscono esperienze di artisti, curatori, teorici internazionali, in una rete che conta migliaia di contatti nel mondo. Index: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/7323/kareninarivista.html Project: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/7323/manifesto.htm Art Electronics and Other Writings - Archive http://space.tin.it/arte/cprezi
FLUXLIST: a poetry for the next Venice Biennial
X-SPAM-Tag: DATE Warnings-To: Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:02:42 +0100 From: Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: a poetry for the next Venice Biennial X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "To" header. To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net; MIME-Version: 1.0 Dear friend, you are invited to take part with a poem in the next Venice Biennial. Your poetry must be on the theme of "poetry and/against power" and "freedom of thinking". The text must be "manually" written by the poet on a paper sheet or other materials "sheet", as clay, ligneous, glass, metal, various objects. Visual poems excluded. The poems will be exhibited in a large space (Arsenale Bunker and a long metallic net) organized by the artist Marco Nereo Rotelli. Let me know if you are interested in participating because I have to send immediatly the poets list to the curators. DEAD LINE 15. 03. 2001 Adress for sending the poems: Davinio Art Electronics, V. Oslavia 34 20052 Monza (MI) Italy (sorry for my horrible English) Sincerely Caterina Davinio Caro amico, Ti invito a partecipare con una poesia alla prossima Biennale di Venezia. Tema: poesia e/contro il potere. Supporto: carta o altro materiale. Testo: scritto "manualmente" dall'autore su carta o anche altro materiale, come legno, ceramica, cartone, vetro, oggetti vari. Esclusa la poesia visiva. Il materiale pervenuto sar esposto in un ampio percorso di poesia creato dall'artista Marco Nereo Rotelli (Bunker e rete metallica dell'arsenale). Fammi sapere se vuoi partecipare perch devo mandare l'elenco dei poeti che aderiscono al curatore. Il numero di telefono del mio studio di Lecco : 0341 255227 Entro il 15 marzo spedire la poesia a: Davinio Art Electronics, V. Oslavia 34 20052 Monza (MI) Italia Ciao CD -- KARENINA.IT (poesia in funzione ftica) Un progetto di Caterina Davinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nel modello delle funzioni di Jakobson ftico l'uso della lingua che persegue lo scopo di tener aperto e funzionante il canale tra gli interlocutori. Tra arte e critica, tra happening e performance telematica, Karenina un luogo di aggregazione virtuale sul tema della scrittura e delle tecnologie, su aspetti diversi della sperimentazione, nel quale confluiscono esperienze di artisti, curatori, teorici internazionali, in una rete che conta migliaia di contatti nel mondo. Index: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/7323/kareninarivista.html Project: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/7323/manifesto.htm Art Electronics and Other Writings - Archive http://space.tin.it/arte/cprezi
Re: FLUXLIST: mp3 (m3u) filelists.
may be it is not nothing to do with your mail heiko but "enjoy napster while you still can" Napster users see full weekend of downloading before court decision REUTERS LOS ANGELES, Feb. 9 With a possible court-ordered shutdown of Napster looming Monday, fans of the online song-swapping service said they planned to spend the weekend downloading music. IVE ALREADY BEEN investigating new alternatives to Napster such as Aimster and Gnutella, said Cary Miller, a new media executive and Napster enthusiast. Right now, I have over 110 songs sitting on my hard drive that Ive downloaded on Napster, and this weekend I will probably download another 50 or so depending on how much time I have over the weekend, he said. Earlier on Friday, a federal court said it would issue its opinion on Monday as to whether it should re-issue an injunction against Napster that would effectively shut down the wildly popular song-swap service. A three-judge panel for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco on Oct. 2 heard arguments from both Napster and the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), which requested the court lift a stay on an injunction against the service, which has attracted over 50 million users. Users flocked to the site following the courts announcement on Friday. You can assume the Napster servers are maxed out ..., said Bruce Forest, vice president for Sapient Corp. , referring to the server computers that manage the flow of data in a network. One Long Island, N.Y. 14-year-old said he would like to spend all weekend downloading songs, but would have to squeeze in his song-swapping activities between working on school assignments. Id hate it if it was shut down. But even if they shut it down, there are hundreds of ways to get songs on the Internet, he said. But Napster is still the easiest. Napsters service, which lets fans swap songs for free, is considered a haven for piracy by the big music companies which are seeking the injunction to stop it from operating pending a final decision in the landmark copyright lawsuit Since the lawsuit was first filed in December 1999, Napsters service has continued to gain popularity. To date, the service has amassed over 50 million users who log on to the service to swap individual songs for free by trading MP3 files, a compression format that turns music on compact discs into small computer files. NAPSTER HAS SAID IT WILL ABIDE BY COURT RULING. In the past, Napster officials have always said they would comply with any ruling that the court issues. The company got a shot in the arm in late October, when BMG parent company Bertelsmann AG one of the record labels suing Napster, broke ranks, saying it would drop its suit once Napster transformed itself into a paid service that pays royalties. As part of the deal, Bertelsmann provided an estimated $30 million to $50 million in funds to Napster and obtained a warrant to buy a stake in the company. Bertelsmann invited the other music companies to participate, which would make such a music subscription service most appealing to users. To date, Napster and Bertelsmann have scored support from Germany-based Edel Music AG, one of the worlds leading independent labels, and TVT Records, a large U.S. independent label.forces with Napster Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/705670/_/981776638/ -_- Redistribution of Media-News content, without on-air credit to the list and an on-air thank-you to those who contributed items that were used, is strictly prohibited. Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a media of its own. See for example this list of snippets of the tracks of Fillmore by Zappa. Clean, the list and the mp3 files, linked each. Seen at cheap-cds.com. But could be everywhere in the net, even in email. Should start the multimedia display program associated with m3u audio filelists in Netscape, Edit, Preferences, Navigator, Application. One click... H. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="fillmore.m3u" Content-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="fillmore.m3u" Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:fillmore.m3u (TEXT/MSWD) (00016FB5)
Re: FLUXLIST: tattoos
ok
one week ago i cut a branch of alelies
i have more seeds
i'll send another box
by other way
...pez
At 05:46 am -0800 24/1/01, { brad brace } wrote:
^_^
(no sign of seeds; project on-hold pending greater interest) /:b
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, narvis ...pez wrote:
i like
if you like
send a "smile"
...pez
ps: did you received seeds box?
At 04:59 pm -0800 23/1/01, { brad brace } wrote:
http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/tattoo.html
Re: FLUXLIST: tattoos
thanks for your support ann i'll wait anxiously ...pez At 11:57 am -0800 23/1/01, ann klefstad wrote: Dear Pez, I have been working on it just yesterday! My internal deadline clock began going off, so I put hesitation aside and began trying out ideas. I'm drawing on printouts and will scan them back in and send--I hope that's ok. I'm too clumsy with computer drawing tools. I hope to have them sent to you by the end of the week. AK "narvis ...pez" wrote: hiall i hate to push people to work but talking with "experts" about the need to know how many tattoos we have, at last, to work with have no answer yet arrived to conclussion we need to stablish a dead line: then we'll take in to "play" all pieces of me that come in return. so, people that have pieces still are "playing the game" plis let me know a signal of it before january 31, 2001 ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: tattoos
i like
if you like
send a "smile"
...pez
ps: did you received seeds box?
At 04:59 pm -0800 23/1/01, { brad brace } wrote:
http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/tattoo.html
FLUXLIST: tattoos
hiall i hate to push people to work but talking with "experts" about the need to know how many tattoos we have, at last, to work with have no answer yet arrived to conclussion we need to stablish a dead line: then we'll take in to "play" all pieces of me that come in return. so, people that have pieces still are "playing the game" plis let me know a signal of it before january 31, 2001 ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: Gif for Christine.
hei!!ko thanks too much casually i saw this underground symbol yestarday in a tv frame of london (aol/cnn) ...pez At 11:25 am +0100 11/1/01, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Content-Type: IMAGE/GIF; name="tubelogo.gif" Content-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tubelogo.gif" Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:tubelogo.gif (GIFf/JVWR) (00015B61)
FLUXLIST: about xenophobia
hiall let me add some concepts to what i intend to do with "e-mail my body virtual tattoo" project the xenofobia racial violence is often not only in america latina. it happen in all over the world btw man in general, but it is exacerbated by technological change inmerse in which we are: the frontiers disolution in every order, political, social cultural, generated a big lose of identity , how sociologists antropologists known, a big amount of violence is coming from these lose. these violence often take forms of xenophobia, racism y discrimination. eye i'm not saying that xenophobia is a consecuence only of technological change. xenophobia is older than foreings like xenomania, in reverse, which abound btw us too current technological revolution is concomitant to multiples diverses social individuals movements, values beliefs in which we are inmerse change is the only firm today nobody (specially from art) can be indifferent to changes changes touch each of us in direct or not direct ways changes threathen us with an spiral of violence which nobody knows where start or end weare obligated to live in movement (naked ascending or descending an starcase) like artists we must to do pieces related to technological revolution, we must to use the tools of today (to create not to destroy) to reflect the new existencial condition of changings leading us toward his tolerance being a "foreing" in these lands suffering the recents xenophobics attacs in these lands i decide to create a simbolic action art of tolerance with new technologies with foreing people all of my contributors on the internet. thus is why i decide to "cut" my body in bits pieces send to you with tools like a scanner-computer e-mail (material, conceptual metaforical) what we have is an action art basically a "virtual lacerament" using a "virtual scarpelo" a "virtual displacement" by e-mail (toward computers lists --new tools-- of voluntary contributors linked against xenophobia that is: they dont care that i'm a perfect foreing stranger, or my color skin, or which is the languish i talk, that are sited in citys towns of three countries); it is a "skin virtual intervention" on which several artists will do his own mark, or style, whatever this can be like a signal that i accept all over my body (the only thing over which i could have any private propiety) it tell you (the world) that i don't reject any of you, foreing people it is a kind of "virtual re-construction" we should intent to arm the body with tattooed pieces in order to show the art process in all his sides publishing a press dossier a web site to be open permanently in constantly change to which anyone could add new contributions in a kind of permanently communion, dead resurrection (the onlytrue form of art with no end) of a body that looking at individual level seems to be me but that at social level is a multiple expression without care about who said what or how. (it is possible that will happen replys of the piece in other naked bodies in new unexpected tools of the future) so, we are talking about an expression of a human collective (the starting point of a massive intercultural connection?) i dont know, but actually i'm sure it is will be the expression of a colecctive, changeable global "body" that own to art in his more open concept (today art is all that you can do) to the whole planet with all nations cultures where current violence is a quest of identity a creative way to carry on with the losts. ...pez amigo felix permiteme agregar unos conceptos a lo que intento hacer con este proyecto: la xenofobia y el odio racial es comun no solo en latinoamerica, diria que en el mundo, y entre los hombres en general, pero esta se exacerba por las circunstancias del cambio tecnologico en las que nos encontramos: la disolucion de las fronteras en todos los ordenes, politicos, sociales y culturales, genera una gran perdida de identidad y, como saben los sociologos y antropologos, (imagino que algunos habra en esta lista) esta perdida es a su vez generadora de una gran violencia, la cual se expresa en muchas formas y conductas, entre ellas las xenofobas, racistas y discriminatorias. ojo. no echo la culpa de la xenofobia al cambio tecnologico la xenofobia es tan vieja como los extranjeros y como la xenomania, que es todo lo contrario, y que tambien abunda entre nosotros la situacion de revolucion tecnologica en la que nos encontramos es concomitante a innumerables y diversos desplazamientos sociales e individuales, de valores y creencias en las que muchos nos encontramos. hoy lo unico estable es el cambio de ahi que nadie (mucho menos el arte) puede permanecer indiferente ante ellas pues le tocan a uno directa o indirectamente y amenaza arrastranos en una espiral de violencia que nadie sabe donde empieza ni donde termina de modo que si nos toca vivir en movimiento (desnudos bajando o subiendo una escalera) como artistas se nos
Re: FLUXLIST: tattoos against xenophoby
thanks sol actually i,m not but this is my current challenge sure it take some time but i have enough enough will to carry on my hope is that if what we share whitin us in this millenium have any significance to other people (specially those experts able to do the tasks what i want) maybe it help to live in a lessxenofobic more in an "art pour lart" world will see ...pez Hi Pez, I'm glad this project is going well. I hope you'll be able to realise your plans for a print version and a website to document your performance and subsequent creative activities. cheers, Sol.
FLUXLIST: e-mail my body
hi all the body parts was sent the last thursday i sent two parts (of twenty) to forty contributors in three list recent i received a mail from one contributor that was not received the respectively parts (it was sent again inmediatly) maybe there are some other people in the same situation please let me know to correct the mistake already i have received back around 14 parts tattoed evereyone as interesting as the others i'm are very excited with the contributions i think the project is going on very well a kind of fluxus internet collage its taking form it is present new unexpected sides that could add new posibilities to develop next year with the rising of century another question each part have his own challenge to solve if someone don't like any of parts received --sorry, its not my fault i choose the azar (tow hats) to asign the parts-- can send it back untouched or resing the project (it was happen in one case) ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: To Name
"in memorian" george maciunas beuys nam june paik done a klavierduett in a 1978 dusseldorf fluxus-soiree!!! so "fluxus is dead" yeah..., but alive with ...pez At 02:04 -0700 19/12/00, St.Auby Tamas wrote: High! narvis ...pez wrote: fluxus is alive with beuys myth included ok, why not ? It's a doublethink. Beuys said around 1977: "Fluxus is dead". (As if Fluxus is a KZ-lager.) Why yes? Hugh! aa
Re: FLUXLIST: body parts
thanks anyway i will keep this arms untouched :-( ...pez i am withdrawing from the project pez is conducting as i am unimpressed with his 'arms' especially the short one. -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: To Name
At 03:50 pm +0100 12/12/00, Eric Andersen wrote: Here it seems that people much more are looking for a stereotyped legend. recognition of old forms it's not a wrong way to newones. perhaps there are only opinions about who, when or where was correct or not mere like or dislike about all this junk "in out" from fifties. obsolete paraphernalia from a hat reborn again again in new unexpected forms places like maracay!!! for instance, fluxus is alive with beuys myth included ok, why not ? ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: To Name
At 06:16 pm +0100 10/12/00, Eric Andersen wrote: I don't know. I haven't seen any of them. However, none of what I have seen on the list seem to be new in any sense. what's supposed "new" for you today? are you aware of any fluxus aesthetic evolution out off what we have discussed here? where, when, how? Fluxus was probably the most political incorrect you could be in the '60s. today in a vastly confusing wealth of electronic media each of us is forced to create his own environment in more radical ways than 60s. maybe beuys was the most radical or incorrect artists programming his sensory art life from duchamp maybe he break the fluxus law (if there was any) then he went left aoutside? "to live outside the law we must be honest" (dylan) ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: grey whale story
hi brace
did you heard about "Whales Heart Tracking"?:
for three days,
from colombian pacific ocean,
a colombian researcher jorge reynolds pombo
broadcast live whales songs to ears of II virtual congress
of technology, develop ambient in bogota
other five cities colombianas y a la Universidad
Politecnica de Valencia (EUITI).
a beacon with microphones open the acoustic space
from 1000 km in the sea where the whales are passing by
to more of 1700 alumnos e invitados, distribuidos en 13 aulas de
clase virtuales.
Para mayor informacion del II Congreso virtual:
http://www.portafolio.org/cvirtual.htm
DEL TELE.EDU2000:
http://www.portafolio.org/
At 06:21 pm -0800 10/12/00, { brad brace } wrote:
well, I spent the weekend looking for whales (I don't think I've ever seen
one... saw some small distant fins(?) breaking the water off Pacifica...),
along the California coast... I set-up my new 'birding' scope with
photo-adapter (4000mmm) and probably took many pictures of distant grey
fog... perfect for the 12hr-project :))
The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project since 1994
+ + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace
+ + + eccentric ftp://ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace
+ + + continuous ftp://ftp.teleport.com/users/bbrace
+ + +hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace
+ + +imagery ftp://ftp.pacifier.com/pub/users/bbrace
News://alt.binaries.pictures.12hr ://a.b.p.fine-art.misc
Reverse Solidus: http://www.teleport.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html
Mirror: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net
{ brad brace }[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~finger for pgp
Re: FLUXLIST: To Name
At 12:35 am +0100 9/12/00, Eric Andersen wrote: I don't think it can be discussed who is more or less Fluxus, since there were (are) no shared aesthetics or strategy among the part takers in the network. Consequently we never had such discussions among ourselves. what about the recents fluxlist box, the fluxstamp project ( roger steven's cageanian poetrybook) these are not a "fluxumm aesthetic sharing" or do we don't move in an strategy to go on a new "flux the way" of process art? i'm wonder if the the "beuysball" discussion is not related with "fluxaesthetic" problems from the mythical times to now? narvis...pez refer to a book by Heiner Stachelhaus. It seems to be full of misinformation. E.g. a sentence such as ". Nam June Paik, one of the leaders of Fluxus movement" doesn't make sense. A person who had made serious research would never have uttered such nonsense. i'm not exactly a serious person. less, a serious researcher. i'm too small to flux the entire fluxusworld alone /that's explain why i need the fluxlist why embrace the current "fluxus moment" here right now. And Fluxus was certainly not a Neodadaist movement. Maciunas would have liked it to be in the '60s but only Ben Vautier could support him in that. There was no special relationship between Beuys and Maciunas as claimed by Tachelhaus. In fact Maciunas didn't like Beuys at all. It is correct that Beuys as professor of the Academy in Dusseldorf took part in the Fluxus festival there in 1963. Nobody remember in detail what he did. It was some kind of inverted, short Shamanistic ritual. to remove a hare hart sound like a "short Shamanistic ritual" Beuys didn't draw any attention before Aachen in 1964 when he made his acid / earth / crucifix piano and was punched in his nose. George Brecht, Al Hansen, La Monte Young and Bob Watts did not take part in the Festum Fluxorum in Dusseldorf, as claimed by Tachelhaus. It is pure nonsense to claim that he was left outside any Fluxus circle after the festival in Dusseldorf. E.g. he was invited to Aachen, 24 Stunden etc. Fluxus was a completely open platform in 1962-63. I guess more than a 200 people participated during these years, but not all of them became part of the international network. Nobody was excluded, - except in the Maciunas jokes. why not see beuys under a fluxus group? i don't see a reason specially by his 70 actions 50 instalations btw 1947-1986 fluxus art life. maybe he done some politically incorrectness to be fluxtically pure? ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: New FFFO ONLINE PUBLICATION
please do it. ...pez At 02:39 pm +0100 9/12/00, alan bowman wrote: The following document was composed in the "Weathered SF" font, if you don't have this shareware font and see only your default typeface, the Organisation can arrange to have the font forwarded to you."
Re: FLUXLIST: Beuys
hi disco very satirical i love it how many innings had the game? did you have tv-commercial brakes? there was a winner a looser? (to avoid big demages next time dont used a ball used chapitas de cocacola) At 07:51 pm -0800 7/12/00, Devon Paulson wrote: Speaking of Fluxus, In my What makes it art? class at school we had to write a paper on an artist or a movement- Not to hold your suspense any longer, I wrote on- Fluxus. But I didn't just write on Fluxus, though I did do that as well. I set up a baseball diamond in the main gallery (you know, the gallery that you guys had, I think). It was great! In the morning I had a performance- which involved playing baseball with about five other people. Then another performance at noon time during lunch. We used all real equipment, which included real baseballs. This did do a little damage but not as much as it could have. Just a few dented walls and some lost ceiling particles- on several occasions. All in all, it was fantastic. love you all, disco ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body away or virtual tattoo
I support pedro ...pez' efforts and I urge you to reschedule this promptly. hi all thanks pkharris congratulations your letter was successful the program "remembaring the action art" was rescheduled yesterday to next wednesday 13-12-2000-- 6:30 pm ...pez ps: to remote tattoers of performance "e-mail my body away" everything is going on like was planned. so, wait for a piece of me next week.
FLUXLIST: beuys fluxus
hi i had found a book (*) on beuys by heiner stachelhaus (1987) who wrote that beuys's way to action start in 1962 with the "piano of earth" idea, which he certainly did not realize but "with one he going closely to fluxus movement. " i don't know if stachelhaus is right or wrong but he add in pg 146 of an spanish version of the book i translated (i guess in good terms): "by that time beuys was in contact with nan jum paik, one of leaders of fluxus movement. for all present then beuys was a fluxus artist." what is fluxus? --he ask answer: "this is a neodadaist movement emerged starting the 60s with the goal to converge art life in a fluid form (fluxus = what is fluid) to change the conventional concept of art." in pg 147 he add: "without doubt, beuys found in fluxus the adequate artistic base. then beuys was overcome the big crisis of his life for that time he was formulated firmly his ideas about art creativity. according to stachelhouse beuys saw clearly that "fluxus neodadaism" was, in that time, the right tool to done his work he have no doubt about there was a relationship btw beuys paik maciunas, inside the circle of fluxists artists. "beuys agree with the interdisciplinary character of fluxus. he agree with the easiest of the actions improvisations pieces..." in 1963 (february 2 3) beuys was the organizer of the first fluxus concert in dusseldorf: "festum fluxorum-fluxus" in which was present all celebrities like george brecht, al hansen, dick higgins, arthur kopfke, la mount young, george maciunas, paik, tomas schmit, spoerri, vostell, watts emmet williams. at in the first day, beuys done a "composition for two musicians" in the next day the 1st time of "siberian sinphony": that was the first time beuys apeared with a dead hare: "he done a free improvisation mixed with a eric satie piece, hung the hare in a blackboard, prepared the piano with little piles of clay, put branchs inside the piles linked the branchs the hare by wire. then he remove the heart of the hare." depending on the violence of this action --according the stachelhaus words-- the fluxus artist present there rejected beuys left him outside the fluxus circle... i'm not sure if this is one of those myths of german historians about a fluxus beuys or if is true. ...pez pd: apologize the probably mistakes in the translation. i don't know if this is the real history but here are my two cents. thanks (*) "joseph beuys" by heiner stachelhaus parsifal ediciones, 1990, barcelona.
FLUXLIST: [eliterature] ELECTRONIC LITERATURE NEWS
ih cause we have some poets in flux related lists... animate-d poet-a animate-d poet-a d -a d -a ...pez SUBMISSIONS OPEN FOR ELECTRONIC LITERATURE AWARDS The ELO is now accepting submissions for the poetry and fiction categories of the 2001 Electronic Literature Awards. Submissions to the $10,000 Awards are open from now until February 15, 2001. Whether your literary work is online or will be submitted via snail-mail on floppy disk, CD, or DVD, the first step to entering the competition is to read the rules and submit your online entry form: http://www.eliterature.org/Awards2001/submissionguide.shtml Upon completing the form, you will have the option of paying the $15 entry fee online or mailing it in with your submission. To pay the entry fee online, follow the appropriate link. If your work must be mailed in, see the shipping guidelines: http://www.eliterature.org/Awards2001/mailguidelines.shtml ELO staff will confirm the status of your entry within one week of the initial submission date. You will also receive notice when the shortlist has been selected (later in the spring, before April 15th). If you have a electronic literary work that you think exemplifies some of the best electronic literature has to offer, we encourage you to enter the 2001 Electronic Literature Awards before the February 15th, 2001 deadline.
Re: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body away or virtual tattoo
thanks for your kind princess petal "have a bad day event" it's a nice idea but i'm not sure they understand the absurd in which they live. imagine that 24 hours before the event they ask me if i was received the images from remote contributors! crist it's incredible but they still have an "big" ego the art is less important than the staff so, let me obviuos what they understand by action art we live yet in a very folklorical world thanks again if anybody wish to send whatever they want to macma, [EMAIL PROTECTED], go on. maybe this help to remember they are not islands in the contemporary art nettime the "remembering the action art program" comes to official agenda in return, soon. por cierto, the new staff a very folklorical one paisajistic style is what they like. ...pez At 06:06 pm -0800 30/11/00, Patricia wrote: How 'bout if we flux 'em with email? A "have a bad day" event. I'm sure I could sound every bit as officious or pompous as they. Or, we could all say the same thing and be sure to state our locale at the end of the email. Could be good - they'd get spammed from all over the world. Then we could bind them as a book as part of the happening. I don't think anyone minds waiting, although we were all looking forward to it. It's a very creative and exciting project. I'm sorry for you that it's not working out as planned. Bless, PK 1.- a voice phone call from macma informe that the the program was postponed (without date) the reason is that the employers of museum are "upset disturbing because a internal crisis": the local city goverment fired the director of museum so the employers was dawn they (who?) are not in the mood because they are crying with the ex-director at the morning, in the afternoon they must to receive the new one. what kind of museum of contemporary art is that --i said? what happen with the people involved working in the program for a month? --i continue-- there are 40 artists in the world waiting for tattoo me. what did you suposed i'll tell they? what happen with who coming from other citys to cover the actions for us? who pay the expenses? the voice (from "events" department ) fall in such a confussion btw terms suspended postponed but she finished only talking about a "postponed event" praying for our comprehensiveness because they need "some time" to fix the agenda all this surprise me. we'r not expecting something like this against my good wishes in spite of what they say, i'm afraid, they don't respect enough happenings other acts, but we must to wait by now...at least a week. i have enough scannings done in my previews experiments preparatory job for the event in cactu. without a physical audience, but the performance is done. so i ask to all remote contributors to wait a week for news while i'll try to rearrange my plan. thanks for your kindness with my "e-mail my body away virtual tattoo" performance please be pacient wit me too :-( ...pez pd: i want to kick the ass of museum people i never need they to do my art before but i'm rethinking how to bypass the post events like prints whitout his technical resources :-( At 05:21 pm + 29/11/00, Sol Nte wrote: the program: "remembering the action art" start at 6:30 with three simultaneous performances Good luck pez, I hope it goes well :-) cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body away or virtual tattoo
oops!! i miss the real one e-mail of museum of contemporary art of maracay this is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: e-mail my body away or virtual tattoo
thanks sol hi all 1.- a voice phone call from macma informe that the the program was postponed (without date) the reason is that the employers of museum are "upset disturbing because a internal crisis": the local city goverment fired the director of museum so the employers was dawn they (who?) are not in the mood because they are crying with the ex-director at the morning, in the afternoon they must to receive the new one. what kind of museum of contemporary art is that --i said? what happen with the people involved working in the program for a month? --i continue-- there are 40 artists in the world waiting for tattoo me. what did you suposed i'll tell they? what happen with who coming from other citys to cover the actions for us? who pay the expenses? the voice (from "events" department ) fall in such a confussion btw terms suspended postponed but she finished only talking about a "postponed event" praying for our comprehensiveness because they need "some time" to fix the agenda all this surprise me. we'r not expecting something like this against my good wishes in spite of what they say, i'm afraid, they don't respect enough happenings other acts, but we must to wait by now...at least a week. i have enough scannings done in my previews experiments preparatory job for the event in cactu. without a physical audience, but the performance is done. so i ask to all remote contributors to wait a week for news while i'll try to rearrange my plan. thanks for your kindness with my "e-mail my body away virtual tattoo" performance please be pacient wit me too :-( ...pez pd: i want to kick the ass of museum people i never need they to do my art before but i'm rethinking how to bypass the post events like prints whitout his technical resources :-( At 05:21 pm + 29/11/00, Sol Nte wrote: the program: "remembering the action art" start at 6:30 with three simultaneous performances Good luck pez, I hope it goes well :-) cheers, Sol.
FLUXLIST: e-mail my body away or virtual tattoo
hi tomorrow at these hour i'will be scaning me in 40 pieces i'll try to make all but it's dificil do this in 30 minutes because each piece take almost 2 minutes plus intervals from one minute maybe i wil do 20 (starting first than others) the program: "remembering the action art" start at 6:30 with three simultaneous performances pedro ...pez: e-mail my body... (at door of the terraza) trinidad inserri: issues of identity... (all over the museum) cesar leon: to find a child to play... (at second floor) narvis will do his "cultivizada" performance to close the actions then (at 7:30) we have a dialogue with antonieta sosa (venezuelan artist born in new york) she was doing action art from sixties later i'll send a piece to all remote participants in my list (see below) i will repeat some pieces (the best) i would like to publish these in www the page of the museum is under construction so we must to way next year by this way but a participant of nettime-l the cuban-newyorkino artist ferrera-balanquet talk me about he have space in his url. depend on the results maybe we could find other sites to place the work, the score, the tatooes, the music, etc. (now i'm waiting a front page copy software to work with) i plan to do the hard copies of my reconstructed bodie (when i take all the images in return) with the museum impresora. they have a hp laser one thanks you don't need to send the tattoes tomorrow, take your time to do but don't prolongue too much. remember that all this is against xenofobia that this is a satiric performance. ...pez pd: i will use an i-mac an scanner umax astra 1220U a little yellow radio-cassette with a mixed music from radio, tv and records (using parts of harry partchs "delisuion of the fury", and records of interviews with charlotte moorman i record when she was in venezuela in 70s) the list: contributors fluxlist: (28) Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] gabriel swossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cinthea Fiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joy Stick) "lopshine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Roger Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ann klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] (a chunk) Candace Le Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Alex Cook" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Aaron Kimberly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flux Sisters [EMAIL PROTECTED] "marie.feletti-hardouin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terrence Kosick [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Lorenzini [EMAIL PROTECTED] allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] "alan bowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Narcissus In Paradys [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Keri Tom Marion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] "John M. Bennett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Markku Nivalainen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] i-mailart list:(3) "kiyotei *" [EMAIL PROTECTED] thierry [EMAIL PROTECTED] majj - El Taller de Zenon [EMAIL PROTECTED] nettime-l: (7) "Cecilia Noriega de Bozovich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raul Ferrera-Balanquet, MFA [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Cherry Lee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] antonio aka cErverus "cErverus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tania Huidobro [EMAIL PROTECTED] "| || ||| | brian mackern ||| | | | " [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] included four performances 1:
Re: FLUXLIST: search
count me in (if it is not a war one) ...pez At 04:23 am -0800 21/11/00, Arturas Bumsteinas wrote: Hello dear Fluxers. I am looking for people who would like to take part in some performance which will take part in spring. I will reweal everything to the persons who are interested. sincerely arturas bumsteinas __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
FLUXLIST: The Fluxlist Seed Exchange
hi brad ( all) i'm ready to send 50 "nice" packets with two seeds each one ben (moringa oleifera) one alheli (melia azedarch) with the leaves of this trees you can make a mixed tea to defeat cancer ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: The Fluxlist Seed Exchange
i have a lot of "alhelies": melia azedarach (fam.meliaceae)
"ben": moringa oleifera (fam. moringaceae)
for all contributors
At 06:22 pm -0800 9/11/00, { brad brace } wrote:
The Fluxlist Seed Exchange:
Just a few specimens of a local variety. Your choice. In 50 nice little
handmade/labeled packets: 2 x 3.25" Deadline TBA. All contributors receive
one of all contributions. Housed in a lovely little rusted tin box.
Indicate interest: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/:b
Re: FLUXLIST: Take offense? That's intriguing. Over what?That'san interesting idea -
"excerpts from 'assemblages, environments happenings" alan kaprow in "happenings and other acts" a compilation of texts edited by mariellen r. sandford -routledge- 1995 first published p. 239-240 chao ...pez At 09:29 am -0600 2/11/00, cecil touchon wrote: That was very good Pez! What was the source? cecil "narvis ...pez" wrote: "in the near future, plans may be developed which take their cue from games and atlhetics, where the regulations provide for a variety of moves that make the outcome always uncertaint. a score might be written, so general in its instructions that it could be adapted to basic types of terrain such as oceans, woods, cities, farms,; and to basic kind of performers such as teenagers, old people, children, matrons, and so on, including insects, animals and the weather. this could be printed and mail-ordered for use by anyone who wanted it. greorge brecht has been interested in such posibilities for some time now. his sparse scores read like this: DIRECTION Arrange to observe a sign indicating direction of travel. ¬ travel in the indicated direction travel in another direction "but so far they have been distributed to friends, who perform them at their discretion and without ceremony, certainly they are aware of the pholosophic allusions to zen buddhism, of the subtle wit and childlike simplicity of the activites indicated. most of all, they are aware of the responsability it places on the performer to make something of the situation or not. as we mentioned before in connection with another of brecht's pieces, this implications its the most radical potential in all of the work discussed in this book. beyond a small group of initiates, there are few who could derive pleasure from going ahead and doing them without self-cosciousness. in the case of those happenings with more detailed instructions or more expanded action, the artist must be present at every moment , directing and participating , for the tradition is too young for the complete stranger to know what to do with such plans if he got them." (alan kaprow) At 10:16 am -0600 1/11/00, cecil touchon wrote: Three Aqueous Events ice water steam George Brecht 1961 That the simplicity of it causes literally any action that includes these three states of water to be a variation on his work. That's kind of like staking off wilderness, one stake in each of its four corners, and saying that because you have placed these four stakes anything that happens within them is trespassing. Hogwash! -- ...0.. Join the Collage Poetry group mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] a list for posting and reading poetry created in a constructive manor like a collage. ...0..
Re: FLUXLIST: Take offense? That's intriguing. Over what? That'san interesting idea -
"in the near future, plans may be developed which take their cue from games and atlhetics, where the regulations provide for a variety of moves that make the outcome always uncertaint. a score might be written, so general in its instructions that it could be adapted to basic types of terrain such as oceans, woods, cities, farms,; and to basic kind of performers such as teenagers, old people, children, matrons, and so on, including insects, animals and the weather. this could be printed and mail-ordered for use by anyone who wanted it. greorge brecht has been interested in such posibilities for some time now. his sparse scores read like this: DIRECTION Arrange to observe a sign indicating direction of travel. ¬ travel in the indicated direction travel in another direction "but so far they have been distributed to friends, who perform them at their discretion and without ceremony, certainly they are aware of the pholosophic allusions to zen buddhism, of the subtle wit and childlike simplicity of the activites indicated. most of all, they are aware of the responsability it places on the performer to make something of the situation or not. as we mentioned before in connection with another of brecht's pieces, this implications its the most radical potential in all of the work discussed in this book. beyond a small group of initiates, there are few who could derive pleasure from going ahead and doing them without self-cosciousness. in the case of those happenings with more detailed instructions or more expanded action, the artist must be present at every moment , directing and participating , for the tradition is too young for the complete stranger to know what to do with such plans if he got them." (alan kaprow) At 10:16 am -0600 1/11/00, cecil touchon wrote: Three Aqueous Events ice water steam George Brecht 1961 That the simplicity of it causes literally any action that includes these three states of water to be a variation on his work. That's kind of like staking off wilderness, one stake in each of its four corners, and saying that because you have placed these four stakes anything that happens within them is trespassing. Hogwash!
FLUXLIST: make art not war
1. Is there a relation between art and peace? If yes, what is this relation? peace :=: make art not war
FLUXLIST: longa noite de pedra
no medio do caminho tinha uma pedra tinha uma pedra no medio do caminho tinha uma pedra no medio do caminho tinha uma pedra carlos drumond de andrade o teito e de pedra. de pedra son os muros i as tebras. de pedra o chan i as reixas. as portas, as cadeas, o aire, as fenestras, as olladas, son de pedra. i eu, morrendo nesta longa noite de pedra. celso emilio ferreiro
FLUXLIST: e-mail art my body away virtual tatoo
thanks to all for encourage me support my satyrical performance (i guess). well..., yes, at last, i'll be splitted in 30 parts. is great to be wanted by pieces is very excited oot very fun actually i'm looking for answers in two or three questions like, how to choose which part to whom, maybe i must ask you which part you want "to cook" or we must find an azarous way to e-mail the splits? probably i left this to operari (an innocent hand) i don't know..., but how i thing the better way to fight xenofobia is laughing, if someone (carol like wings) have any piece in mind only let me know. onother quest is a technical one: i 'm doing some probes with a umax 1220 an iMac the machine is very light maneagable. one can play a game, static or with movement, with this "whitelight artifact". in a web mode, i have beutiful "chunks" of 450 k i need an expert opinion about the mode size of the files we'll must use (if there are any). scott. what is a CAT scann? you meant with open eyes? people of museum are more technological analphabets than me. how could talk about "contemporary art" ignore all these new technological stuff? oh boy, they have not a web page yet. "is under construction", they said. me too (i guess again) i will have 45 minutes to perform 30 scannings who come to see me will can perform one of six gestures by scann: to cover the eyes with hands, to cover the ears..., the mouth..., turn back, to pull the hair with hands, to clap the hands. the audience will received an instruction sheet with score before the start. cause i'll have not a phone line at my disposition in "scene" i'll send you the images not during but after the performance (by now) that's all folks i love fluxlist ...pez (please let my know if a i miss someone) contributors fluxlist: carol starr (wing) gabriel swossil Cinthea Fiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joy Stick) "lopshine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Roger Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ann klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] (a chunk) Candace Le Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] "chiroglyphs" "Alex Cook" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Aaron Kimberly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flux Sisters [EMAIL PROTECTED] "marie.feletti-hardouin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terrence Kosick [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Lorenzini [EMAIL PROTECTED] allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] "alan bowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Narcissus In Paradys [EMAIL PROTECTED] i-mailart list: "kiyotei *" [EMAIL PROTECTED] thierry [EMAIL PROTECTED] majj - El Taller de Zenon [EMAIL PROTECTED] nettime-l: "Cecilia Noriega de Bozovich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raul Ferrera-Balanquet, MFA [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Cherry Lee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] antonio aka cErverus "cErverus" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FLUXLIST: slaken screws performance
slaken as much as screws as you can, the 26 september 2000 narvis ...pez
FLUXLIST: street performer protocol
"a post-copyright scheme in which a patron of the arts puts money in an online escrow account in anticipation of an artist's upcoming release. when an account reaches a certain amount, the work is released into the public domain." (from wired magazine 8.09 p. 102)
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
magichanical thinking performance cliche (1) (supposedly the ignition system of your car fault at middle of traffic you don't know how to fix it) 1.- open the bonnet top panel of the car bodywork. 2.- keep it open up (with two hands) while watching the engine with ignorant face (5 seconds). 3.- shut up the top panel with violence putting all your soul thinking that this action will solve the ignition problem. (repeat action with abrupt rhytms intervals to going inside car trying to start the engine "normally" how many times you need; if the magichanical thinking performance cliche (1) "doesn't work" for a while, end the action --preferible before you loose the battery power--, call for help with a megaphone; print the score give to people interested in what is wrong with you car) At 03:07 pm -0700 18/9/00, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: The millenial workbook is simply a collection of new performance scripts. The old workbook can be seen, and used, if you're at all like me, as a new religion: http://www.nutscape.com/fluxus/homepage/fpw_indx.html Of course, simplicity of the score is crucial as they are to be performed as music; if you notice, the sparse nature of the instructions is a key piece of the beauty of these pieces. While people are welcome to write scripts for the book, I was hoping merely to "collect" scripts that are already existing. But who amm I to stop the party? If you get inspired by the old school workbook, send one in, wether to the list or to me directly. -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
i never forget the chapter of ulysses called circe's episode this is the best antinationalist text i've ever read At 08:51 pm -0400 12/9/00, meryl wrote: Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. In fact I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. I don't believe that the nice boys and girls on this list haven't gotten past Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist in their explorations of Joyce (you have looked into JJ haven't you? Of course you have!). Certainly these are not "easy" books, but they're so very wonderful. If you don't feel up to the "big books" I would recommend Anthony Burgess' essays on JJ called ReJoyce. Soon I'll start carrying on about Pynchon Kiss Kiss Badgergirl Devon: got your packet and am sorting through it. more concrete info soon. -- From: veljeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 10:02 AM I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) I don'¨t even know anyone who has actually read Ulysses. But one of my big plans for the future is to translate Finnegan's Wake into Finnish. I already bought Webster's huge dictionary. I still lack a copy of the book itself. And no I haven't read it, not a single page. Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail. It's difficult. Strange phrases, strange words. And translations suck. mn
Re: FLUXLIST: Name the Band
Orphic Baroque Girls At 02:32 pm +0100 11/9/00, Patricia Dean wrote: To All: My friend Lila has a new chamber music group. They need a name!! Musicians are violinist, cellist, guitarist (guitarist also plays lute and mandolin), soprano vocalist (also flutist). Music consists of opera, classical, baroque, renaissance, celtic, jazz, and, oh, popular stuff. Help!!! (that last cry is from Lila) Best, PK
Re: FLUXLIST: elf ortrait
s x - s - r - l st - ll nc At 12:55 am -0700 3/9/00, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: Thought some of you might enjoy this piece by Ian Campbell, posted to the rhizome list: pr b rth - c nc pt n - pr snt d y http://7475.net/ianc/unobox/
Re: FLUXLIST: Unfinished Project
recently i start to see my self like an "open ended" project (like a salmon swimming up the river to deshovar or sisifo pushing up the stone over the mountain) i used to start "things" and let them alone adding details from time to time maybe this is cause i work for myself i'm not hurry to end nothing in my life. i hate to finish everything i love. so, count on me here. thanks ...pez At 08:06 pm -0500 30/8/00, David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Salutations Roger et Cie.-- "unfinished business" project-- (it cd just be left "open ended", rather than "finished off"!) sometimes an unfinished piece seems to suggest so many tantalizing detours, side streets, by ways-- that one wants to leave it unfinished, as to complete it might be to forever cut off those avenues of promise possibility it is like a dream from which one awakes and can't quite recall all the fragments--an so it continues to haunt the mind memory of course, one cd always just make many copies of the unfinished piece and then to each one do a different versions of finishing it but sometimes is more powerfully moving to just leave that haunting open ended pathway --open for dreaming . . . unfinished business: room to dream
Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION
kadafy burn the venezuelan embasy in tripoli..., once At 07:33 pm +0200 29/8/00, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: It's not cia anything, it's his own perception from his own experience in the place under discussion. Don't let's be silly. Agreed. Btw, what are the opinions on Mr. G. of Lybia ? Is he, as Newsweek once said, "the most dangerous man of the world" or did he just close an american harbour ? Navy etc...
Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION
ok, travek to habana is like to travel in the time to the past. this is a brief description about what i've done om habana in seven days wiyh a v-8 sony handycam (the first one without mechanical zoom in a box with a little v'8 reproductor), five cassetes /2 hours each. two batt- (a par of good shoes iranies) first walk: from outside hotel to suburbios of the city (when the lumpen are) return to hotel for diffrents ways camera on hand all time watching everything stopped in some places for which y feel any perception visual or sonoro. then at the hotel in the room to made records from news on tv charges de batts at the library of the hotel the more recent magazine i found was cosmopolitan 81 (seven years later) sexond walk: the same in other direcction repeat and repeat and repeat the scanning of city until the end of cassettes what did i found? well in this videos you have a record real documentary of la habana streets including people, modes, transport, foods, stores, publicity workers, unemployers, barbershops, coffes, etc: the habana way of life plus some activities organized for "la casa de las americas" (an official editorial which invited us to travel) like visit a womans jail, an hospital, one or two palaces, a meet with minister of culture (specially censored for video cameras) i was there like journalist for a written medio ...pez ps: who going to habana? maybe he want to do the same azarous technic of videos streets twelve years later and we can compare if there are any changes At 10:10 am -0700 29/8/00, ann klefstad wrote: It's not cia anything, it's his own perception from his own experience in the place under discussion. Don't let's be silly. AK "St.Auby Tamas" wrote: High! Should "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] be expulsed from the Fluxlist for his ignominious, boring, blockhead CIA-blahblah or not? Yes -No - Hugh! a101a
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
memorias del subdesarrollo is from tomas gutierrez alea he other extraordinary filmakers from the young revolution are in silence or leave cuba, like the photographer (antifranquista) nestor almendros who done more than 20 documentary films in la habana castrista with the ICAIC (film institute marxista style) who wrote in his book "camera days" (seix barral 1983. p.46): "in 1961, after bahia de cochinos, the film industry in cuba was nationalized under de dominance of alfredo guevara valdes (nothing to do with el che) he controled personaly all productions, distribution, the movie theaters, laboratorys the onlyone cinematographic magazine. all like shumyatsky, the sadly famous minister of cinematography of stalin. guevara valdes impòsed decisions in absolutlely way, over all of us. at last i realized that we are not workiung for the people of cuba, than for the statal monopoly that the autority acted not like a revolutionary one than like a any productor capitalist. in other words: we are forced to done films of propaganda permanently , so i start to film weekend with my bolex 16mm a short film very different with virgin tails of other proyects. i called "people on beach" and there was a study of behaviors... for that they start to call me contrarevolutionary they censored my film , the montaje room was closed for me with two milicians on the door the film was banned because was not a politic one... " ...pez ps: nestor almendros have a long carrer in europa US after leave cuba he work in extraordinary films sophie's choice, still of the night, le dernier metro, the blue lagoon, kramer vs kramer, and many others... he never return to cuba. (the text of almendros is my translate, sorry for mistakes) At 10:28 am -0700 29/8/00, ann klefstad wrote: Memories of Underdevelopment was a Cuban film, a fictional film, not a docu, very lovely. Burnt by the Sun, another lovely harrowing thing from USSR Lots of stunning Fifth Generation Chinese films, Red Sorghum, Big Parade, Blue Kite of course all those old Eisensteins, Potemkin, Ivan, etc Eryk Salvaggio wrote: Trying to steer the Cuban discussion into art topica [as revolutionary art is always a fave discussion topic of mine:] Oddly enough, the sundance channel just played "A History Of Underdevelopment," a documentary made in Cuba about the disappearance of hope in Cuba post- Castro It was certainly not an invigorating film, ending with the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Speech Castro gave about how Cuba would not back down, how they were United as a nation, that this was a test of thier independance and unity as a nation- and of course, they backed down. Fitting ending I think... Does anyone know of any other movies made within Communist Regimes? I was fascinated by a look at Animation in the Soviet Union on Bravo's animation festival a while back; but these films seem very hard to find in the USA. mn wrote: A big jail??? Oh, please. The Cold War is over. Would you say the same thing about Mexico? How about any other third world country. How much time did you spend there? Where did you go? Any tourist with $$$ is king anywhere. About a week ago I saw this documentary about Cuba and recycling. It doesn't actually seem like a paradise to Cubans. The embargo kind of sucks. It never cleared to me when the embargo started and when it, if it has, stopped. Me thinks in France tourist with dollars isn't king, but more likely a court jester. At least speaking just Finnish and bad English wasn't adored in Paris back in late eighties. mn
FLUXLIST: devon'srequest
pedro ...pez p.o.box 091505 el remanso santacruz de aragua venezuela
Re: FLUXLIST: Take this quiz!
we are been cloning here? At 10:08 am -0400 27/8/00, meryl wrote: -- From: "Melissa McCarthy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: Take this quiz! Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000, 7:24 PM Are you an artist? Have people told you that you are artistic? Take this quiz and find out! Answer yes or no to the following questions: * Do you regularly have some form of pigment on one or more bodily appendage that is *not* everyday makeup? * Have you ever seen something by the side of the road while you are driving that you've stopped and run back to pick up? * Do friends regularly call you and say "No one else wanted this, but I thought you might" ? * Does your family excuse your behavior because "She/he is an artist"? * When you go for short walks, do you bring a bag along "just in case" you find something? * Are there boxes in your possession with labels like "Broken Glass", "Metal Bits", and "Miscellaneous Art Stuff" ? * Have you ever doodled on a beer coaster, coctail napkin or placemat and found it hanging up in the establishment after you left? * Do you find yourself thinking that, if you *did* wind up in an asylum, not only would you have time to work on your art but it would also become instantly more valuable? * Do the clerks at the post office smile and/or cringe when they see you coming? Do they regularly suggest "these nice free envelopes"? Do they often call other clerks to "take a look at *this*" ? * Has anyone ever given you food or money for something you've made? * Has a small tag with your name on it ever been on a wall next to something you've made, with or without a dollar amount? * Does the way you're dressed regularly make others smile? * Has anyone ever crossed the street to avoid you? * Have you ever made a small child cry just by looking at him/her? * Have you ever smoked a whole pack of cigarettes while drinking straight whiskey because a piece was rejected from a show that you really should have gotten into except that the juror is obviously an ass with a personal vendetta against work with any *real* content and is hopelessly stuck in a traditional, representational RUT!? ! I always suspected that my life was being recorded somewhere by someone, I just didn't know it was you. Indeed, I was taken by friends to a five-mile stretch of Jersey Shore boardwork last week and came home with almost two dozen little plastic bags filled with skee-ball tickets, candy wrappers, organic flotsom and jetsome from the beach, and tons of tossed discarded plastic and paper junk I have yet to identify. Making children cry since 1971 BadgerGirl
Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION
thanks meryl i got a chianti 1993 cooking "calamares rellenos en su tinta" thanks for the transparent marbles box too but another copy of fluxlist box is enough ...pez ps: how do you know i like toy tractors? At 10:19 am -0400 27/8/00, wrote: Nah. He should be sent a bottle of decent port wine and a box of transparent marbles. And maybe a toy tractor. That oughta learn 'im. Kiss-Kiss, BadgerGirl -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (St.Auby Tamas) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 7:05 AM High! Should "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] be expulsed from the Fluxlist for his ignominious, boring, blockhead CIA-blahblah or not? Yes -No - Hugh! a101a
Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION
calamares hate machines including nuclear submarines they run, run, run... to supermarket sale of the week At 09:47 pm -0400 28/8/00, meryl wrote: My dear, Is there anyone who doesn't like toy tractors?! I envy your calamares and chianti. Tonight my dinner came from a machine. Tomorrow night the port for sure M* -- From: "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2000, 6:28 PM thanks meryl i got a chianti 1993 cooking "calamares rellenos en su tinta" thanks for the transparent marbles box too but another copy of fluxlist box is enough ...pez ps: how do you know i like toy tractors? At 10:19 am -0400 27/8/00, wrote: Nah. He should be sent a bottle of decent port wine and a box of transparent marbles. And maybe a toy tractor. That oughta learn 'im. Kiss-Kiss, BadgerGirl -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (St.Auby Tamas) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 7:05 AM High! Should "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] be expulsed from the Fluxlist for his ignominious, boring, blockhead CIA-blahblah or not? Yes -No - Hugh! a101a
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
oh yeah, i'm wrong i'm wrong too when i said that in cuba there is no room for a subversive art: the people what are making underground connectivity are the aubversive new artist in cuba. At 09:27 pm -0400 26/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/26/00 8:04:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: people want to be free, and construct antenas to see wireless tv or radio, or any signal to bypass this channel I thought you said they couldn't see American TV Now you're saying they can? -- jay marvin http://www.onthecanvas.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
c'm jay i'm not the problem the problem is fidel his paternalism comunnist, out of date, noltalgic, censorship "revolutionary" style At 09:26 pm -0400 26/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/26/00 3:05:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh yeah paquito de rivera used to hear jazz at night hiden in obscurity because this was not a revolutionary activity (this is before leave cuba) There are those who believe what they are told all their lives, and then there are those who go and find out for themselves. Try it sometime you might learn something. -- jay marvin http://www.onthecanvas.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
i done ten hours of v-8 in streets 5 videos of 2 hours each if someone want to see i can negociate a copy or send to someone to distribute or show or be a part of a performance this is part of a ywo videos instalation called la habana-"texas" in one video are ten hours oh habana in the other are ten hour of new york, washington dc, cleveland, los angeles At 09:30 pm -0400 26/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/26/00 8:23:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: all its possible. but there is not evidence that someone outside communist party can reach public opinion, or if there is any public opinion there. Sure there is. There's a so called "democracy movement" funded by the US. Another example that you know only what you read. No where in the world will you ever find anyone who is totally happy with their government. There are many in Cuba who support various aspects of the government. There are some who don't. All you have to do is walk down the street, and start talking to the people you meet. You'll get all kinds of answers. -- jay marvin http://www.onthecanvas.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: poetry and revolution was: havanna
the shot of two birds is waiting countdown. who going to shutdown the song underground? At 04:43 pm -0700 27/8/00, St.Auby Tamas wrote: High! Build an Iron Curtain all around on the equator. Overfeed the people on the north hemisphere and underfeed the people on the south hemisphere. Check their poetries on the net. Hugh! aa
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
oh yeah paquito de rivera used to hear jazz at night hiden in obscurity because this was not a revolutionary activity (this is before leave cuba) now: who have de power of written press? anyone? no. only de communist party. / the gramma is the worst newspaper i've ever read even the cubans think gramma is a shit what about internet? do you know the e-mail of fidel? oh jay, dont be a hero you cant live there more than a weekend. more great art? for sure in 1986 i was in washington dc makin an interview to ceo of museo de arte latinoamericano (in us) he said he was interested in look the art "hiden in socialists countries, because there will be an opressed reality, and artists (he mint painters) have the power to express that opressivity fight against in a simbolic way" did you know that in cuba revolutionary filmakers (now in other countries) are banned his names from his films? trying anyone here to mail-art cuba? yeah, cuba is a cool place to bronze drink daikiris in bodeguita del medio but for cubans, try to talk with cubans in a street? they run away like you are the diablo thats is because somebody is watching him talkin with a tourist this is an suspicion activity there. ...pez ps: what about a list like this (or any) in cuba, or china, or korea? cold war? is a ideological one. they love cold war because they cant have a hot one (like sadan) At 10:38 pm -0400 25/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not the palce to argue about Cuba. But I will tell you that I have sat in my friends' home and watched American TV (NYPD Blue) on a Russian set. I also know the Cubans can hear US radio because my station gets into Cuba after 12 midnight EST. Enough said. Think what you wish. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:26 am -0400 25/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the little game we play with the Cubans: they see American TV and think the streets are paved with gold here, But when they get here they find that it's not so. wrong they didnt see american tv, or european tv, or latinamerican tv they only see cuban tv, one channel, the fidel channel. people want to be free, and construct antenas to see wireless tv or radio, or any signal to bypass this channel People leave Cuba because of economics. not at all they leave because they want to be free If we would lift the embargo things on the island would get better. wrong again there is no one embargo we have two embargos one from usa one from cubans from usa the embargo is economic from cuban is ideological and technological i was there with a group of left-intelectual people we meet with the culture minister he said: "we must stand the shield of our national identity against yanqui imperialism" The Cuban economy grows at about the rate of 6 to 7% a year. It would grow faster if the blockade were lifted. Here in this country corporate interests are now running more and more of most people's lives. Most media i.e. radio, TV, print are owned by big companies with just a few owing most. Read the Communications Act of 1996. The only thing that saves us here is that we have material wealth. But we live in a highly managed society. Latin America would be far better off if this country would keep its hands off. There is no cold war in Cuba. Only the insane economic war between Cuba and the US Most in Cuba are far better off than say their counterparts in other Latin American countries. Viva Fidel! Jay h, jay, did you like fidel? this is because you dont live there. ...pez Ps: a joke one cuban gay said to another "in US people have free expression. any body can said: fuck clinton" "also in cuba we have that: any body can said, fuck clinton too"
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havana
art over politic ideological totalitarism become subversive or its only propaganda. there are some room for subversive art in cuba? i dont think so. ...pez At 04:07 am -0400 26/8/00, Kathy Forer wrote: Is it possible to address this in art? Even given the need for heroic overcoming, can the artistic spirit triumph in such dire circumstances; If art exists there, it can't be so extremely hopelessly impoverished. Art too can't live without nourishment, it mostly fails in the face of insurmountable extremes. A story about the poet who had to stop so she could feed her children; when they had grown and she had some freedom she couldn't write either, her work had gone, either used up or lost.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
At 11:07 pm -0700 25/8/00, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: Hm, maybe there is more than one mindset in Cuba? all its possible. but there is not evidence that someone outside communist party can reach public opinion, or if there is any public opinion there. Maybe some people idealize america, and some people idealize Castro? the problem with ideologies, specially with those selfcalled "revolutionaries" is that they are becoming obsoletes very soon today (like technologies). they have only one chance to survive the social changes is to keep society coviniently stagnat in the past I know that when i was in Amstterdam I found a couple who hated amsterdam- one of the "free-est" cities in the world- and were trying to get back IN to Cuba. there are some people who hate liberty, specially when this is expressed free of social restrictions. the bureacrat socialism is an ambient disposed to that. But I also have heard, numerous times, of the art there, and all of it deals with the need for the spirits of people to be elevated out of the extreme poverty and structure. the art product over statism realism socialist- or communist have his social role to keep people in one midnset the rebel artist have no room to express. ...pez
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
terrible but true to live in cuba is like to live in fifties (last century) the cold war is not over there this is why my upset with cuban socialism venezuelan socialism too third world socialism too everybody living from state thinking like state working (if you have employee) for state to live work in cuba you must be a burocrat.mind of the communist party or forget it. i'been in havana for a week with a little handycam sony (the very first model) with a big angular lens (no zoom) i took ten hours of video i found al last two or three people trying to "contact" me for leave the iland, including a boy in a street that call me back: "sr. sr. i want to go to united estates" about mexico i tell you something: from red river to down we latin-americans are suffering the same myth: we learn that we are "the future of the world" "the cosmic race" this is cause of our hispaniard origen while united states in eighteen century are bunch of savages developing a very big country that we see today we are a bunch of condes duques developing the imperio espanhol if the imperio espanhol failed is not cause of the maine (the ship), or the raisin of an imperial united states is cause the spaniards are the most self-dishonest the latin americans are alike we dont accept we are wrong we can live for centurys against true thats is why in cuba is still in cold war. more: tha worst about to live like if we have in the cold war (so in the past) is that if there is no cold war there is a hot one turn to look colombia venezuela (with the little transnight dictatorship chavez) we instead to learn english open our minds to global world a technological revolution we are fighting a hot war (colombia) still in a cold war (cuba, venezuela, mexico, etc) against usa this is crazy jaymarvin boy ...pez ps: apologize the spanglish At 11:41 pm -0400 24/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A big jail??? Oh, please. The Cold War is over. Would you say the same thing about Mexico? How about any other third world country. How much time did you spend there? Where did you go? Any tourist with $$$ is king anywhere. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well any tourist with $s are king in havana but havana all the isla is a big jail for cubans the very best places in cuba are for people from outside while the cubans cant touch any hotel, any store, any beach thats is why the cubans dream to live the "paradise" amyway i was there in 1988 so i can talk about two or three cool places like "la trova de yoya". she is a big black old girl with a great voice there always are young musicians playing guitars and singing boleros ask for "la trova de yoya" this is a little house in san lazaro (frente al mar) in havana. if you find said hello for me to yoya ...pez At 09:27 pm -0400 23/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to jump in, but I've been to Cuba, and it's great! You'll love it. The people are cool. The art is great! Jay Marvin WLS Radio Chicago http://www.punkblood.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi david, i am so glad that you are going to be there, hope you will tell all about it. are you going to mexico first? senseless that the usa still has an imbargo on cuba. bye, carol :) David Baptiste Chirot wrote: hullo carol-- Oh I am glad you mailed your mask--am Clemente's assistant for the parade as we will meet unless unforseen circumstance obtrude in Havana for it--for three years now very good friends--i am collecting works from Milwaukee to bring--
