Re: Nahhh, we don't need to secure the *internal* network....
Ben Boulanger said: On 2 Aug 2002, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: From the outside in: router - firewall - FreeS/WAN gateway - encrypted traffic to LAN. Each machine on the LAN had it's own keypair that was registered with the gateway, so when a desktop was fired up, it would authenticate itself to the gateway, and it was then free to communicate with anyone. Anyone that was able to sniff the traffic just got encrypted streams. If you could get a system onto the network, it would be useless unless the gateway was compromised to accept a bogus key. This is a good way to secure an 802.11b network too. Very cool idea... I like it alot. Did you actually implement it? Any idea what the overhead was like? I imagine that your FreeS/WAN gateway would need some decent horsepower - otherwise you'd have scaling issues as your user base grows, right? For smaller networks, or maybe large networks segmented into smaller ones, this could be a nice setup. I guess one question is - the FreeS/WAN gateway solution still gives someone a connection in, correct? They can get on the network the same way (put a box in physically, have it phone home, connect) they just can't talk to anyone else. This solves the one problem, however, it doesn't solve the problem where you have a client that can't run something that talks to your FreeS/WAN gateway. Printservers, specialized boxes, etc.. You could put them on an unsecured private network. Throw a firewall in front of the the unsecured network with key pairs too. Well, I guess someone could hack that network, but you could probably do something allowing only certain MAC addresses. The author of LPRng described how to do this with printers. He had to print stock certificates or something like that. Postscript is a programming language. You can hid a key at random on the printer in RAM or on an attached hard drive. So he implemented RSA in postscript. Some of these specialized boxes have Java. There's an SSH in Java. I've looked at implementing private firewalls on servers. eg; a backup server running on an insecure net. With ipfilter, iptables, and windows 2k or XP it's not hard. There's always the DOD approach: put the network cables in conduit that has a vibration alarm on it. Use 10base2, token ring, or FDDI; something that detects a break and stops passing traffic if a splice is made. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Nahhh, we don't need to secure the *internal* network....
I'd think an old 386 would be alot less noticable and more disposable. Heck, how about a floppy based system? Go up to an existing machine already running on a friday afternoon and boot. If it's a floppy, have it erase itself after it boots. It'd probably run undetected until monday morning. Kenneth E. Lussier said: So, basically, be suspicious if anyone brings in a gaming console and sets it up in the breakroom. My favorite quote form this was: Most organizations focus on the perimeter, said Davis. Once you get through the outside, there's a soft chewy center. Not a bad read. A little light on the details, and you can't really dance to it, so I'd give it a 7.3 ;-) C-Ya, Kenny On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 13:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're behind a firewall. We're safe! http://online.securityfocus.com/news/558 Think again! (not that we haven't said *that* before either ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 26 Jul 2002, at 2:53pm, Kevin D. Clark wrote: However, there used to be a time when user directories used to be placed under /usr. Right. From what I understand, the embryonic Unix systems were single-user machines, with a very few top level directories: /src for source, /bin for binaries, /etc for all that system stuff, /dev for No, the 1st Unix systems on PDP-11s (Bell Systems Labs Journal volume *mumble*) were multi user. They had 2 disks, one fast small and one larger and slower. The slower disk was /usr and less frequently used items went there. The faster disk was the home of / bin. So the frequently used programs like ed, sed, grep, test, echo, etc.. went there. Because of the nature of the system, I think user data also went into / usr as well. They were developing the system and supporting Bell Lab's patent application writers on the same system. And they were developing things like grep, awk, pcc, and nroff at the time. Then things changed, and everybody started using other directories, most notably, /home . OS upgrades usually mangled stuff in /usr. So people started putting local site stuff out of /usr and even created /usr/local. Many 3rd party vendors continued to put stuff in /usr. I remember installing stuff as late as '94 that did this. /sbin, /opt, and /var are other notable additions. There were some applications in /etc (ping even?). /sbin and /usr/sbin were created to pull them out. SunOS didn't have sbin for example and many sysadmin apps were in /etc. Back in the old days, vendors put stuff in /usr (this is before pkgadd, rpm, etc). People started creating a /usr/local. Solaris came out with the idea of /opt for 3rd party stuff. I am a bit Sun centric here, but I have worked with Irix 4.x/ 5.3, HP-UX 9.x-11 and ultrix in the past too. I was writing scripts that would get disk geometry, partitioning, mounts and usage from each system. Beleive me, every OS has a different program in a different location to deal with disks. I think the GNU suite of tools ./config went a long ways toward getting stuff out of /usr and into /usr/local and other areas. Before ./config, installing a new package was a bear. Dig up an old package of PBMplus, MH, or Columbia Appletalk ( 150 patches to install). Even ghostscript was a pain until recently. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
Kenneth E. Lussier said: On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 13:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I beginning to think it's far easier to just install a base OS (similar to what you get with commercial UNIXes), then do something like apt-get or rpm-up2date to install new, non-OS stuff. This is what I have been doing for quite some time. I have one Debian CD that I use to do a bare minimum install. Then I have an options file on a floppy that I created using `dpkg --get-selections`. When the selections are loaded on the new system (using dpkg --put-selections), I do an apt-get and go home for the night ;-) I haven't used RH since 6.2, so I don't know if there is a way to do the same automation with rpm. Is Of course. Mandrake has rpmdrake / MandrakeUpdate. You can tell it to look at a mirror instead of CDs. And there's Ximian's red-carpet. I find it's better then rpmdrake. Of course, I don't want the Ximian desktop on my servers. rpm-get functional yet? -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, at 10:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... espoused by Evi Nemeth, et al, in the UNIX/Linux System
Administrator's Handbook series. RH violates these basic practices with
their configurations many times.
Heh. My take on the same thing was that USAH didn't get many things
about Linux and GNU. :-) The biggest being: GNU's Not Unix. There are
times where Red Hat (and others) have decided not to perpetuate certain
braindamages from traditional Unix. I, for one, am thankful for that in
many cases. Yes, it sometimes causes older software to break. The answer
is to fix the software.
Ever read The Unix Hater's Handbook? It's got some very good points
about the flaws in Unix. I think it's pre-Linux and many of the things
it complains about had been fixed by the time I read it ('92). Some of
the things have been fixed but the old versions are still distributed by
the Unix vendors.
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Re: Playing DVDs on Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello all, stuff about legal issues with DVDs deleted :-) So, I now have a DVD reader in my computer. It does a fine job reading audio and data CDs, but I had that before. I would like to be able to play movies, too. What, if anything, do people use to watch DVDs on Linux? Open Source software? Commercial software? What experiences -- good or bad -- have people had? Opinions? Gotchas? I've used Ogle. I got it as rpms. It even includes the DeCSS part to view encrypted DVDs as a seperately installable library. http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ Oh, I'm using it on Mandrake 8.1 8.2 FWIW. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Shell scripting moron
Erik Price said: script/tool, they do it in Perl (at least I do). For instance, Perl's regexes are a lot easier and more precise (to me) than the bash's globbing system. Well, I guess that's not fair, I just know a little Sometimes globbing is easier to work with then regex. I think Perl can do globbing if you want. Of course if you want to do something complex, regex can do much more then globbing. bit more Perl than I do bash. But what I'm wondering is if there really are a lot of Unix systems out there that don't come with Perl, to the Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, Irix, Tru64 (?). If you deal with older systems: SunOS, Ultrix, OSF and older versions of all of the above, for sure. Yes, perl is available on all of these, but it's an add on. I've also been in an environment where I couldn't install perl w/o 6 months of justification (think DOD B2 systems). If you're dealing with the single floppy linux distributions, perl is usually left off. Some linuxen had perl as an add on (slackware). Especially the older versions. I think some of the BSDs are looking toward moving perl to the optional sections too. I had to break into an Ultrix system from the boot CD once. Can you belive they didn't put ls on there? I had to use echo *. System startup scripts shouldn't assume more then sh and the programs in /bin. Solaris Jumpstart works like this too. extent that a script accompanying an application should be written in bash or csh over Perl. (Not counting the super-specialized systems like csh scripting!?!?! You heathen! :-) As someone who has fixed ported many csh scripts, don't do it! I found problems porting csh from SunOS to Solaris even! handhelds which might not have Perl for space reasons.) Such as my 1 floppy system examples. I cannot find it for the life of me, but somewhere in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives (that damnable WebObject interface is terrible and doesn't return the matches) is a quotation by Douglas Adams. He describes the joys of spending fifteen minutes writing a script that he could have done by hand in five minutes. Come on, we've all done it. Admit it... Absolutely. If I don't have to do that task again, that script was a waste. Until the 4th time. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Abusing CC:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, at 11:26am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, ahm, with all this discussion about headers like M-F-T, why aren't we using the already standard List-* headers? I would solve a lot of the complaints here! Because the configuration of the current mailing list is limited by the policies of the environment which hosts it, and we have to live with said limitations. DEC^WCompaq^WHewlett-Packard has been very generous over the years in hosting this list for us, for free, with outstanding reliability. It largely comes down to beggars can't be choosers. We are working on improving things, as you should know, Paul! :) Ummm, yahoo does lists for free provides a web archive, etc. Granted, there'd be less control ads inserted. Well, maybe there'd be more control. I'm not trying to put down DEC^WCompaq^WHewlett-Packard, they've been very generous and do a great job. I'm just saying there's at least one alternative. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions
Rich Payne said: On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Bayard R. Coolidge wrote: So, if they could at least offer a model that can auto-install SuSE 8.0, that did not have any Microsoft product on it, I'd be very interested. I think Bayard hits upon a very good point here. If IBM can't justify selling Linux pre-loaded on laptops (and I understand why) then how about selling Thinkpads with no OS? Surely this is the next best (or for us geek types a better) thing. FWIW, I've had about 6 laptops so far - 5 Thinkpads and now a Sony Vaio Slimbook. Most of the Thinkpads were employer owned and I must say that most ran Linux w/o to much trouble (back to the 755 I think), the one glaring exception of course was the MWave modem. I'd also much rather be using one today (that is if they made an Athlon version :) I recently bought a toshiba laptop to replace one that died. The old one had a working modem (28.8), the new one that has a winmodem. Everything else works very nicely. I have a PCMCIA modem just for winmodems, but it's be nice if the builtin one worked. The old laptops let you install a modem after you bought it, but that was always more $$$ then the PCMCIA modems. I'd say winmodems are the worst part of today's laptops and the easiest to work around. A non working graphics card or sound would make me return the laptop. btw - my old laptop was a P150. With a 1GHz Celeron on a wireless network, I never fire up my desktop. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Sun cables
Jeffry Smith said: Second, I'm looking for a keyboard cable and the optical mousepad (or a new mouse) for a Sun Sparc 10 workstation. I'm trying to get it working with Linux, and found out it's missing some parts. Once set up, I'm confident I can run it headless (I used to with other Sun equipment), but, alas, need some basic stuff to get the new OS loaded, etc. I have 3 sun workstations and no keyboard, mouse, or monitor for them. I hook up a null modem cable to the serial port a PC running kermit or hyperterm at the other end. Works great. You only need it hooked up to install. One problem w/ hyperterm; it sends a break when you quit, so unplug the cable before quitting hyperterm. I have installed Solaris, Suse Linux and NetBSD this way. They don't need a GUI to install. I don't remember if I played with Debian on 'em. btw - if you have a sun4c arch. machine, linux runs horribly on it. NetBSD runs *much* better on it. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: IRC servers?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi all, I'm wondering what IRC server people use. Since I know next to nothing about IRC, I have no idea what servers are available, and which ones are good/bad/major security holes, etc. Any pointers would be great. You're setting up an internal chat room like I told you about? Very cool if you can get everyone to use it. I'm not sure what we used at Genuity. If that's what you're doing, getting people to use it on a regular basis is the key to success. It's gotta become a 'water cooler' and not just a place to ask questions. If you have lots of windows users, maybe getting a server that does AIM would be better. Lots of people have AIM installed by default so it might be easier to get them to use it. They're also likely more familiar with the client. There are lots of Linux clients too. Jabber is another thought. While you're at it, pointers/recommendations on IRC clients would also be gratefully accepted :) I *really* like epic on linux. Character based I have macros that let you have multiple windows. Xchat works too for people that don't want to learn the keystrokes. Gaim has a plugin for IRC as does everybuddy and probably some others. On windows, I've used one based on tcl/Tk (ircle?). -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 8:45am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... you shouldn't allow NFS access to your mail spool ... Ever. NFS's history of piss-poor file locking means a shared mailspool is a recipe for disaster in any kind of heterogeneous environment. It might work if your favorite implementation does locking right, and everyone is using that same implementation, but otherwise, forget it. Well yeah. And NFS is inherently insecure. If you don't trust the environment, you shouldn't run it. MH's file format doesn't really need locking. Each new incoming message is a new file so you very rarely have more then one process modifying the same file. I *could* just run ssh X to run exmh/nmh. But then I'd need galeon, ee, openoffice, etc on my firewall too. I have run an environment with an NFS shared mail spool w/ 100 users on Solaris 2.5.1. Most users were using mailtool or netscape or pine. I never had a problem, despite the theoretical (and real) issues with NFS file locking. Sometimes a 90% solution that exists is better then the 100% solution that is unattainable. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:34:46 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Given my druthers, I'd rather run my own server, but Paul's particular situation left him few options. Paul likes exmh, and MH clients and IMAP do not mix, so he would have little use for such a tool, I am sure. His post was just a catalyst for my idea. Yeah, but you know, I'd really like to be able to use (ex)mh as an interface to an IMAP server. I really like the granular control I have over my e-mail with both raw mh commands and exmh as a GUI. I would *really* like to be able to re-engineer it to interface with an IMAP server and still manipulate my e-mail the same way, but have the mail stored on some external-to-my-laptop system. That would be way cool! There's always NFS and X ;-) I run fetchmail - procmail on my firewall (my personal server only!) and NFS mount the mail directory from my laptop. Of course, then there are issues outside the firewall. I can SSH into my firewall run exmh on the firewall if I have X on my remote system. Works if your firewall is always on you have enough bandwidth (cable modem, 802.11b internally). Of course, I'd like to have IMAP access to my MH folders too. If wishes were fishes I probably wouldn't like the restrictions. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: real scsi + ide-scsi module loading
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, at 12:37pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: If memory serves, the AHA 1542 SCSI card is an ISA PnP card. Gosh, no. The venerable AHA-1542 pre-dates the ISA PnP standard by quite a bit. Not only is it covered in jumpers, but, IIRC, to disable termination, you have to manually remove resistor packs. :-) There were 3 models, A, B, and C. I don't think many As got out. 386BSD was based on the 1542B (and there was a Minix patch for it and it worked well for me). I have a few of these, including the 1540B which doesn't have floppy support on it. These had all sorts of jumpers for setting IRQ, DMA, etc. I think the 154xB was the most widely supported SCSI adapter out there and several competitors emulated it (DPT). That's why I bought mine put it in the '286 I had at the time for Minix. I think the 154xC was PnP. When it came out, lots of people had problems with them. This was surprising as the 154xB was so rock solid. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What the media cartel wants (was: HP Drives ...)
It's kind of ironic they're switching to Linux. They used to use diskless Sun systems. If Sun did Linux, they might still be using sun. It's also ironic that Disney gets to keep their characters out of the public domain. I guess they remember the $$$ they've made off public domain characters like Cinderella, etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, at 4:04pm, Jon Hall wrote: Remember that Disney also was well behind the Sonny Bono extension of the copyright period to 90 ears, er, ah, years. For those who are not aware, maddog is referring to Disney's practice of paying Congress to extend copyright for 10 to 20 years every time the copyright on their Mickey Mouse (C)(TM)(R) character is about to expire. Invest in America -- buy a Congressman! (Mickey Mouse is a registered trademark and copyright of Walt Disney Corporation. Use of the term Mickey Mouse in this message is in no way intended to imply ownership or license. Please do not send jackbooted thugs to my house to confiscate my computer, my laptop, my Palm Pilot, and/or my cell phone.) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Windows Partition Spliter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, at 2:56pm, Ingham, Stephen wrote: I've heard of a Linux utility that will reduce the size a windows partition that takes up an entire hard. So that Linux can be installed on the left over space. But I can't remember the name of it. Does anybody know? parted (partition editor) runs under Linux and can do some of this. It is a GNU program. I believe it supports FAT, FAT32, and ext2. It does not support NTFS. I've used FIPS but when I got my laptop with XP, it wouldn't work. I searched for found a shareware application to work with XP's version of NTFS. It's called BootIT by TeraByte Unlimited http://www.terabyteunlimited.com -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What are your thoughts on PATH order?
Benjamin Scott said: On Thu, 30 May 2002, at 5:39pm, Bill Freeman wrote: Specificly, should /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin come first in one's PATH? I always put local first, for the reason you state: I might want to override a factory program with something else. (If I need to preserve the factory default for some reason, I can always use a different name for the local version.) I've mostly seen paths set up in the other order. I've had /usr/local NFS mounted. If the server is down, you had to wait for the path traversal to fail on /usr/local. So in that environment, NFS mounted directories should be later. And of course, root didn't have NFS directories in the path. You'd often be working on it when the NFS server was down. Also, we prefixed all the GNU tools with g or gnu. So gnutar, gnumake, gnused, etc... ./configure makes it easy. I think that is because your average OS vendor (or distribution maintainer) has a tremendously over-inflated idea of the way they do things, and they cannot possibly conceive of a reason you would want to use something other than what they give you. ;-) Maybe we all suffer from that ;-) -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: bash question
Kenny Donahue said: Ok, here's one for all you bash experts out there. I have a line in a script that does this: lspci -d1134:1 | /usr/bin/wc -l The idea of course is to get the number of our boards in the system. the funny thing is, if I log in as root I get 2/* Note the 6 blank spaces before the 2 */ if I log in as my self or ssh into the machine and su to root, I get 2 /* note NO space before the 2 */ if I ssh into the machine and sh - to root I get 2/* Note the 6 blank spaces before the 2 */ again. What's up. 1st, try: lspci -d1134:1 | /usr/bin/wc -l | tr -d ' ' that'll eliminate the space let you continue w/ your problem. As for the different behaviour of wc's output, I'll leave that to others. But I suspect when you do it as root or sh - you get root's environment instead of your own and there's some difference between the two. If you do the tr thing, it really doesn't matter :-) I did clean up the spaces with sed so this is not a functional problem. TIA, Kenny -- Ken Donahue Software Engineer phone: 978 967-1820 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mercury Computers, Inc. System OS - Host Development Team * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: cat an Exchange inbox?
Benjamin Scott said: On Thu, 2 May 2002, at 7:58pm, Karl J. Runge wrote: Is it possible to cat an Exchange/Outlook mailbox from a unix shell? I'm thinking along the lines of being able to view (but not download) ones POP/IMAP email via fetchmail like: % fetchmail -k -m cat mailhost | more Exchange Server supports both POP and IMAP. Port fetchmail to Windows, and you're done. If IMAP is available on the exchange server, you should be able to use any IMAP client: pine (pc or unix), netscape, etc. Exchange also has a web client too. If you can do imap, pine is probably much easier then cat. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ISP Recommendations?
Benjamin Scott said: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, at 12:51pm, Ben Boulanger wrote: A bad cablemodem is better than any good dialup in my opinion! Some cable ISPs have areas that are so screwed up, the effective average available bandwidth approaches zero. Even a modem is better than that. I have sympathy for those that can't get high speed access. Everytime I visit my mom I feel the pain. I have a cable modem and haven't experienced problems with it. In fact, I've seen coworkers have more problems with their DSL lines (down for a week). I helped a friend set up a firewall with his DSL and noticed he's got less bandwidth and higher latency. I have had outages. Once for almost 2 days. Usually for an hour or less. And there is a small slowdown after 5pm, but not enough to worry about. I think I'm lucky here. I live in a condo they redid the cable when we had the sewers put in 2 years ago. I think most of my neighbors don't use their computers much. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Shell scripting tips and tricks (was: I need a date! )
Jerry Feldman said: Actually, [ is a link to test. Linux uses a symlink, some Unixes use hard links. -rwxr-xr-x1 root root17496 Sep 20 2001 /usr/bin/test lrwxrwxrwx1 root root4 Dec 1 13:42 /usr/bin/[ - test And yes, BASH has it built in, but on some of the older Bourne shells it is not built in. As I said in not so many words, modern shells have it built in. I don't consider Bourne a modern shell. If I want test, I use test, not [. I've also used versions of Bourne that didn't have functions for instance (Ultrix). Speaking of builtin commands vs. Unix commands. While setting the PATH environment variable in a script is a good idea, specifying the full path to a standard command may be a better way. The user may have aliased the commands: alias rm='rm -i' So, in your script (or makefile), setting a variable for the command will bypass any aliases: RM=/bin/rm Or RM=\rm so that aliasing is negated. I don't alias rm and my root accounts don't either. Same with any other Unix command. So, for the reason of unpredictable aliases, X=$(/usr/bin/ls) Is the more predicatable way to proceed. Maybe. Now if I'm trying to run gnutar, on linux, it's /usr/bin/tar. On my solaris box it depends on the site. I've seen /usr/local/bin, /opt/ something, /usr/local/gnu, /local, etc. Even variations for each archetecture. I've also seen it called gtar or gnutar. It depends, of course, on your environment. Sometimes you want the full path, sometimes not. Specifying the full path for each program makes portability more difficult (think #ifdef in C). SunOS puts many programs in /usr/ccs for instance. Solaris has stuff in /usr/ucb. HP-UX and SGI use /usr/ bsd. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Shell scripting tips and tricks (was: I need a date! )
' | awk '{print $2}' | cut -d. -f1
| tr '\r' ' ')
# all the functions
# pushd, popd, dirs functions
set_DIRSTACK=
export set_DIRSTACK
function dirs {
print $set_DIRSTACK
}
function pushd {
dirname=$1
set_DIRSTACK=$dirname ${set_DIRSTACK:-$PWD}
cd ${dirname:?missing directory name}
dirs
}
function popd {
set_DIRSTACK=${set_DIRSTACK#* }
cd ${set_DIRSTACK%% *}
print $PWD
}
# do a df in k, not half k
set_DF () {
case $set_SYSTEM in
HP-UX)
bdf $
;;
SunOS)
case $set_SYSREV in
5*)
df -k $
;;
4*)
df $
;;
esac
esac
}
# do df of the local file systems
set_DFL () {
case $set_SYSTEM in
HP-UX)
bdf -t hfs
;;
SunOS)
case $set_SYSREV in
5*)
df -kl | egrep -v ^mvfs\|^/proc\|^fd
;;
4*)
df | egrep ^/dev\|File\|^swap
;;
esac
esac
}
# ps | grep
set_psg () {
ps $ps_cmd | egrep $1
}
set_psk () {
ps $ps_cmd | egrep $1 | egrep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill
}
set_psk9 () {
ps $ps_cmd | egrep $1 | egrep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9
}
---
Tom Buskey
Re: Sophisticated backup software for Linux
Robert Anderson said: We are using Networker from Lagato http://www.legato.com/;. We backup all types of hosts, but so far we've only used Sun's or SGI's as the backup servers. We've used the 4700 DLT's as well as 30 tape DLT drives and AIT tape units. All seem to have there own problems but nothing really related to the Networker software. The down side is that it's expensive and they tend to nickel dime you for everything seperately. Make sure you get a quote with all the hardware you have (counting robotic tape slots and number of drives) and OS's you intend to backup. Legato also has scaling issues. if you're backing up 100 machines, you probably won't hit it. Also the internal database the use to track things blows often gets corrupted. Given the expense and the scaling issues, I'd go with something else. I've had luck with veritas amanda in the past on smaller sites. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Sophisticated backup software for Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:48:56 EDT Benjamin Scott said: For example, if you have a 100GB fs, and you're using DLT IV tapes which only take about 80GB compressed, rather than using dump to dump the entire file system, have amanda use gnu tar to dump separate directories. That way you can prune things down to workable sizes. Most of the people on the amanda-users list do things this way, especially since Linus has more than once stated that people shouldn't rely upon dump, and that it will someday suddenly disappear. dump is also filesystem specific. Linux dump works with ext2/ext3 only. If you're using ReiserFS, JFS, XFS, or vfat (or anything else), dump won't work. But I was hoping to find something that someone here has actually used, though. :-) I've converted a small site (200 machines, 3 DLT 10 tape stackers) away from 3 legato server backing up 100 unix only systems to 2 veritas netbackup backing up 100 unix and 100 windows NT/9x systems. One server was Solaris, the other NT. I was also involved in converting a large site (12 web hosting data centers with 100-300 machines per DC, 4-12 DLT tape drive jukes at each DC. One DC backed up 1.2TB each night) from Legato to TSM. The servers were all solaris. If you're a huge site and you're going to heavily customize your backup system, TSM is a good way to go. If you just want the standard backups, Veritas Netbackup is good. They use standard gnutar 1.12 (?) to backup unless you're doing multiplex writing. Then they use a modified gnutar. To restore, you need just the single gtar they provide. Their licensing also allows you to setup a test system to experiment with, etc. They don't use a license manager. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: OT Mac equiv of PATH (was: total newbie question
Brian Chabot said: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Jack Hodgson wrote: If a *program*, OTOH, requests that a particular program (without path) be started, the OS has to look *somewhere*. Under Macintosh System, the OS only searches the System folder automatically. This led to many program Sounds to me lik,e MacOS7.x. I think macs store associations, much like windows does now, in the (hidden) Desktop file. Not the graphical desktop, but a file. With system 6, all the extensions control panels preferences were in the system folder. System 7 introduced standard sub folders into the system folder. The default text editor (nor bbedit, but the other one, the Mac equivelent of Windoze Notepad)) I found once in no less than 23 locations once. textedit. I believe you're allowed to distribute it. So every software vendor distributes it to ensure you're able to view the README.txt file. No one checks to see if it's already installed. That'd be harder to do on a mac because they don't have the equivalent of window's Program Files. Yes, there is the aforementioned Desktop file, but that's not always consistant. I don't know if the idea of a Mac $PATH is correct, but I do know that many programs had copies of themselves in various locations, and it would make sense if the only default path was in the System folder. Brian I don't think Mac has a PATH, really. Actually, what normal users set the PATH on windows anymore? If you're using the GUI, you don't worry about it. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: PATH (was total newbie)
Michael Bovee said:
Simply put, my PATH is really hosed up! /sbin nowhere to be found. No
wonder I've been having so much trouble! But let me back up briefly
and provide info that may be useful for troubleshooters:
echo $PATH returns the following info -- (linebreaks chosen for
clarity, I hope)
/usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin:
/usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin:
/usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin:
/usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin:
/usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin:
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games/bin:
/usr/games:/opt/gnome/bin:/opt/ked2/bin:.:/opt/gnome/bin:
/local/qmake/bin:/usr/local/tmake/bin:/local/qmake/bin:
/usr/local/tmake/bin:/local/qmake/bin:/usr/local/tmake/bin:
local/qmake/bin:/usr/local/tmake/bin:/local/qmake/bin:
/usr/local/tmake/bin
I have a bunch of ksh functions I got off the net somewhere that help
me keep my {MAN|LD_LIBRARY|CLASS|*}PATH variables clean. It works on
any variable with : seperations.
addpath - adds somthing to the beginning or end of the path IFF it's
not already on the path and it exists on the
system
delpath - removes it from the path
uniqpath - strips out repeating elements, preserving order.
I run on lots of different systems (Linux, NetBSD, Solaris, in the poast
SunOS, SGI, HP-UX, Tru64, Ultrix, AIX) and run the same .profile.
So on SGI, I want /usr/bsd in my path. On SunOS, /usr/ucb. addpath
will do the right thing. It takes longer to login, but then my system
doesn't waste time searching down bad paths for stuff. And I can have
one profile to maintain.
I think it will run in bash too. If anyone wants a tar of it, send me
email.
--
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Re: Sparc Linux distro
Sparc 5s came in 70, 85, 110, and 170 MHz. The 170 is called the Turbo and is a bit different. On the back there's a model number. The 85s and 110s all have -85 or -110. I've never seen a 170, but I bet that has it too. The 70s do not have -70. I've been playing with an LX I got off eBay. I ran Debian 2.2r5, Suse 7.3, and am now running NetBSD 1.5.2. All from CDs downloaded off the net. Oh, you don't need a keyboard or monitor to install. You can install using a serial terminal as your console. Make sure the terminal (hyperterm...) doesn't send a break when you turn it off. The service manuals for suns are here: http://docs.sun.com/ab2/coll.208.1/@Ab2CollView?DwebQuery=lxoqt=lxAb2Lang=CAb2Enc=iso-8859-1 A good site for hardware info about the various suns: http://faqaboss.sunhelp.org/ Cole Tuininga said: On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 15:06, Ed Robbins wrote: I have SuSe 7.3 running on several Sun machines. Which version of the 5 do you have 120 - 170? There was a problem loading Linux on the 170, I used to have to load it on a 120 and move the drives to the 170. Honestly, I have no idea. 8) How do I tell? -- Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later. Cole Tuininga Lead Developer Code Energy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x43E5755D * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: X11, VNC performance (was: Linux-Outlook (ouch) question)
dxpc will speed things up even more. dxpc compresses the X *protocol* that gets you more then compressing the bits. Here's some directions I wrote to remind myself: - remotely working on a laptop login to work system set display to laptop's IP dxpc -f set display to work system:8 on laptop: dxpc -f work system back on work system run X apps to display on laptop - I used to use term once upon a time too. You have to modify your app to do that. Those days are over thanks to things like slirp (a slip emulators). Karl J. Runge said: I did an exmh test just now to a ssh/vnc landing pad I have in the west coast (120ms ping times from here): exmh thru a ssh X redir (no vnc) was OK for the changing text, but the gui widget aspects (dialog popups, menus, etc) were painfully slow (e.g. often 2-6 secs to map the new windows). exmh via vnc on the ssh link had much better response (e.g. 1 sec to map the new windoes), most all aspects seemed tolerable/usable. (it goes w/o saying no fancy backgrounds or polished metal, translucifying, wm's for the vnc session (I use fvwm + solid bg)) -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: X11, VNC performance (was: Linux-Outlook (ouch) question)
Benjamin Scott said: On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, at 8:11pm, Tom Buskey wrote: dxpc will speed things up even more. dxpc compresses the X *protocol* that gets you more then compressing the bits. We're not talking about size-of-transactions here but the sensitivity to latency -- which, roughly speaking, might be measured by the number-of-transactions. Does dxpc do anything about that? I believe it does. It does caching at either end also. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=2374 http://www.vigor.nu/dxpc/ -- hard to find DXPC home page In any event, it is better then SSH compression alone. I imagine it can be combined with VNC too. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Turning a PC into a RAID box?
I've heard about this being possible with FreeBSD but I haven't been able to find any info on it. Here's what I'm looking for: Take a PC install a minimal Linux or *BSD on it. Install multiple IDE disks. Run software RAID on it Install a SCSI card in it. Now, connect via SCSI to another machine (that doesn't have IDE) use it as an external RAID system. Has anyone heard of this? I have a Sun I'm using (no IDE) and a spare P166 PC with SCSI IDE. I figure this setup is cheaper then buying external SCSI drives. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Turning a PC into a RAID box?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Are you looking to just use the external system a disk chassis with power supply? If so, you should be able to just connect the scsi card to the external system provided the external system as a scsi port to connect to. It doesn't need a scsi controller, just one of the ports on the cable connecting the disks needs to be able to be connected to the scsi controller in the other system. I want the PC to be a RAID box with level 1, 5, or 0+1. I want to external system to see the PC as a SCSI disk. Basically, I'm looking at Linux/*BSD to be used as an embedded OS controlling the RAID. The external machine just sees a SCSI drive doesn't care about anything going on inside it to make RAID happen. If that's what you're trying do I don't see why it won't work. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Turning a PC into a RAID box?
SCSI is *much* faster then ethernet. I also don't want the traffic to go across the net. Say I'm running a database. NFS file locking doesn't work well. Local disk locking does that's what this box would be. Local disk. Ingham, Stephen said: I would use a network connection instead of the SCSI card to connect to the sun box. Configure the linux system as a NFS server for the Sun Worstation to use. -Original Message- From: Tom Buskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Turning a PC into a RAID box? I've heard about this being possible with FreeBSD but I haven't been able to find any info on it. Here's what I'm looking for: Take a PC install a minimal Linux or *BSD on it. Install multiple IDE disks. Run software RAID on it Install a SCSI card in it. Now, connect via SCSI to another machine (that doesn't have IDE) use it as an external RAID system. Has anyone heard of this? I have a Sun I'm using (no IDE) and a spare P166 PC with SCSI IDE. I figure this setup is cheaper then buying external SCSI drives. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Turning a PC into a RAID box?
Benjamin Scott said: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, at 11:25am, Tom Buskey wrote: Now, connect via SCSI to another machine (that doesn't have IDE) use it as an external RAID system. What you describe is possible in theory. However, it requires the SCSI host adapter in your Linux box to function as a SCSI target. Last I knew, the Linux SCSI subsystem did not support that -- it can only act as the initiator of a SCSI command, not be a target of one. So any such project would require a major rewrite of the Linux kernel SCSI subsystem (or writing a private SCSI layer and drivers, take your pick). Either way, it would be a lot of work. I've heard of FreeBSD being able to function this way. As a SCSI target. I'll go search on that. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Turning a PC into a RAID box?
Bayard Coolidge USG said: Take a PC install a minimal Linux or *BSD on it. Install multiple IDE disks. Run software RAID on it Install a SCSI card in it. Now, connect via SCSI to another machine (that doesn't have IDE) use it as an external RAID system. Well, as others have pointed out, using Target Mode is the way to go if you *insist* on doing it this way. However, I can tell you from personal professional experience, it ain't easy. What SCSI Host Bus Adapters are you planning to use and does their firmware know Target Mode? (Consider that a rhetorical question, BTW). How do you (plan to) turn on Target Mode support in your SCSI Driver or your HBA's device driver? (Assuming you know how, or it's documented...) I'm not saying this is a good idea for a production environment. As I said in another post, I've seen something about FreeBSD being able to do this, but I haven't been able to find it. I also don't want the traffic to go across the net. What net? If you have dedicated Ethernet adapters on each system and use a crossover cable between them, it's not an issue. True. But then you're doing network access instead of SCSI access. SCSI is *much* faster then ethernet. I agree with Mark Komarinski's assessment. Running 100 Mbit/sec FDX should do the trick for you. Remember, you'll have some track/sector seek times, so it's unlikely, in a TP environment, that you'll max out the link for very long. Yep. 100Mb ~ 10MB (roughly). There's also some latency from software RAID. I'm also not interested in creating a Network Appliance type box. And, since you're running a database, you want to make sure your data I'm not. I'm just putting forth an example of where an NFS'd filesystem doesn't work as well as a local filesystem. transfers are reliable. Running with hacked-up SCSI HBA firmware and device drivers is not, IMNSHO, commensurate with that... True. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Turning a PC into a RAID box?
Benjamin Scott said: If you think of a SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controller, you have a perfect example of a smart device acting as a SCSI target. The limitations we encounter here are mostly in Linux. The Linux kernel's SCSI subsystem has long been a broken mess. My understanding is that things were improved somewhat for 2.4, but a total rewrite is still needed. So the core SCSI code, and the device drivers, simply do not support this kind of operation. Additionally, many SCSI host adapters (either firmware or silicon) do not implement target mode, or do so poorly. Anyone know of anyone doing this with FreeBSD, NetBSD, or OpenBSD? I came up with a reference to SCSI target mode on FreeBSD in 1998 but the thread died there. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: external cdrw recommendation...
I have a SCSI CD-RW (Yamaha). Most of my machines have SCSI. On the laptop, I use an adaptec PCMCIA scsi (AHA-1460). Works great. I can hot swap it too. I got everything off auction. Joshua S. Freeman said: Hi all, I mentioned a few weeks ago that I've purchased a Dell Latitude LS laptop. My goal is to install RH 7.2 on it and attach an external cdrw drive to it. Two questions: does RH7.2 support USB 2.0? can anyone recommend an appropriate drive? Price *is* an object. :-) TIA, J. Oh.. and would the Lettvin's piano tuner please re-email me, off list? TIA, J. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.threeofus.com -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Broken software (was Re: RH7.2 install)
Andrew W. Gaunt said: I'm looking for a light weight web server that I can run on port 81 of my linux box (Sparc Debian) at home and expose it to the Internet. I've got apache running on 80 which is what I use on the home network. I block that port with the firewall 'cause I don't want it exposed the unwashed masses on the Internet. On port 81 I'd like to make another web server available that is light weight, easily configured, secure, etc. I don't need a lot of functionality, just basic http tranfers with some kind of user authentication for some areas. Why not run a 2nd copy of apache on that port? You already know it. It might not be the leanest, but it meets the other requirements. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: tiny web server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There's also that web server someone wrote in postscript which runs out of inetd, but I really don't think you want that ;) I wonder how that would run on my printer. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: MPlayer install
John Abreau said: --==_Exmh_-545042407P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As I recall, the only problem I had with Redhat 7.0 was in trying to compile MPlayer, where its configure script would explicitly check the version of gcc and then loudly announce that that version was Politically Incorrect and immediately exit. Everything else I built on it worked just fine. I'm running Mandrake 8.1 and hit that too (Mandrake shipps gcc 2.96). Then I installed gcc-3.0.1 from the CD or MandrakeUpdate or Ximain and did CC=gcc-3.0.1 and MPlayer compiled easily. I wasn't able to get it playing DVDs, but I found ogle on a swedish site. That plays 'em quite nicely. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: NIS stuff
O'Reilly just came out with the 2nd edition of NFS and NIS. The 1st edition is 1991 SunOS specific. I haven't looked at the new one as I don't do NIS nowadays, but I sure prayed for it to cover something other then SunOS in the days of Solaris 2.5.1. I'd grab it in a second if I was doing NIS. The Nemeth Purple (red previously) has a section on NIS too. You should have that book if you're doing sys admin anyways. If its NIS isn't enough, get the O'Reilly book. Robert Casey said: Hello again, I'm still working on getting NIS tuned the way we want it but I'm havin g trouble finding the info. I need. Once again I'm fairly new to Unix and brand new to Redhat linux. Basically, I get documentation concerning the configuration of NIS on line but everything seems to be bits and pieces of information. I read the man pages but they confuse me even more. Can anyone recommend a book, whether it be on line or something I have to order, that's like an NIS for dummies. In other words something that will not assume I know anything about NIS. I'm running Redhat 7.2 that I purchased and it is installed on a Dell Optiplex GX1 with a Pentium 2 333MHZ processor. Bob Casey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Benefits of owning a domain (was Re: Cross Yahoo off the list of free e-mail services!)
Paul Lussier said: In a message dated: 21 Mar 2002 13:19:17 EST Kenneth E. Lussier said: Domains are cheap these days, so anyone can afford it. Setting up the servers really only requires a few old PC's, a Linux distro, and some documentation. You forgot one important thing: Affordable, high speed, always-on internet access. I could easily afford to register my own domain, but without xDSL or cable modem access to the net, what good is it? A dial-up connection just isn't a feasible means of running a domain. Can it be done? Absolutely. Is it worth the trouble? No, not really. Especially if the only reason is to gain POP3 e-mail access. My $21/month for an ISP gets me upto 8 POP3 mailboxes if I really need them. If I *really* want to run a website, I get 10MB or so of space. Running my own domain, as I'm sure is true for most internet users, is actually *more* trouble than it's worth, especially considering I'm restricted to dial-up access, as is the majority of the U.S.! I've had a usa.net address for a long time. My work email has changed 6 times. mediaone.net just became attbi.com and (I think) they're up for sale so another domain change will be happening in the future. Also, I've been looking for a house for awhile will be looking again as soon as I get a job. I might not be able to get a cable modem with attbi where I move. It's been nice to tell people [EMAIL PROTECTED] have that forwarded or POP'd to whatever real address I have. Then they started charging $30/ year for it. I paid because I think that's reasonable. Now, they're upping it again to (I think) $60 or so. Register.com will let me get buskey.name with a forwarded email for $25/ year. And I can renew the domain every year so it'll be around for awhile no matter what my ISP or work does to the domain name. I'm doing it so I don't have to resubscribe to every list and tell my friends my email has changed yet again. What a pain. It's worth $25/ year to avoid that. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Please remove all 'mediaone.net' addresses
Michael Costolo said: Fortunately I try to avoid using ISP email accounts. I've changed ISPs too ma ny times and know how hard it is to get everyone to update their address books th at I just give out my Yahoo! address making life simpler. -Mike- I've been using netaddress.net/usa.net for a number of years now. But they're starting to charge for accounts. I like it because I can use fetchmail with it it's easy to put out there. Does Yahoo have POP? Anyone know of a free, long term, POPable, web enabled email site? -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: X servers for Windows
I've use MI/X in the past, which is no longer free for Windows, but still is for Macintoshes. I've also used Exceed and Reflections/X. Cygwin is very cool. It gives you a Unix shell (bash) and all the familiar apps on windows. ps kill work. X works well as does ssh. It's not as fast as Exceed or Reflections/X, but it's good enough. Now if I could find a free NFS client for XP/2k/98 I'd be all set. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux Success And Less
FWIW, Sun only uses solaris internally. I bet the question is more 'How on earth can any company run w/o using Microsoft?' Mark Komarinski said: This may not be the best answer, but Red Hat uses Linux everywhere. I interviewed there last year and everyone from the receptionist to HR and (of course) developers had Linux/StarOffice on their desktop. I asked a few non-tech people working there what they thought and they said there was a bit of training to get familiar with how Linux worked, but got over it pretty quickly. -Mark On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 12:56, Martha Jo McCarthy wrote: Hey there! My last request was a little vauge and narrow and I received some good material but I need more. I thought I'd be more specific and give it another shot. This is what just came down the wire to me from the VP. If you have any input we can use it would be really, really appreciated. Thanks! -Mjo P.S. and thanks to those who have already given input! -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: LINUX Good Morning Everyone, In order for management to make a decision to convert over to LINUX, we need to have more info on the product. I would like to request that each of you contact several companies who are currently using LINUX. I would like to know the nature of the business, and how LINUX fits there situation. You have presented to us information about the product and everything appears to be positive. What we haven't heard to date are any of the concerns and issues companies have experienced, and I am sure there are some. I am requesting that you refrain from doing anything further with LINUX, until you folks to do the above research, and give management another presentation on your findings. Time is a factor, so I would encourage you to do your research, and be able to give management another presentation on your findings by the first week of April. Thank you for your cooperation. Have a GREAT day! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Paul Lussier's mail is messed up
Something in nmh? /etc/nmh/mts.conf? .mh_profile? Paul Lussier said: In a message dated: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:59:07 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I suspect you're logging in as user 'pll' instead of user 'plussier'. Ergo (I think), you should use sendmail's virtual user table instead of masquerading. (map 'pll' to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in virtusertab). And I think there ma y be another table you should turn on (generics?) and use. If you really are logging in as plussier, then I give up. I am logging in as 'pll'. I've tried using both virtusertable and genericstable and can't seem to figure it out. I'm going to try and set this host up as a nullclient with a minimal config, and failing that, I'm going to move over to Postfix (since I've been meaning to look at it for sometime anyway :) Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Kspread
Jerry Feldman said: I have not used GNUmeric, but I have use Star Office as well as M$ Excel. Whil e SO (5.2) is bloatware as is M$Office, 6.0 is a major improvement. I use Star Office primar ily for my classroom presentations at Northeastern. I did not want to switch versions mid-quarter, but I plan to upgrade to 6.0 when Sun officially releases it. http://www.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0beta/ I second the 6.0beta. It's definately a good substitute for M$Office 2k. It displays prints all the doc files I used to get at work. Gnumeric is much smaller handles 90% of the xls files. It's '95 compatible. If you're heavy into spreadsheets, you might miss some of the functions of excel (freeze rows/columns). -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: More spam discussion
Bayard Coolidge USG said: In fact, it's an amusing irony that I am now running exmh 2.5 (thanks to Paul Lussier's excellent talk in Nashua a couple of months ago). Here at work, I'm one of the few holdouts still getting e-mail using the 'mh' system, as opposed to IMAP or *gasp*, Microsoft Exchange. One of the nice parts about exmh, from an end-user perspective, is the ability to have the abstracts of the new mail listed on the screen before I actually open an individual e-mail. This morning, I had 54 new mail messages, 8 of which were spam. I was able to use a separate xterm window to cd into my 'inbox' directory, do an 'rm' of the offending messages, and then tell exmh to 'rescan folder'. Combine that with procmail you can filter lots of it to a spam folder. Add ifile it will watch how you refile messages in exmh/MH and will learn how you do it. Then much of the spam will be refiled by ifile into your spam folder for you after awhile. You can also tell ifile to scan all your current MH folders. One of the bad things about much of the spam is that the message is in HTML, which exmh will readily display inline for me, BUT all too often, there are references to .gif or other decorations from an external site that I have to wait forever for. Or, worse yet, there's an inline URL that calls up a web page using a specific serial number as an argument, which in effect tells the server/spammer that I opened the message. Go into the preferences - html viewer http proxy server: localhost proxy port: pick something not in use Now those redirects go nowhere, quickly, and you can read the message wit hout waiting. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Kspread
Tom Rauschenbach said: I have never used a spreadsheet before but I need one now. I just tried Kspread but there appears to be no documentation. Is it compatible with something that IS documented ? Or can someone suggest a different spreadsheet tool. I'm neither picky nor demanding, I just need something simple and capable. Obviously I'm a KDE user so a GNOME tool starts out with one strike against it, unless somebady can convince me that I can run GNOME tools. Well, gnumeric is good enough to install gnome for. You can still run it under KDE, just like I run some KDE tools under GNOME. gnumeric's excel file translation is good enough that you shouldn't need staroffice or excel. Staroffice is another possibility but it's slow big. For very basic, sc is out there Thanks TomR * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: `tar` question
Quick dirty: tar cf - files | ssh B 'dd if=- of=/dev/st0' or ssh A tar cf - files | dd if=- of=/dev/st0 or something like that. Tar can work with rmt and there's probably a way to make that work with ssh, but I'm not sure how. Probably something like On A: ssh -L 441:B:441 /bin/sleep tar cf localhost:/dev/st0 files This would (I think) try to backup to rmt (port 441) on localhost (A) which is forwarded via ssh to B's rmt then to /dev/st0. You might also play with GNUtar's -rsh-command=ssh too. Thomas M. Albright said: To all you tar gurus out there, I have a question. On box A (192.168.0.2) I have data that badly needs backing up. On box B (192.168.0.9) I have a tape drive. Can I use tar, over ssh, to back up box A to the tape on B? Typically I just `tar -cvzf file.tar.gz directory` I've never used a tape drive locally, much less remotely, so I'm comparitavely clue-free right now. The man page is rather useless, and info pages have never failed to boggle me. Help me Obi-Wan! You're my only Hope! -- Thomas M. Albright (Linux user number 234357) Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: `tar` question
If SSH is required for security, I wouldn't use NFS. NFS isn't secure. Maybe his non routable address is in a hostile environment (web hosting backend, DMZ, etc) Also, you can turn on compression in SSH. ssh -C -c blowfish will compress use the faster blowfish algorithm. Jerry Feldman said: The simplest way to proceed is to NFS mount the drive from box A on Box B. (Since you are on a non-routable ip address behind some semblance of firewall, you should be secure). Then: mount imported directory) - assume this is in your /etc/fstab cd imported directory tar cf /dev/mtxxx cd elsewhere umount imported directory Remember that ssh will add a significant overhead. On 25 Feb 2002 at 13:00, Thomas M. Albright wrote: To all you tar gurus out there, I have a question. On box A (192.168.0.2) I have data that badly needs backing up. On box B (192.168.0.9) I have a tape drive. Can I use tar, over ssh, to back up box A to the tape on B? Typically I just `tar -cvzf file.tar.gz directory` I've never used a tape drive locally, much less remotely, so I'm comparitavely clue-free right now. The man page is rather useless, and info pages have never failed to boggle me. Help me Obi-Wan! You're my only Hope! -- Thomas M. Albright (Linux user number 234357) Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?
You can customize the keys mouse buttons in control center - sawfish - shortcuts. I use middle mouse button on the title to raise/lower, F7 to iconify, etc. I don't use the menus but I bet if you dig into it, there is a way to do it from shortcuts. You can set it to pop the apps menu or the main menu (the foot). Robert Anderson said: I use Sawfish daily on 4 different systems, and I haven't written a lick of lisp. :) I've been using sawfish on Solaris 7, Solaris 8, and Mandrake for over a year. I didn't know there was a .sawfishrc. I've been able to customize everything through the control center just fine. Okay, then can you explain where I'm supposed to edit the root menu contents? I want to map mouse buttons 1-3 to diffent menus, the contents of which are defined by me. The menu editor doesn't seem to allow for any other menu customization than the Foot menu (and for some stupid reason I need to be root to do that!). When I first started using sawmill (the old name) I wanted a way to run my own commands via keyboard shortcuts. That was the only time I needed to use their lisp like code. I found some examples and made the following file which worked well for awhile. I no longer use it and do not know if it's currently functional or correct, but it worked for me when I used it. The main keyboard shortcut that I really wanted was Alt-ESC to run my xask (ssh to a system after asking me that name, it also updates the window icon tittles). I need this to functionality or I am lost. Since then I found that if I changed my xterm command (under the SawFish Miscellaneous menu) to $HOME/bin/xask, I can then use the Shortcuts menu's Xterm command choice to do what I was doing. The other shortcuts I didn't seem to need as much as this, so I just removed them after time. Well that said, here is what I was using back then: [rea@q ~]$ more rea.sawmillrc ;; 4/20/00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] first added ;; base on their stuff. (require 'sawmill-defaults) ;; my new terminal (bind-keys global-keymap M-ESC '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/xask )) (bind-keys global-keymap CM-ESC '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/xask -telnet )) (bind-keys global-keymap M-E '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/email )) (bind-keys global-keymap CM-C '(system /usr/bin/X11/xcalc )) (bind-keys global-keymap CM-S '(system /usr/bin/netscape http://www.clearstation.com ) ) ;;(bind-keys global-keymap ;; M-W (popup-menu (beos-window-menu)) ) [rea@q ~]$ -- Robert E. Andersonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programmerphone: (603) 862-3489 UNH Research Computing Center fax: (603) 862-1761 -- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Amanda Howto?
I think Sysadmin magazine recently had an article on setting up amanda Brian Chabot said: Hello, I was wonderring if there was a quick and easy HOWTO for Amanda out there I've looked in linuxdoc.org and run basic searches. The only one I found was the Linux Backup HOWTO which didn't cover any advanced things or ven really Amanda at all except to say it's out there and beyond the scope of a simple HOWTO ...and I did find one HOWTO for Amanda in Spanish. Anyone know enough technical Spanish to translate? It's at: http://www.samtek.es/howtos/amanda/amanda-howto.html Anyone out there have a relatively simple set of instructions for getting it up and running with minimal hassle? For those interested, here's what I'm trying to do: At work, we need backups made nightly, with weekly fulls. Amanda to run on a PIII800/384 Mandrake8.1 to later be moved to an Athlon1900+/1024/RH7.2. Tape drive is an HP Surestore Autoloader (1/9) with Ultrium tapes. There is about half a TB that needs to be backed up at the moment. Brian... trying to make sense of Amanda's man pages... --- | [EMAIL PROTECTED]Spam me and DIE! | | http://www.datasquire.net | | Co-Founder Co-Owner of| | Data Squire Internet Services | --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: GPG and different mailers
I'm able to read it just fine. However, I'm using exmh too. So some of us can read Paul's stuff. Keep working on it Paul. Derek D. Martin said: At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Note that this is still coming through as ASCII armored, and the MIME header is INSIDE The PGP block of the message. Figured it was just a configuration glitch, since you're playing with different mailers. Yeah, probably was. I think I fixed it. I think you didn't. ;-) -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?
Derek D. Martin said: At some point hitherto, Paul Lussier hath spake thusly: Using the Sawmill window manager, for example, seems to require writing some lisp code in the .sawfishrc file. I use Sawfish daily on 4 different systems, and I haven't written a lick of lisp. :) I've been using sawfish on Solaris 7, Solaris 8, and Mandrake for over a year. I didn't know there was a .sawfishrc. I've been able to customize everything through the control center just fine. That's fine for a individual, but not so good if you need to configure 20-1000 users. As a sysadmin, I'd leave the users to the default setup the control panel though. Mucking with the raw sawfish config files instead of the GUI is like mucking with sendmail.cf instead of the M4 files. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Satelite systems
Has anyone seen the Robert X Cringley site? He's doing stuff w/ 802.11b. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010712.html The synopsis: he's using satellite can't get DSL or Cable modem. So he finds someone (using a telescope) that can get DSL, gets *them* a connection, then uses 802.11b (WiFi) with some directional antennas to connect to the DSL. He's got some further info on using a booster antenna to go around an obstacle hooking into a Starbucks' wireless LAN. There are also some groups trying to do community 802.11b networks in Cambridge and Londonderry, NH. I forgot the web site :-( This kind of stuff with NAT firewalls has some of the cable DSL companies upset. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Throughput of DSL Internet
You have to remember that with a cable modem, your neighbors will have an effect. Cable is more like a hub, DSL is more like a switch. I'm on a cable modem it seems my neighbors are light users. Also, the cable company redid the cable in my condo complex a few years ago when we had everything ripped up to put in the sewer. It was about the time Mediaone bought...ummm.. the Lowell cable company... cablevision? I can offer subjective data. I worked at Genuity until November. As an internet backbone provider (Nearnet was run by Genuity as GTE internetworking or as BBN once upon a time) we had 10Mb (yes, megabits on ethernet) to the internet. Probably one of the few places that would make a cable modem or DSL line seem slow. I did notice the difference when I was downloading a CD iso file, but for web surfing and downloading small files (10MB or less), it's almost a wash. Oh, since Genuity hosted some of the sites I went to (MSNBC, ZDnet), I was getting stuff across the LAN so there's some speed up there too. Mediaone connects to Genuity's net in NYC so there's a bit of a lag from the cable modem. This doesn't help you measure much, but maybe it provides a datapoint for some people. Jack Hodgson said: Benjamin Scott wrote: You have to realize something about Internet feeds. The bandwidth of the last hop link is but one of many factors involved. Ben, Good explanation of the situation, and I agree with your warning that we can really demand/expect very little (nothing?) from our residential broadband providers. But that doesn't mean there isn't a good reason to try and measure that service. One of the important factors in judging the acceptability of an ISP is its speed. It would be helpful in deciding the cost/benefit of cable modem vs. DSL vs. satellite vs. whatever. So the (implied) original question: How DO we measure the speed of our connectivity? -- Jack Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 603-433-7161 www.jackhodgson.com * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux copied Solaris (NOT)
Mansur, Warren said: My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc . . ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms, so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all UNIXes except Sun, and Sun. Example: try tying 'ps aux' on Sun and see what happens. I swap between BSD Sys V unixen all the time. My most common command seems to be ps [commands] | egrep [regexp]. So I put this in my start ups (ksh/bash syntax follows) and alias to psg: # Which ps args does the OS take? psax=$(ps ax 21 | wc -l) pse=$(ps -ef 21 | wc -l) if [ $psax -gt $pse ] then ps_cmd=aux# BSDish ps else ps_cmd=-ef# SYSVish ps (OSF, Linux RH 6.0 pick this) fi alias psg=ps $ps_cmd | egrep psg . is like running w/o the egrep. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: huge backup
There's an app called backuponcd. Look for it on http://freshmeat.net. It will backup directly to CD or to .iso files. Tom Rauschenbach said: This has got to be on topic. It's about a Linux machine in New Hampshire! I have a filesystem that is 39389776 1k blocks. Obviously too big to back up on a single CD. I'd like to cut it up into separate file systems that can be backed up on CD. Does anyone know of a clever/fast/convenient way to do this ? I'm quite capable of writing the scripts to to do it (and I'll donate them to the list if I have to write them) but surely someone has already done this. TIA TomR * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: linux/windows security
When I 1st got my cable modem 2 years ago, they didn't have those nice little NAT/routers. I recommend them to others. I've seen them with print servers 802.11b wireless. But I had a PC (p166) that I could use. And lots of extra NIC cards. I went to a web site (linux-firewalls.com?) that spit out an ipchains (or ipfw that preceeded ipchains?) script. It worked well enough. Someone at work was a NetBSD commiter convinced me to try it. So I did. It's been very nice too. I'm not tempted to put X other apps on it ;-) I find ipfilter easier to understand then ipchains. iptables is pretty good too. Then work had some sparcs they wanted to get rid of. So I got one (with 2 nics) and put NetBSD on it. I copied /etc from the PC, changed the MAC on the sun I was going. Now I could use my PC for other things. I also have some macintosh 68k machines with 2 nics cards that I'm eyeing for NetBSD. I wish I could swap architectures that easily with linux. I'm also glad that I can use ipfilter know that if I upgrade the OS, I don't have to rewrite my rules (ipfw/ipchains/iptables). I also like the fact that I have a non-standard OS without a familiar 386 CPU in it. And being able to SSH into it to check logs, dump files from work, and allow others to have accounts. If I had the $$, I'd love to get an embedded CPU thing that uses less power, but for now, the sparc is working pretty well. (hoping I don't get shot for talking up NetBSD on a Linux list :-) My laptop runs Mandrake 8.1 btw. -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: (OT) email
I've been using usa.net (http://www.netaddress.net to signup) for a number of years. It now costs me $20/year. I get web access, forwarding, and POP access. My wife uses the web access from work. I use the POP with fetchmail to my firewall. For $20/year, I get some spam filtering no ads on the web access. I'd do some work on google for an address. Benjamin Scott said: On 12 Feb 2002, R. Sean Hartnett wrote: Can anyone recommend any free email service somewhere that is not one of the big spam outfits? Free services work on advert dollars. Small services cannot attract significant advertisers. Thus, small free services are destined for failure. It would be difficult to recommend such an operation. If you want free, sign up with Yahoo. :-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | -- --- Tom Buskey * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
