[lace] What do we call this lace?

[Devon Thein]

What would we call the lace in the photographs I posted at
http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history? It is Dutch, 17th
century bobbin lace. Is there another phrase that would further describe it
or describe how it is made? Is it Freehand lace? If you were looking for
this lace what words would you put into a search mechanism? Is there a book
that deals with this kind of lace that I could read?

It is a very interesting lace structurally, with more rows on the head side
than on the foot side.
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Devon

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Re: [lace] What is this lace?

[Devon Thein]

What an interesting conversation about the strange lace piece I have
encountered. Jo Ann believes it is needle lace. I think that is
understandable as you could achieve this effect or something like it with
needle weaving, as in Halas lace. But, the fact that the tape can
transition seamlessly into a plait based structure, see first photo, makes
me think it is bobbin lace. I think the long tapes are made the way we make
tallies. They look like tallies in that they are “weft faced”, namely the
warp is totally covered by the weft or worker thread. (Linen stitch is a
double weft weave, two threads going back and forth. The tally is single
weft, one thread is going back and forth)

The piece in the Smithsonian that Karen draws our attention to is
fantastic, a real tour de force in this technique. Again, I am questioning
whether it might be needle woven, but it too has plait based sections.
While the bird has parts that look like tallies, weft faced, it also has
areas that look like a very even weave. Are these made the same way as the
tally tapes? In tallies you are constantly tensioning and pressuring the
worker to compact. I guess you could do the same movements, but without the
extreme tensioning in order to create the impact of a woven fabric.

It was this fabric type effect that caused me to think about the flower pot
lace that I posted next on Ning. This is a piece with both the compacted
tally type tape and also a more even weave type of tape. These transition
into bobbin lace grounds effortlessly in this piece as well.

The final piece that I posted was one with three flowers made in tally
technique. This one even has a pair, or sometimes a braid which migrates
through the tally to other tallies.

Returning to the bird piece that Karen drew our attention to, I am
enthralled by this portion of it where an even weave worked like a curved
tally separates at the eye hole, and turns into a Giant Plait before
turning into a pointed tally in the beak.

I am including a photo of the very old piece that was made with tapes and
motifs which were all plaited, or woven diagonally, or whatever you want to
call it. (I call it a Giant Plait.)

Kim’s insight that the elongated tally may be a very old way of making
tapes seems very likely. Karen’s piece illustrates the incredible skill of
the old lacemakers as they move through these various structures. These
were classified as bobbin lace.

I have posted photos to go with this on
http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history

I am still confused about how you would be tensioning such long tallies,
let alone the woven areas, since it does not appear that there are pin
holes. Any insights would be appreciated.

Devon

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Re: [lace] What is this lace?

[Kim Davis]

Devon,

 Have you seen the book, "Gekloeppelte Reticella?"   As the name
implies, they are using bobbin lace to imitate Reticella needle lace.  The
patterns are nothing like this one, they are very
geometric and imitate Reticella.  The book does, however, use tallies in
this exact manner.  As Pierre points out, it has the look of the le Pompe
patterns which we always wonder about since cloth stitch tapes were not
known at that time.  I suspect this is how the pieces were created, but
have never seen any proof.  Unfortunately, this thread looks like revival
era thread, so I am not sure how helpful it is.  But, if they were copying
an old lace directly, it would make a lot of sense.  I have not yet had
time to research this train of study, but it is on my short list.  My
suspicion is that if there are extant pieces, they are likely misidentified
as needle lace.

There is also the overlap that this type of work was done in metal
threads, again in German areas.   I have an individual pattern, but would
need to lay my hands on it if you are interested.  it is in my large stack
of things I am researching, not in a neatly filed place as it should be.
It hits that perhaps exciting/ perhaps annoying but always interesting
bridge where passaments done in other technique overlap and possibly evolve
into bobbin lace.



Kim

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[lace] What is this lace? by Devon

[Jo Ann Eurell]

Devon,
I think it is needle lace.  It's not very complex.  A trade or tourist lace?
Ask Laurie Waters.

Jo Ann

Jo Ann Eurell
Palm Coast, FL
Email: jeure...@hotmail.com

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Re: [lace] What is this lace?

[Pierre Fouché]

Hi Devon

It reminds me of Pattern 21A, Book I of Le Pompe, 1559. The braid in the Le
Pompe example has picots and holes, but the principle of an undulating
floral design worked in a braid, surrounded by straight footside braids
appear stylistically very medieval. Your example's thread is in excellent
condition. You can clearly see that the tally-braid was made with three
pairs. Fascinating! My guess would be that the piece is contemporaneous to
the laces patterned in Le Pompe.

Pierre
Cape Town

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[lace] What is this lace?

[Devon Thein]

I have encountered another unusual piece. In this piece a tape that you
would think would be more easily rendered in cloth stitch is made in the
way of a very long talley. Has anybody seen anything like this? Do you have
any information about where it might have been made? I have posted photos
on http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history

Devon

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[lace] What is it made of? Ivory

[brido11]

Hi Roberta,

Firstly I have written an article "What is it made of"  on Web docs.  It is
pretty detailed.  ( avoid the destructive tests)
https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_matrl.pdf  Find my
name by scrolling then find the article (others know easier ways!!)

I wrote that a long time ago, it is still valid, but what I do is look for a
"Grain" on ivory as opposed to lines and perhaps holes in bone. I could add
look for a proper, nice grain.  Bone marks are crude lines and rough
compared with the nice grain finish and look of ivory. I often use a
magnifying glass.

That will be a good start.  Once you find some real ivory and looked at it
carefully the difference between it and bone will be comparatively easy.

Best guess is to assume that all bobbins are bone... there are but few
exceptions.

I hope that is helpful

Regards
Brian


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[lace] What is the best way to begin making lace

[TESS PARRISH]

Here’s a thought for the too-busy beginner:  read!  A large part of 
learning lace is learning about lace. You don’t have to steep yourself in the 
fashionable laces of the 19th century—there’s a tremendous amount of 
contemporary work being done today, easily found on YouTube, not to mention 
checking books out of your local library.  A great deal of the ‘show and tell’ 
at our lace meetings is sharing what we have found on line or in books, and a 
very valuable lesson for all lacemakers old or new is to try to analyze where 
the threads are going in photos of lace, or the real thing if you have it.
Any craft—woodwork, silversmithing, glass blowing, writing, music—takes 
long hours of practice, and lacemaking is no different.  Sadly, people today 
haven’t been introduced to the long hours of trial and error that were common 
to children of my generation, and grownups just “don’t have the time or 
patience for that.” (How often have you heard that when you were demonstrating?)
Still, there are those of us, sometimes considered “talented” or even a 
bit “odd”, who are driven to use our minds and hands to make lace.  It is up to 
us to us to encourage the seekers and beginners by meeting them where they each 
are and to lead them gently into the world of craftsmanship.
So good hunting to all those with little children or other 
time-consuming obligations. Keep on looking and reading (Arachne is a good 
start) and asking questions.  We are here to help and encourage you to look 
forward to the day when you will have your very own lace corner.  Good luck!  
Tess in wintery Maine—cold, snow, and lots of indoor time for making 
lace!

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Devon Thein]

In my zeal to promote lacemaking, I admit that I did not address the
question of whether you can pick up and put down bobbin lace with this
questioner.
I do agree that it is not the easiest thing to pick up and put down.
In fact, one of the things I like about it is the intense
concentration that you often feel when you are tackling a difficult
pattern, a sort of neurological buzz that you get when you are "in the
zone". Readers of the IOLI Bulletin may recall my article about my
struggle with  lacemaking addiction in which I make lace to excess,
neglecting important tasks. I confess that I seem to be in one of
those states now, especially as the weather is in the single digits. I
find I am starting my morning with a little lacemaking "eye opener"
which often extends into the afternoon. I am now shooting through
recorded books as though there is no tomorrow. In normal times, I
often don't even start because I know I can't stop. So, perhaps it was
wrong of me to encourage a young mother to take it up, or rather not
to discourage her.
Devon

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Anita Hansen]

Other parts of Devon’s meassage have already been addresses.
This part: “Is this hobby something easy to pack away (so my kids can’t

get their hands in it) and something I can pick up and leave as my free time 
permits? I have some experience in crocheting but beginners level.”


Honestly, my answer would be “no”.  Yes, you might be able to pack it up 
and put it away out of reach of 2 toddlers, but is it as easy as packing up 
crochet? No.  But more importantly, if her free time is so very limited and 
sporatic then I seriously question that she has the time to devote to the early 
stages of learning bobbin lace. In my experience a beginner needs to devote a 
fair amount of “consistent” attention to learning lace, and if not you will 
easily find yourself a few weeks later asking “what is a cross?”  Maybe 
after she gets comfortable and familiar with the basics THEN someone might be 
able to “pick up and leave”, but this doesn’t happen with most beginners 
for quite some time. Of course there are always those that pick ut up right 
away, but then she has only “some experience in crocheting at a beginner 
level.” I would suggest that she continue to pursue that hobby as it is more 
easily picked up and put away.


My personal story my first lace class was with Betty Aldeson of Snowgoose 
at a stitching conference. It was on a Saturday outside Chicago. My husband, 
10y daughter and 21mo son came along. While I was in class DH took the kids to 
the zoo. After I got home, I made one more bookmark. As a working mom, 
everything got “packed up and out of the way”. It didn’t come back down 
for 3 years when I found a local community college and the Doris Southard Lace 
guild.  Still was a working mom. Didn’t devote much more time to lace until I 
left my job and my son was in school.  So the reality is, that just because you 
want to make beautiful lace NOW, it doesn’t mean it won”t happen later.   I 
also do understant the desire to find a fulfilling hobby for your prescious 
free time!

Anita Hansen

In cold but sunny Iowa!


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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

As a millennial I will just chime in to say that today’s young people are not 
as divided in taste as perhaps they were in the past. You might be surprised to 
find that many girls like dinosaurs & trucks, and many boys like pink & 
flowers. The easiest way is just to offer everyone the same range of choices 
and let them decide! If you want to attract young people and children to 
lacemaking, which Brooklyn Lace Guild has been successful in doing, an updated 
approach might help. :)

Also I agree with the suggestions of the Bobbin lacemakers Facebook group! 
There are lots of beginners in there, and people to help them.

Hope everyone is staying warm today!
Best,
Elena 

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[lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Ann Humphreys]

The Facebook groups Lacemaking and Bobbin Lacemaking are excellent groups to 
join for beginners and experienced lacemakers. Highly recommended. 
Ann
UK

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RE: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Lorelei Halley]

Many years ago Elizabeth Kurella designed some dinosaur patterns, very simple, 
but just the thing to entice a boy. I don't know if the patterns were ever 
published or where one could find them. I would love to see them readily 
available.
Lorelei

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bobbin lace?

I think the biggest problem is what they are to make, as that usually is 
slanted toward female lace makers.Flowers are not going to work for a boy 
of that age. Thus I think the most difficult bit of this admirable plan is to 
find things in lace that boys would want to make.  

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Anna Binnie]

Does the mother want to learn herself or teach her sons?
As an educator, I feel 2 years is too young to start lace, they need to 
have developed a working memory that allows them to hold quite a bit of 
information and they need good fine motor skills. The four year old may 
be just ready.


Is the mother basically saying I want a hobby how do I start.

If it is the latter question I would say suggest U tube BUT also put her 
in touch with a local group she may just need time out from the 
munchkins or talk to real adults. She may be socially isolated and may 
simply need to get out with people.


Also invite her to arachne as well

Anna in a wet Sydney

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Sue Babbs]

I started to learn lace when my son was 10 months old - so it is possible to 
combine with a young child.  However I hope she has a less absent-minded 
partner than my husband.  He was supposed to be looking after my son while I 
cooked. Instead I heard an interesting pinging sound coming from the dining 
room, where it turned out that my son had discovered that if you pulled each 
bobbin carefully the thread would snap.  He managed to break about 17 
threads before I found out - on the corner of a piece of Bucks lace.  I 
ordered them both out of the house before I did something I'd regret to the 
older one of them!!



Sue

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Devon Thein]

Lyn, I guess I didn't make myself clear. It is the mother who wants to
learn. I mentioned the children because it occurred to me that it
wouldn't be that easy for her to leave the house. Also, I left out
another part of the message. The entire message said, "I have two
young boys. Two and 4 years old. They keep me busy most of the time.
But I’m wanting to start a hobby so bad for the little free time that
I have. Is this hobby something easy to pack away (so my kids can’t
get their hands in it) and something I can pick up and leave as my
free time permits? I have some experience in crocheting but beginners
level. What’s the best way for me to start this hobby? I’d love to
make beautiful lace."

I am not sure what to say about the matter of whether it is easy to
pack away and pick up.
Devon

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[lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Janice Blair]

I taught myself from the Doris Southard book until I found a group about 40
miles away. From there, I found suppliers. This was before I used the Internet
much. Found Arachne which helped.  Nowadays I am on Bobbin Lace Makers on
Facebook and try to help with suggestions for people new to lace.  If they
are in the US, I look in the IOLI handbook to see if I can spot a lacemaker in
their city and if so, suggest they go to the IOLI website to contact the area
rep. I also encourage them too join so they can borrow books and videos just
for postage costs. It is wonderful to see so many new lacemakers online and is
a useful reply to the "Dying Art" response when demonstrating.  That drives
me nuts, especially if we are working with children.

Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, jblace.com

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[lynrbailey]

"My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails."Dear Devon, et al,

I am assuming this mother lives in the US, so we have this situation.  A 
mother, experienced in bobbin lacemaking, with two young sons and she wants 
them to learn bobbin lace.  So, we have a teacher, two young boys, no 
likelihood of nearby schools, and how to teach them.  First of all, she has 
plenty of time to actually teach them, especially the younger, and figure out 
how that is done.  Teaching the basic steps doesn't have many significant 
variations. The 'bandage' is the usual beginning. I think the biggest problem 
is what they are to make, as that usually is slanted toward female lace makers. 
 From my courses preparing me for a teaching certificate in another life, I 
learned that this could be quite important, as around the age of six, children 
are learning about what it is that makes them a boy or a girl.  It's the only 
age when all little girls, virtually, want pink, for example.  Flowers are not 
going to work for a boy of that age.  I am away from my books, so I can'!
 t refer to them except by memory.  I think the best book, off the top of my 
head, is the one made by the Lace Museum in California.  Also the rather 
expensive German looseleaf book designed for teachers of young lacemakers.  
Tapelace can make all sorts of trucks and bulldozers, items usually cherished 
by boys.  I have two sons, I remember.  The other possibility is 3d modern 
lace.  Le Puy en Velay has a school for youngsters, as does Kant Centrum in 
Bruges, and the lace place in Brioude, France.  Writing to them and finding out 
how they teach this could be useful.  I know that one motif used in Bruges for 
teaching youngsters is a half stitch fish in multicolored crochet cotton.  

Thus I think the most difficult bit of this admirable plan is to find things in 
lace that boys would want to make.  

Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, presently in the Arizona desert, 
enjoying sunshine and warmth.  About to break out the shorts.


"My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
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I have received a
>question to the page from a woman who has two young sons, 2 and 4. She
>asks "What is the best way to start this hobby?" ...

>I am now contemplating whether it might be easier in this day and age
>for someone to teach themselves lacemaking than to locate and attend a
>class. As we know, classes are few, meet rarely, and tend to be so
>spread out that distance becomes a problem. I think this might be
>especially the case for a young mother.
>What answer should I give this questioner about the best way to start the 
>hobby?
>Devon
>

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[lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Devon Thein]

As you may know, I am the IOLI facebook editor. I have received a
question to the page from a woman who has two young sons, 2 and 4. She
asks "What is the best way to start this hobby?"
Ordinarily I would say that she should get in touch with a local lace
group that would tell her where lessons are available. My experience,
learning in the 1970s was that I could never have learned from the
books available then. Also, sourcing the materials was very
challenging in pre-internet days. I have not had the experience of
trying to learn bobbin lace recently.
I was quite struck when I put together Lace, not Lace, to see that
many of the younger contributors had taught themselves. One had been a
student at the Maryland Art Institute and taught herself from a
library book. Another, Brooklyn based, had taught herself from
youtubes and books. Penny Nickels, the needle lacer who made the
Jersey Devil had taught herself from books on the University of
Arizona site. It was actually overwhelming to realize that all the
efforts of local groups to give books to libraries, and of Tess and
the Professor to post them on the site had actually borne fruit in the
form of artists learning from these resources.
I am now contemplating whether it might be easier in this day and age
for someone to teach themselves lacemaking than to locate and attend a
class. As we know, classes are few, meet rarely, and tend to be so
spread out that distance becomes a problem. I think this might be
especially the case for a young mother.
What answer should I give this questioner about the best way to start the hobby?
Devon

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Re: [lace] what is the relation between doll collectors and lace enthusiasts

[Devon Thein]

I don't think it was a west coast phenomenon. Originally there was a
group called the Federation of Doll Clubs. in the 1950s, a small
sub-group of them was interested in dressing dolls in the appropriate
style lace for the era of the doll, and they formed a lace study group
within the Doll Clubs, called the Old Lacers. Eventually it broke away
from the Federation of Doll Clubs, becoming the International Old
Lacers, and then eventually the International Organization of Lace.
The character of the group began to change when lacemakers started to
join it because there was no other group that was oriented toward
making lace.  Another connection between doll collectors and
lacemakers is that doll collectors wish to have appropriately sized
lace for doll clothes and doll furnishings. So, in some cases, they
have to make the lace so it is in scale. Yet another concern,
expressed by some, was that doll collectors were cutting up priceless
old handmade lace for the doll clothes, because only the laces from
the early 18th century were of fine enough thread to make them in
scale with dolls. At least one member of the lace community decided to
make an entire book of patterns appropriately sized for dolls and doll
houses to address this perceived threat, so that the doll collectors
could make better lace for their doll houses and wouldn't have to rely
on antiques laces.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi
 wrote:
> Dear Lacers
> As I understand it, there are two streams of enthusiasts that made up the
> American lace making community in the 20th century. On the East Coast there
> were wealthy women who created the Needle and Bobbin Club. But on the West
> Coast, -- am I getting this right? -- the original lace enthusiasts were
> also doll collectors and lace makers spun off from them and established
> their own group?
>
> Does anyone have any more info about this for me?
> Thanks one and all
> Sharon
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[lace] what is the relation between doll collectors and lace enthusiasts

[Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi]

Dear Lacers
As I understand it, there are two streams of enthusiasts that made up the
American lace making community in the 20th century. On the East Coast there
were wealthy women who created the Needle and Bobbin Club. But on the West
Coast, -- am I getting this right? -- the original lace enthusiasts were
also doll collectors and lace makers spun off from them and established
their own group?

Does anyone have any more info about this for me?
Thanks one and all
Sharon

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[lace] What about Nurses?

[mary carey]

Hi All,


I come from a Nursing background and find lots of nurses among fellow
lacemakers - Margaret Stephens of needlelace fame for one.  A certain
preciseness is necessary in the performance of nursing duties.  Lacemaking
takes one out of a stressful zone and allows rejuvenation in mind.


Noticing things, minute changes so as to intervene before a crisis arises
predisposes one to explore different techniques and extend one's field of
knowledge.


Mary Carey

Campbelltown, NSW, Australia

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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Jill Hawkins]

The link provided in my email should be: 
https://cloud.collectorz.com/NELACE/books/view.
If you have problems with the link, please visit the Library page of the
New England Lace Group: www.nelg.us

  On April 25, 2018 at 10:10 AM Jill Hawkins wrote:

  We have a public link on our website to our library:
  https://cloud.collector z.com/NELACE/books/view.

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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Jill Hawkins]

Hi Jeri

The New England Lace Group uses Book Connect from Collectorz.com. This is
an online, web-based software that is very easy to use, and can be
accessed from anywhere. The subscription costs $24.95 per year and
includes regular software updates. Collectorz.com also offers a version
called CLZ Books, which is a one time purchase of $14.95, which includes
many of the same features as Book Connect. There is also Book Collector
which is downloadable software, so access is limited to the computer
where it is downloaded. The one-time cost is $49.95 and software updates
are free for one year.

Book Connect features approx. 40 editable fields, including author,
country, language, dimensions, edition, issue, volume, title, ISBN,
publisher, publication date, number of pages, purchase price,
genres, category, sub-category, description, condition, condition,
current value, purchase date, purchase location. NELG has categorized our
library books by type of lace, instruction books, history,
identification, etc. The catalog can be downloaded and printed and you
can customize which fields appear in the online catalog and printed
catalog. NELG has further identified our books by their location (i.e.
which box they are located in). This helps when someone wants to borrow a
book from our library since several members have several boxes of books
each.

Books can be added by scanning or keying in the ISBN, or the author
and/or title. The system automatically searches for a match. For example,
a search today for Pamela Nottingham returned 20 results. All results
include an image of the cover, the title, author, publisher, publication
date, ISBN, number of pages, dimensions, and subject categories (e.g.
bobbin lace, lace and lacemaking). When you have located the book you
want to add, simply click "Add to Collection", after which you can edit
the record to add additional information. Books can also be added
manually, and a photograph of the cover uploaded. This is very useful for
self-published books or articles that would not have an ISBN.

We have a public link on our website to our library:
https://cloud.collector z.com/NELACE/books/view. The view can be
customized to display different information - for example, if you want to
look at the books by cover, rather than in a list.

There is also the option to manage book loans and create a wish list for
future purchase. NELG has used Book Connect for the past several years
and would highly recommend it.

Jill

in rainy North Branford, CT, USA

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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Lin Hudren]

 I only catalogue my craft books so I have a very easy system that I use
-  more time to make lace.  :-)

It's called 'Book Catalogue' - an app, the Android version on my phone
and tablet.

Shirley T.  -

I, too, use this for my books.  it is a very easy to use application and
you can carry it with you to check if you have a book before buying it at
the store in case it has a new "cover".


Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Tregellas Family]

Hi Jeri,

I only catalogue my craft books so I have a very easy system that I use  
-  more time to make lace.  :-)

It's called 'Book Catalogue' - an app, the Android version on my phone 
and tablet.  It allows one to have various 'bookshelves' and sorting by 
any category  -  Torchon, Beds, Honiton, Sewing, Hardanger, etc., and 
the best part is is that you can scan the book with the camera on your 
device or search the net by typing in the ISBN number.  You then get a 
photo of the book, author, genre, date published, etc.  It is easy to 
carry around and one doesn't need a spreadsheet to read it.  I do have 
it backed up to my portable hard drive at home and use that to refer to 
my shelves when trying to find a book.  I'd be totally lost without it.

Fiction and other books are ordered in categories, then author, on the 
family bookshelves.  My DH has his own system for his electronic/radio 
library.

Cheers,
Shirley T.  -  Autumn has at last arrived with a few mm of the wet stuff 
but it stayed dry this morning for the Dawn Services (in Adelaide) 
around Australia of our ANZAC commemorative events.

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[lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Jeri Ames]

Dear Book Collectors,
 
Please reply directly to me.  Managing a book inventory is probably not a
popular subject for most of our Arachne subscribers and/or users of the digest
form of our mail.


We have written about this topic before.  Technology is rapidly changing, and
I'm seeking the most recent reliable inventory recommendations for two small
regional museums that are focused on womens' history.  They have asked for my
method of keeping an inventory of books, but I am using a 1998 program.  It
is quite obsolete by today's standards.  Given the devices we have seen some
attendees of lace events using, I would like to recommend something  that
will travel well and be safe from spam, etc. and that can also be printed by a
museum's librarian. 
 
At present, I have 4,063 books in my needlework library and sort information
about a book by the following categories, which are arranged in columns that
print across an 11-inch wide sheet of paper.  
 
A count column / AUTHOR / TITLE / PUBLISHER / DATE (of publication) / COST /
TYPE (Lace, Emb, Sew, etc.) / ISBN# / VALUE/YR 
 
I shelve books by TYPE - all about Lace, for example, are in one section of
the room.  Next, they are arranged alphabetically by AUTHOR.  A printed
inventory helps a lot.  Some Authors have written about several Types of
books.  I can see all of them listed together.  There is also the problem of
books being republished under different Titles, sometimes in different
nations.  By sorting them together by Author, I can sometimes avoid buying
duplicates.  The last column is used when I see a book's value rise or
fall.  I enter the new value, and the year of that entry.  If there is space
in the TITLE column, I may add a comment like:  (144 pg. hardback) or
(English/French/German) or (Also see "another title"). 
 
Ir would be nice if one could enter photos of book covers, tables of contents,
etc.  Please indicate if there is a quantity limit.  And, if you have sage
advice about not having to start typing anew in several years, that would be
welcome.  By this, I mean that what one has in an old computer can be
transferred to a new technology. 
 
Please tell about any useful inventory features I may not have mentioned. 
And, what to avoid.
 
My program enables sorting by any category, so if I want to print only LACE
books, it can be done and save paper/ink.
 
Thanks for your assistance.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Pardon, I didn't realize we were specifically discussing contemporary examples. 
I was interested in the overall debate. Of course, lots of lace is made in 
color, I myself enjoy making bobbin and needle lace in color as well - although 
I love white too! I love it all, honestly, no matter what one wants to call it. 
:)

Best,
Elena

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?

[Catherine Barley]

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Subject : Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?


In a recent viewing of 17th century English embroidery, I noted that some of 
the stitches used to fill in backgrounds behind raised work resembled Hollie 
Point, but in color. But we would not call that lace. Raised work itself is 
obviously a very close relative of needle work, with the difference sometimes 
seeming to only be the use of white vs color. 
I’ve also been researching early English lace as you all know, and it seems 
like most early references to needle lace lump it in with embroidery, whereas 
“lace” alone denotes bobbin lace, but not in all cases. 

So how do we distinguish? A truly perplexing question indeed.


The only difference is not just the use of white v colour as there are plenty 
of bobbin lacemakers who work mainly in colour - Jane Atkinson for one.  There 
are also many needlelace workers who work only in colour and whose names have 
been brought to my attention here in these discussions on the subject.  The 
difference is that if the needlelace stitches are worked onto a background 
fabric, it is embroidery but if it can stand alone without the need of a 
background fabric to support it, it is needle 'lace' in the true sense of the 
word.  Please don't complicate matters by thinking that a piece of needlelace 
that has been worked in the traditionally accepted manner before mounting onto 
a background fabric and then put into a frame, is embroidery - it is not, 
because it can stand alone and one can see through it, it does not need a 
background fabric because it is lace that was not worked onto a background 
fabric of any description..  Also these EARLY references do lump it into!
  embroidery but we're discussing the 21st century needlelaces, not the 17th 
century use of it.  Alencon and all of the other traditional needlelaces, which 
are not 21st century inventions are without any doubt whatsoever needlelace and 
will not be found lumped in with embroidery if  searched for using the words  
'Alencon Needlelace' but the word 'Needlelace' alone, clearly does.  

Catherine Barley

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catheinebarley.com

Catherine Barley

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com 

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

You bring up a really thought-provoking question, Devon, what DO bobbin and 
needle lace have in common??

When I talk to the uninitiated, I usually describe lace as “an umbrella term 
that covers myriad techniques that vary across regions and history.” But while 
bobbin lace is decidedly only lace, needle lace overlaps with embroidery in a 
way that complicates things.

In a recent viewing of 17th century English embroidery, I noted that some of 
the stitches used to fill in backgrounds behind raised work resembled Hollie 
Point, but in color. But we would not call that lace. Raised work itself is 
obviously a very close relative of needle work, with the difference sometimes 
seeming to only be the use of white vs color. 
I’ve also been researching early English lace as you all know, and it seems 
like most early references to needle lace lump it in with embroidery, whereas 
“lace” alone denotes bobbin lace, but not in all cases. 

So how do we distinguish? A truly perplexing question indeed.

Best,
Elena 

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[lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?

[DevonThein]

I received this privately, “You asked if bobbin and needle lace had anything
in common, once the original look-alike aspect had diminished?  Thinking
about this, I thought I’d consult Jack Lenor Larsen’s ‘Interlaced’, as
an accepted authority, but of course needlelace doesn’t figure in that at
all.  Whereas bobbin lace is the most complex of all the interlacings (which
include knotting and weaving, basketry etc), needle lace is an entirely
different process.  It’s embroidery.

Both incorporate space/air; how much or how little, is up to the
practitioner.  The further away from each other the threads are, the thicker
they have to be to re-connect visually; Ros used quite fine ones, so chose to
put them close together for the colour to sing.  It’s a very interesting
subject all of its own.”

This commenter says needle lace is embroidery, and I am observing that the
needle lace books of the 1970s seemed to be making the leap off of fabric, but
still retaining a very “embroiderly” look to them. But, interestingly,
Milton Sonday, when he put on his notable show in 1982 called “Lace”,
observed that “Needle-made lace is based on one of the oldest and most
universal techniques: looping.”

I think that you can probably find looping in textiles and baskets produced by
stone age people. Perhaps looping even predates embroidery.

Devon



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RE: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?/Needlelacerevival

[N.A. Neff]

Yes, that's part of what I meant by "historically important". The other
aspect was their political economic importance in international commerce
and domestically with sumptuary laws and prohibitions on foreign lace, etc.

Nancy
Connecticut,  USA

On Apr 1, 2018 11:31, "DevonThein"  wrote:

Another similarity that my husband pointed out was that they were both part
of a huge commercial industry with many, many people producing lace
exclusively for sale.

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RE: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?/Needlelacerevival

[DevonThein]

Nancy writes: But needle lace and bobbin lace deserve to be treated together,
in a show such as yours for example, because of the first point above, and
because they are functionally similar enough (in spite of fundamental
structural differences) that they can be combined harmoniously (Duchesse with
Point de Gaze inserts, for a historical example).

Another similarity that my husband pointed out was that they were both part of
a huge commercial industry with many, many people producing lace exclusively
for sale.

Devon

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?/Needlelace revival

[N.A. Neff]

Devon,

I propose that they are the two major forms of handmade, historically
important lace, forms with which the general public is not familiar and
doesn't know how to make, even in very general terms. Other than that, I
agree with the implication of your question -- they don't share anything
except what they share by virtue of being forms of lace.

But needle lace and bobbin lace deserve to be treated together, in a show
such as yours for example, because of the first point above, and because
they are functionally similar enough (in spite of fundamental structural
differences) that they can be combined harmoniously (Duchesse with Point de
Gaze inserts, for a historical example).

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Mar 31, 2018 13:43, "DevonThein" wrote:

... Now I have the intellectual problem that the only thing that bobbin and
needle
lace had in common were that they were once made in white and looked very
similar at that time, converging ...  Now that they are
not made in white, what do they have in common?

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[lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?/Needlelace revival

[DevonThein]

Catherine asks< Is there anyone out there who makes/teaches fine white
traditional needlelace?>
Carolyn Wetzel and Laurie Waters are both traditionalists. Although I do not
teach, I have spent an inordinate amount of time looking at old laces and
admiring them. I love Catherine’s books and have recommended them widely.
But, it is an interesting question. From the need to qualify Needlelace with
the term “fine white traditional” would I be correct in assuming that the
use of color is no longer controversial and that colored pieces worked in
buttonhole stitch are now considered lace?
I think that in the 1960s and 1970s the use of color was revolutionary and
shocking, often calling for condemnation from the “lace police”. I sense
it is no longer the case. Color is really mainstream. But, this is part of the
problem that I am encountering when I try to explain what lace is to the
public. I present all these works such as Ros Hills and Wako Ono, and there is
nothing in them to signal “lace” to the public. One is a form of weaving,
and one is marginally an embroidery technique.
I have tried to concentrate the show on bobbin and needle lace because I think
that these techniques are not well-known, and need to be introduced to the
public. Crochet, tatting, macramé, lace knitting, etc. are better known and
need no introduction.

Now I have the intellectual problem that the only thing that bobbin and needle
lace had in common were that they were once made in white and looked very
similar at that time, converging in appearance due to the demand for white
luxury neckwear that existed in the 17th and 18th century.  Now that they are
not made in white, what do they have in common?

Devon

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[lace] What has happened to Lacy Susan?

[Susan]

Hello All!  Does anyone know how to reach Trudy?  There has been no reply to my 
order or email.  The link to her website from IOLI doesn't seem to be working 
either.  It would be awful if we have lost another lacemaking friend & vendor.  
Hope this is just a temporary glitch.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA. 

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Ilske Thomsen]

Devon, 
after my knowledge what you describe is named Point de Venice à relief.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Carolina de la Guardia]

Devon, I understand that Point of Venice would be a an appropriate term, as
a generic term.


Yesterday I was reading from the ipad so I could not access easily to the
information. Now from my desktop here there are other links:

Gros Point of Venice 17th. cent
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=2

Point Plat of Venice  20th. cent.
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=175

Point of Venice
http://www.museodelmerletto.it/001-Merletti-Italiani/001-Venezia-e-Burano/007-punto_venezia.html

This is a Point of Venice slightly raised, dated about 17th. cent.
http://chambredescouleurs.france-i.com/8542

Regards from Barcelona.


Carolina de la Guardia
http://www.carolgallego.com

2017-03-02 14:17 GMT+01:00 :

>  But as this piece is dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de
> Venise be appropriate? Is Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a
> date as well?
>
> A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual
> lace, would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
>
> Devon
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RE: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[devonthein]

Carolina and Jean are suggesting that Point Plat is the correct term. Gon says
that she would call it Point de Venise a relief, “because there is a small
relief around the motives. In the Point de Venise Plat there is no relief at
all.”
Gon echoes a feeling that I have about it. I think of Point Plat as a rather
rare lace. The lack of a finished edge around the motifs is very noticeable.
In fact, it may be rather hard to achieve. But in this piece There is a
buttonholed relief around the edges of the motifs. The relief around the
motifs seems more like what you would see in what I would call Point de Venise
such as was being made in the late 19th early 20th century for table linens.
As such this structure is a very common one, not rare. But as this piece is
dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de Venise be appropriate? Is
Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a date as well?
A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual lace,
would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
Devon

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Gon Homburg]

Hello Devon,

I think you get all kind of possibilities. I would call it Point de Venise à 
relief, because there is a small relief around the motives. In the Point de 
Venise plat there is no relief at all. Of course the reliefs in the Point de 
Venise a gros relief the reliefs around the motive are really thick.


Gon Homburg in a windy and rainy Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 2 mrt. 2017, om 12:03 heeft Jean Leader  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:46, devonth...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
>> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.
> 
> Devon,
> 
> I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
> https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html
> 
> Jean in sunny Glasgow
> 
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> www.jeanleader.net
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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Jean Leader]

On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:46, devonth...@gmail.com wrote:

>  If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.

Devon,

I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html

Jean in sunny Glasgow

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[cadega2]

I understand that it is which in Italian is called "punto piatto de Venice",
it could be translated as Flat Point of Venice.
Museo Arnold Caprai, has some illustrating examples and could be seen the
differences between Gros Point and Flat Point.
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_ricerca.php?epoca==1=1
7=6

Greetings from Barcelona

Carolina de la Guardia


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http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/212424?sortBy=Relevanceft
> =79.1.218offset=0rpp=20pos=1
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[lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[devonthein]

For something to be called gros point is it necessary that it have raised and
embellished edges? For instance,  79.1.218, a pall cover, has gros point
shaped pieces, and diaper pattern fillings but the edges of the motifs have
only a minimal cordonet. If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
what would you be searching if you were looking for it.

http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/212424?sortBy=Relevanceft
=79.1.218offset=0rpp=20pos=1

Devon

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[lace] What if - Little Lace Event

[Lin Hudren]

so sorry that i didn't include my email address to get this going.  was on
that rainbow.  might still be sailing.  just send me your info (snail mail
address, any preferences, email) to linhud...@gmail.com.  i will create a
spreadsheet and give you a partner who loves to play too.  wonder how many
ideas we will get to see.  i might be able to make that duck i have coveted
for years.  i love mallards and my dog is named Mali for one.  she has a
tough life.  fortunately, she only knows the sound.  LOL

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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[lace] What if

[Lin Hudren]

well, seems to be an interest.  want to make that butterfly, lady bug,
bumble bee, daisy?  that little motif that appealed to you but no where to
send?  let's play.

send me your name, snail mail address, email address and let's get
something happening.  we will send off our fun to another who loves to play
too.  lots of time.  i guess i should make this a bit formal.

do you think signing up from July 21 to July 31 would work?  we can lace
until October 15-30 and mail off on October 30?  good for spiders or
pumpkins (gremlins???).  Gosh how many fun things can we think up?  my
creative juices are flowing.  i had best check with Jenny to see if she
will display our fun and creativity.  she is so good about showing us what
we do.

waiting to hear from you.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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[lace] What if?

[Lin Hudren]

Who wants to join a "what if" event?  my pillow is lonesome.  what can i
make and send off to a new home?  is there a pumpkin i think i would like
to create but have no one to share it with?  maybe that shamrock that
calls?  maybe that heart given with love?  what about that rainbow?  what
have you seen that you would enjoy making but don't have a place to gift
it?  let's play.  maybe we can get Jenny to share on her web pages.

we are all so talented and have time to create and gift.  does anyone want
to play?  join in to me and i will host a fun time at linhud...@gmail.com.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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Re: [lace] What size thread?

[Brenda Paternoster]

It’s Honition so  you need a very fine thread, but Honition more than other
laces is fairly flexible in the thickness of thread used because if it starts
looking thin you add another pair, if it starts looking overcrowded you take a
pair out.

If you are thinking of it more as a Milanese piece try to measure the
(average) spaces between the pins and refer to the chart ao
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/threadsize/threadsize.html


Brenda


> On 5 Nov 2015, at 13:50, Witchy Woman  wrote:
>
> Never found the source of the bobbin lace angel on TatMan's blog, so I
drafted
> out the pattern and would like to start to wind bobbins.   But the question
> is,  what size thread?
>
>
> I drafted it at the same size as the picture on
> http://tat-man.net/blog/?p=1210 .
Approximately 3 inches tall.
>
>
> I changed it
> slightly into more of a tape lace once you get past the head.  Using half
> stitch and cloth stitch for  the head and face,  and Hinojosa kernel stitch
> for the headband.  Will probably use Hinojosa or Milanese braids for the
body
> and wings.  Figuring those out now.

Brenda in Allhallows
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[lace] What size thread?

[Witchy Woman]

Never found the source of the bobbin lace angel on TatMan's blog, so I drafted
out the pattern and would like to start to wind bobbins.   But the question
is,  what size thread?


I drafted it at the same size as the picture on
http://tat-man.net/blog/?p=1210. Approximately 3 inches tall.


I changed it
slightly into more of a tape lace once you get past the head.  Using half
stitch and cloth stitch for  the head and face,  and Hinojosa kernel stitch
for the headband.  Will probably use Hinojosa or Milanese braids for the body
and wings.  Figuring those out now.


Any ideas?


Peg

In a very balmy Indian
summer Cleveland Ohio 


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Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace

[Brenda Paternoster]

In the board scheme of things any textile constructed with decorative holes is
lace, but if there are specific sub-categories  then I would say that hairpin
crochet should be in the crochet class - and similarly a Shetland lace shawl
would be in the knitting class etc.

If the work is good and it’s compared to things like crochet afghan blankets
etc then it’s probably to the advantage of the hairpin piece.

> On 5 Sep 2015, at 03:57, c...@fastmail.us wrote:
>
> She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace
> should be in the Lace or Crochet Category.  I'm at a loss since I would
> consider it crocheted, but there are other "lacy" crochet designs that I
> have seen. Plus all the Knitted Lace.  I am searching for an opinion
> here.

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RE: [lace] What media constitues Lace

[Lorri Ferguson]

At the fair where I work, the Washington State Fair,  if the piece is done
with yarn it goes in the Crochet Class and if it is done with finer thread
then it goes in the Crochet/Lace class.  The same is true of larger yarn
Knitting -it goes in the Knitting Class, but if it is done with fine 'lace
yarn' or thread it goes in the Knit/Lace class.
Hope this helps, if you need further info (like the classes used at the Wash.
State Fair) just let me know.
Lorri

> Subject: Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace
> From: paternos...@appleshack.com
> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 08:51:56 +0100
> CC: lace@arachne.com
> To: c...@fastmail.us
>
> In the board scheme of things any textile constructed with decorative holes
is
> lace, but if there are specific sub-categories  then I would say that
hairpin
> crochet should be in the crochet class - and similarly a Shetland lace
shawl
> would be in the knitting class etc.
>
> If the work is good and it’s compared to things like crochet afghan
blankets
> etc then it’s probably to the advantage of the hairpin piece.
>
> > On 5 Sep 2015, at 03:57, c...@fastmail.us wrote:
> >
> > She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace
> > should be in the Lace or Crochet Category.  I'm at a loss since I would
> > consider it crocheted, but there are other "lacy" crochet designs that I
> > have seen. Plus all the Knitted Lace.  I am searching for an opinion
> > here.
>
> Brenda in Allhallows
> paternos...@appleshack.com
> www.brendapaternoster.co.uk
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Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace

[Anna Binnie]

Hairpin crochet is crochet since it can be done with fine thread say 
forming a handkerchief edge or it can be done in thick yarn to form a 
sweater or cardigan. It is the same technique and out in OZ it has 
always been classed as a separate crochet technique.


Anna from a cloudy Sydney where it is supposed to be Spring!

On 6/09/15 4:46 AM, Lorri Ferguson wrote:

At the fair where I work, the Washington State Fair,  if the piece is done
with yarn it goes in the Crochet Class and if it is done with finer thread
then it goes in the Crochet/Lace class.  The same is true of larger yarn
Knitting -it goes in the Knitting Class, but if it is done with fine 'lace
yarn' or thread it goes in the Knit/Lace class.
Hope this helps, if you need further info (like the classes used at the Wash.
State Fair) just let me know.
Lorri


Subject: Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace
From: paternos...@appleshack.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 08:51:56 +0100
CC: lace@arachne.com
To: c...@fastmail.us

In the board scheme of things any textile constructed with decorative holes

is

lace, but if there are specific sub-categories  then I would say that

hairpin

crochet should be in the crochet class - and similarly a Shetland lace

shawl

would be in the knitting class etc.

If the work is good and it’s compared to things like crochet afghan

blankets

etc then it’s probably to the advantage of the hairpin piece.


On 5 Sep 2015, at 03:57, c...@fastmail.us wrote:

She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace
should be in the Lace or Crochet Category.  I'm at a loss since I would
consider it crocheted, but there are other "lacy" crochet designs that I
have seen. Plus all the Knitted Lace.  I am searching for an opinion
here.


Brenda in Allhallows
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[lace] What media constitues Lace

[cec]

I just received a phone call from a lady that organizes the categories
in her state fair.  She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace
should be in the Lace or Crochet Category.  I'm at a loss since I would
consider it crocheted, but there are other "lacy" crochet designs that I
have seen. Plus all the Knitted Lace.  I am searching for an opinion
here.
Cindy in VA were it is still way to hot. (92F today)

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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Brenda Paternoster]

The images I see after typing Vectorised lace into Google look like computer
versions of hand drawn lace.  Not photographic images of lace (hand or
machine) and not prickings/[atterns for making lace.  In many ways they remind
me of the Johann Hrdlicka design book reproduced by the Lace Guild some years
ago.


 On 6 Mar 2015, at 16:21, Maureen maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk wrote:



 Typed Vectorised lace pattern in Internet it came up with lots of images of
Vector lace patterns and listed them as Vector seamless lace patterns. Looks a
bit like machine made Lace.  Be interested to hear what anyone else thinks.

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[lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Dmt11home]

I have been asked what a vectorized lace pattern is. I have no  idea what 
it is. Does anyone know?
Devon

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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Maureen]

Hi

Typed Vectorised lace pattern in Internet it came up with lots of images of 
Vector lace patterns and listed them as Vector seamless lace patterns.  Looks a 
bit like machine made Lace.  Be interested to hear what anyone else thinks.

Maureen
E Yorks UK 

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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Amanda Babcock Furrow]

Vectorized doesn't refer to the lace or to the pattern.  It refers to 
the computer image.

Any lace pattern you scan in can be converted to a vectorized image.
A vectorized image is one that is saved in the computer as a set of
drawing instructions - lines and arcs and such - instead of a set of 
pixels.  That way it can be resized arbitrarily big without ever becoming
blurry.

The search results for vectorized lace pattern mostly bring up stock
photo sites, because people paying for stock images care whether they
are vectorized or not.  If the results look like machine lace, that reflects
the preferences of the stock image buying and selling crowd :)

Amanda in Philly

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 it is. Does anyone know?
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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Maureen]

Thank you, I thought my search was too simple.

Maureen
E Yorks

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[lace] What Christmas lace are you making?

[Celtic Dream Weaver]

 I have done a angel designed by Brigget Bellon. I have also painted some
Santa Claus bobbins. I have them listed on ebay and will be putting more on
ebay as time goes by. I also put a picture of them up on my blog. I am trying
to decide what I want to paint next.   Let us see what you are working on
...give us a URL and let us look. We want to see your lace...don't be shy
now.Wind To Thy Wings,SherryNew York, US of
Americacelticdreamweave@yahoo.comhttp://celticdreamweaver.com/http://celticdr
eamweave.blogspot.com/Nata 616

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Re: [lace] What bobbins shall i buy?

[Karen ZM]

Brian - in the case of Maltese, and probably also Spanish lace, we would
not dream of using spangled bobbins. Our traditional pillows are upright.
In Malta we have a bolster type pillow that it wider at the top. The
Spanish use a similar pillow which is then flat at the back (I prefer it
because it doesn't roll against the table as ours often do).
In days gone by, there would be bobbins of different sizes to compensate
for the thickness of the thread, but spangles would definitely hinder our
methods of working and slow us down tremendously, although we do not have
swings in traditional Maltese lace.
Another reason is the way we work. With spangled bobbins on a flat pillow,
one would tend to 'lift and place' the bobbins, whereas we tend to
'flick' them from hand to hand, palms down. The Italians who work Cantu and
in Idrija, they tend to work palms up and also have lots and lots of
sewings, so spangles would hinder them.
So, in my case, my spangled bobbins are mainly prized for display in my
showcase :-)
Karen in Malta

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[lace] What bobbins shall i buy?

[Brian Lemin]

I have been fascinated by this thread, of course not as a lace maker but a
bobbin historian.

My comments are totally subjective and I have not done any analysis of the
correspondence, but some of the comments and advice related to spangles/
continental style bobbins /shape of pillows, and the such like.

Many years ago this list helped me put together some thoughts on spangles,
thread, pillows etc, since then i have from time to time looked at the issue
of spangling.  To “me” the evidence seems to be that the change over to
spangles, for what ever reason occurred  around the early 1800s.  There seems
to be a period of changeover, where you can clearly see that makers made
bobbins both spangled and un-spangled.

I was amazed to see a few comments on makers using continental bobbins as
spangles did not seem to help their style of work or type of pillow.  Excuse
my ignorance but the issue of thread, which would have been relevant in the
early 1800s, probably does not exist now(?).

My own local friend, a maker of square shaft bobbins has a very good trade in
these... not a spangle in sight!

In the past, I have made the totally subjective statement that the spangling
of bobbins was as much for reasons of prettiness, fancy and fashion, as much
as it was for practical reasons.

I am just wondering if, like so many things in this world, things come around
in cycles?

Will we ever see the demise of spangles?

Will continental style bobbins ever return to England?

From the correspondence, the lace circle could possibly be in a turmoil,
however, I am of the opinion that what you like, and suits your style does
very well indeed.

Please do not stick pins in my effigy, I am just chatting on.  Remember, you
are the experts, I am just a hanger–on.

Just a more serious note that i am still, tracking an even earlier dated
bobbin than the Salisbury museum bobbin.  Even last night I had a 1763 dated
bobbin picture sent to me... old but a long way to go to be the oldest.

Enjoy your beautiful skills.

Brian

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[lace] What style of bobbins?

[Tess Parrish]

I use continental bobbins.  When I first started making lace (can it really be 
thirty years ago?) my bobbins rolled, too.  I found that if I put a terry cloth 
wash cloth or small towel underneath them it helped.  But the real trick is to 
keep the pillow flat.  It is the slope, so commonly used with beaded bobbins, 
that is the problem.  For me, anyway.  I use completely flat block pillows and 
never have a rolling bobbin. Also, I flick my bobbins as I work, which I can't 
seem to do with the beaded bobbins.

Concerning the mail problems, which really sound quite dreadful, I hope those 
who lose their mail can find the solution soon.  I use my iPad, MacBook Pro, 
AOL, Safari, and have all outgoing mail copied to myself when I send it out, 
and have never had the troubles afflicting so many.  I wonder if knowing this 
will help solve the trouble: I hope so.  Good luck!

Tess (tess1...@aol.com) happy in summertime Maine USA, where the weather is 
gorgeous!

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[lace] What style of bobbins to buy?

[hottleco]

Hello All!  I'm going to take a stab at answering Jeri's question  my answer 
is geared toward beginners.  First--consider borrowing bobbins from a 
lacemaking friend.  Easier said than done, but you won't know unless you ask.  
Second--it won't matter what style bobbin you buy if you only buy a few!  
Resist the impulse to acquire gobs of bobbins because they are less expensive 
in bulk.  When I started, the bobbin seller said to pick the ones that felt 
right in my hands.  When you are not experienced, they all feel the same!  
It's hard to know until you've made several patterns, by which time you have 
used bobbins.  It's easier to sell/give a few bobbins to your friends if you 
find they aren't right for you after the fact.  Third--beware the creative bias 
of fellow lacemakers or bobbin sellers.  Their favorite bobbin won't 
necessarily be yours.  Been there, done that.  Fourth--to roll or not to roll, 
that is the question.  My bobbin vendor emphasized rolling bobbins, proba!
 bly because they work best for the type of lace she makes.  When you find a 
favorite lace style, that may well determine one or more appropriate bobbin 
styles.  Fifth--your lace taste/sensibilities will change over time.  Your 
arthritis may flare up when you least expect.  Or you end up out of sync  out 
of style where your favorite lace/favorite bobbins go the way of your favorite 
pair of bellbottoms!  Sixth--with all due respect to Continentals, Midlands or 
other fancy bobbins create the biggest stir at a lace demo event.  They are 
like magnets in a crowd!  Consider owning a few as an investment in advertising 
your art on your demo pillow.  May I also add that I am grateful to Clay for 
hosting a Garage Sale table at Lace At Sweet Briar.  It has given me a chance 
to divest myself of bobbins  other lacemaking equipment that I will never use 
again at a fair price.  Hope this helps anyone with bobbin procurement issues!  
Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA

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Re: [lace] What style of bobbins to buy?

[Joke Sinclair]

Dear all, 
If you don't know what bobbins to go for, buy the bobbins you love the look of. 
I was used to continental bobbins, but I loved the look of the spangled Midland 
bobbins. So I bought 10 pairs and spangled them myself. When I first used them 
I thought I made the biggest mistake, I didn't like working with them.  Now I'm 
used to both of them. 

Joke in Glasgow enjoying the Commonwealth Games

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 On 29 Jul 2014, at 18:42, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:
 
 Hello All!  I'm going to take a stab at answering Jeri's question  my answer 
 is geared toward beginners.  First--consider borrowing bobbins from a 
 lacemaking friend.  Easier said than done, but you won't know unless you ask. 
  Second--it won't matter what style bobbin you buy if you only buy a few!  
 Resist the impulse to acquire gobs of bobbins because they are less expensive 
 in bulk.  When I started, the bobbin seller said to pick the ones that felt 
 right in my hands.  When you are not experienced, they all feel the same!  
 It's hard to know until you've made several patterns, by which time you have 
 used bobbins.  It's easier to sell/give a few bobbins to your friends if 
 you find they aren't right for you after the fact.  Third--beware the 
 creative bias of fellow lacemakers or bobbin sellers.  Their favorite bobbin 
 won't necessarily be yours.  Been there, done that.  Fourth--to roll or not 
 to roll, that is the question.  My bobbin vendor emphasized rolling bobbins, 
 pro!
 ba!
 bly because they work best for the type of lace she makes.  When you find a 
 favorite lace style, that may well determine one or more appropriate bobbin 
 styles.  Fifth--your lace taste/sensibilities will change over time.  Your 
 arthritis may flare up when you least expect.  Or you end up out of sync  
 out of style where your favorite lace/favorite bobbins go the way of your 
 favorite pair of bellbottoms!  Sixth--with all due respect to Continentals, 
 Midlands or other fancy bobbins create the biggest stir at a lace demo 
 event.  They are like magnets in a crowd!  Consider owning a few as an 
 investment in advertising your art on your demo pillow.  May I also add that 
 I am grateful to Clay for hosting a Garage Sale table at Lace At Sweet Briar. 
  It has given me a chance to divest myself of bobbins  other lacemaking 
 equipment that I will never use again at a fair price.  Hope this helps 
 anyone with bobbin procurement issues!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA
 
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[lace] What Style of Bobbins to Buy?

[Jeriames]

It is so quiet, that I thought to post a comment from the late Elaine  
Merritt; found by searching Elaine Merritt, lace expert.   It may also  be in 
our archives, but I found it on Kenn Van-Dieren's site.  This came to  mind 
because of the lace maker who recently asked what bobbins to  buy.
 
Regarding bobbin shapes, I love to collect Midlands bobbins, but there is  
no doubt in my mind that a lacemaker who is working for her living will be 
able  to make lace faster using continental bobbins which are all the same 
size and  weight.  I think the varying shapes of continental bobbins have 
been  determined by the type of lace being made, the thickness of the thread, 
the  shape of the pillow and therefore the way the bobbins are handled.  The  
varying Belgian shapes, differing as they do for Rosaline, Duchesse, 
Bloemwerk,  Michelin, etc. are examples of this.   Elaine Merritt 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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Re: [lace] What Style of Bobbins to Buy?

[lynrbailey]

Dear Jeri, et al,
I agree with Elaine Merritt and add the fact that you can get basic continental 
bobbins for $1 per.  The only real drawback is that some people complain that 
they roll.  Then, enter the square bobbin, although I don't really think that 
is necessary.  Midlands bobbins are incredibly beautiful, but if the purpose of 
bobbin lacemaking is to make lace, and not to use Midlands bobbins, the 
continentals win.  In my opinion.  And it is certainly a matter of opinion. 
Since I use continentals exclusively, I can say nothing on the speed of 
lacemaking. 

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the weather has been unseasonably 
pleasant for this time of year. Not too hot, little rain, been going on for 
weeks.  OK, I was away for the heat wave, but still, only one real heat wave,  
Remarkable. 


Via Jeri, Elaine Merritt wrote:
Regarding bobbin shapes, I love to collect Midlands bobbins, but there is  
no doubt in my mind that a lacemaker who is working for her living will be 
able  to make lace faster using continental bobbins which are all the same 
size and  weight.  I think the varying shapes of continental bobbins have 
been  determined by the type of lace being made, the thickness of the thread, 
the  shape of the pillow and therefore the way the bobbins are handled.  The  
varying Belgian shapes, differing as they do for Rosaline, Duchesse, 
Bloemwerk,  Michelin, etc. are examples of this.   Elaine Merritt 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
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[lace] What is an Antique in the U.S.

[Jeriames]

In answer to Jean:  We've written about this before, and I'm not going  to 
the government for a definition, because Arachne archives are full of  memos 
on the subject.
 
Every time I've checked, Antiques were defined as being items over 100  
years of age.  Americans come across this when we travel abroad.   We must 
declare all purchases at Customs upon return to the U.S.   We do not pay duty 
(import) taxes on bona fide Antiques and  several other items, such as Books.  
When we shop abroad, we get  documentation from shop keepers for items that 
are not subject to duty  taxes.  We carry these items in suitcases that can 
be easily opened for  inspection.
 
In the really serious high-dollar Antiques world, dealers and  auctioneers 
would be aghast that something newer would be called an  Antique.  They know 
it would be grounds for legal action.  I base  this on regularly attending 
Antiques shows and auctions, and  on reading Antiques Magazine and the 
monthly newspaper Maine Antique Digest  -- both respected for reporting on 
Antique news from around the world,  including the U.K.
 
What is happening is that people who are not licensed or regulated by the  
government are making claims on Ebay and other sites that are not  correct.  
We are getting descriptions of Antique, Vintage,  Collectible, etc. for 
just about anything.  
 
Probably someone is selling 2014 Winter Olympics items from Sochi as  
Antiques, and getting away with it!  That does not mean that the definition  of 
an Antique has changed.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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[lace] What is an antique in the U.S.

[Jean Nathan]

I'm going by the American editions of the Antiques Road Show that have been
shown in the UK, which of course is the only way we can judge what's
considered an antique in the US. Obviously the experts on that programme
have been lax in their definition of an antique.

Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[J D Hammett]

Hi Clay and fellow Arachnids,

You are much admired Clay for taking on such a difficult piece. If it is the 
lace I think it is the diagram may run to 4 pages, this is a  piece of 
Binche lace is VERY fine and intricate. I saw a series of ten or twelve 
pieces like this in Brugge a few years back. They were beautiful! I am not 
surprised you chose to do one (or more) of these. Your other piece of Binche 
is 'other-worldy'. As beautiful as the antique piece of Fairy-Binche I have 
in my collection (4 inches (10 cm) diam.


Joepie, East Sussex, UK


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From: Clay Blackwell



This isn't the biggest piece of lace I've ever worked, but it is right
up there with the hardest!! .
..The piece is The Jerusalem Church, which is part of the Lieflijk
Brugge folio of designs by the Kantcentrum Masterclass...
.. I have reached the bottom of
the second page of the diagram, and will be especially happy when I have
finished working the tree on the left...

The link to FLICKR is  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/with/11970822886/ 

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Clay Blackwell]

Thank you, Jopie!  Yes, I suspect you are thinking of the right pieces of lace! 
 I worked another piece in the group last year, and a photo is also in my 
Flickr set.  The diagram is printed on a large (A) sheet of paper which, when 
folded, is A-4.  In spite of the large size of the paper, it still requires 
both sides to print the entire diagram!  This is true for all of the designs is 
Lieflijk Brugge.   I chose to make working copies of the diagram, and it 
takes three ledger-size pages to get it all!  By the time I've finished the 
project, those three pages are worn out!

Clay


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 On Jan 16, 2014, at 5:21 AM, J D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com wrote:
  If it is the lace I think it is the diagram may run to 4 pages, this is a  
 piece of Binche lace is VERY fine and intricate. I saw a series of ten or 
 twelve pieces like this in Brugge a few years back. They were beautiful! I am 
 not surprised you chose to do one (or more) of these. Your other piece of 
 Binche is 'other-worldy'. As beautiful as the antique piece of Fairy-Binche I 
 have in my collection (4 inches (10 cm) diam.
 
 Joepie, East Sussex, UK
 
 

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RE: FW: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Gray, Alison J]

That's a really sweet thought, Jeri, trouble is her birthday is on February
13!  I was thinking that if I do retire before my colleague I will make
something for my other 3 co-workers.  They won't know how much work goes into
each piece.

Alison


Dear Allison,  I was admiring your lace bunnies two days ago!  If you retire
before your colleague, how about giving her a completely unexpected (between
two friends) Valentine's Day gift?   Regards, Jeri
-

For me it would be the Bucks Point bunnies that I made from a pattern by
Bridget Cook, there is a picture of it as it came off the pillow on Flickr.  I
made it with minimum experience in Bucks Point for a colleague at work who was
due to retire last year. It took me about 15 months, doing two versions, the
first one on a larger scale.  My colleague keeps changing her mind about
retiring and at the rate she keeps changing her mind I might be retiring
before her!

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Ilske Thomsen]

Hello Sof,
when I saw the topic above in the discussion I thought immediately on you and 
your doll as you introduced it to me before the OIDFA congress in Caen. And 
when we meet there I told you that I don't think the tour Eiffel is a doll, do 
you remember ;-)))
But it's a big  and lovely work. Once more congratulation.

I am still thinking what mine was or is? My dress or my other piece of clothing 
which was very unhandy to work. Sorry folks I can't let you see what I am 
writing of before end of april.

Ilske

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[lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Clay Blackwell]

This isn't the biggest piece of lace I've ever worked, but it is right 
up there with the hardest!!  I made a major mistake or two back in 
October, and pretty much walked away.  But having gotten the Brochures 
for Lace at Sweet Briar in the mail, I was inspired to get back to 
work on this piece.


The wonderful news is that I have sorted out the problems, and am now 
back on track!!  I feel like I've recovered from a long, dreadful 
disease and am now whole again!!


The piece is The Jerusalem Church, which is part of the Lieflijk 
Brugge folio of designs by the Kantcentrum Masterclass.  I have 
uploaded a couple of pictures to the Flickr website so you can see how 
huge the diagram is (don't worry, I don't think anyone would be able to 
print a usable copy from this picture!!  I have reached the bottom of 
the second page of the diagram, and will be especially happy when I have 
finished working the tree on the left...


The link to FLICKR is   
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/with/11970822886/ 


Clay

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Sue Babbs]

We look forward to seeing it finished and framed at Sweet Briar this year. 



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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Clay Blackwell]

Good luck on that one!!!  But lace makers at LASB may be there when I do 
actually finish it...  Now that must make everyone rush to sign up!!!  (VERY 
big grin!)

Clay

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 We look forward to seeing it finished and framed at Sweet Briar this year. 
 
 Sue
 
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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Vila Cox]

This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.

Vila Cox
Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599

On 1/11/2014 3:05 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver wrote:

I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished.
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
state fair this year. I worked on that on and off for years. In the begining I
wasn't sure I could master the piece...but I did. Not saying I am an expert
because I am not and do not feel comfortable in starting laces. I still need a
book. I don't know what my next piece of lace will be yet.
I have still
been painting and just finished up my last Christmas bobbin painting. There
were started before the end of last year and I didn't want to have them just
sitting around unfinished. You can see the Santa bobbin on my blog URL in
signature. Check them out.
So what do I want to put on my pillow and work
on right now. ...well...maybe a Bucks point snowman ornament. It is in
octagonal in shape and I have never done one like that...so thinking about
itI also have been thinking of what lace I want to make to enter in the
state fair next month. I do have an idea...that has been perculating in my
brain.
The only laces I have on pillows right now is  two continous laces.
One is a simple Bucks point edge and the other is a shamrock Torchon edge. It
has been so long since I have touched the Torchon edge that I am not sure how
to do it but I think I have notes somewhere. Unlike many lacers...I didn't
learn Torchon as my first lace but Bucks point from Bridget Cooks VHS tape I
had.
Anyhow...back to my question for all of you...What is your Ultimate
piece of lace have your made and felt good about when  finished??
Wind To Thy
Wings,
Sherry
New York, US of America
celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
http://celticdreamweaver.com/
http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
Nata 616

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Catherine Barley]

Wow!  That's beautiful.  Well done you!

Catherine Barley
UK

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This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.

Vila Cox
Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599



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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Carolyn Salafia]

Omg. What threads used?

Carrie drooling

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Vila Cox v...@warpedandwonderful.com wrote:
 
 This is my most challenging lace project so far.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
 overall it is 20 x 33
 there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
 took about 9 months to complete.
 
 Vila Cox
 Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599
 
 On 1/11/2014 3:05 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver wrote:
I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
 would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
 when finished.
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
 state fair this year. I worked on that on and off for years. In the begining 
 I
 wasn't sure I could master the piece...but I did. Not saying I am an expert
 because I am not and do not feel comfortable in starting laces. I still need 
 a
 book. I don't know what my next piece of lace will be yet.
I have still
 been painting and just finished up my last Christmas bobbin painting. There
 were started before the end of last year and I didn't want to have them just
 sitting around unfinished. You can see the Santa bobbin on my blog URL in
 signature. Check them out.
So what do I want to put on my pillow and work
 on right now. ...well...maybe a Bucks point snowman ornament. It is in
 octagonal in shape and I have never done one like that...so thinking about
 itI also have been thinking of what lace I want to make to enter in the
 state fair next month. I do have an idea...that has been perculating in my
 brain.
The only laces I have on pillows right now is  two continous laces.
 One is a simple Bucks point edge and the other is a shamrock Torchon edge. It
 has been so long since I have touched the Torchon edge that I am not sure how
 to do it but I think I have notes somewhere. Unlike many lacers...I 
 didn't
 learn Torchon as my first lace but Bucks point from Bridget Cooks VHS tape I
 had.
Anyhow...back to my question for all of you...What is your Ultimate
 piece of lace have your made and felt good about when  finished??
 Wind To Thy
 Wings,
 Sherry
 New York, US of America
 celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
 http://celticdreamweaver.com/
 http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
 Nata 616
 
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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Vila Cox]

I used 40/2 linen from Webs http://www.yarn.com/  It's more of a weaving 
yarn than for lace, but it worked.  I wove a piece of cloth with it for 
another runner that I made the lace edge from the same linen.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8311368508/in/photostream/lightbox/

Vila Cox ~ Warped  Wonderful
http://warpedandwonderful.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599
https://twitter.com/warpedandwonder

On 1/14/2014 10:57 AM, Carolyn Salafia wrote:

Omg. What threads used?

Carrie drooling

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Vila Cox v...@warpedandwonderful.com wrote:

This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.

Vila Cox
Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599


On 1/11/2014 3:05 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver wrote:
I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished.
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
state fair this year. I worked on that on and off for years. In the begining I
wasn't sure I could master the piece...but I did. Not saying I am an expert
because I am not and do not feel comfortable in starting laces. I still need a
book. I don't know what my next piece of lace will be yet.
I have still
been painting and just finished up my last Christmas bobbin painting. There
were started before the end of last year and I didn't want to have them just
sitting around unfinished. You can see the Santa bobbin on my blog URL in
signature. Check them out.
So what do I want to put on my pillow and work
on right now. ...well...maybe a Bucks point snowman ornament. It is in
octagonal in shape and I have never done one like that...so thinking about
itI also have been thinking of what lace I want to make to enter in the
state fair next month. I do have an idea...that has been perculating in my
brain.
The only laces I have on pillows right now is  two continous laces.
One is a simple Bucks point edge and the other is a shamrock Torchon edge. It
has been so long since I have touched the Torchon edge that I am not sure how
to do it but I think I have notes somewhere. Unlike many lacers...I didn't
learn Torchon as my first lace but Bucks point from Bridget Cooks VHS tape I
had.
Anyhow...back to my question for all of you...What is your Ultimate
piece of lace have your made and felt good about when  finished??
Wind To Thy
Wings,
Sherry
New York, US of America
celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
http://celticdreamweaver.com/
http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
Nata 616

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[lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[sof]

hello,

It's not my hardest piece but sure the biggest one I drew : 
http://blondecaen.chez-alice.fr/oid02.htm


Dentelez bien

Sof in France

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Janis Savage]

This is quite beautiful Vila.
While on Flickr, I took the opportunity to look at your other photos of 
your lace and weaving too. It is all quite inspiring.

Janis in South Africa

On 2014/01/14 04:37 PM, Vila Cox wrote:

This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.



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FW: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Gray, Alison J]

I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished. 

For me it would be the Bucks Point bunnies that I made from a pattern by 
Bridget Cook, there is a picture of it as it came off the pillow on Flickr.  I 
made it with minimum experience in Bucks Point for a colleague at work who was 
due to retire last year. It took me about 15 months, doing two versions, the 
first one on a larger scale.  My colleague keeps changing her mind about 
retiring and at the rate she keeps changing her mind I might be retiring before 
her!

I keep looking at the piece and seeing the mistakes and wondering whether I 
ought to do it again.  She bought me the book with the pattern as a birthday 
present nearly four years ago when my son was very seriously ill [fortunately 
he pulled through] but her gesture made me want to give her something special.

Doing that piece has given me a passion for Bucks Point and I have done very 
little else for the last year or so.  Actually, I'm learning tatting and having 
a go at Irish crochet as well as knitting for my grandson.  So it's not 
exclusively Bucks Point, but I have a Beds edging that I haven't touched in 
months and a Bruges pattern that keeps nudging me and saying 'make me, make 
me'.  So I guess that I shall be very busy  during 2014. 

Alison in chilly [but not as chilly as some parts of the world fortunately] and 
still sunny Colchester, Essex, UK

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[The Lacebee]

I love the flickr site and I do find it inspirational however there are two 
things that immediately came to me when I read Clay's answer.

Firstly, I've never posted to Flickr 

Secondly, I made pieces of lace and gave them away as presents long before I 
started to take photos of my lace because  Hushed gasp, they were made when 
you had to buy film and get it developed and I couldn't afford to do that each 
time.  

So, ok, I must start posting to Flickr but also am I interested in some of the 
older pieces that may or may not still be available to make but are interesting 
in the descriptions of the challenges and how they were overcome.

L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

 On 11 Jan 2014, at 22:27, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The answer to this question can be *seen* if you go to the Flickr website 
 which Arachne members use to post their latest and greatest!  It is full of 
 stunning work!  

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[David C COLLYER]

Sherry,

   I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished.


Mine would have to be the large edging in Toender which I made a few 
years ago. The pricking was very skew-whiff and that's all there was to go by.

I'm really proud of that piece. Shame the cat had to go and piss on it.
David in Ballarat, AUS

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RE: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Agnes Boddington]

David, have you not trained the cat?
My most challenging piece is still on the pillow: Wisteria Hankie Edging.
It is a Bedfordshire pattern which was trued up by Christine Springett, and
I started it on her course last May.
Since then it has been sitting there, and I stare at it, and think: one day
I am getting you finished.
One more comment: Christine does the most wonderful enlarged working
diagrams. 
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

I'm really proud of that piece. Shame the cat had to go and piss on it.
David in Ballarat, AUS

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[lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[mary carey]

Hi All,

I find Torchon a suitable area to focus on with a little Bucks but have a
collection of Eevaa-Liisa's pictures and edgings.

Made, in 4 months, The Crucifixion for my Dad's 80th (he will be 91 this
year) and there were a few components.  Firstly, my friend's husband made a
square base - approx 23 1/2 square, for a standard piece of styrofoam from a
local store.  I covered the foam with wool batting left over from a quilt
project then plain homespun.  Followed the advice of Pat Milne (did a few
workshops a number of years ago) to make not only the one needed at the time
and also made sections which fit in the base.

I made from my own design (usually use other people's ideas) a carry bag for
it - would have been better if I had made the handles longer, would then have
been able to carry it over my  shoulder.

Working with 92 prs was a challenge until I started using stitch holders (for
knitting) and sets of 4 knitting needles with rubber stoppers on the end.
Found this useful as when restarting with a set  of bobbins - you could start
from either end.

The framed piece came back to Sydney for the 25 yr Exhibition in the Foyer of
State Government House and now hangs off our wall.  Dad returned it to me when
he moved in with other family.

The Guardian Angel has been on the pillow for some years now - might add
finishing it to the list of activities for 2014.

Good luck everyone with your finishing activities this year.

Mary Carey
Campbelltown, NSW, Australia

 From: ag...@weatherwax.karoo.co.uk
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Subject: RE: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace   you
have ever done?
 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:00:20 +

 David, have you not trained the cat?
 My most challenging piece is still on the pillow: Wisteria Hankie Edging.
 It is a Bedfordshire pattern which was trued up by Christine Springett, and
 I started it on her course last May.
 Since then it has been sitting there, and I stare at it, and think: one day
 I am getting you finished.
 One more comment: Christine does the most wonderful enlarged working
 diagrams.
 Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

 I'm really proud of that piece. Shame the cat had to go and piss on it.
 David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Clay Blackwell]

Please, Mary!  Can you add pictures to Flickr?   Your work sounds superlative!

Clay


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 The framed piece came back to Sydney for the 25 yr Exhibition in the Foyer of
 State Government House and now hangs off our wall.  Dad returned it to me when
 he moved in with other family.
 
 The Guardian Angel has been on the pillow for some years now - might add
 finishing it to the list of activities for 2014.
 
 Good luck everyone with your finishing activities this year.
 
 Mary Carey
 Campbelltown, NSW, Australia

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[lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Celtic Dream Weaver]

   I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished. 
   For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
state fair this year. I worked on that on and off for years. In the begining I
wasn't sure I could master the piece...but I did. Not saying I am an expert
because I am not and do not feel comfortable in starting laces. I still need a
book. I don't know what my next piece of lace will be yet. 
   I have still
been painting and just finished up my last Christmas bobbin painting. There
were started before the end of last year and I didn't want to have them just
sitting around unfinished. You can see the Santa bobbin on my blog URL in
signature. Check them out.
   So what do I want to put on my pillow and work
on right now. ...well...maybe a Bucks point snowman ornament. It is in
octagonal in shape and I have never done one like that...so thinking about
itI also have been thinking of what lace I want to make to enter in the
state fair next month. I do have an idea...that has been perculating in my
brain.
   The only laces I have on pillows right now is  two continous laces.
One is a simple Bucks point edge and the other is a shamrock Torchon edge. It
has been so long since I have touched the Torchon edge that I am not sure how
to do it but I think I have notes somewhere. Unlike many lacers...I didn't
learn Torchon as my first lace but Bucks point from Bridget Cooks VHS tape I
had. 
   Anyhow...back to my question for all of you...What is your Ultimate
piece of lace have your made and felt good about when  finished??
Wind To Thy
Wings,
Sherry
New York, US of America
celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
http://celticdreamweaver.com/
http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Sherry!

The answer to this question can be *seen* if you go to the Flickr website which 
Arachne members use to post their latest and greatest!  It is full of stunning 
work!  

I might add that greatness is not measured in size alone.  There are lots of 
relatively small pieces which are breath-taking!

To see the Arachne pictures on Rlickr, search for Flickr with your search 
engine.  To sign in, the user name is arachne2003.  The password is LaceMaker1.

Enjoy your visit, and if you want to upload your own work, I can help you with 
that.

Clay

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 wrote:
 
I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
 would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
 when finished. 
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
 state fair this year. 

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[laura forrester]

The biggest piece I have done as in the most bobbins is still under wraps at
the moment.  
 
The biggest piece size-wise would have to be the 160 cm long
scarf I completed last year in Thai silk from one of the Dutch books...cannot
put my hands on it right now.  
 
The most difficult piece was a Barbara
Underwood workshop piece...my skill level was well below that required for the
workshop, and there are plenty of mistakes, but it is still my favourite
piece.  
 
The most challenging was the collar I designed for the 2012
Triennial Awards in Australia.  The piece was based on the Dorethea  McKellar
poem My Country and getting the threads to do what I wanted was a
challenge.  Due to the 'mistakes', I almost did not send it, but my group of
ladies convinced me that after all the work, I should...it won the bobbin lace
section, which still surprises me.  I must admit, after seeing it displayed on
Louise Colgan's shoulders in photos late last year, I have now worn it several
times and am liking it much better lol
Back to lurkdom for now...life is just
too hectic at the moment - said coming to the end of 9 weeks off work :(

Warm
regards,
 
Laura @++ De Bruyn
 
laura_ros...@yahoo.com
http://lauraslace.blogspot.com/
http://funkyglassbeads.blogspot.com/

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[lace] RE: [LACE] what to see/visit in Nice

[sally13nmex]

Hello everyone,
 
In 2009 or 2010 I think it was, I spent a few weeks in Nice .  One afternoon
I went to a nearby hill village, Grasse, that is particularly celebrated for
perfume.  I found a small museum at the top of the village near the main
road with a beautiful display of local costumes and lace.  There was supposed
to be another museum in the village, an official village museum with lace at
the bottom of the village near the train station but, as I had spent so much
time in the costume museum, I never made it to the bottom of the town. 
 
I took a bus from the central bus station in Nice using information that I
could read on a large board.  I knew from my language school that any bus
ride cost 1 euro.  It took a long time for the bus to reach Grasse.  I
suspect the local train would have been faster but the bus ride was very
scenic.
 
My experience with French museums is that the best ones are in villages or
small towns. I have found them to have the most interesting collections of
stuff with a surprising amount of lace.  There was one in Saintes that was
fascinating, and the way in was to first ring a bell by pushing a button on
the gate opening onto the street.  The gate was not locked.  One could
easily open it up as we did at first, walk up to the door, and peer in the
window at a y oung woman at a desk in the foyer, but that did not get the door
open.  There was a tiny sign on the door that said something about la
grille and la sonnette.  Discouraged, walking out the gate again, I turned
around to look longingly at the museum, and only then noticed a doorbell
button on the gate.  Aha!  A lightbulb turned on in my brain .  I pushed
the button, and voila, the young lady got up from her desk and opened the
door for me in a most friendly way.
 
Sally Schoenberg
Bellingham Washington
 

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re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[lynrbailey]

Dear Susan,
Thank you so much for these two websites.  I am trying to keep a list of lace 
places to see, and Cogne is a new one.  The Le Puy website is new to me, 
although I have been there.  It is a lovely website with lots to see.  I saw it 
in 2007, and I can attest that at that time the campground was very nice, and 
not far from the lace shop and museum.  

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the recent snow makes everything 
very bright in the sunshine.  

Susan wrote:
Le Puy is a beautiful place, with a fine exhibition hall, next year (June
to December) the theme is 'The finest circus costumes' -
http://www.ladentelledupuy.com/index.php?page=diaporama not to mention
Lacemakers in the street one week-end in June, and the 'couvige' or lace
day the first week-end in October.

Having said that, Le Puy may not seem very far from Nice, but by train
you're thinking in terms of seven hours, with at least two changes...

At a mere 120 Km from Nice, across the border in Italy, Cognes keeps alive
the tradition of Alpine lace:
http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2.htm (site in French, but the
photos speak for themselves)  Cognes and Nice are twin-towns, but I don't
know if there's a train...


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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Dmt11home]

Of course the best way to travel to Le Puy is not by train or  car, but by 
foot with a scallop shell slung around your neck :-)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_St._James#Medieval_route

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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Susan Vossier]

No, no, you *leave *from Le Puy for Compostella, having been first blessed
in the cathedral, and taking with you a stick, a cape and your pilgrim's
pass - and you gather the scallop shell from the beach at Compostela and
bring it back to prove you've been there!


2013/12/12 dmt11h...@aol.com

  Of course the best way to travel to Le Puy is not by train or car, but
 by foot with a scallop shell slung around your neck :-)

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_St._James#Medieval_route




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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Susan Vossier]

Nice - Lyon is four and a half hours if you get a direct train, five if you
change at Marseille, Aix or Avignon.
The days of the absolute punctuality of French trains are in the past; my
son had to spend a night in the youth hostel in Nice this year, because all
the trains that accepted bikes had been cancelled the day he had booked due
to some trouble elsewhere...



2013/12/11 dmt11h...@aol.com

  Arlene's question is a difficult one, requiring not only a knowledge of
 lace tourism, but also of French train routes. I have only visited the lace
 areas around Le Puy, including Retournac and Brioude in a car, something I
 wrote about in the Bulletin several years ago. In a car, it was difficult
 enough with some connecting roads so minimal that they were only barely
 indicated on the map.

 Although I do not understand the French train system I am inclined to
 believe that all the trains radiate from Paris and that inter-city
 transport may be much harder. However, from what I hear, these trains from
 Paris are practically time machines. On the theory that it might be easier
 to go to a major city, one located between Nice and Paris, may I suggest
 Lyon, the second largest city in France, and a noted center for silk
 manufacture, an historical specialty of the city. It is possible to go to a
 silk center and see the jacquard looms. In addition to that the Musee des
 Tissus (Michelin 3 star textile and decorative arts museum) in Lyon has a
 small, but very satisfying and very high quality display of lace in it, or
 at least it did when I was there a few years ago. (Always good to contact
 the museum in advance...)

 Devon




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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Dmt11home]

Arlene's question was: 
 
Anything possible to see as a day trip via train/bus that  a
not-so-brave traveler who does not speak French could possibly get to? 
 
I am afraid that my true feeling  about this is that the  answer is no, 
especially now that Susan has told us that Lyon is 4 1/2 hours  away. I think 
that it would be much nicer to explore the non-lace related sites  around 
Nice, kicking back on the Corniche, than to take courage in hand and ride  a 
train for 4 1/2 hours to seen a single display window of lace in Lyon. For 
one  thing, as a veteran of many trips to museums with lace collections, the 
chances  that the point of the trip will be totally frustrated by 
circumstances beyond  your control is always very present. For instance, there 
was a 
transit strike in  Lyon the day I was attempting to visit. On the day I went 
to the V  A, the  lace room was closed, at another museum the curator had a 
cold and hadn't come  in. So a pilgrimage that involves 9 hours of train 
riding could very likely  result in Arlene arriving just as the museum closes 
for some unknown purpose,  and she finds herself standing outside it 
thinking about how she could have  enjoyed another day in the environs of Nice. 
I 
usually think it is best if you  time these kinds of museum visits with an 
extra day so that if things go  sideways on the first try you can have another 
bite at the apple. 
One example of the kind of minor blip that can throw off an  ambitious trip 
is that, as I recall, it took a while to realize that taxis in  Lyon are 
all radio cabs, so you can't hail one, and in fact would have  to equip 
yourself ahead of time with the phone number of a radio cab  service, telephone 
a 
number to tell someone in French where you are so they  can pick you up, 
which means you have to be able to describe the location in  French. I have a 
vivid memory of my husband and myself walking to the point of  exhaustion in 
Lyon, then spotting the actual office of a radio taxi business,  staggering 
in and pleading for a cab. This was not the day of the transit  strike, by 
the way, but a normal day.
 
Devon

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re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Susan Vossier]

Hi Arlene and everyone,

Let's imagine you were on a trip and you ended up in Nice, France,
and you have an extra day before you leave.  Is there anything lace related
in that city?

Le Puy is a beautiful place, with a fine exhibition hall, next year (June
to December) the theme is 'The finest circus costumes' -
http://www.ladentelledupuy.com/index.php?page=diaporama not to mention
Lacemakers in the street one week-end in June, and the 'couvige' or lace
day the first week-end in October.

Having said that, Le Puy may not seem very far from Nice, but by train
you're thinking in terms of seven hours, with at least two changes...

At a mere 120 Km from Nice, across the border in Italy, Cognes keeps alive
the tradition of Alpine lace:
http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2.htm (site in French, but the
photos speak for themselves)  Cognes and Nice are twin-towns, but I don't
know if there's a train...

If you need more local information when - if -  plans crystallize, get in
touch!

On entirely different subjects - a big thank-you to Jean Leader for the
Advent calendar - and the link to the new Pat Read book; and also to
another Jean, Jean Eke for her beautiful rabbit animation, which I have
shared with my French lacemaking friends.

Sue in Montélimar, France, where we've had several sunny days WITHOUT WIND!

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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Dmt11home]

Arlene's question is a difficult one, requiring not only a  knowledge of 
lace tourism, but also of French train routes. I have only visited  the lace 
areas around Le Puy, including Retournac and Brioude in a  car, something I 
wrote about in the Bulletin several years ago. In a car, it was  difficult 
enough with some connecting roads so minimal that they were only  barely 
indicated on the map.
 
Although I do not understand the French train system I am  inclined to 
believe that all the trains radiate from Paris and that inter-city  transport 
may be much harder. However, from what I hear, these trains from  Paris are 
practically time machines. On the theory that it might be easier  to go to a 
major city, one located between Nice and Paris, may I suggest Lyon,  the 
second largest city in France, and a noted center for silk manufacture, an  
historical specialty of the city. It is possible to go to a silk center and see 
 
the jacquard looms. In addition to that the Musee des Tissus (Michelin 3 
star  textile and decorative arts museum) in Lyon has a small, but very  
satisfying and very high quality display of lace in it, or at least it did when 
 
I was there a few years ago. (Always good to contact the museum in 
advance...) 
 
Devon

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[lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Arlene Cohen]

Hello, all -

This is all just such a huge if in my life, but I thought I
would put it out there to this list, since there are always such good ideas
shared:

Let's imagine you were on a trip and you ended up in Nice, France,
and you have an extra day before you leave.  Is there anything lace related
in that city?  

Anything possible to see as a day trip via train/bus that a
not-so-brave traveler who does not speak French could possibly get to?  One
thing I found on the internet that seems like a worthy destination is in Le
Puy called the Bobbin Lace Learning Center, with exhibition rooms and a shop
(! - buying  lace patterns/books, etc. would be key!), but I can't figure out
if this place is a) still around and b) possible to get to for a day/overnight
from Nice.

Anything anyone could suggest would be appreciated!  It may be
all wishful thinking at the moment, but sometimes on a dark December evening,
you need a little wishful thinking….

thanks,
arlene in nj, white stuff on
the ground :-)

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[lace] What kind of lace is it? Interwoven Globe at the NY Metropolitan

[Lyn Bailey]

The Interwoven Globe exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York 
is amazing.  I was there on Wednesday, November 6.  It’s a 6 hour round trip 
train ride from my home.  We were fascinated.  If you go, don’t plan on 
doing much else at the museum, you’ll be museumed out when you’re done.  We 
spent at least 3 hours at the exhibit, and it’s dense.  But absolutely 
fascinating.  I have the catalog, which is great if you can’t get there, but 
seeing the exhibit is much, much better, as many times you can get very 
close, and see the stitched repairs, or other little things, or the whole 
thing, which makes a great impact.  Or see the connections among what is in 
a particular room.  If you can go, do so, you won’t regret it.  It’s on 
until January 5, 2014.  Don’t forget that the admission 
prices/donations/fees are suggestions, and not required.  You can pay less 
or more, as your heart desires.


The lace of # 80 in the catalog is not in the exhibit, sad to say.  BUT, 
there is lace there.  Trimmings on 2 dresses, # 82 in the catalog, which 
only shows the back, and # 83 in the catalog, which shows the lace, but not 
up close.  The lace in both is definitely part of the original, as the lace 
in both is decorated with the trim of the dress fabric.  Pictures are not 
allowed, so I had to wait until not attendants were around, used no flash, 
and I couldn’t get very close.  Now I realize I should have used zoom, but I 
didn’t.  So what you see is what you get.  Both dresses and the trim are 
similar, but one (# 83) has lace that looks distinctly like a trellis 
pattern, and I have never seen lace like it. It almost looks like a chain 
stitch, but it is not embroidered.  The lace on the top of the stomacher is 
gathered, and I have no idea what it is.  The lace on # 82 looks much more 
like lace but I have not seen its like, but that’s not saying much.  While 
the fabric for both was manufactured 1735-40, #82 was actually made in 1770. 
Apparently # 83 was made in 1740.  I have uploaded the pictures onto flickr, 
they are both in my folder as well.  I hope they can be magnified on your 
computer, so you can have a good look at it.


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where it is colder this morning, 34F 
1C, but brightly sunny.  They're talking snow for next week. 


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[lace] What would you call this lace?

[Vickie Green]

 Hello everyone,

  I have just uploaded onto Flicker a few pictures of a
lace that my sweet  friend owns.  It is bordering a lovely antique hankie. 
The pics are under my set Vickie in Va.

  May I ask your opinion on what type
lace to classify this piece?

  It has kisses and braids with picots and
torchon ground stitches along the headside and some false plaits, I think,
spanning a quite long distance joining the footside to the headside.

  This
is part of an amazing collection belonging to this friend who is a lecturer on
antique linens and an expert embroiderer who designs, repairs, collects and
recreates historical pieces so any info she receives will be lovingly passed
along to a large audience.

  Thanks for you help!

Vickie in Virginia
The woods and the gardens would be silent if no birds sang there except those
who sang best

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