Re: Waitangi Angels

2007-02-04 Thread David Mann
On Feb 4, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Bob W wrote:

 http://www.web-options.com/London3/

Very nice pics, but I'm getting Javascript errors.

 Parliament Square was invaded by New Zealanders. Here's why:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitangi_Day#Elsewhere_in_the_World

I didn't know about that... Waitangi Day is on Tuesday this year and  
I didn't take Monday off :(  A long weekend would have been really nice.

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RE: Waitangi Angels

2007-02-04 Thread Bob W
Thanks. I don't know what's causing the Javascript errors. It was
generated by Lightroom. I'm not going to investigate because the new
version will be here at the end of the month, and I shall assume for
the moment that it's fixed.

I didn't know about the giant haka etc. either. I was surprised to
stumble upon it, and surprised to see so many Maori people in London.
The singing was very nice - very Polynesian (?) and unexpected.

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 On Feb 4, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Bob W wrote:
 
  http://www.web-options.com/London3/
 
 Very nice pics, but I'm getting Javascript errors.
 
  Parliament Square was invaded by New Zealanders. Here's why:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitangi_Day#Elsewhere_in_the_World
 
 I didn't know about that... Waitangi Day is on Tuesday this year and

 I didn't take Monday off :(  A long weekend would have been 
 really nice.
 



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Re: NO FS this Friday?

2007-02-04 Thread Thibouille
But you and I might be sekeleton pieces before that happens, if it
happens at all.
In this case who has been waiting all his life for something that
would never happen and as a consequence use less than ideal quality
optics?

Using DA lenses, at least, you know what you use NOW is the best
possible. Eveything else is conjectures/wishful thinking, being
desirable or not is not the problem. I'd like me too a 24*36 or even
bigger sensor. I know I have no money and will not. I use what I can
afford now.

I sold my F 70-210 (which focussed awfully slowly) 'cos I bought a
DA50-200. I don't care as I didn't use the F since it was too slow to
AF. I have no problem with that. And what if 24*36 comes later? Well
between now and then I got a new lens *that I use* and which is IMO
pretty good. The rest...


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Where Lightroom stores settings, data etc

2007-02-04 Thread Thibouille
1/ As I understand, when Lightroom imports data it copies it to it own
storage area (which means I'd beter have anough space for it). And I
can backup the originals elsewhere once the import is done.

2/ Lightroom also stores previews, its database etc... Can I ask
Lightroom to store *everything* on another drive? It'd make things a
lot easier if any OS/apps reinstallation is needed. It could even be
used to share the dtabase betwenn computers ...

Is that correct ?
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RE: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread Bob W
  
   Question one:  What is chimping?
  
  A dumb, derogatory term given to the practice of checking 
 exposures  
  on the LCD using the review function.
 
 Oh, no.  That's not chimping.  Checking exposure (especially with
the
 histogram) doesn't involve showing your capture to everyone else.
 

Absolutely. You have to go 'ooh! ooh! ooh!'.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/chimping/

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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread David Savage
On 2/4/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Question one:  What is chimping?
  
   A dumb, derogatory term given to the practice of checking
  exposures
   on the LCD using the review function.
 
  Oh, no.  That's not chimping.  Checking exposure (especially with
 the
  histogram) doesn't involve showing your capture to everyone else.
 

 Absolutely. You have to go 'ooh! ooh! ooh!'.

...and throw faeces around.

Cheers,

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RE: Where Lightroom stores settings, data etc

2007-02-04 Thread Bob W
I use Windows Explorer to copy everything from my camera to a big
drive which I use exclusively for storing photos. Then I import them
into Lightroom. 

You can tell Lightroom to reference them from their current location
or to copy them into Lightroom's own database. 

I prefer the former because it makes them accessible to other
applications, doesn't double up on storage, and because Lightroom is
still only a beta, so all my eggs aren't going into that one basket.

To import files referencing them in their existing location (under
Windows):

1.  Press the Import button. 
Lightroom opens a standard File Open... dialog

2.  Choose the files you want to import

3.  Press OK. 
Lightroom opens the Import Photos dialog

4.  From the dropdown list, choose 'Reference files in existing
location'

5.  Enter your other choices and press Import. 
Lightroom imports the photos

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 Subject: Where Lightroom stores settings, data etc
 
 1/ As I understand, when Lightroom imports data it copies it to it
own
 storage area (which means I'd beter have anough space for it). And I
 can backup the originals elsewhere once the import is done.
 
 2/ Lightroom also stores previews, its database etc... Can I ask
 Lightroom to store *everything* on another drive? It'd make things a
 lot easier if any OS/apps reinstallation is needed. It could even be
 used to share the dtabase betwenn computers ...
 
 Is that correct ?
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Re: Yet more Pentax rumours (new lenses)

2007-02-04 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Thibouille wrote:
 Yes but we shall see what DA17-70 Pentax will offer us... /4-5.6? /4 ?
 /3.5-4.5 ? Mmm

According to Richard Day, who has some connection with Pentax UK, at 
dpreview, it will be a DA 17-70mm IF-ED f/4 SDM (Pentax's USM).


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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:04:13 -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Question 2 : I have photoshop elements 3.O I believe.  Do I need to  
 upgrade
 that?

PSE3 can be used with the latest version of Camera Raw, which is  
v3.6. I would recommend upgrading to that version of the RAW  
conversion plug-in, at least. Again, set the K10D to capture RAW  
files in DNG mode and, with the Camera Raw v3.6 plugin, you're good  
to go.

And on the 19th of februari, Camera Raw version 3.7 is due out.
That has support for the native K10D PEF too.

The only advantage of that (at the moment) is that PEF's take
up less space on the card (roughly 10Mb versus 16Mb for DNG)

Allows you to have more shots on a single card ...

Even when shooting PEF though (did that with the istD) I tend
to convert them to DNG directly after transfer to the computer
since these are a bit smaller still, and have the advantage that
all RAW conversion information will be kept in the same file
by Camera RAW. No seperate 'sidecar' files (.XMP) or
a database with conversion info needed ...

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Re: Where Lightroom stores settings, data etc

2007-02-04 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Thibouille,

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:00:00 +0100, Thibouille wrote:

1/ As I understand, when Lightroom imports data it copies it to it own
storage area (which means I'd beter have anough space for it). 

I think you get the choice, either create copies (taking up much space)
or reference an existing archive of images (no copy done).

And I can backup the originals elsewhere once the import is done.

Don't see why not :-)

2/ Lightroom also stores previews, its database etc... 

Have not used lightroom itself yet, but if it is anything like the CS/CS2 
Bridge it probably has 'caches' for previews and a few other things. 
These speed up viewing significantly (after the 1st time) but the
contents is dispensible, when deleted the next 'view' wil be slower.


Can I ask Lightroom to store *everything* on another drive? 
It'd make things a lot easier if any OS/apps reinstallation is 
needed. 

The thumbnail cache for CS/CS2 can be placed anywhere you like
and I expect Lightroom to be the same in that respect. It is not that
important since the info will be recreated automatically when needed
after it has been deleted (just takes time then).

Another thing is the RAW conversion information, that is often kept
in a database (specific to the RAW conversion application).

With DNG however, it is common to store that info IN the DNG itself.

That has the advantage that multiple copies of CS (or Lightroom)
automatically share the same inf, and DNG's copied to backup
storage still have all conversion info with them ...

It could even be used to share the dtabase betwenn computers ...

Yes, but having it with the DNG's is even better I think ...

Is that correct ?

I guess most of your assumptions are, but will wait for Godders 
to chime in, he seems to be one of the few people on the list
that has actually used the beta to some extent ...

For me, I am still trying to decide if Lightroom is the way to go now,
or if it is better to wait for CS3 with Camera RAW/Bridge ...

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RE: PESO - Reflections

2007-02-04 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thanks for looking Godfrey. 

About the BTW. This has happened before. This is odd. It is displayed in
Norway, but it seem foreigners have difficulties accessing the site. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 It ain't much, but it's a picture.
 http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=52639ref=author

The image would make an interesting backdrop under some circumstances.

BTW, the page comes up with a stack of error outputs on top:

 Notice: Undefined index: current_language in /home/bedrift/ 
 www.photosight.no/php.inc/languages.php on line 22

 Notice: Undefined variable: country in /home/bedrift/ 
 www.photosight.no/php.inc/languages.php on line 33

 Notice: Undefined variable: country in /home/bedrift/ 
 www.photosight.no/php.inc/languages.php on line 33

 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by  
 (output started at /home/bedrift/www.photosight.no/php.inc/ 
 languages.php:22) in /home/bedrift/www.photosight.no/php.inc/ 
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RE: Where Lightroom stores settings, data etc

2007-02-04 Thread Tim Øsleby
I'm not Godfrey, but I'm using Lightroom right now preparing a large
slideshow, based on 1500 pictures. It is efficient sorting the images, and
tagging them with meta tags. They are well displayed, with a nice compare
function. After I realised the importance of free HD space it is fast enough
for my purpose. The converting tools are efficient, with a few bonus tools,
but I don't really know how I feel about the new Curve tool. 

The major plus is that making a good workflow feels natural. All significant
tools are within reach, and the way they are organised is good. They kind of
asks for being used in a workflow friendly order if you get the idea.

When the final version is released I have no problem seeing myself making
the final slideshow inside Lightroom. Haven't used it for printing, my
printer is out of ink, and my budget is low at the moment. The final version
will have cloning and healing tools (not healing brush, but something
similar). The final version will also have non flash web tools. The slide
function in the beta is no good, but what I've seen of the final edition
makes me pretty sure it will do a good job. 

I have never used the full version CS, so I can't compare directly. My only
PS reference is Elements, and I can say that Lightroom is way better than
that. From my point of view it is worth every dime. 


Tim
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Hi Thibouille,

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:00:00 +0100, Thibouille wrote:

1/ As I understand, when Lightroom imports data it copies it to it own
storage area (which means I'd beter have anough space for it). 

I think you get the choice, either create copies (taking up much space)
or reference an existing archive of images (no copy done).

And I can backup the originals elsewhere once the import is done.

Don't see why not :-)

2/ Lightroom also stores previews, its database etc... 

Have not used lightroom itself yet, but if it is anything like the CS/CS2 
Bridge it probably has 'caches' for previews and a few other things. 
These speed up viewing significantly (after the 1st time) but the
contents is dispensible, when deleted the next 'view' wil be slower.


Can I ask Lightroom to store *everything* on another drive? 
It'd make things a lot easier if any OS/apps reinstallation is 
needed. 

The thumbnail cache for CS/CS2 can be placed anywhere you like
and I expect Lightroom to be the same in that respect. It is not that
important since the info will be recreated automatically when needed
after it has been deleted (just takes time then).

Another thing is the RAW conversion information, that is often kept
in a database (specific to the RAW conversion application).

With DNG however, it is common to store that info IN the DNG itself.

That has the advantage that multiple copies of CS (or Lightroom)
automatically share the same inf, and DNG's copied to backup
storage still have all conversion info with them ...

It could even be used to share the dtabase betwenn computers ...

Yes, but having it with the DNG's is even better I think ...

Is that correct ?

I guess most of your assumptions are, but will wait for Godders 
to chime in, he seems to be one of the few people on the list
that has actually used the beta to some extent ...

For me, I am still trying to decide if Lightroom is the way to go now,
or if it is better to wait for CS3 with Camera RAW/Bridge ...

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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
FWIW, the battery life on the D200 was supposed to be around 800-900
shots, according to the reviews.

At first, i was lucky to get 150 shots per battery. Now after a number
of cycles, i'm up to something like 300 shots per.

Maybe the Pentax battery needs a few charges to get up to speed as well.

Of course, i look at every shot during my horse shows and use AF and
VR, so that eats it up .

Dave

On 2/3/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 616 shots and the 2nd battery needs a recharge...
 I think the first one got 350 shots, so ~275 on the second.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On 2/3/07, Sandra Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
  Not sure why, but I was sure I had to have one.  So now I do.  I added it to
  my collection of 4 other pentax slr bodies and 3 med format bodies.   Now
  why would a single person need that many camera's not counting the 3 point
  and shoot pentax camera's I have.
  On a different note.  I love it.  It is probably the best Camera I have ever
  shot with.
  I have a few questions, Since I wasn't planning this I didn't keep up with
  all the talk about it.
  How long is the expected battery life?
  And Raw?  Raw kindof scares me...
  I have read the first manuel once.  The actual operating manual.  I find it
  funny though.  For some reason this camera takes pictures of everything.
  Sami, doorknobs, tv's, Curious George stuffed dolls.  I dont' think I have
  had a camera that took that many pictures of that many different things
  since my first pentax in 1995. I hope that with this one I can learn a lot
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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread cbwaters
I really do like the idea and the execution Paul.  But damn, that facial 
expression just kills it for me.
CW
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 You probably missed part of the url. Try this:
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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
She's not Canadian. We smile in blizzards.

LOL

Good shot Paul. I,as others have said, like the red bag

Probably a good one to BW with the hi iso.

Dave

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 I really do like the idea and the execution Paul.  But damn, that facial
 expression just kills it for me.
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Re: PESO - Reflections

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
I quess i'm not a foreigner then, as it works for me.

Could be an ok background, but its hard to look at for a long period.
Could just be me, its a low pressure day here, and my sinus's are killing me.:-)

Dave

On 2/4/07, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for looking Godfrey.

 About the BTW. This has happened before. This is odd. It is displayed in
 Norway, but it seem foreigners have difficulties accessing the site.


 Tim
 Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)


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 Subject: Re: PESO - Reflections


 On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

  It ain't much, but it's a picture.
  http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=52639ref=author

 The image would make an interesting backdrop under some circumstances.

 BTW, the page comes up with a stack of error outputs on top:

  Notice: Undefined index: current_language in /home/bedrift/
  www.photosight.no/php.inc/languages.php on line 22
 
  Notice: Undefined variable: country in /home/bedrift/
  www.photosight.no/php.inc/languages.php on line 33
 
  Notice: Undefined variable: country in /home/bedrift/
  www.photosight.no/php.inc/languages.php on line 33
 
  Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by
  (output started at /home/bedrift/www.photosight.no/php.inc/
  languages.php:22) in /home/bedrift/www.photosight.no/php.inc/
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Re: RE: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
My 300 F4 works well and feels solid.
My 100-300 is so so.
My 10-20 works well and feels solid.

Dave

On 2/3/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bill Owens wrote:

 From what I've heard and also from limited personal experience,
 Sigma lenses are very good optically, but suffer in build quality.

 Depends which one you get. The one Sigma I own is built as well as any
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Re: PESO:Gallons 66 - Version 2

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
I;m in agreement with all those above.

However its still a nice shot.

Dave

On 2/3/07, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Marnie
 thanks for looking and commenting.
 If I ever need an excuse to buy a medium 6x6 format camera I have found it
 now ;-)
 Somehow I can't get over that 3:2 format


 greetings
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 In a message dated 2/3/2007 1:58:52 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
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 Hi Kenneth
 thanks for looking and  your comment.
 I have indeed made 2 more photos of the same subject from  different
 distances.
 I'm therefore sure you and Paul will like this one  much  more:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5545723size=lg

 As  the first one this is uncropped, I tried some b/w conversions but prefer
 the  color one because of the rust.
 Again, the Pentax SFX, Tamron 90mm macro on  Superia ISO 100 film was  used.

 greetings
 Markus



 ===
 Actually, this  one could be cropped tighter, if you want. As a vertical. I
 think that would be  nice.

 Just my .02 cents. It is nice.

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Re: PESO: 50's Creamer

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
I like this one.

Nice and sharp, good comp and exposure.

Dave

On 1/31/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorting through some secondary slide storage, I came across this and
 found that I still consider some of its shapes pleasing.
 Guess it doesn't matter where you find them.

 Jack

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Re: RE: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread John Whittingham
 My 300 F4 works well and feels solid.
 My 100-300 is so so.
 My 10-20 works well and feels solid.
 
 Dave

The Sigma 300 f/4 APO Macro is clearly a professional quality lens and it 
shows both in build and optical performace, a forerunner of the EX series of 
lenses. The early Sigma EX 70-200 f/2.8 APO is right up there with the best 
at that range, even the Canon L series and Pentax FA* lenses.

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quick FF/ DA question

2007-02-04 Thread cbwaters
Looking at the DA 50-200 on BH's site, they state  offers focal lengths 
equivalent (in the 35mm format) from 76.5mm to 306mm.
Now, I was thinking that the DA lenses have the image circle of the APS 
sensor so shouldn't that just be a 50-200?
I guess I could check the 18-55 at 50mm and see how that compares with my F 
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Re: PESO: 50's Creamer

2007-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Ann,
You've pretty much summarized my 'secret' feelings about it. For me,
It's an aesthetically pleasing nudge recalled from a good place.

Jack
--- ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think you are being too hard on yourself about it -
 I like it quite a bit the way it is - I think the shadow and the
 creamer 
 are well balanced,
 I like the Southwest feel to it - the old look of the (then) new 
 pottery.  Just a simple
 and pleasant photo - rather painterly.
 
 ann
 
 
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 Sorting through some secondary slide storage, I came across this and
 found that I still consider some of its shapes pleasing.
 Guess it doesn't matter where you find them.
 
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Re: PESO:Swiss National Museum park view

2007-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
I don't really pick up on the sepia'. I do like the contrast and
wonder if a softer tone would compromise it.
An image I can spend time examining. 
Like it!

Jack
--- Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Pentaxians
 I really like this b/w sepia conversion of a view into the park
 behind the
 Swiss National Museum in Zurich so far.
 I hope it will be used in a winter tourism prospect next year but
 must
 rescan it then with the best film scanner I can get for all the
 details.
 I would like to hear your opinion regarding the sepia toning. Would a
 colder
 (bluer) tone work better here to pronounce the snow or would you like
 to see
 the muted color version?
 
 Pentax SFX, Tamron 90mm macro, Superia ISO 100 film, monopod, Minolta
 dual
 scan II, uncropped:
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5548918size=lg (250 KB)
 
 
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Re: PESO: 50's Creamer

2007-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciate it, David.

Jack
--- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like this one.
 
 Nice and sharp, good comp and exposure.
 
 Dave
 
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Re: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/2/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed:

The early Sigma EX 70-200 f/2.8 APO is right up there with the best 
at that range, even the Canon L series and Pentax FA* lenses.

I don't know about optical quality, but I do know about build quality
between the Sigma and the Canon and I can tell you that of the two there
is no contest - the Sigma is nowhere near the Canon in terms of
robustness. I have owned and used both and although the Sigma is very
good, I personally wouldn't have another. I have owned and used other
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Re: PESO:Swiss National Museum park view

2007-02-04 Thread Scott Loveless
On 2/4/07, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Pentaxians
 I really like this b/w sepia conversion of a view into the park behind the
 Swiss National Museum in Zurich so far.
 I hope it will be used in a winter tourism prospect next year but must
 rescan it then with the best film scanner I can get for all the details.
 I would like to hear your opinion regarding the sepia toning. Would a colder
 (bluer) tone work better here to pronounce the snow or would you like to see
 the muted color version?

 Pentax SFX, Tamron 90mm macro, Superia ISO 100 film, monopod, Minolta dual
 scan II, uncropped:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5548918size=lg (250 KB)


Hi, Markus.  This is just about the right amount of sepia.  Sepia,
when done properly, should tone the highlights first, and the blacks
should be left mostly unchanged.  Unfortunately, most people (digital
camera makers included) seem to think that the pronounced yellow we
see in crappy old west photos is what sepia looks like.  Very nicely
done.  I wouldn't change a thing.

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Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5550821

Out for a drive and spotted this sign.

I didi not realize our trucks run on wood up here.

K10D in DNG record mode, adjust in CS and resize for web. One thing
noted, i shot this in Sunny WB but DNG showed it as shot wb of 7100.??

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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Godders. You're right. In fact I PhotoShopped it thinking I 
would send it to some of my young ad biz friends who are trying to 
build a portfolio. It might make a good spec piece. Perhaps a Coach ad.
Paul
On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Nice, Paul. Very commercial.

 Godfrey

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 You probably missed part of the url. Try this:
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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Alastiar. Just a bit of fun, but a good way to weather the 
weather:-)
Paul
On Feb 3, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Alastair Robertson wrote:

 Very nice - good selective colour and I think the cellphone and dark
 glasses and high heels make it - who cares about the weather!
 Alastair

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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks. Yes, I was going for an ad look. The bag just happened to be 
red. I converted it as a color shot, then changed it to BW. In BW, I 
really missed the red bag, so I put it back.
Paul
On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 2/3/2007 3:18:59 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Sorry about that. It's  here:
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?
 topic_id=1481msg_id=00JnXBphoto_id=5546019photo_sel_index=0



 On  Feb 3, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Micah Kleit wrote:

 Paul:

  The story is great, but you forgot the link!

  Best,

 Micah

 On Feb 3, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Paul  Stenquist wrote:

 Went out to shoot a bit this afternoon in  near-blizzard conditions.
 Temperature was about -10 C with stiff  winds and blowing snow.
 Captured this with the K10D on continuous  autofocus and the DA 
 50-200
 at 200mm, F9, 1/250th, ISO 1600.  Obviously, I had a little bit of 
 fun
 with PhotoShop while warming up  in front of the fire. Rendered on 
 the
 laptop, so I'm not sure about  luminance values.
 Paul

 =
 Interesting shot.  Looks like a magazine ad, though -- for an 
 expensive top
 of the line brand  purse. You know, why not the phone red instead? 
 Lol. Because
 the intriguing  thing is she's still talking and talking despite the
 blizzard. Like the falling  snow.

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Re: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread John Whittingham
 The early Sigma EX 70-200 f/2.8 APO is right up there with the best 
 at that range, even the Canon L series and Pentax FA* lenses.
 
 I don't know about optical quality, but I do know about build quality
 between the Sigma and the Canon and I can tell you that of the two there
 is no contest - the Sigma is nowhere near the Canon in terms of
 robustness. I have owned and used both and although the Sigma is very
 good, I personally wouldn't have another. I have owned and used other
 Sigmas as well. I don't know about the Pentax.

I'll amend that, I was referring to optical quality.

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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
I guess I must be doing too much chimping...  :-)

My batteries don't last to long.
I do like the K10D review function better than the *istDS.
I can actually get a pretty good idea of sharpness with the zoom function.
And of course, I'm still reading the instruction manual and looking at
functions.
All this burns battery juice.

A word of warning...
I still don't like how the battery indicator works.
It can go from 'Powered up with 2 black halves to full empty in one shot.
If your like me, turning on and off frequently, this is problematic.
As the last battery ran out of juice, I could see 'half empty' at
times on the display.
This was never at TurnOn/Power Up, but after writing a picture to the card.
When the battery finally goes, the camera locks up and shows a warning screen.
I've gotten several extra shots, one at a time, by cycling off and on again.
Gives you a last chance to get that shot...

Regards,  Bob S.

On 2/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FWIW, the battery life on the D200 was supposed to be around 800-900
 shots, according to the reviews.

 At first, i was lucky to get 150 shots per battery. Now after a number
 of cycles, i'm up to something like 300 shots per.

 Maybe the Pentax battery needs a few charges to get up to speed as well.

 Of course, i look at every shot during my horse shows and use AF and
 VR, so that eats it up .

 Dave

 On 2/3/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  616 shots and the 2nd battery needs a recharge...
  I think the first one got 350 shots, so ~275 on the second.
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On 2/3/07, Sandra Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Not sure why, but I was sure I had to have one.  So now I do.  I added it 
   to
   my collection of 4 other pentax slr bodies and 3 med format bodies.   Now
   why would a single person need that many camera's not counting the 3 point
   and shoot pentax camera's I have.
   On a different note.  I love it.  It is probably the best Camera I have 
   ever
   shot with.
   I have a few questions, Since I wasn't planning this I didn't keep up with
   all the talk about it.
   How long is the expected battery life?
   And Raw?  Raw kindof scares me...
   I have read the first manuel once.  The actual operating manual.  I find 
   it
   funny though.  For some reason this camera takes pictures of everything.
   Sami, doorknobs, tv's, Curious George stuffed dolls.  I dont' think I have
   had a camera that took that many pictures of that many different things
   since my first pentax in 1995. I hope that with this one I can learn a lot
   more than I learned with my last ones.
  
  
  
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Re: quick FF/ DA question

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
On 2/4/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Looking at the DA 50-200 on BH's site, they state  offers focal lengths
 equivalent (in the 35mm format) from 76.5mm to 306mm.
 Now, I was thinking that the DA lenses have the image circle of the APS
 sensor so shouldn't that just be a 50-200?
 I guess I could check the 18-55 at 50mm and see how that compares with my F
 50 1.7...

 I'm easily corn-fusticated, you see.

You must be, you sent this to a Canon list.

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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Ken.
On Feb 3, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Nice un  Paul.

 Kenneth Waller

 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag


 Sorry about that. It's here:
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 topic_id=1481msg_id=00JnXBphoto_id=5546019photo_sel_index=0



 On Feb 3, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Micah Kleit wrote:

 Paul:

 The story is great, but you forgot the link!

 Best,

 Micah

 On Feb 3, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Went out to shoot a bit this afternoon in near-blizzard conditions.
 Temperature was about -10 C with stiff winds and blowing snow.
 Captured this with the K10D on continuous autofocus and the DA 
 50-200
 at 200mm, F9, 1/250th, ISO 1600. Obviously, I had a little bit of 
 fun
 with PhotoShop while warming up in front of the fire. Rendered on 
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Re: PESO:Swiss National Museum park view

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
Nice winter scene.

Dave

On 2/4/07, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Pentaxians
 I really like this b/w sepia conversion of a view into the park behind the
 Swiss National Museum in Zurich so far.
 I hope it will be used in a winter tourism prospect next year but must
 rescan it then with the best film scanner I can get for all the details.
 I would like to hear your opinion regarding the sepia toning. Would a colder
 (bluer) tone work better here to pronounce the snow or would you like to see
 the muted color version?

 Pentax SFX, Tamron 90mm macro, Superia ISO 100 film, monopod, Minolta dual
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 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5548918size=lg (250 KB)


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Re: quick FF/ DA question

2007-02-04 Thread David Savage
On 2/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2/4/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm easily corn-fusticated, you see.

 You must be, you sent this to a Canon list.

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Re: quick FF/ DA question

2007-02-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Cory,
I don't know about the DA50-200, but my DA16-45 shows an image like a
24-67 equivalent film zoom.  The DA lenses are fine, the designs just
have a lot of light fall off at the edges... So much fall off that
they really aren't suitable for 35mm film cameras.  Only the middle
2/3rds of the film will be well exposed.  The edges will be too dark.
Lucky for us, the digital sensor is just the right size.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 2/4/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Looking at the DA 50-200 on BH's site, they state  offers focal lengths
 equivalent (in the 35mm format) from 76.5mm to 306mm.
 Now, I was thinking that the DA lenses have the image circle of the APS
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Re: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 4, 2007, at 6:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5550821

 Out for a drive and spotted this sign.

 I didi not realize our trucks run on wood up here.

You're in Canada, right? ... ]'-)

 K10D in DNG record mode, adjust in CS and resize for web. One thing
 noted, i shot this in Sunny WB but DNG showed it as shot wb of 7100.??

I hardly look at the numbers. I set WB at whatever makes whites white  
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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
Is this with the K10D Bob.

I was hoping Pentax had that problem fixed.No problem with that, yet here.

Dave

On 2/4/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I guess I must be doing too much chimping...  :-)

 My batteries don't last to long.
 I do like the K10D review function better than the *istDS.
 I can actually get a pretty good idea of sharpness with the zoom function.
 And of course, I'm still reading the instruction manual and looking at
 functions.
 All this burns battery juice.

 A word of warning...
 I still don't like how the battery indicator works.
 It can go from 'Powered up with 2 black halves to full empty in one shot.
 If your like me, turning on and off frequently, this is problematic.
 As the last battery ran out of juice, I could see 'half empty' at
 times on the display.
 This was never at TurnOn/Power Up, but after writing a picture to the card.
 When the battery finally goes, the camera locks up and shows a warning screen.
 I've gotten several extra shots, one at a time, by cycling off and on again.
 Gives you a last chance to get that shot...

 Regards,  Bob S.

 On 2/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  FWIW, the battery life on the D200 was supposed to be around 800-900
  shots, according to the reviews.
 
  At first, i was lucky to get 150 shots per battery. Now after a number
  of cycles, i'm up to something like 300 shots per.
 
  Maybe the Pentax battery needs a few charges to get up to speed as well.
 
  Of course, i look at every shot during my horse shows and use AF and
  VR, so that eats it up .
 
  Dave
 
  On 2/3/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   616 shots and the 2nd battery needs a recharge...
   I think the first one got 350 shots, so ~275 on the second.
   Regards,  Bob S.
  
   On 2/3/07, Sandra Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   
   
Not sure why, but I was sure I had to have one.  So now I do.  I added 
it to
my collection of 4 other pentax slr bodies and 3 med format bodies.   
Now
why would a single person need that many camera's not counting the 3 
point
and shoot pentax camera's I have.
On a different note.  I love it.  It is probably the best Camera I have 
ever
shot with.
I have a few questions, Since I wasn't planning this I didn't keep up 
with
all the talk about it.
How long is the expected battery life?
And Raw?  Raw kindof scares me...
I have read the first manuel once.  The actual operating manual.  I 
find it
funny though.  For some reason this camera takes pictures of everything.
Sami, doorknobs, tv's, Curious George stuffed dolls.  I dont' think I 
have
had a camera that took that many pictures of that many different things
since my first pentax in 1995. I hope that with this one I can learn a 
lot
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Re: quick FF/ DA question

2007-02-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
What the BH page is clumsily saying is that the DA50-200 on a Pentax  
DSLR replaces the field of view range that a 75-300mm lens provides  
on a 35mm film SLR.

G

On Feb 4, 2007, at 5:53 AM, cbwaters wrote:

 Looking at the DA 50-200 on BH's site, they state  offers focal  
 lengths
 equivalent (in the 35mm format) from 76.5mm to 306mm.
 Now, I was thinking that the DA lenses have the image circle of the  
 APS
 sensor so shouldn't that just be a 50-200?
 I guess I could check the 18-55 at 50mm and see how that compares  
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Re: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/2/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'll amend that, I was referring to optical quality.

No argument. The Sigma 70-200 2.8 APO is a top performer.

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Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread William Robb
The diner was busy yesterday, breakfast took longer than usual.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/shakers.html

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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good one. The lens distortion makes it interesting. Great detail.
Paul
On Feb 4, 2007, at 10:37 AM, William Robb wrote:

 The diner was busy yesterday, breakfast took longer than usual.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/shakers.html

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Re: Where Lightroom stores settings, data etc

2007-02-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
 1/ As I understand, when Lightroom imports data it copies it to it own
 storage area (which means I'd beter have anough space for it). And I
 can backup the originals elsewhere once the import is done.

When you import files into Lightroom v4.1 beta, you can tell it to

- reference files in existing location
- copy files into whereever you've set the Lightroom Library directory
- move files into wherever you've set the Lightroom Library directory

There are various options for renaming and organizing the files,  
tagging them, etc. Lightroom 1.0 release has redone the import  
section a bit with mostly the same features but new tools that make  
it easier to set things up. There's a neat feature if you're using  
the Lightroom managed library and want to use an automated import  
from storage cards: it will put the files you want to work on  
directly into its library AND make a backup set, presumably to an  
external hard drive, at the same time.

Since the version of LR I'm working with is a beta and I have a file  
system organization that I like, I have been importing files by  
reference.

 2/ Lightroom also stores previews, its database etc... Can I ask
 Lightroom to store *everything* on another drive? It'd make things a
 lot easier if any OS/apps reinstallation is needed. It could even be
 used to share the dtabase betwenn computers ...

The Lightroom Library (or managed files directory tree) contains all  
the caches, information and settings it makes as well as your image  
files if you've chosen the move or copy options above. You can set  
where you want the root of that directory tree to be in the Lightroom  
Preferences, on the boot drive, on a separate partition, on a  
separate physical drive, etc.

I have it set up in my master Photos directory, alongside the year by  
year directory trees for my image files which are imported by  
reference. When the backup synchronization utility I use runs  
(ChronoSync by Econ Technologies), it synchronizes everything in all  
the directories to my external backup/archive system including the  
Lightroom Library directory tree. Restoring in the unlikely event of  
a crash is a simple matter of moving the Photos directory from the  
backup drives back to the boot drive where my account is based.

The videos at
   http://www.photoshopuser.com/lightroom/index.html
provide some details on the v1.0 release, which if you are familiar  
with the v4.1 beta illustrate clearly how things differ.

 For me, I am still trying to decide if Lightroom is the way to go now,
 or if it is better to wait for CS3 with Camera RAW/Bridge ...

How Lightroom fits in with Photoshop is a topic discussed in a  
section of the web page above. They are designed to work together.

In a nutshell: there are many things that Photoshop CS2/CS3 does  
which are not possible to do in Lightroom alone. However, the primary  
thing that Photoshop CS2/3 does NOT do that Lightroom provides is the  
ability to organize and manage large numbers of photos across many  
different sessions.

That is, by and large, the more important consideration to my  
needs ... I only need Photoshop's higher level editing a small amount  
of the time for the majority of my work, where I need more efficient  
tools for organizing, sorting, selecting, printing, etc all the time.  
I will have Lightroom as the basis of my work and will use Photoshop  
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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread Boris Liberman
So Bill, you did not really resist, did you? Now, how's DA 21 Ltd doing ;-).

On 2/4/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The diner was busy yesterday, breakfast took longer than usual.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/shakers.html

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Re: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
On 2/4/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Feb 4, 2007, at 6:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5550821
 
  Out for a drive and spotted this sign.
 
  I didi not realize our trucks run on wood up here.

 You're in Canada, right? ... ]'-)

Yes Sir.

  K10D in DNG record mode, adjust in CS and resize for web. One thing
  noted, i shot this in Sunny WB but DNG showed it as shot wb of 7100.??

 I hardly look at the numbers. I set WB at whatever makes whites white
 and grays gray ...

True enough, but with an istD pef or Nikon Nef file in PS the wb
numbers are pretty much what they should be for WB shot.
I find it weird that shooting on sunny mode resulted in 7100. If i set
the wb on sunny its really blue tinted.

I did just look at the setings on the camera and i had one of my
kelvin settings still at 3000. Wonderr if that was taken into account.

Dave

Is this a DNG trait

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Re: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks all of you who replied.

Well, there is only one problem with Sigma 70-200 2.8 beside its
price. It is over 1 kg in weight. It would seem to me that I will have
to confine myself to focal lengths no longer than 200 mm and actually
I may even confine myself further making my 77 ltd the longest lens I
would *actively* use.

I have read about Tamron 70-300 and looked at sample images. It is not
that much better than FA 80-320 if at all... Several people also
reported that it suffers from CA as well, so the sample variation
seems to be significant.

I am afraid this is going to be a real case of disablement for me.

On 2/4/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Dave, I have the same issue with my K10D. The color temperatures seem
to be off the chart. But who cares really. I agree with Godfrey - I
can get the look I want, so why would I care. Probably next versions
of RAW converters that would have support of K10D PEFs will rectify
this somehow.

By the way, I just placed a query with Adobe about possibility to buy
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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Boris LibermanSubject: Re: Peso: salt  pepper shakers


 So Bill, you did not really resist, did you? Now, how's DA 21 Ltd doing 
 ;-).

It's a very good lens. I am teaching myself to appreciate the focal length, 
as it isn't a field of view I have had a lot of use for.
I am still resisting the DA70, but damn, it tempted me.
This is a quick picture I took with it of the girl who tried to victimise 
me.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/shopgirl.html

William Robb


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GESO - Call Any Vegetable

2007-02-04 Thread Eactivist
A small gallery, six pictures, from about a year  ago at San Francisco's 
Farmers' Market.

This is again from the series of  
what-I-have-printed-up-recently-and-put-on-my-wall(s). The chard started out as 
 a much bigger horizontal. But to frame 
them and put them up I needed another  vertical. So I zoomed in on it and 
cropped it. I now like the crop better. They  are framed as 6x4s, three in a 
frame, 
with three horizontal, and three  vertical.

This was a camera club outing, a Reed's camera club. Now that  the store went 
belly up a couple of months ago, the guy that started this club  (and who 
also taught a lot of classes) is trying to keep it going. I haven't  been since 
last year, but will this year. I found it fun; it has a  lot fewer rules than 
more formal camera clubs. 

Nothing really  exciting, but I have found I really enjoy looking at these 
pictures on my wall  -- almost more than any other pictures I have up, which is 
sort of strange.  Well, vegetables have primary colors and basic geometric 
shapes, so I suppose  that makes them good graphics. Or it is the diet I am on. 
;-)

I wasn't  trying too hard that day, but I think that only really shows in one 
of these  photos.

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/

Comments,  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe

P.S. One of these has the most extensive  cloning I have done to date 
(including telephone wires).
P.S.P.S. If you are  old enough you know what the title comes from. :-) 

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Re: GESO - Call Any Vegetable

2007-02-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Quite appetizing. I like the rhubarb pic best of all. Nice.
Paul
On Feb 4, 2007, at 11:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A small gallery, six pictures, from about a year  ago at San 
 Francisco's
 Farmers' Market.

 This is again from the series of
 what-I-have-printed-up-recently-and-put-on-my-wall(s). The chard 
 started out as  a much bigger horizontal. But to frame
 them and put them up I needed another  vertical. So I zoomed in on it 
 and
 cropped it. I now like the crop better. They  are framed as 6x4s, 
 three in a frame,
 with three horizontal, and three  vertical.

 This was a camera club outing, a Reed's camera club. Now that  the 
 store went
 belly up a couple of months ago, the guy that started this club  (and 
 who
 also taught a lot of classes) is trying to keep it going. I haven't  
 been since
 last year, but will this year. I found it fun; it has a  lot fewer 
 rules than
 more formal camera clubs.

 Nothing really  exciting, but I have found I really enjoy looking at 
 these
 pictures on my wall  -- almost more than any other pictures I have up, 
 which is
 sort of strange.  Well, vegetables have primary colors and basic 
 geometric
 shapes, so I suppose  that makes them good graphics. Or it is the diet 
 I am on.
 ;-)

 I wasn't  trying too hard that day, but I think that only really shows 
 in one
 of these  photos.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/

 Comments,  welcome.

 Marnie aka Doe

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 P.S.P.S. If you are  old enough you know what the title comes from. :-)

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Re: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks for that info Boris.

As a natter of fact, i have just finished downloading LR beta 4.1 to try.

Dave

On 2/4/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave, I have the same issue with my K10D. The color temperatures seem
 to be off the chart. But who cares really. I agree with Godfrey - I
 can get the look I want, so why would I care. Probably next versions
 of RAW converters that would have support of K10D PEFs will rectify
 this somehow.

 By the way, I just placed a query with Adobe about possibility to buy
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My Sigma 500 DG Super is upgraded

2007-02-04 Thread David J Brooks
This is one that i don't see in the archives or any were else, so i;ll resend.

Flash is upgraded and i tested it the other day.

The first dozen or so on camera shots were all WAY underexposed, then
all of a sudden, they were pretty good, maybe 1/2 stop under.

I tried the wireless, and it works, but not well. 1 shot turned out OK.

Now it could be me not setting something right and it was only a few test shots.

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Re: GESO - Call Any Vegetable

2007-02-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/4/2007 8:33:54 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quite appetizing. I like the  rhubarb pic best of all. Nice.
Paul

=
Thanks, Paul. Oh,  it's rhubarb, not chard (that's the one I cropped).

Guess I need a quiz  on identifying your vegetables. Hehehehehe.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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 in one
 of these   photos.

  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/

 Comments,   welcome.

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Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread Walter Hamler
This is a quick picture I took with it of the girl who tried to victimise 
me.

Dang, she don't have no black eye!  I thought you said you were gonna give 
her one! :-)

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Enablement and a GESO

2007-02-04 Thread Perry Pellechia
I had a chance to buy a SMC-F 135mm 2:8 off of eBay and took a chance
(BIN $99 + shipping).  I am usually a zoom guy, but I am slowly
building my prime lens options.  I find the F135 is a pretty sharp
performer but the contrast is a little flat..  It is nothing that
cannot be punched up in post processing.  The lens if fairly well
built and handles very nicely on the K10D.  AF is not especially
speedy and I find that it hunts more that I would have thought.  The
focal length is a little longish, but I tend to favor my longer zooms
for what I shoot.  Overall I think I got a good deal.

Here are some test shots from in and around the house.  There is no
great art here, I was just shooting at objects trying to get a feel
for the lens.  There are the obligatory cat photos for you feline
fans:

http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry/smc-f135/content/index.html

Taken with the K10D, RAW (DNG) + JPG, minimal processing in Lightroom.

Any and all comments appreciated.

I was also using this test as an opportunity to learn Lightroom's web
page creation.  There are some nice thing about it but there are also
some limitations.  The opened image size is restricted by the matrix
size defined by the gallery.  The image size will always be restricted
within the light gray area of the gallery.  You can force the image
to show larger only if you define the gallery size larger (i.e. 5x4).
If this is larger than the number photos in the gallery (like mine) it
looks funny.   Hope they fixed this in the released version.


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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread Boris Liberman
I wonder if I can convince you to enable me with nice FA * 200/2.8
that you most probably have ;-).

On 2/4/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 From: Boris LibermanSubject: Re: Peso: salt  pepper shakers


  So Bill, you did not really resist, did you? Now, how's DA 21 Ltd doing
  ;-).

 It's a very good lens. I am teaching myself to appreciate the focal length,
 as it isn't a field of view I have had a lot of use for.
 I am still resisting the DA70, but damn, it tempted me.
 This is a quick picture I took with it of the girl who tried to victimise
 me.
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/shopgirl.html

 William Robb

 
  The diner was busy yesterday, breakfast took longer than usual.
 
  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/shakers.html
 
  Shot with the K10, DA21 LTD.
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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
I rather like this one, Paul.  Nice job!

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Re: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread John Whittingham
 I have read about Tamron 70-300 and looked at sample images. It is 
 not that much better than FA 80-320 if at all... Several people also 
 reported that it suffers from CA as well, so the sample variation 
 seems to be significant.

I've read a few reviews on the Tamron and most seemed quite positive, I've 
never actually had the pleasure of trying one. I already have too many lenses 
in that FL range and can't decide which to sell until I've tried them on the 
K10D

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Re: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread John Whittingham
 I'll amend that, I was referring to optical quality.
 
 No argument. The Sigma 70-200 2.8 APO is a top performer.

I just wish I'd had it with me on Friday walking round the park instead of 
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Re: PAW 2007 - 05 - GDG

2007-02-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 3, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/05.htm

 I like it, but it seems like it's missing something. Maybe a bit of
 toning to the image?
 Was this the one that you printed in sepia as you mentioned in a
 previous post to the list? I could definitely see that working well.

Thank you for the comment. :-)

Yes, I prefer it in a toned print. I generally don't add toning to  
the digital image, however, as the print toning seems to produce  
better results when applied using the Advanced BW options in the  
R2400 driver.

I printed a short edition of four, three of which are gifts for  
photographer friends.

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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
Simple and familiar, yet a light and unique image.
Not a criticism, but my immediate thought was that the salt should be
on the darker left side...as though it matters (not).
Equally unimportant, I might have brushed off the few grains on caps.

Jack
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 Good one. The lens distortion makes it interesting. Great detail.
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  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/shakers.html
 
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Re: GESO - Call Any Vegetable

2007-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
Enjoyed the veggie gallery. Placements kept me interested.
Good kitchen gallery material.

Jack
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 A small gallery, six pictures, from about a year  ago at San
 Francisco's 
 Farmers' Market.
 
 This is again from the series of  
 what-I-have-printed-up-recently-and-put-on-my-wall(s). The chard
 started out as  a much bigger horizontal. But to frame 
 them and put them up I needed another  vertical. So I zoomed in on it
 and 
 cropped it. I now like the crop better. They  are framed as 6x4s,
 three in a frame, 
 with three horizontal, and three  vertical.
 
 This was a camera club outing, a Reed's camera club. Now that  the
 store went 
 belly up a couple of months ago, the guy that started this club  (and
 who 
 also taught a lot of classes) is trying to keep it going. I haven't 
 been since 
 last year, but will this year. I found it fun; it has a  lot fewer
 rules than 
 more formal camera clubs. 
 
 Nothing really  exciting, but I have found I really enjoy looking at
 these 
 pictures on my wall  -- almost more than any other pictures I have
 up, which is 
 sort of strange.  Well, vegetables have primary colors and basic
 geometric 
 shapes, so I suppose  that makes them good graphics. Or it is the
 diet I am on. 
 ;-)
 
 I wasn't  trying too hard that day, but I think that only really
 shows in one 
 of these  photos.
 
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/
 
 Comments,  welcome.
 
 Marnie aka Doe
 
 P.S. One of these has the most extensive  cloning I have done to date
 
 (including telephone wires).
 P.S.P.S. If you are  old enough you know what the title comes from.
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OT: Web hosting horrors

2007-02-04 Thread Mark Roberts
OK, after 24-or-so hours of work I have my web site up and running on a 
new host... mostly. My former host lost connectivity on Monday and I 
grew increasing suspicious about how they were handling it... until I 
lost all patience yesterday and signed up with a new hosting company.

All that's left is for me to get the web message board/forum (Mimple 
Machines Forum - http://www.simplemachines.org/) up and running. I'll 
probably need to call their tech support for that tomorrow because I'm 
not a PHP/MySQL expert, to put it mildly.

And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest 
version of my Live Oak BW conversion:
http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm

Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then 
wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or 
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Re: Yet more Pentax rumours (new lenses)

2007-02-04 Thread John Celio
 Yes but we shall see what DA17-70 Pentax will offer us... /4-5.6? /4 ?
 /3.5-4.5 ? Mmm

 According to Richard Day, who has some connection with Pentax UK, at
 dpreview, it will be a DA 17-70mm IF-ED f/4 SDM (Pentax's USM).

That sort of makes sense.  It'd be a natural step-up from the kit lens for 
those who can't afford the DA* lens, and it'll replace their old (and really 
nice) FA 28-105 IF.

Of course, it's all just speculation till Pentax says something official, 
but it's nice to think about.

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PESO: Max Strawberry

2007-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
Since we're into the mundane, I'm adding to the food groups by pulling
a fruit shot from my site Blossoms/Etc gallery.
Shot a number of years back. Placed it on a light box which was sitting
in a patch of sunlight on my living room floor.
I held a hand mirror to reflect the sunlight to the shaded side.
Not totally balanced lighting, but it allows for a three dimentional
look this way.
Leaving image small due to mini file size.

Jack

ME Super, M-50mm f1.4 film(?)

Comments welcome!

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Re: PAW 2007 - 05 - GDG

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
What I like:
The curve of the path and the greater curve of the trees
The strong outline of the trees

What I don't like:
The total loss of sky behind the trees

I'd almost like to see a lower angle or a slightly wider angle to
accentuate the curves.

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Saturday, February 3, 2007, 9:18:24 PM, you wrote:

GD Out for the Saturday Morning Walk today ...

GDhttp://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/05.htm

GD Comments, critique, and the usual catcalls for good measure all  
GD appreciated.

GD enjoy
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RE: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread Bob W
 
  K10D in DNG record mode, adjust in CS and resize for web. One
thing
  noted, i shot this in Sunny WB but DNG showed it as shot wb 
 of 7100.??
 
 I hardly look at the numbers. I set WB at whatever makes 
 whites white  
 and grays gray ...
 
 Godfrey
 

I keep my cameras on daylight white balance all the time, even if I'm
in a tungsten-lit room. I can't see any purpose in setting the camera
for such things when shooting raw. The only settings that matter are
shutter speed, aperture, ISO and colour space, as far as I can see.
That keeps things simple and standard. Everything else can be done
with the raw editor.

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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks to Bruce all others who looked.
Paul
On Feb 4, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 I rather like this one, Paul.  Nice job!

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 Saturday, February 3, 2007, 3:35:12 PM, you wrote:

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Re: PESO:Swiss National Museum park view

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Markus,

At first, it seemed a little busy without immediately grabbing my
attention.  But I looked around the photo and rather liked looking.
Almost like I was there looking around.  I think the trees masking all
the buildings so I can't clearly see any of them is kind of cool.  All
in all a pleasant photo to peruse.

-- 
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Saturday, February 3, 2007, 11:14:36 PM, you wrote:

MM Hi Pentaxians
MM I really like this b/w sepia conversion of a view into the park behind the
MM Swiss National Museum in Zurich so far.
MM I hope it will be used in a winter tourism prospect next year but must
MM rescan it then with the best film scanner I can get for all the details.
MM I would like to hear your opinion regarding the sepia toning. Would a colder
MM (bluer) tone work better here to pronounce the snow or would you like to see
MM the muted color version?

MM Pentax SFX, Tamron 90mm macro, Superia ISO 100 film, monopod, Minolta dual
MM scan II, uncropped:

MM http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5548918size=lg (250 KB)


MM thanks for looking and any comments
MM greetings
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Re: Yet more Pentax rumours (new lenses)

2007-02-04 Thread Thibouille
mmm stop that I have not enough money already ... ;)

2007/2/4, Lawrence Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Thibouille wrote:
  Yes but we shall see what DA17-70 Pentax will offer us... /4-5.6? /4 ?
  /3.5-4.5 ? Mmm

 According to Richard Day, who has some connection with Pentax UK, at
 dpreview, it will be a DA 17-70mm IF-ED f/4 SDM (Pentax's USM).


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Re: OT: Web hosting horrors

2007-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
Looks virtually prehistoric. Like the lighted feeders' against the
darker trunk. Texture details always add much interest.

Jack
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OK, after 24-or-so hours of work I have my web site up and running on
 a 
 new host... mostly. My former host lost connectivity on Monday and I 
 grew increasing suspicious about how they were handling it... until I
 
 lost all patience yesterday and signed up with a new hosting company.
 
 All that's left is for me to get the web message board/forum (Mimple 
 Machines Forum - http://www.simplemachines.org/) up and running. I'll
 
 probably need to call their tech support for that tomorrow because
 I'm 
 not a PHP/MySQL expert, to put it mildly.
 
 And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the
 latest 
 version of my Live Oak BW conversion:
 http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm
 
 Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and
 then 
 wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it
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Re: GESO - Call Any Vegetable

2007-02-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/4/2007 10:14:55 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Enjoyed the veggie gallery.  Placements kept me interested.
Good kitchen gallery  material.

Jack
=
Thanks, Jack. I thought of that. :-)  But little room in kitchen, so they are 
gracing the hallway (which is actually  where I have the most wall space.) 

Hallways are good. :-)

Marnie  aka Doe 

==

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A  small gallery, six pictures, from about a year  ago at San
  Francisco's 
 Farmers' Market.
 
 This is again from the  series of  
 what-I-have-printed-up-recently-and-put-on-my-wall(s).  The chard
 started out as  a much bigger horizontal. But to frame  
 them and put them up I needed another  vertical. So I zoomed in on  it
 and 
 cropped it. I now like the crop better. They  are  framed as 6x4s,
 three in a frame, 
 with three horizontal, and  three  vertical.
 
 This was a camera club outing, a Reed's  camera club. Now that  the
 store went 
 belly up a couple of  months ago, the guy that started this club  (and
 who 
 also  taught a lot of classes) is trying to keep it going. I haven't 
 been  since 
 last year, but will this year. I found it fun; it has a  lot  fewer
 rules than 
 more formal camera clubs. 
 
  Nothing really  exciting, but I have found I really enjoy looking  at
 these 
 pictures on my wall  -- almost more than any  other pictures I have
 up, which is 
 sort of strange.  Well,  vegetables have primary colors and basic
 geometric 
 shapes, so I  suppose  that makes them good graphics. Or it is the
 diet I am on.  
 ;-)
 
 I wasn't  trying too hard that day, but I  think that only really
 shows in one 
 of these   photos.
 
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/
  
 Comments,  welcome.
 
 Marnie aka Doe
  
 P.S. One of these has the most extensive  cloning I have done to  date
 
 (including telephone wires).
 P.S.P.S. If you  are  old enough you know what the title comes from.
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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread Thibouille
A lot less than with the D IMO but ANY ele ctronic device will act like that.
My Walkman, years ago did the same... wait 10 minutes whenitn says it
exhausted and you get 10 more minutes playing music.

2007/2/4, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Is this with the K10D Bob.

 I was hoping Pentax had that problem fixed.No problem with that, yet here.

 Dave

 On 2/4/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I guess I must be doing too much chimping...  :-)
 
  My batteries don't last to long.
  I do like the K10D review function better than the *istDS.
  I can actually get a pretty good idea of sharpness with the zoom function.
  And of course, I'm still reading the instruction manual and looking at
  functions.
  All this burns battery juice.
 
  A word of warning...
  I still don't like how the battery indicator works.
  It can go from 'Powered up with 2 black halves to full empty in one shot.
  If your like me, turning on and off frequently, this is problematic.
  As the last battery ran out of juice, I could see 'half empty' at
  times on the display.
  This was never at TurnOn/Power Up, but after writing a picture to the 
  card.
  When the battery finally goes, the camera locks up and shows a warning 
  screen.
  I've gotten several extra shots, one at a time, by cycling off and on again.
  Gives you a last chance to get that shot...
 
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On 2/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   FWIW, the battery life on the D200 was supposed to be around 800-900
   shots, according to the reviews.
  
   At first, i was lucky to get 150 shots per battery. Now after a number
   of cycles, i'm up to something like 300 shots per.
  
   Maybe the Pentax battery needs a few charges to get up to speed as well.
  
   Of course, i look at every shot during my horse shows and use AF and
   VR, so that eats it up .
  
   Dave
  
   On 2/3/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
616 shots and the 2nd battery needs a recharge...
I think the first one got 350 shots, so ~275 on the second.
Regards,  Bob S.
   
On 2/3/07, Sandra Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 Not sure why, but I was sure I had to have one.  So now I do.  I 
 added it to
 my collection of 4 other pentax slr bodies and 3 med format bodies.   
 Now
 why would a single person need that many camera's not counting the 3 
 point
 and shoot pentax camera's I have.
 On a different note.  I love it.  It is probably the best Camera I 
 have ever
 shot with.
 I have a few questions, Since I wasn't planning this I didn't keep up 
 with
 all the talk about it.
 How long is the expected battery life?
 And Raw?  Raw kindof scares me...
 I have read the first manuel once.  The actual operating manual.  I 
 find it
 funny though.  For some reason this camera takes pictures of 
 everything.
 Sami, doorknobs, tv's, Curious George stuffed dolls.  I dont' think I 
 have
 had a camera that took that many pictures of that many different 
 things
 since my first pentax in 1995. I hope that with this one I can learn 
 a lot
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Re: Yet more Pentax rumours (new lenses)

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
Well, that makes it a little more interesting.  I'd like more of a
20-80 constant 3.5 type lens with high optical quality for my wedding
work.

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Sunday, February 4, 2007, 1:32:29 AM, you wrote:

LK On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Thibouille wrote:
 Yes but we shall see what DA17-70 Pentax will offer us... /4-5.6? /4 ?
 /3.5-4.5 ? Mmm

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Re: PESO: Max Strawberry

2007-02-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/4/2007 10:41:48 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since we're into the  mundane, I'm adding to the food groups by pulling
a fruit shot from my site  Blossoms/Etc gallery.
Shot a number of years back. Placed it on a light box  which was sitting
in a patch of sunlight on my living room floor.
I held a  hand mirror to reflect the sunlight to the shaded side.
Not totally balanced  lighting, but it allows for a three dimentional
look this way.
Leaving  image small due to mini file size.

Jack

ME Super, M-50mm f1.4  film(?)

Comments  welcome!

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Re: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread Thibouille
except histogram which depends on WB AFAIK

2007/2/4, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   K10D in DNG record mode, adjust in CS and resize for web. One
 thing
   noted, i shot this in Sunny WB but DNG showed it as shot wb
  of 7100.??
 
  I hardly look at the numbers. I set WB at whatever makes
  whites white
  and grays gray ...
 
  Godfrey
 

 I keep my cameras on daylight white balance all the time, even if I'm
 in a tungsten-lit room. I can't see any purpose in setting the camera
 for such things when shooting raw. The only settings that matter are
 shutter speed, aperture, ISO and colour space, as far as I can see.
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Re: PESO: Nap Time

2007-02-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/20/2007 1:28:31 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Was shooting today at a  local Scottish Games event. This guy looklikes like 
he was ready for beddy  bye! :-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/naptimeweb.jpg  



Nice shot. Really like it. While the woman thrower  (heaver, uh, not sure 
what to call her) was interesting, the lighting was bad.  This is nicely 
captured.

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RE: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread Bob W
Maybe. I never use it.

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 Subject: Re: Bio Diesel
 
 except histogram which depends on WB AFAIK
 
 2007/2/4, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
K10D in DNG record mode, adjust in CS and resize for web. One
  thing
noted, i shot this in Sunny WB but DNG showed it as shot wb
   of 7100.??
  
   I hardly look at the numbers. I set WB at whatever makes
   whites white
   and grays gray ...
  
   Godfrey
  
 
  I keep my cameras on daylight white balance all the time, 
 even if I'm
  in a tungsten-lit room. I can't see any purpose in setting 
 the camera
  for such things when shooting raw. The only settings that matter
are
  shutter speed, aperture, ISO and colour space, as far as I can
see.
  That keeps things simple and standard. Everything else can be done
  with the raw editor.
 
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Re: GESO ... Window People

2007-02-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/17/2007 3:28:56 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Had fun last evening  experimenting with the DA70 lens while I was in  
San Francisco. I also  decided to give the Autoviewer flash display  
gizmo a  try.

http://www.gdgphoto.com/windowpeople/

Comments,  critique, tomato slinging all  appropriate...

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RE: PESO: Nap Time

2007-02-04 Thread Bob W


 Was shooting today at a  local Scottish Games event. This guy 
 looklikes like 
 he was ready for beddy  bye! :-)
 
 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/naptimeweb.jpg  
 
 
 
 Nice shot. Really like it. While the woman thrower  (heaver, 
 uh, not sure 
 what to call her) was interesting, the lighting was bad.  
 This is nicely captured.
 
 Marnie aka Doe :-)  
 

I believe the word is 'tosser'. Or possible 'tosseuse' or 'tosserina'.

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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Seems to be a complete whiteout...


Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Went out to shoot a bit this afternoon in near-blizzard conditions.  
 Temperature was about -10 C with stiff winds and blowing snow.  
 Captured this with the K10D on continuous autofocus and the DA 50-200  
 at 200mm, F9, 1/250th, ISO 1600. Obviously, I had a little bit of fun  
 with PhotoShop while warming up in front of the fire. Rendered on the  
 laptop, so I'm not sure about luminance values.
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Re: combat photography

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Still wimpy, Russian, (WWII), 50 caliber antitank rifle round.

K.Takeshita wrote:
 On 2/03/07 5:38 PM, mike wilson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 On 04/02/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   
 More likely a .22

 Or baton round.
 
 A BB from a modified air rifle perhaps? ;-)


   
 Sucker arrow from a toy crossbow?
 

 Oh, wimpy ideas!
 Let's go big bang!
 7.62 NATO armour piercing incendiary round.  Nikon will take it (no?)

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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Chimping the video...

http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/chimping/

Sandra Hermann wrote:
 Question one:  What is chimping?

 Question 2 : I have photoshop elements 3.O I believe.  Do I need to upgrade 
 that?


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 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: my new K10D
 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:16:22 -0500

 Don't be afraid of RAW. It will expand your horizons significantly.
 But do get a good RAW converter. PhotoShop CS., CS2 or Elements.
 Battery life seems to be close to 1000 frames with no built-in flash
 use and moderate chimping.
 Paul
 On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Sandra Hermann wrote:

 


 Not sure why, but I was sure I had to have one.  So now I do.  I
 added it to
 my collection of 4 other pentax slr bodies and 3 med format
 bodies.   Now
 why would a single person need that many camera's not counting the
 3 point
 and shoot pentax camera's I have.
 On a different note.  I love it.  It is probably the best Camera I
 have ever
 shot with.
 I have a few questions, Since I wasn't planning this I didn't keep
 up with
 all the talk about it.
 How long is the expected battery life?
 And Raw?  Raw kindof scares me...
 I have read the first manuel once.  The actual operating manual.  I
 find it
 funny though.  For some reason this camera takes pictures of
 everything.
 Sami, doorknobs, tv's, Curious George stuffed dolls.  I dont' think
 I have
 had a camera that took that many pictures of that many different
 things
 since my first pentax in 1995. I hope that with this one I can
 learn a lot
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Re: Waitangi Angels

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
I'd have hit him first...

Bob W wrote:
 Thanks. I had a very enjoyable and quite interesting day. When I saw
 all the police I thought there was a demo in Parliament Square, which
 is illegal now. So I thought I'd join in - I wouldn't care what the
 demo was about, within reason, I'd do it just to say F you to the
 government for making demos in Parliament Sq. illegal. But the New
 Zealanders were a very good-natured bunch just having a good time.

 But I must have been in a bolshie mood today. In Covent Garden I
 started to photograph something, not even a person, and was about to
 decide not to because it was a crap photo, when somebody very
 aggressively told me not to take photos. So I said it was a public
 place and I was entitled to photograph anything I wanted, which I
 proceeded to do rather than be intimidated. Of course it turned into a
 shouting match. This bloke seemed to think that if he asked me not to
 take a picture I was legally obliged not to! I offered him the
 opportunity to sue me. It all ended up with me telling him to F off
 and a couple of times I could see he was ready to hit me, but he could
 see I was perfectly prepared to hit back, so it didn't come to that.
 I'd made my point, so I walked off, feeling rather heroic for standing
 up for my rights.

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 Subject: Re: Waitangi Angels

 Another fine set o photos, Bob.

 The Olympus lenses are excellent. I continue to be so tempted to nab
 

   
 a modest Olympus kit ... an E-1 with the 14-54, the 11-22 and 35  
 macro would do it. Prices on used E-1s are very attractive.

 Sigh. I could always resist anything but temptation.

 G

 On Feb 3, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Bob W wrote:

 
 Hi,

 went for another stroll around London to see how the newly
   
 acquired
   
 14-54 lens performs. I'm quite pleased with it - it seems to be
   
 very
   
 sharp. These pictures are straight out the camera with no colour
 fooling around. Shot raw, iso 100, daylight. If anything it's more
 saturated than I really like, but I do seem to have shot a lot of
 bright colour today. All the exposure were on P, with 
   
 matrix metering,
 
 and it seems to have coped ok with that too, mostly.

 http://www.web-options.com/London3/

 Parliament Square was invaded by New Zealanders. Here's why:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitangi_Day#Elsewhere_in_the_World
   
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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: Peso: salt  pepper shakers


I wonder if I can convince you to enable me with nice FA * 200/2.8
 that you most probably have ;-).

Sadly, I can't do that for you. I do have a nice Tokina 80-200/2.8.
I want to keep it though.

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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Photo.net seems to be down.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
 You probably missed part of the url. Try this:
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Re: combat photography

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
It could have been nearly spent.  From what I know the AK47 is very good 
at penetration at medium and close range.

Bob W wrote:
 More likely a .22

 Or baton round.
 
 A BB from a modified air rifle perhaps? ;-)


   
 Sucker arrow from a toy crossbow?
 
 Oh, wimpy ideas!
 Let's go big bang!
 7.62 NATO armour piercing incendiary round.  Nikon will 
   
 take it (no?)

 If NATO ever makes one.  Armour piercing _and_ incendiary?

 

 This is a picture of Don McCullin's camera that stopped a bullet:
 http://www.web-options.com/DMcam01.jpg

 I couldn't find a photo on the web, so I took this from his
 autobiography 'Unreasonable Behaviour' - well worth reading.

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Re: GESO - Call Any Vegetable

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
The tomato shot is easily my favorite.  Two very neat patterns - the
diagonal baskets holding them and the colors of the tomatoes.  Very
nicely seen and framed.

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Sunday, February 4, 2007, 8:21:23 AM, you wrote:

Eac A small gallery, six pictures, from about a year  ago at San Francisco's
Eac Farmers' Market.

Eac This is again from the series of  
Eac what-I-have-printed-up-recently-and-put-on-my-wall(s). The
Eac chard started out as  a much bigger horizontal. But to frame 
Eac them and put them up I needed another  vertical. So I zoomed in on it and
Eac cropped it. I now like the crop better. They  are framed as 6x4s, three in 
a frame,
Eac with three horizontal, and three  vertical.

Eac This was a camera club outing, a Reed's camera club. Now that  the store 
went
Eac belly up a couple of months ago, the guy that started this club  (and who
Eac also taught a lot of classes) is trying to keep it going. I haven't  been 
since
Eac last year, but will this year. I found it fun; it has a  lot fewer rules 
than
Eac more formal camera clubs. 

Eac Nothing really  exciting, but I have found I really enjoy looking at these
Eac pictures on my wall  -- almost more than any other pictures I have up, 
which is
Eac sort of strange.  Well, vegetables have primary colors and basic geometric
Eac shapes, so I suppose  that makes them good graphics. Or it is the diet I 
am on.
Eac ;-)

Eac I wasn't  trying too hard that day, but I think that only really shows in 
one
Eac of these  photos.

Eac http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/

Eac Comments,  welcome.

Eac Marnie aka Doe

Eac P.S. One of these has the most extensive  cloning I have done to date
Eac (including telephone wires).
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Re: Enablement and a GESO

2007-02-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
$99 is a good deal for an F135/2.8.  .Regards,  Bob S.

On 2/4/07, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I had a chance to buy a SMC-F 135mm 2:8 off of eBay and took a chance
 (BIN $99 + shipping).  I am usually a zoom guy, but I am slowly
 building my prime lens options.  I find the F135 is a pretty sharp
 performer but the contrast is a little flat..  It is nothing that
 cannot be punched up in post processing.  The lens if fairly well
 built and handles very nicely on the K10D.  AF is not especially
 speedy and I find that it hunts more that I would have thought.  The
 focal length is a little longish, but I tend to favor my longer zooms
 for what I shoot.  Overall I think I got a good deal.

 Here are some test shots from in and around the house.  There is no
 great art here, I was just shooting at objects trying to get a feel
 for the lens.  There are the obligatory cat photos for you feline
 fans:

 http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry/smc-f135/content/index.html

 Taken with the K10D, RAW (DNG) + JPG, minimal processing in Lightroom.

 Any and all comments appreciated.

 I was also using this test as an opportunity to learn Lightroom's web
 page creation.  There are some nice thing about it but there are also
 some limitations.  The opened image size is restricted by the matrix
 size defined by the gallery.  The image size will always be restricted
 within the light gray area of the gallery.  You can force the image
 to show larger only if you define the gallery size larger (i.e. 5x4).
 If this is larger than the number photos in the gallery (like mine) it
 looks funny.   Hope they fixed this in the released version.


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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
It's actually kind of a cool shot.  I guess it is because of the angle
and how the shakers seem to be leaning out, thanks to the wide angle
lens.  1/3 second looks pretty sharp - seems the SR is a good thing.

Nice shot, Bill.

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Sunday, February 4, 2007, 7:37:50 AM, you wrote:

WR The diner was busy yesterday, breakfast took longer than usual.

WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/shakers.html

WR Shot with the K10, DA21 LTD.
WR f/8, 1/3 second, SR on.

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Re: PESO - Snow Moonset

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm still using a CRT, and while it's not readily apparent at web 
resolution, in the browser, I was able to download the picture and see 
the streak with Photoshop.

Cotty wrote:
 On 3/2/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 Cotty,
 It's gotta be my laptop monitor, but I see nothing.
 Are you looking on an Apple laptop or desktop?
 Regards,  Bob S.
 

 I'm looking on a Mac LCD - if you look on a LCD, simply angle it so
 you're looking more from the top down - you'll see it. Definitely there.

   


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Re: Lens question

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
I have to smile at your comment on the weight.  After using an
80-200/2.8 from Tokina, I finally sold it because of weight.  That is
what led me to the A 70-210/4.  Optically as good, but much lighter
and usable than the 2.8 series of lenses.  I had really hoped that
Pentax would have released the 50-200 as a constant f4 so that we
would have had an AF version of the A 70-210/4.

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Sunday, February 4, 2007, 8:14:54 AM, you wrote:

BL Thanks all of you who replied.

BL Well, there is only one problem with Sigma 70-200 2.8 beside its
BL price. It is over 1 kg in weight. It would seem to me that I will have
BL to confine myself to focal lengths no longer than 200 mm and actually
BL I may even confine myself further making my 77 ltd the longest lens I
BL would *actively* use.

BL I have read about Tamron 70-300 and looked at sample images. It is not
BL that much better than FA 80-320 if at all... Several people also
BL reported that it suffers from CA as well, so the sample variation
BL seems to be significant.

BL I am afraid this is going to be a real case of disablement for me.

BL On 2/4/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 4/2/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I'll amend that, I was referring to optical quality.

 No argument. The Sigma 70-200 2.8 APO is a top performer.

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Re: PESO: The Blizzard and the Bag

2007-02-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Now I can open it.  Funny.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
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Re: Peso: salt pepper shakers

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
I must say that the DA70 is on my short list at this time.  Your shot
is very nice and only tempts me further.

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Sunday, February 4, 2007, 8:20:55 AM, you wrote:


WR - Original Message - 
WR From: Boris LibermanSubject: Re: Peso: salt  pepper shakers


 So Bill, you did not really resist, did you? Now, how's DA 21 Ltd doing
 ;-).

WR It's a very good lens. I am teaching myself to appreciate the focal length,
WR as it isn't a field of view I have had a lot of use for.
WR I am still resisting the DA70, but damn, it tempted me.
WR This is a quick picture I took with it of the girl who tried to victimise
WR me.
WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/shopgirl.html

WR William Robb


 The diner was busy yesterday, breakfast took longer than usual.

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Re: Bio Diesel

2007-02-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
You're probably right.  Silkypix, which supports the K10D PEF, is
showing the color temperatures right about where I expect them, so
other programs will probably also do that as they provide K10D
support.

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Sunday, February 4, 2007, 8:16:47 AM, you wrote:

BL Dave, I have the same issue with my K10D. The color temperatures seem
BL to be off the chart. But who cares really. I agree with Godfrey - I
BL can get the look I want, so why would I care. Probably next versions
BL of RAW converters that would have support of K10D PEFs will rectify
BL this somehow.

BL By the way, I just placed a query with Adobe about possibility to buy
BL LightRoom on line... I really like the LR concept.


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Re: PESO:Swiss National Museum park view

2007-02-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Markus,
I can see now where our Smithsonian Institute borrowed it's architecture.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 2/4/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Markus,

 At first, it seemed a little busy without immediately grabbing my
 attention.  But I looked around the photo and rather liked looking.
 Almost like I was there looking around.  I think the trees masking all
 the buildings so I can't clearly see any of them is kind of cool.  All
 in all a pleasant photo to peruse.

 --
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 Saturday, February 3, 2007, 11:14:36 PM, you wrote:

 MM Hi Pentaxians
 MM I really like this b/w sepia conversion of a view into the park behind the
 MM Swiss National Museum in Zurich so far.
 MM I hope it will be used in a winter tourism prospect next year but must
 MM rescan it then with the best film scanner I can get for all the details.
 MM I would like to hear your opinion regarding the sepia toning. Would a 
 colder
 MM (bluer) tone work better here to pronounce the snow or would you like to 
 see
 MM the muted color version?

 MM Pentax SFX, Tamron 90mm macro, Superia ISO 100 film, monopod, Minolta dual
 MM scan II, uncropped:

 MM http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5548918size=lg (250 KB)


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OT: How to make a lens...

2007-02-04 Thread Mike Hamilton
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/tech/l_plant/f_index.html

That's pretty intensive!

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Re: PESO: Max Strawberry

2007-02-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jack,
That's a good looking strawberry!
Part of you vegetables you can photograph at home series?
Regards,  Bob S.

On 2/4/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Since we're into the mundane, I'm adding to the food groups by pulling
 a fruit shot from my site Blossoms/Etc gallery.
 Shot a number of years back. Placed it on a light box which was sitting
 in a patch of sunlight on my living room floor.
 I held a hand mirror to reflect the sunlight to the shaded side.
 Not totally balanced lighting, but it allows for a three dimentional
 look this way.
 Leaving image small due to mini file size.

 Jack

 ME Super, M-50mm f1.4 film(?)

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Re: my new K10D

2007-02-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, Yes...using the K10D.  That's why I have 3 batteries.Bob S.

On 2/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is this with the K10D Bob.

 I was hoping Pentax had that problem fixed.No problem with that, yet here.

 Dave

 On 2/4/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I guess I must be doing too much chimping...  :-)
 
  My batteries don't last to long.
  I do like the K10D review function better than the *istDS.
  I can actually get a pretty good idea of sharpness with the zoom function.
  And of course, I'm still reading the instruction manual and looking at
  functions.
  All this burns battery juice.
 
  A word of warning...
  I still don't like how the battery indicator works.
  It can go from 'Powered up with 2 black halves to full empty in one shot.
  If your like me, turning on and off frequently, this is problematic.
  As the last battery ran out of juice, I could see 'half empty' at
  times on the display.
  This was never at TurnOn/Power Up, but after writing a picture to the 
  card.
  When the battery finally goes, the camera locks up and shows a warning 
  screen.
  I've gotten several extra shots, one at a time, by cycling off and on again.
  Gives you a last chance to get that shot...
 
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On 2/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   FWIW, the battery life on the D200 was supposed to be around 800-900
   shots, according to the reviews.
  
   At first, i was lucky to get 150 shots per battery. Now after a number
   of cycles, i'm up to something like 300 shots per.
  
   Maybe the Pentax battery needs a few charges to get up to speed as well.
  
   Of course, i look at every shot during my horse shows and use AF and
   VR, so that eats it up .
  
   Dave
  
   On 2/3/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
616 shots and the 2nd battery needs a recharge...
I think the first one got 350 shots, so ~275 on the second.
Regards,  Bob S.
   
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 Not sure why, but I was sure I had to have one.  So now I do.  I 
 added it to
 my collection of 4 other pentax slr bodies and 3 med format bodies.   
 Now
 why would a single person need that many camera's not counting the 3 
 point
 and shoot pentax camera's I have.
 On a different note.  I love it.  It is probably the best Camera I 
 have ever
 shot with.
 I have a few questions, Since I wasn't planning this I didn't keep up 
 with
 all the talk about it.
 How long is the expected battery life?
 And Raw?  Raw kindof scares me...
 I have read the first manuel once.  The actual operating manual.  I 
 find it
 funny though.  For some reason this camera takes pictures of 
 everything.
 Sami, doorknobs, tv's, Curious George stuffed dolls.  I dont' think I 
 have
 had a camera that took that many pictures of that many different 
 things
 since my first pentax in 1995. I hope that with this one I can learn 
 a lot
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