{S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4/13!
My week was spent fighting computer malware and Yahoo. Yesterday, I finally gave up and took my laptop to a local computer guru who I found out is about as enthused with Windows 8 as I am. I don't have Windows 8 on my computer, but I bought one for my wife a few months ago. Nuff said. This morning, I tried to pull an empty hopper from the power house track and derailed an empty hopper on the switch. That's when I gave up and decided to try my luck on my desktop. So far, the only problem is my inherent inability to type and to get my spelling right the first time. Bill, I've been through that roots in the sewer thing a couple of times, I hope no more. One suggestion - quit giving away your age - your making some of us feel old! boB Nicholson --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@... wrote: Hi Andre and all -- My week has been taken with digging out the main sewer line in front of the house to see why roots are getting in. It shouldnât be happening in new, modern plumbing, but it did.Going down five feet in hard clay and big rocks found the answer â the line had been improperly put together. So, next Tuesday the real plumbers come out and finish the job the way it should have been done. With some luck, that will be the end of brass loco sized plumber charges. Not much accomplished on the railroad as the above pretty much tapped out this 66 year body.I did order more decals for my narrow gauge Coal Creek Central after finding that I had not made the best of choices in the original batch. This situation was discovered while doing some decal work on some newly painted narrow gauge stuff. I also had a nice chat with Bill Peter of P-B-L fame. He was happily impressed with the response to the standard gauge Shays and it looks like the upcoming standard gauge Climaxes are following suit. Of course, he is looking for still more reservations, both standard and narrow gauge... Good to hear that you have joined the NASG, Andre. You have come on at an opportune time, as the latest âDispatchâ from the new editor should be arriving any second. Bill Pyper is asking every one to let him know when they get their October issue so he has a better handle on how long they take to go from the printer to your hands. The December issue is well under way with the regular deadline already past, but if you have something really good to put in, I am sure he will find a way to do it. In fact, he is also doing early work on the February issue, so I have every expectation that he will meet our first requirement of him -- having the âDispatchâ in your hands within the cover date month. Along these lines, I am considering having the âDispatchâ schedule changed to odd month dates instead of the current even month dates. I think that will improve its timeliness relative to the seasons and various S scale events. I would like to hear from anyone who has an opinion about this. You can get to me via scalesonly@... or by hitting my name on the âAboutâ page of the NASG website ( www.nasg.org ). I guess you can say some of my hobby time has been taken by NASG affairs, but this is enjoyable work... Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ ( where it has turned fall and cool ) -- Hi All! It's FNF 10/4/13! Time for us to all update what we've been doing in S scale. I'll go first: It's been a hectic two weeks on account of my wife's father's last days and eventual passing. However, among the busy schedule of late, I taken some of my time that becomes available and have been dusting off my stuff, continuing to take inventory, and getting some things headed my way so I can further projects. Such as... * Ordered a good chunk of S scale detail parts order from Bill's Train Shop for my various engine projects. * Purchased some Wiseman S scale detail parts off eBay. * Purchased the needed items from Northwest Short Line to re-power one of my Baldwin's to see if it would be worth the effort (and thus re-power them all). They run pretty darn good as is, but being a performance freak, I am wondering if I can make them even a smidge better. * Purchased CBQ In Color Vol. 3 that has some excellent KC area shots therein. * OH... and it's official now: I'm a bonafide member on NASG! I received my member's packet and THREE Dispatch issues in the mail this week. In all, things are reviving and ever so slowly I'm figuring out where I'm at in my modeling and taking steps to have the needed items in order to make some tangible progress. All from me... who's next? Andre Ming Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings:
{S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Got the empty hopper from the powerhouse rerailed this morning, and then pulled and taken to the main yard for further disposition. Not much of anything else going on, though. I couple of weeks ago, I bought a stovepipe adaptor section at a garage sale. I intend to pop rivet a piece of window screen to it so I can sift ballast. The next move will be to find a supplier of white rock to see if I can have sift some waste. boB Nicholson __ --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: My week was spent fighting computer malware and Yahoo. Yesterday, I finally gave up and took my laptop to a local computer guru who I found out is about as enthused with Windows 8 as I am. I don't have Windows 8 on my computer, but I bought one for my wife a few months ago. Nuff said. This morning, I tried to pull an empty hopper from the power house track and derailed an empty hopper on the switch. That's when I gave up and decided to try my luck on my desktop. So far, the only problem is my inherent inability to type and to get my spelling right the first time. Bill, I've been through that roots in the sewer thing a couple of times, I hope no more. One suggestion - quit giving away your age - your making some of us feel old! boB Nicholson --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@ wrote: Hi Andre and all -- My week has been taken with digging out the main sewer line in front of the house to see why roots are getting in. It shouldnât be happening in new, modern plumbing, but it did.Going down five feet in hard clay and big rocks found the answer â the line had been improperly put together. So, next Tuesday the real plumbers come out and finish the job the way it should have been done. With some luck, that will be the end of brass loco sized plumber charges. Not much accomplished on the railroad as the above pretty much tapped out this 66 year body.I did order more decals for my narrow gauge Coal Creek Central after finding that I had not made the best of choices in the original batch. This situation was discovered while doing some decal work on some newly painted narrow gauge stuff. I also had a nice chat with Bill Peter of P-B-L fame. He was happily impressed with the response to the standard gauge Shays and it looks like the upcoming standard gauge Climaxes are following suit. Of course, he is looking for still more reservations, both standard and narrow gauge... Good to hear that you have joined the NASG, Andre. You have come on at an opportune time, as the latest âDispatchâ from the new editor should be arriving any second. Bill Pyper is asking every one to let him know when they get their October issue so he has a better handle on how long they take to go from the printer to your hands. The December issue is well under way with the regular deadline already past, but if you have something really good to put in, I am sure he will find a way to do it. In fact, he is also doing early work on the February issue, so I have every expectation that he will meet our first requirement of him -- having the âDispatchâ in your hands within the cover date month. Along these lines, I am considering having the âDispatchâ schedule changed to odd month dates instead of the current even month dates. I think that will improve its timeliness relative to the seasons and various S scale events. I would like to hear from anyone who has an opinion about this. You can get to me via scalesonly@ or by hitting my name on the âAboutâ page of the NASG website ( www.nasg.org ). I guess you can say some of my hobby time has been taken by NASG affairs, but this is enjoyable work... Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ ( where it has turned fall and cool ) -- Hi All! It's FNF 10/4/13! Time for us to all update what we've been doing in S scale. I'll go first: It's been a hectic two weeks on account of my wife's father's last days and eventual passing. However, among the busy schedule of late, I taken some of my time that becomes available and have been dusting off my stuff, continuing to take inventory, and getting some things headed my way so I can further projects. Such as... * Ordered a good chunk of S scale detail parts order from Bill's Train Shop for my various engine projects. * Purchased some Wiseman S scale detail parts off eBay. * Purchased the needed items from Northwest Short Line to re-power one of my Baldwin's to see if it would be worth the effort (and thus re-power them all). They run pretty darn good as is, but being a performance freak, I am wondering if I can make them even a smidge
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Real rock?
If you have any chance of the stuff getting into gears on your engines, you may
want to use something like kitty litter especially if it has not been colored
green. It is ground up clay, and will destroy itself before it does any gears.
Dave Engle
From: shabbona_rr user141...@mediacombb.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:11 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Got the empty hopper from the powerhouse rerailed this morning, and then pulled
and taken to the main yard for further disposition. Not much of anything else
going on, though.
I couple of weeks ago, I bought a stovepipe adaptor section at a garage sale. I
intend to pop rivet a piece of window screen to it so I can sift ballast. The
next move will be to find a supplier of white rock to see if I can have sift
some waste.
boB Nicholson __
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote:
My week was spent fighting computer malware and Yahoo. Yesterday, I finally
gave up and took my laptop to a local computer guru who I found out is about
as enthused with Windows 8 as I am. I don't have Windows 8 on my computer,
but I bought one for my wife a few months ago. Nuff said.
This morning, I tried to pull an empty hopper from the power house track and
derailed an empty hopper on the switch. That's when I gave up and decided to
try my luck on my desktop. So far, the only problem is my inherent inability
to type and to get my spelling right the first time.
Bill, I've been through that roots in the sewer thing a couple of times, I
hope no more. One suggestion - quit giving away your age - your making some
of us feel old!
boB Nicholson
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@ wrote:
Hi Andre and all --
My week has been taken with digging out the main sewer line in front of the
house to see why roots are getting in. It shouldn’t be happening in new,
modern plumbing, but it did. Going down five feet in hard clay and big
rocks found the answer †the line had been improperly put together. So,
next Tuesday the real plumbers come out and finish the job the way it
should have been done. With some luck, that will be the end of brass loco
sized plumber charges.
Not much accomplished on the railroad as the above pretty much tapped out
this 66 year body. I did order more decals for my narrow gauge Coal Creek
Central after finding that I had not made the best of choices in the
original batch. This situation was discovered while doing some decal work
on some newly painted narrow gauge stuff. I also had a nice chat with Bill
Peter of P-B-L fame. He was happily impressed with the response to the
standard gauge Shays and it looks like the upcoming standard gauge Climaxes
are following suit. Of course, he is looking for still more reservations,
both standard and narrow gauge...
Good to hear that you have joined the NASG, Andre. You have come on at an
opportune time, as the latest “Dispatch� from the new editor should be
arriving any second. Bill Pyper is asking every one to let him know when
they get their October issue so he has a better handle on how long they
take to go from the printer to your hands. The December issue is well under
way with the regular deadline already past, but if you have something
really good to put in, I am sure he will find a way to do it. In fact, he
is also doing early work on the February issue, so I have every expectation
that he will meet our first requirement of him -- having the “Dispatch�
in your hands within the cover date month.
Along these lines, I am considering having the “Dispatch� schedule
changed to odd month dates instead of the current even month dates. I think
that will improve its timeliness relative to the seasons and various S
scale events. I would like to hear from anyone who has an opinion about
this. You can get to me via scalesonly@ or by hitting my name on the
“About� page of the NASG website ( http://www.nasg.org/ ).
I guess you can say some of my hobby time has been taken by NASG affairs,
but this is enjoyable work...
Have fun!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ ( where it has turned fall and cool )
--
Hi All! It's FNF 10/4/13!
Time for us to all update what we've been doing in S scale. I'll go first:
It's been a hectic two weeks on account of my wife's father's last days and
eventual passing. However, among the busy schedule of late, I taken some of
my time that becomes available and have been dusting off my stuff,
continuing to take inventory, and getting some things headed my way so I
can further projects. Such as...
* Ordered a good chunk of S scale detail parts order from Bill's
{S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Dave:
I have been using real rock ballast and dirt for scenery cover for a long time
with no serious side effects. I think the key is the adhesive one uses to hold
it in place. I have used everything from diluted white glue to liquid latex to
Future Floor Wax.
My biggest problem is, not what I use, but not using enough of it to further my
scenery efforts.
boB Nicholson __
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@... wrote:
Real rock?Â
Â
If you have any chance of the stuff getting into gears on your engines, you
may want to use something like kitty litter especially if it has not been
colored green. It is ground up clay, and will destroy itself before it does
any gears.Â
Dave Engle
From: shabbona_rr user141771@...
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:11 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
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Got the empty hopper from the powerhouse rerailed this morning, and then
pulled and taken to the main yard for further disposition. Not much of
anything else going on, though.
I couple of weeks ago, I bought a stovepipe adaptor section at a garage sale.
I intend to pop rivet a piece of window screen to it so I can sift ballast.
The next move will be to find a supplier of white rock to see if I can have
sift some waste.
boB Nicholson __
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@ wrote:
My week was spent fighting computer malware and Yahoo. Yesterday, I finally
gave up and took my laptop to a local computer guru who I found out is
about as enthused with Windows 8 as I am. I don't have Windows 8 on my
computer, but I bought one for my wife a few months ago. Nuff said.
This morning, I tried to pull an empty hopper from the power house track
and derailed an empty hopper on the switch. That's when I gave up and
decided to try my luck on my desktop. So far, the only problem is my
inherent inability to type and to get my spelling right the first time.
Bill, I've been through that roots in the sewer thing a couple of times, I
hope no more. One suggestion - quit giving away your age - your making some
of us feel old!
boB Nicholson
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@ wrote:
Hi Andre and all --
My week has been taken with digging out the main sewer line in front of
the house to see why roots are getting in. It shouldnââ¬â¢t be
happening in new, modern plumbing, but it did. Going down five feet in
hard clay and big rocks found the answer â⬠the line had been
improperly put together. So, next Tuesday the real plumbers come out and
finish the job the way it should have been done. With some luck, that
will be the end of brass loco sized plumber charges.
Not much accomplished on the railroad as the above pretty much tapped out
this 66 year body. I did order more decals for my narrow gauge Coal Creek
Central after finding that I had not made the best of choices in the
original batch. This situation was discovered while doing some decal work
on some newly painted narrow gauge stuff. I also had a nice chat with
Bill Peter of P-B-L fame. He was happily impressed with the response to
the standard gauge Shays and it looks like the upcoming standard gauge
Climaxes are following suit. Of course, he is looking for still more
reservations, both standard and narrow gauge...
Good to hear that you have joined the NASG, Andre. You have come on at an
opportune time, as the latest ââ¬ÅDispatchââ¬ï¿½ from the new editor
should be arriving any second. Bill Pyper is asking every one to let him
know when they get their October issue so he has a better handle on how
long they take to go from the printer to your hands. The December issue
is well under way with the regular deadline already past, but if you have
something really good to put in, I am sure he will find a way to do it.
In fact, he is also doing early work on the February issue, so I have
every expectation that he will meet our first requirement of him --
having the ââ¬ÅDispatchââ¬ï¿½ in your hands within the cover date
month.
Along these lines, I am considering having the ââ¬ÅDispatchââ¬ï¿½
schedule changed to odd month dates instead of the current even month
dates. I think that will improve its timeliness relative to the seasons
and various S scale events. I would like to hear from anyone who has an
opinion about this. You can get to me via scalesonly@ or by hitting my
name on the ââ¬ÅAboutââ¬ï¿½ page of the NASG website (
http://www.nasg.org/ ).
I guess you can say some of my hobby time has been taken by NASG affairs,
but this is enjoyable work...
Have fun!
Bill
Re: {S-Scale List} FNF 10/4/13!
Wow Bill Winans... the sewer line thing sounds like a crappy deal. NASG: I think it was a smart move on my part. We (wife and I) are seriously looking at making plans to attend the Kansas City NASG Convention in 2015. I doubt an NASG Convention will ever be closer to me than Kansas City. It will be great opportunity to further expand my horizons in S scale (that is, see new and different approaches to the hobby FIRSTHAND), as well as meet many that I've conversed with over the years, and finally, to have a chance to find/purchase S scale things that I might be interested in. I'm not getting any younger, 'ya know... so I'd better get off my butt and do some modeling IF I ever intend to do it. Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4/13!
Mornin' boB! Hard to understand how Yahoo is causing you all this hassle with your computer. Though I'm not very conversant with the new NEO format... it DOES work okay on my old system. Anyway... I feel your pain. Computer glitches are a such a PIA. This morning, I tried to pull an empty hopper from the power house track and derailed an empty hopper on the switch. So, did the MOW guys arrive with blocks, oil, and re-rail frogs in the backs of their pickups and get you back on the rail in a jiffy? (Knocking on wood: It's been a while since I've had one fall off the track in my 1:1 efforts.) Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
boB: Ballast: Don't know if it will be of use in S scale, but an O scale friend of mine uses roofing granules. They come in pre-colored varieties. Just don't ask me where he got'em... 'cause I can't remember with this CRS syndrome I seem to suffer with quite often now. Uhhh... what were we talking about? Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Hi Dave! I've heard of others using kitty litter... but the kitty litter I've been around (we used to have a cat) would turn different shade (darker) once wetted. What keeps that from happening in model use? As for using organic materials: In previous layouts I used real dirt/etc. I would sift dried/pulverized dirt with a contraption I made using some of the wife's discarded hoisery. I ended up with a very fine textured and VERY real looking dirt. (Secured with diluted Matt Medium.) I got the idea from Dave Frary's Kalmback scenery book. (Yeah, that was a while ago.) Anyway... my biggest concern has been whether ferrous content was in the material, but a quick pass-over with a magnet will tell the tale on that one. I've already been keeping an eye out for suitable materials around the RR yards and industries where I switch. I intend to harvest raw product and use the technique again. Best time to harvest is after a long dry spell and the ground is parchment dry. One of the best places is where trucks enter/leave a location: They pound the dirt into a talcolm-like consistancy that requires minimum work to make great ground cover! An unexpected upside to such an approach is that you get subtle color variations from harvesting dirt from various locations regionally. Of course, all of the above is from my FWIW Department. Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Regarding a fixative for scenic ground cover, boB said: I have used everything from diluted white glue to liquid latex to Future Floor Wax. Haven't heard of the Future Floor Wax approach! Does it have any shine to it??? As I mentioned previously, I used diluted Matt Medium. BUT... I wasn't 100% pleased with the results. It would leave little milky-looking residue here n' there. Not cool. When the time arrives, I will be experimenting to find a different fixative for my ground cover. Do your fixatives (note I did NOT say laxitives, NOR am I talking about afixing your dentures) leave a residue? My biggest problem is, not what I use, but not using enough of it to further my scenery efforts. LOL! Can relate! In my previous layout attempts, that seemed to be an issue, as well: The scenery never got all the way around the layout! Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} FNF 10/4/13!
Don't forget the 2014 convention in Wisconsin. Not that far from Kansas City.
Good tours, home layouts and great clinics.
Roy J Meissner
- Original Message -
From: Andre Ming
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FNF 10/4/13!
Wow Bill Winans... the sewer line thing sounds like a crappy deal.
NASG: I think it was a smart move on my part. We (wife and I) are seriously
looking at making plans to attend the Kansas City NASG Convention in 2015. I
doubt an NASG Convention will ever be closer to me than Kansas City. It will
be great opportunity to further expand my horizons in S scale (that is, see new
and different approaches to the hobby FIRSTHAND), as well as meet many that
I've conversed with over the years, and finally, to have a chance to
find/purchase S scale things that I might be interested in. I'm not getting
any younger, 'ya know... so I'd better get off my butt and do some modeling IF
I ever intend to do it.
Andre Ming
{S-Scale List} Catching up and FNF
Hi guys. I've head my head deep into other stuff lately so to catch up: 1. Kudos to Brooks and Mike for their loco building efforts. IMHO building locos, especially scratch building, is the highest form of achievement in our hobby. 2. I enjoyed the August promotional Dispatch. When we visited Scottsdale AZ last year, Bill Winans (thanks Bill) took me around to see Nelson Steinmetz's fine layout. I enjoyed Nelson's hospitality, and it's fun to see his layout in that issue. 3. FNF...I've been spending Fridays and other nights making some scenery upgrades to my home layout...particularly my Port Dover and Culverhouse modules that have now been retired from the show circuit. I will be hosting some S-scalers in a few week's time when I put on my annual CanAm Socia,l so I'd like to get some more work accomplished before then. Rather than post any photos here, I'll simply direct those who are interested to the Workshop blog below. --- http://sscaleworkshop.blogspot.ca/2013/10/modelling-sideways-and-backwards-with.html Cheers, Jim Martin
{S-Scale List} RE: FNF 10/4/13!
In a fit of irresponsibility I stole a half hour from my job overload and hooked up an old laptop on which I had installed DecoderPro, a USB to Serial adapter (Keyspan 19HS), connected to my NCE PowerPro. I downloaded WiThrottle Lite (free) from the app store onto a dinosaur iPod Touch I had laying around. Now I have a wireless throttle. Worked as soon as I got everything hooked up, which took 20 minutes total.You veteran S Scalers always talk about getting this or that from your parts box. I had to buy the USB to Serial adapter, but the rest was in my parts box, so my total cost was $30.-Michael Eldridge ---In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi All! Its FNF 10/4/13! Time for us to all update what weve been doing in S scale. Ill go first: Its been a hectic two weeks on account of my wifes fathers last days and eventual passing. However, among the busy schedule of late, I taken some of my time that becomes available and have been dusting off my stuff, continuing to take inventory, and getting some things headed my way so I can further projects. Such as... * Ordered a good chunk of S scale detail parts order from Bills Train Shop for my various engine projects. * Purchased some Wiseman S scale detail parts off eBay. * Purchased the needed items from Northwest Short Line to re-power one of my Baldwins to see if it would be worth the effort (and thus re-power them all). They run pretty darn good as is, but being a performance freak, I am wondering if I can make them even a smidge better. * Purchased CBQ In Color Vol. 3 that has some excellent KC area shots therein. * OH... and itsofficial now: Ima bonafide member on NASG! I received my members packet and THREE Dispatch issues in the mail this week. In all, things are reviving and ever so slowly Im figuring out where Im at in my modeling and taking steps to have the needed items in order to make some tangible progress. All from me... whos next? Andre Ming __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: {S-Scale List} Catching up and FNF
Hi Jim! Very much enjoyed taking a look at your model work and reading your layout philosophy at your website. Thanks for the link! ( http://sscaleworkshop.blogspot.ca/2013/10/modelling-sideways-and-backwards-with.html ) Realization: There are some EXCELLENT modelers in S scale. (Too bad 'yer gonna' be slummin' with the likes of me!!) Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} Catching up and FNF
Hardly slumming Andre...the guys who run theirs trains 12 inches to the foot are the real aristocrats of the hobby. Cheers Jim Martin On October 5, 2013 at 12:15 PM Andre Ming lam...@cebridge.net wrote: Hi Jim! Very much enjoyed taking a look at your model work and reading your layout philosophy at your website. Thanks for the link! ( http://sscaleworkshop.blogspot.ca/2013/10/modelling-sideways-and-backwards-with.html ) Realization: There are some EXCELLENT modelers in S scale. (Too bad 'yer gonna' be slummin' with the likes of me!!) Andre Ming
{S-Scale List} S dump trucks from Roy Messner items [5 Attachments]
If you went to the convention in Scranton you may have met my friend Gus Minardi. In spite of much effort on my part to drag Gus into S Scale he is firmly a lifer in HO. Nonetheless he is a master modeler of all kinds and at times other scales. There was not much for Gus to buy at the convention but Gus did buy some urethane truck components from Roy Messner. The photos are what Gus did with them. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
{S-Scale List} Wireless Throttles [1 Attachment]
Michael, Here are my wireless throttles. I just called up NCE and they sent them to me. Some say they are too big but for me they are JUST right. I imagine carrying a laptop computer around as a wireless throttle would quickly get heavy and cumbersome! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
{S-Scale List} FNF 10/4/13! [1 Attachment]
*[Attachment(s) from David Heine included below] I finished the turnout I'm describing as a three-way curved stub early this week. All three tracks curve the same way which makes it very asymmetrical. The tracks radiating from it will serve a coal mine tipple. I still need to power and wire it, but I need to purchase a three position servo controller. Also repaired the mine tipple that I damaged last month with the giant earthquake with the exception of some of stairs that won't be repaired until it is back in place. Worked some on the subroadbed and roadbed for a logging branch that also goes under part of the mine tipple on a grade and also glued down more ties in this area. Dave Heine Easton, PA *Attachment(s) from David Heine: * 1 of 1 Photo(s) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/attachments/folder/1083039952/item/list * IMG_3147.jpg Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
I forgot to mention the glue; I have always been told thinned white glue is
probably ok, but Liquitex Matte Medium will not harden up like white glue will.
Dave Engle
From: shabbona_rr user141...@mediacombb.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Dave:
I have been using real rock ballast and dirt for scenery cover for a long time
with no serious side effects. I think the key is the adhesive one uses to hold
it in place. I have used everything from diluted white glue to liquid latex to
Future Floor Wax.
My biggest problem is, not what I use, but not using enough of it to further my
scenery efforts.
boB Nicholson __
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@... wrote:
Real rock?Â
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If you have any chance of the stuff getting into gears on your engines, you
may want to use something like kitty litter especially if it has not been
colored green. It is ground up clay, and will destroy itself before it does
any gears.Â
Dave Engle
From: shabbona_rr user141771@...
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:11 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
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Got the empty hopper from the powerhouse rerailed this morning, and then
pulled and taken to the main yard for further disposition. Not much of
anything else going on, though.
I couple of weeks ago, I bought a stovepipe adaptor section at a garage sale.
I intend to pop rivet a piece of window screen to it so I can sift ballast.
The next move will be to find a supplier of white rock to see if I can have
sift some waste.
boB Nicholson __
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@ wrote:
My week was spent fighting computer malware and Yahoo. Yesterday, I finally
gave up and took my laptop to a local computer guru who I found out is
about as enthused with Windows 8 as I am. I don't have Windows 8 on my
computer, but I bought one for my wife a few months ago. Nuff said.
This morning, I tried to pull an empty hopper from the power house track
and derailed an empty hopper on the switch. That's when I gave up and
decided to try my luck on my desktop. So far, the only problem is my
inherent inability to type and to get my spelling right the first time.
Bill, I've been through that roots in the sewer thing a couple of times, I
hope no more. One suggestion - quit giving away your age - your making some
of us feel old!
boB Nicholson
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@ wrote:
Hi Andre and all --
My week has been taken with digging out the main sewer line in front of
the house to see why roots are getting in. It shouldn’t be
happening in new, modern plumbing, but it did. Going down five feet in
hard clay and big rocks found the answer †the line had been
improperly put together. So, next Tuesday the real plumbers come out and
finish the job the way it should have been done. With some luck, that
will be the end of brass loco sized plumber charges.
Not much accomplished on the railroad as the above pretty much tapped out
this 66 year body. I did order more decals for my narrow gauge Coal Creek
Central after finding that I had not made the best of choices in the
original batch. This situation was discovered while doing some decal work
on some newly painted narrow gauge stuff. I also had a nice chat with
Bill Peter of P-B-L fame. He was happily impressed with the response to
the standard gauge Shays and it looks like the upcoming standard gauge
Climaxes are following suit. Of course, he is looking for still more
reservations, both standard and narrow gauge...
Good to hear that you have joined the NASG, Andre. You have come on at an
opportune time, as the latest â€ÅDispatch� from the new editor
should be arriving any second. Bill Pyper is asking every one to let him
know when they get their October issue so he has a better handle on how
long they take to go from the printer to your hands. The December issue
is well under way with the regular deadline already past, but if you have
something really good to put in, I am sure he will find a way to do it.
In fact, he is also doing early work on the February issue, so I have
every expectation that he will meet our first requirement of him --
having the â€ÅDispatch� in your hands within the cover date
month.
Along these lines, I am considering having the â€ÅDispatch�
schedule changed to odd month dates instead of the current even month
dates. I think that will improve its timeliness relative to the seasons
and various S scale events. I would like
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Hi Dave Engle: You said: ...but Liquitex Matte Medium will not harden up like white glue will. Maybe I did something wrong, but everytime I used thinned Matt Medium it left a whitish/milky residue here and there. Have you used this technique and did you see the same thing? If not, what is the mixture ratio you use and what do you use for an adjuvant? Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Yes, several times, and never had a problem. I have heard as much as 4 to 1,
water to MM. My unthinned leftovers are still on and do not seem to be
adversely affected.
Dave Engle
From: Andre Ming lam...@cebridge.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Hi Dave Engle:
You said:
...but Liquitex Matte Medium will not harden up like white glue will.
Maybe I did something wrong, but everytime I used thinned Matt Medium it left a
whitish/milky residue here and there.
Have you used this technique and did you see the same thing? If not, what is
the mixture ratio you use and what do you use for an adjuvant?
Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} FNF 10/4/13!
Andre,
Condolences on the loss of you father-in-law.
Here in Texas in the fall, Friday night = high school football, so I didn't get
much done Friday. Today, however, I've been putting some Oddballs Rock Island
decals on an AM covered hopper that I detailed (wire grabs and ladder rungs;
pins out of the running boards; some brake piping) and repainted. I think it's
looking pretty good! BTW, adding the brake piping was a challenge, working
around all the parts on the end of the car.
Charles Weston
San Antonio
From: Andre Ming lam...@cebridge.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 11:07 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} FNF 10/4/13!
Hi All! It's FNF 10/4/13!
Time for us to all update what we've been doing in S scale. I'll go
first:
It's been a hectic two weeks on account of my wife's father's last days and
eventual passing. However, among the busy schedule of late, I taken some
of my time that becomes available and have been dusting off my stuff,
continuing
to take inventory, and getting some things headed my way so I can further
projects. Such as...
* Ordered a good chunk of S scale detail parts order from Bill's Train Shop
for my various engine projects.
* Purchased some Wiseman S scale detail parts off eBay.
* Purchased the needed items from Northwest Short Line to re-power one of my
Baldwin's to see if it would be worth the effort (and thus re-power them
all). They run pretty darn good as is, but being a performance freak, I
am wondering if I can make them even a smidge better.
* Purchased CBQ In Color Vol. 3 that has some excellent KC area shots
therein.
* OH... and it's official now: I'm a bonafide member on NASG!
I received my member's packet and THREE Dispatch issues in the mail this week.
In all, things are reviving and ever so slowly I'm figuring out where I'm at
in my modeling and taking steps to have the needed items in order to make some
tangible progress.
All from me... who's next?
Andre Ming
RE: {S-Scale List} Wireless Throttles
Bill,
You don't need to carry the laptop around. It runs the JMRI program and
acts as a server. He's carrying an old iPod around as the throttle. You
can also use any iPhone/iPad/iPod or any Android phone/tablet as a wireless
throttle. If you already have a suitable device, it can be used as an
essentially free wireless throttle.
Dave Heine
Easton, PA
From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Lane
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:28 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Wireless Throttles [1 Attachment]
[Attachment(s) from Bill Lane included below]
Michael,
Here are my wireless throttles. I just called up NCE and they sent them to
me. Some say they are too big but for me they are JUST right.
I imagine carrying a laptop computer around as a wireless throttle would
quickly get heavy and cumbersome!
Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com http://www.lanestrains.com/
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
See my layout progress at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm
Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm
PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls
***Join the PRR THS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com http://www.prrths.com/
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com http://www.prslhs.com/
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
RE: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: FNF 10/4(5)/13!
Milkiness with matte medium is usually from stirring it too much - you stir in air that ends up trapped as tiny bubbles. As far as I can tell, that doesnt happen with white glue, but I still prefer matte medium.-Michael Eldridge -PS, In new Yahoo, I figured out how to remove most of the text of message Im replying to. In the reply box, click on the ellipsis (...) and then delete stuff. Still has the original author listed as the group.---In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com wrote: As I mentioned previously, I used diluted Matt Medium. BUT... I wasnt 100% pleased with the results. It would leave little milky-looking residue here n there. Not cool. Andre Ming __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
{S-Scale List} RE: S dump trucks from Roy Messner items
Roy also has/had? some very nice models of older road trailers as well as several nice dump bodies. Stan Houghton ---In s-scale@yahoogroups.com, bill@... wrote:If you went to the convention in Scranton you may have met my friend Gus Minardi. In spite of much effort on my part to drag Gus into S Scale he is firmly a lifer in HO. Nonetheless he is a master modeler of all kinds and at times other scales. There was not much for Gus to buy at the convention but Gus did buy some urethane truck components from Roy Messner. The photos are what Gus did with them. Thank You,Bill LaneModeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987See my finished models at:http://www.lanestrains.comLook at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at:http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htmCustom Train Parts Designhttp://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htmPRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded(Trading is MUCH preferred)http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls***Join the PRR THS***The other members are not ALL like me!http://www.prrths.comhttp://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdfJoin the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical SocietyIts FREE to join!http://www.prslhs.comPreserving The Memory Of The PRS L __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
{S-Scale List} Hinged or solid points to throwbar
Time for a final (?) decision. Should I solder the point rails to the throwbar, or solder a tab to the rails and put a screw through the tab into the throwbar? Im most curious to hear from people that solder the rails to the throwbar. Fill in the blanks: In years of operating them Ive had _ solder joints come apart.-Michael Eldridge __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
{S-Scale List} TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 13, 2013
The New Haven and Derby Model Railroad Club, Inc. (an affiliate of The Orange Historical Society) will be holding it’s 21st annual model train show on Sunday October 13, 2013 from 9:30AM–3:30PM at High Plains Community Center 525 Orange Center Road (route 152) in Orange, CT. Mapquest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=addresscountry=USaddtohistory=searchtab=homeformtype=addresspopflag=0latitude=longitude=name=phone=level=cat=address=525+Orange+Center+Roadcity=Orangestate=ctzipcode= The building is minutes from Interstate 95’s exit 41 and exit 56 of the Wilbur Cross Parkway (CT 15). It is handicap accessible and has plenty of free parking. All Scales and eras will be represented with between 90-100 vendor tables featuring locomotives, rolling stock, books, accessories, clothing, scenery, buildings and railroad memorabilia. The Valley “HO” Railroad Club, and the Connecticut “G” Scale Railroad Club will have their modular operating layouts set up for viewing and their members will gladly answer any questions you may have. In addition we will have smaller kid friendly “S” Gauge and “T” track layouts. There will be door prizes every hour and a dining car to satisfy your hunger. All in all there will be something for every member of the family. Donations are: adults $5.00, teens (12-18 with adult) $1.00 and under 12 free. For more information contact Chairman Joel Mandell 203-795-1020 or by e-mail at jvmand...@aol.com or www.newhaven-derbymodelrailroadclub.org to find out more about us. Submitted by the show chairman Joel Mandell __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
{S-Scale List} Hinged or solid points to throwbar
Michael, Both have advantages. So far I have solid brass throw bars. http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout_Photos/Curved_Crossover_2.jpg It is pretty strong but I can't have the points jump wired. Point pick up is just the constant pressure from the stall motor. Tabs a plastic throw bar might be a little better but more time consuming to make. A plastic throw bar might fail sooner with the constant pressure from the stall motor. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
{S-Scale List} Quick MILW Question
Stock-piling for future projects: Anyone know when the Milwaukee Road went to the orange/black scheme for their diesel motive power? (Hm... come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a picture of their hoods n' switchers that wasn't orange and black. But, traditionally, the MILW hasn't been one of my all-time favorite roads.) Thanks for any input. Andre Ming
{S-Scale List} Re: S dump trucks from Roy Messner items
Absolutely great! Congrats Gus. Does Roy sell these on the web? Chris Rooney -- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts
Chris, I probably owe you an update on the turnouts. I said I might get them done by last weekend, but I found that to be a bit ambitious. I did make progress on them this week. All the rails are soldered in place. Five of the six need a bit more solder in the frogs, and then the frogs need to be sawed out. The sixth one is done. Then any tweaking that needs to be done. I think I can finish them tomorrow, and mail them out next week. Jamie Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Group, That last note was only meant for Chris Rooney. Sorry to be wasting bandwidth. Jamie Bothwell Bethlehem, PA
{S-Scale List} RE: Correct S-12 trucks
Andre, Right after I bought my AM S-12, someone (I cant remember who) produced the correct AAR Type A sideframes for the S-12. They are black plastic (Delrin) and mount up in place of the Type Bs that come on the S-12. Gary McCullah Farmington, AR __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: {S-Scale List} RE: Correct S-12 trucks
Gary McCullah said: Right after I bought my AM S-12, someone (I can't remember who) produced the correct AAR Type A sideframes for the S-12. They are black plastic (Delrin) and mount up in place of the Type B's that come on the S-12. Hi Gary! Are you in S scale too? If so, being you're in Farmington, that makes you the CLOSEST S scaler to me! Why shucks, we're only about an hour and a half apart!! Anyway, to the reply: Well, that would be an ideal solution... but I suspect the supply has long ago dried up. My hope is to come up with a sustainable replacement/fix. (i.e. A fix that doesn't depend on items no longer in production.) However, IF said replacement sideframes are still available, I'm definitely in the market! Andre Ming Patootey, OK
Re: {S-Scale List} FNF 10/4/13!
Thank you Charles. He was a fine man and a great father-in-law. Andre Ming - Original Message - From: Charles Weston Andre, Condolences on the loss of you father-in-law.
Re: {S-Scale List} RE: Correct S-12 trucks
I'm sitting here with my attempt at retrucking an S-12 with SHS trucks. I got
as far as taking up the 3/8 dufference in truck gear drives, but have never
finished due to physical limitations. Maybe, someday. . . FWIW
Dave Engle
From: Andre Ming lam...@cebridge.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} RE: Correct S-12 trucks
Gary McCullah said:
Right after I bought my AM S-12, someone (I can't remember who) produced the
correct AAR Type A sideframes for the S-12. They are black plastic (Delrin) and
mount up in place of the Type B's that come on the S-12.
Hi Gary! Are you in S scale too? If so, being you're in Farmington, that
makes you the CLOSEST S scaler to me! Why shucks, we're only about an hour and
a half apart!!
Anyway, to the reply:
Well, that would be an ideal solution... but I suspect the supply has long ago
dried up. My hope is to come up with a sustainable replacement/fix. (i.e. A
fix that doesn't depend on items no longer in production.)
However, IF said replacement sideframes are still available, I'm definitely in
the market!
Andre Ming
Patootey, OK
Re: {S-Scale List} Quick MILW Question
I remember some early FM switchers had the upper gray initially, I do not
remember where to dig them up. Why was MILW so heavy on FM?-- Beloit, Wisc.
Dave Engle
From: Andre Ming lam...@cebridge.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Quick MILW Question
Stock-piling for future projects:
Anyone know when the Milwaukee Road went to the orange/black scheme for their
diesel motive power? (Hm... come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen
a picture of their hoods n' switchers that wasn't orange and black. But,
traditionally, the MILW hasn't been one of my all-time favorite roads.)
Thanks for any input.
Andre Ming
Re: {S-Scale List} Quick MILW Question
Hi Dave: Spent some of this evening trying to a bit of research. Apparently, the earlier MILW switchers and hood units used a dark gray top, a wide-ish red separation line, and the same orange type color as used later on the sides and the same black frames. The numbers were RR roman type font. I can't tell for sure from the photos that I found, but it also appears they MAY have used the older tilted rectangle herald under the cab windows. Couldn't pin down when the change took place to the black/orange with newer tilted rectangle herald the read The Milwaukee Road. However, if the MILW was like most of the roads, the paint schemes began to be simplified in the mid-to-late 50's early 60's. No biggie, I was looking at an S scale Des Plaines Hobbies MILW decal set on eBay and thought I snag it for future MILW engines for my KC area layout. May do it anyway if someone hasn't already bid on it. Thanks for the input. Andre - Original Message - From: David Engle To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com I remember some early FM switchers had the upper gray initially, I do not remember where to dig them up. Why was MILW so heavy on FM?-- Beloit, Wisc. Dave Engle
