Re: Problem with flash-kernel script on PandaBoard with Ubuntu image and Linaro kernel
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 12.07.2012, 15:32 + schrieb David Cullen: Hello, Robie, On 7/11/2012 5:59 PM, Robie Basak wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 04:32:51PM +, David Cullen wrote: My questions are 1. Is it appropriate to suggest a patch to the Ubuntu flash-kernel to support the use of Linaro kernels? Seems reasonable to me (but I don't have the relevant decision making powers). The patch doesn't look particularly invasive. However, note that flash-kernel in Quantal has resynced with Debian, and looks radically different now. I'm not sure that this would be suitable for an SRU, so you'll want to test for the bug and may have to rework your patch for Quantal. Wouldn't the flash-kernel maintainer want to issue an update for people who are still using Precise on OMAP4? The reason I proposed the patch was to help people who might have the same problem I have with Precise on OMAP4. the flash-kernel in quantal is a complete rewrite from scratch, replacing flash-kernel in precise with the quantal version would man to also redesign how our images boot etc. i dont think thats a doable task, especially since the version in precise has grown hacks and workarounds over several years that other scripts and fesures in the images rely on. it seems very unlikely that the quantal version would break though, since the omap and omap4 subarches are handled identically in this version. if you find a bug in quantal anyway, please file a separate bug and we'll try to get the fix in (though preferably this should go into debian first, we try to keep the delta with them small nowadays and would like to prevent the piling up of downstream hacks and workarounds in the new version). ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [RFC] zswap for Precise, with script
hi, On Thu, 17 May 2012 09:55:52 -0400 John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Any thoughts on this? I wrote it on a whim after installing an SSD and completely disabling all swap. Haven't checked to see if Ubuntu supports hibernate to file yet (creating a hibernation file on demand would be optimal for me...) such a package exists in the form of the zram-config package in precise ... please take a look at this one and send patches (while the current package as used in all ubuntu arm installs already does a good deal of automation for setting up the zram devices, it could surely do with some additional /etc/default integration for overrides) ciao oli pgpWLQpeU3bR4.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Recent OpenSSL update that breaks cloudfront and rubygems.org?
hi, On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:06:12 -0500 Jordon Bedwell jor...@envygeeks.com wrote: The recent update to OpenSSL in Precise has rendered cloudfront.com unusable (as well as several other hosts which people have noted throughout other various bugs -- the one I discovered was have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/965371 ciao oli pgpeYQnqFOk5A.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default setting for system suspend in Ubuntu install CD
hi, On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:54:50 +0100 Roberto NM robe.na...@gmail.com wrote: I think the behaviour to do nothing instead of suspending is expected and user friendly since other major operating systems (Windows, OS X) behave the same way. there are many people using the live media as a work environment, just switching off suspend across the board only because you are running a desktop from a live media would be a bad idea imho, i fully agree that suspend should be disabled if the actual installer runs though, i think you need to differentiate a bit between try ubuntu and install ubuntu ... also as dan points out, this should go as a bug report to launchpad against ubiquity [1]. ciao oli [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug pgpqYeXywCVs6.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default setting for system suspend in Ubuntu install CD
hi, On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:49:47 +0100 Roberto NM robe.na...@gmail.com wrote: If you choose install right after booting the installation CD the dash and launcher don't load, yet the behaviour is suspend upon closing the lid. right, this is why i asked you to file the bug against the installer program (ubiquity)... we dont really want to lose features in the live environment, but as soon as the installer runs suspend needs to be disabled, this is easily doable, just file the bug ;) (and note that the installer is the same, no matter if you run it directly or if you start it later from a live session...) ciao oli pgpNrmOhRnib1.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why is there no mention of the word Linux on the ubuntu.com frontpage?
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 05.05.2011, 11:11 -0700 schrieb Dylan McCall: There is, actually, a block of text that mentions it: “Ubuntu is, and always will be, absolutely free. Created by the best open-source experts from all over the world, Ubuntu is available in 24 languages and ready for download today.” it is interesting how this sentence seems to imply a referral to canonical or it's employees to you given it doesnt mention anything in this regard. reading it, this sentence to me includes the GNOME developers, as much as the Xorg devs, Debian developers or the LibreOffice ones (put yourself here if you are involved in any open-source that is available in Ubuntu or helps it in one or the other way) it doesnt say Ubuntu is glued together by the best experts or something in this regard though still, many people i talk to read it the same way as you did, i wonder why ... ciao oli -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Windows controls: new button layout
hi, Am Samstag, den 08.05.2010, 08:50 +0200 schrieb Davyd McColl: I'm just annoyed that this setting (and locking my workstation when it goes to screensaver -- probably others too) was applied on a dist-upgrade without any prompt. I don't want a macified interface -- it doesn't feel natural to me, partly for the uses Windows the rest of the time argument (I work on Windows, home is mainly Ubuntu except for some games where I have to dual-boot). It would have been super-nice if a user's gconf settings weren't tampered with at upgrade. I don't ever recall an upgrade changing my config in the past. I don't know if the change came out of some system of overlays (I'm not a gconf expert, I'll admit), but it still would have been great if the post-install script could have asked me before just letting it be. the problem here is that you very likely didnt have a user setting for it (it wasnt necessary since the default pleased you). only the system default changed and if there is no diff between your setting and the system default there cant be any prompt (beyond that, your user setting would just override the system setting silently if there was one). ciao oli PS: i fully agree that the new screensaver behavior is most annoying, seems the desktop redesign in lucid added a lot of unnecessary extra clicks slowing down ones workflow a lot (i suspect there is a secret conspiracy between the DX team and mouse/keyboard manufacturers in the times of touchscreen driven ipads ;) ) i'm a big fan of the new button layout (and no, i never was an apple user) but i'm really doubtful about the indicator behavior of forcing you to use three to five clicks through a menu where a sigle click was enough before. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Rant about 10.04's installer on ubuntu-users
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 21.04.2010, 16:41 -0400 schrieb Tom H: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-April/216013.html Since the person who posted does not want to file a bug report, I thought that i should point this out. someone apparently did file it now ... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/568183 ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Touch Screen Issues
hi, Am Dienstag, den 23.03.2010, 10:57 -0700 schrieb Brian Murray: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 08:21:26PM +, Caroline Ford wrote: Do programs generally work okay or does it depend on libraries etc? The touchscreen and stylus control the pointer just the way a mouse would. if you talk about stylus and pointer i suspect you have a wacom tablet device (probably with a resistive touchscreen on top though) this is a very special case and totally different from a plain touchscreen. in wacom the input device is the external device (stylus, pointer etc) while on a touchscreen the pyhsical surface is the input device, input event translation and movement happen in a different way here. there are about 10 different real touchscreen chipset drivers out there of which we only support one or two. the wacom drivers in turn are well supported and maintained since a while. the evtouch driver (which suports the widest range of touchscreens regardless of the connection (USB, serial etc) that i hacked up with quick hal workarounds in the intrepid cycle either needs porting to the new Xinput/udev model or the chipset drivers need to be ported on a kernel level to the usbtouchscreen driver so the general evdev X driver will pick them up. the former was the quick hack way to get anything at all (and porting might be as quick as well) while the latter is the right way (and what xorg upstream perfers to do) but the latter will take a lot more time and effort (though the latter indeed excludes all serial or PS/2 attached touchscreens of which there are still a huge amount out there). there was a spec for this during last UDS but to my knowledge no work has been done regadring this spec. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: background collection is horrible
hi, Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 16:58 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert: hi, Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 09:48 -0500 schrieb solaris manzur: /usr/share/backgrounds/space-01.jpg to space-05.jpg collection is horrible, old and low resolution wallpapers, no one uses them, so please replace or remove them, in http://www.deviantart.com we could find some high resolution wallpapers. ... oh, and i replied to fast, i didnt notice where i replied to actually, that should surely better go to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art (as well as your icon request in the other thread) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: background collection is horrible
hi, Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 09:48 -0500 schrieb solaris manzur: /usr/share/backgrounds/space-01.jpg to space-05.jpg collection is horrible, old and low resolution wallpapers, no one uses them, so please replace or remove them, in http://www.deviantart.com we could find some high resolution wallpapers. they come from a very old (and implemented spec) for screensaver pics and are actually pics mark took when he was in space, the initial idea was that the artwork team would enhance the selection of images in the screensaver-default-images package with self breeded pictures ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreensaverDefaultImage beyond the technical part here (the creation of the screensaver-default-images package with marks initial artwork) the artwork team part of the spec never took off actually ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: background collection is horrible
hi, Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 11:37 -0400 schrieb Andrew: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com wrote: hi, Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 16:58 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert: hi, Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 09:48 -0500 schrieb solaris manzur: /usr/share/backgrounds/space-01.jpg to space-05.jpg collection is horrible, old and low resolution wallpapers, no one uses them, so please replace or remove them, in http://www.deviantart.com we could find some high resolution wallpapers. ... oh, and i replied to fast, i didnt notice where i replied to actually, that should surely better go to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art (as well as your icon request in the other thread) Is it really the correct place to discuss removing a package from the default install? i understood the OP that he wanted to have the art replaced :) and tried to point out that the package the images come from are actually supposed to have content from the artwork team ... i didnt see it as a removal request ;) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: aufs based upgrade tests
hi, Am Freitag, den 20.03.2009, 09:49 +0200 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: to, 2009-03-19 kello 16:20 +0100, Martin Soto kirjoitti: Seconded, you start your session once with the new version installed, and there's often no way back. Applications will surely update their configuration data as soon as they're started, and there's no guarantee that they'll work when the older system is reinstated. In my humble opinion, such applications are broken. They will already break when, for example, $HOME is shared over NFS, and different hosts are not completely in sync, version-wise. As a possible solution, what about putting user accounts under aufs as well? This would have the advantage of allowing for testing how applications update their configuration data, which is also a good idea because this is a common source of bugs. This seems like a good idea, so I second it, because applications often are broken. It might be good to optionally allow /home to be excluded. how about just adding a test user in the overlay that gets removed with the aufs and have the option that application settings can be taken over from an existing user for this account ? ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
hi, Am Dienstag, den 17.03.2009, 18:55 + schrieb Mat Tomaszewski: (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote: Olá Mat e a todos. On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote: - why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel? because gnome, kde, freedesktop all want to reduce the number of stuff on the notification bar. That's great, in principle that sounds like a totally right way to go. Yet at the same time most people raise the need for a precise information about their connection status. One of the things we're debating on now is what the user *really* needs to see on his panel as a persistent indicator. One of the results of this debate is already visible in Jaunty, with messaging indicator aiming to replace all the various icons thrown in by different messaging apps. The next steps will inevitably include the N-M behaviours and icons, and it would be great to hear what the individual views on that are. your system can only use one default route (you can set multiple, but only the last set default one will be used as actual default), the interface this route points to should be the one you show the icon for, additional interfaces should be configurable through the menu (if you change to a different default interface it should indeed change the icon) that way you dont waste panel space for confusing information and show the most relevant info the user needs to know about. ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strawman: remove vendor-specific configuration tools from default install
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 05.03.2009, 16:02 -0500 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: Ubuntu by default includes a Palm Pilot sync tool and an HP printer configuration tool.I'm wondering why we need vendor-specific tools like these in the default install. even though they are vendor specific, they still are opensource and usually provide features the other free tools dont for a specific HW. while i agree that its better to make that functionallity work in the more general tools one should also not forget that we support the effort of these vendors to make and distribute opensource software by including their tools ... the proper way imho would be to talk to the OSS departments of the vendors and convince them to contribute their code to the respective projects and not just exclude them from having their tools distributed, so they see the community honors their effort ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: how to test restricted nvidia drivers on live cd without CAB?
hi, On Mo, 2009-02-16 at 11:51 +, Odysseus Flappington wrote: One trick I've used quite a few times, was to test to see if the nvidia restricted drivers would work on a machine before installing by doing the following: 1) booting a live cd 2) installing the restricted drivers 3) pressing ctrl+alt+backspace to load them Will this be possible in 9.04 without CAB? yes, you should simply log out to get the X server restarted instead of killing it with CAB ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: improving compiled modules of kernel - per-user (was Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29)
hi, On Do, 2009-02-12 at 14:48 +, Scott James Remnant wrote: I'd do something like: - iterate /sys, looking for the devices - track to their drivers (either by looking at what's loaded, or comparing modalias to MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE) isnt that what MODULES=dep in /etc/initramfs.conf does already ? you would only need the - figure out the CONFIG entry - spit out a config parts actually imho ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: FTBFS for xf86-input-evtouch in Jaunty
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.01.2009, 20:42 +0530 schrieb Vishal Rao: Thanks a lot for fixing the package! The package itself worked but I've filed another bug 317127 about the calibrate tool not detecting mouse position. right, more important was to have the package in at all, toffee and flowers need to go to Thomas Jaeger who did an awesome job to fix the build issues :) jaunty is still in open development, so we should be able to shake out the remaining bugs until feature freeze ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: FTBFS for xf86-input-evtouch in Jaunty
hi, Am Dienstag, den 13.01.2009, 10:22 +0530 schrieb Vishal Rao: Hello, I'd filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/312098 a while back about this build failure. So far there's just an automated comment to post output of lspci and Xorg.0.log etc but I'm not sure it's relevant and if a developer/packager might take a look at this. This is touchscreen support for (at least) my HP tx1302au tablet PC and includes a calibration tool in System-Preferences which works very well in Intrepid. I hope it will be available for Jaunty again soon. that sadly wont happen, touchscreens will have t be supported by evdev instead for which we dont have the setup yet, i'm trying to get that going until feature freeze though. xorg dropped many of the header files things like evtouch need to include at compile time, so drivers like this will likely have to vanish in jaunty and be replaced by a new mechanism sitting on top of evdev. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [Fwd: Turn off touchpad while typing]
hi, Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 10:25 -0700 schrieb George Farris: Shouldn't we have this type of thing in the touchpad settings and I would think it should be enabled by default. thats pretty irrelevant now that hal manages all input devices and you dont need to muck about with xorg.conf at all anymore so the dangerous SHMConfig on isnt needed anymore ... hal-set-property should be all you need ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tablet PC under ubuntu
hi, On Mo, 2008-09-29 at 14:16 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Hi, as an user of a tablet pc under ubuntu, I have to say that this distribution can work very well with tablet pcs. Cellwriter and xournal are already there and they are very good. The only problem is that currently in both hardy and intrepid tablet activation requires manual intervention on the xorg.conf file. that wont really work in intrepid anymore as all input devices are supposed to be handled by hal now. i made some progress on teh evtouch driver and will try to extend that for jaunty over all touchscreen and probably also tablet devices, see teh mobile team spec suggestion page [1], if i have a template spec ready for UDS discussion it will be noticed there and will need a lot input from device owners :) ciao oli [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/IntrepidPlusOneSpecSuggestions signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tablet PC under ubuntu
hi, On Mo, 2008-09-29 at 15:20 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Sorry if I misunderstand but does this mean that my tablet will not work in intrepid but only in intrepit+1? If so what should I do in the meantime? Many bugs related to the tablet have ***finally*** been solved in intrepid after two or three releases of waiting so using hardy is a very poor alternative. Please leave a backdoor in this killing machine to make my humble xorg.conf work :) i have no idea how well wacom works currently in intrepid (i own several touchscreen devices and know they suck, but dont have a wacom around. i saw there were some attempts to create the necessary .fdi files for hal to make them work basically but i doubt there will be much opprtunity fo fine tuning and calibration yet) it is an upstream decision of the xorg deveolpers at freedesktop.org to fully switch to hal-input and away from xorg.conf configuration, ubuntu can only try to fix the issues at the distro side, when i sent out a call for lshal output for touchscreens known to work in hardy to assemble the proper hal configs for intrepid i got zero response, when i relesed the ubuntu-mobile image a week ago [1] that generated a landslide of feedback suddenly, though since i only have feedback on evtouch devces yet and beta is due on thursday i dont see a way to support more than evtouch for now ... there will surely be ways to have SRUs for intrepid, especially if it comes to hardware support these are desired, but the core focus in the mobile will be to get all touchscreens and tablets fixed and with proper gui calibration tools in jaunty, not intrepid, since chances are higher that we get feedback and community participation for that. ciao oli [1] http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/announcing-the-first-ubuntu-mobile-image/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tablet PC under ubuntu
hi, On Mo, 2008-09-29 at 16:10 +0200, Loïc Martin wrote: May I know where the call was sent (and where future calls/informations might be sent), since I've been monitoring it was sent to ubuntu-devel on august 19th [1], though it was focused on evtouch specifically, i also mentioned it on my last blog post on planet.ubuntu.com, i saw that there were wacom .fdi files when i looked so was thinking someone already took care of these devices, lets see that we get it working in jaunty and probably backport and SRU at least some preconfigured .fdi files for some general setup so we have something basically working ... if it doesnt yet ... the fact that all input devices are handled by hal with xorg 1.5 was made public quite a while ago upstream, was discussed at the last UDS in some BOFs and there are a bunch of specs for it. i wasnt affiliated wit teh mobile team back then and could for teh above reasons only take care for teh devices i have my hands on, lets just see that we get a better community involvement in jaunty ... ciao oli [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026127.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Kernel Conribuitions
On Mo, 2008-09-22 at 16:12 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: First, I'm sorry for the cross posting, but this subject concerns both areas. I've been attending several distros users meeting this last year, and had my last one at OpenSuse ENOS08 [1]. In every meeting I go, I keep hearing that Ubuntu/Canonical does not help the GNU/Linux ecosystem by providing patchs. Me, and other Ubunteros present, always try to show that that is not true, and show them several examples of what is being done. Just this week, I emailed OpenSuse-pt users list showing an kernel patch example and a possible reason for why they dont see many Ubuntu entries: lots of the Core DEVs use their employer's email, Canonical. Then a user replied back with [2]. As I was reading I noticed the ironic way the writer was using, and I would like to know if this is FUD, or if actually Ubuntu/Canonical FOSS ecosystem is as small as those numbers show. Thanks in advance, and lets keep making the best FOSS OS, the best it can be. [1] http://pt.opensuse.org/Eventos/ENOS [2] http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lpc_2008_keynote.html the agressive canonical bashing greg did was answered in several blog posts [1], [2], [3] and is discussed in a lwn.net thread [4] ciao oli [1] http://mdzlog.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/greg-kh-linux-ecosystem/ [2] http://dustinkirkland.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/whats-behind-gregkhs-latest-rant/ [3] http://mdzlog.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/plumbers-conference-retrospective/ [4] http://lwn.net/Articles/298864/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Full boot in 45s, 3 possible improvements (for Jaunty Jackalope 9.04?)
hi, On Mo, 2008-09-15 at 15:57 +0200, Andre Mussche wrote: But I do not know how to optimize udev/modprobe and gnome? i plan to work on some improved scripts for the modprobe issue in jaunty, what you can do today is to provide a fixed list of modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, that speeds up the probing stuff already ... one (really evil) option that can go hand in hand with such a hardcoded list is to disable /etc/udev/rules.d/90-modprobe.rules in initramfs and enable it later again, that way you can get rid of *all* modprobing at boot (but mind you it really needs a working module list) ... that can gain you massive speedups but indeed makes you lose a lot of flexibility ... (dont do that at home if you dont know what you're doing ) i will write a spec to discuss a possible enhanced profiling mode with something similar for the UDS and will announce it here before mountainview ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
hi, On Do, 2008-09-11 at 22:44 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: Here's my 1:28 bootchart: http://mg.pov.lt/hardy-20080822-1.png There are at most 4 seconds of idle waiting. Hey, I see zope2.9 taking quite a bit of the time (20 seconds). I no longer need that. sudo apt-get remove to the rescue! And here's my 1:09 bootchart: http://mg.pov.lt/hardy-20080822-3.png. It also has zope2.9, but I don't see offhand why it is 20 seconds shorter than the first one. What is that 'exe' process near the start? thats usually the execution bit of the bar above ... in your first bootchart modprobe seems to do some horrible things ... also, do you actually have any hardware that uses restricted drivers ? dropping lrm should gain you some extra time as well if you dont ... the second udevd seems to produce some zombies in both bootcharts ... it would be intresing to see the same boot without mysql, postifix, zope and autofs though ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
hi, On Fr, 2008-09-12 at 09:23 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: You have 25-35 seconds from GRUB till desktop appearing (using autologin)? i have managed 22 already with a not to drastic set of modifications (19 after grub [1] plus the three second grub timeout) with the ten seconds my BIOS takes that even stays below 35 for the complete boot process from hitting power button to see gdm. (the mem=256M you see in the kernel options is there from a different test, it doesnt influence bootspeed) note that this was after using the profile bootoption for readahed though. for jaunty i would like to propose to install bootchart by default during the development cycle with an optional upload function to a central database (with a first login question do you want to participate in the boot profiling project and upload your logged boot data to a central db or some such). that should enable us to identify the slowdowns ... while preload and friends are surely nicely speeding up i think we still have to do our homework first and get the existing stuff into a reasonable shape, you can get to a default of 25-35sec for a generic boot. ciao oli [1] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080523-1.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
hi, On Di, 2008-09-09 at 20:31 +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: Hi Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if the system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. there are a lot of intresting suggestions in this thread, but the biggest change that migh gain us teh most seems to be ignored by everyone ... one very important step we're about to take is to do the final switch from sysvinit scripts to upstart events over the next time, i thought that should be mentioned in this thread since nobody has brought it up yet ... upstart events running from initramfs will gain us a lot in bootspeed dropping the serialized sysvinit scripts will gain us even more, but the transition involved is massively painful due to the sheer amount of existing initscripts. it would be cool to see some community activity here (i.e. a team forming around redoing the scripts in upstart events, doing tests and measurements and publishing bootcharts ...) if the distro team alone does it it will take a lot longer and having help from the community can only speed up ;) ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intrepid compatibility with C3 CPUs
hi, On Mo, 2008-08-18 at 19:31 +0100, Sam Tygier wrote: Hi The current intrepid test releases will not boot on machines with Via C3 CPUs. At boot the message: This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: cmov Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU. it was a bug introduced by merging the 2.6.24 configs from hardy to 2.6.26 in intrepid and is solved in the 2.6.27 builds ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep CONFIG_M586 /boot/config-2.6.26-5-generic # CONFIG_M586 is not set # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep CONFIG_M586 /boot/config-2.6.27-2-generic CONFIG_M586=y # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: kernel module python numpy
hi, On Do, 2008-08-07 at 20:17 +0100, richard wrote: Hi Oli I tried as you suggested, unfortunately it didn't help. thanks for the test though, at least we now know they are not the same issue :) ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: kernel module python numpy
hi, On Do, 2008-08-07 at 00:00 +0200, Sebastian Krause wrote: Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I've asked this question before and not had an answer. The kernel module for this onboard NIC is broken and has been since kernel version 2.6.22 does adding pci=nomsi to your grub line help (i had a similar prob with the RTL8101E whete this setting solved the prob) ? This is actually a known bug in Ubuntu which has been around for quite a while, and finally something seems to happen about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/212497 in 2.6.24 the r8169 driver was switched to use msi, which apparently broke it on various systems. we were actively working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cmpc/+bug/247478 ... if the nomsi setting helps for the above case too this would be a common indicator to fix exactly this area, thats why i asked above if pci=nomsi helps for other cards using this driver as well ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 13:27 -0400 schrieb Bill Filler: Hello, Does anyone know if there is work underway in usplash to support resolutions such as 1024x600 and 1280x800 (without stretching the image), which are proving to be quite common in the netbook space? If not, any hints as to the efforts of adding this support would be appreciated. you can abuse the existing images and squeeze them into the right resolution, i.e. on the classmate i used to have an image that registered itself as 640x480 but was in fact a 640x400 image ... its massively painful to maintain though and indeed breaks the 640x480 default image i guess thats solvable with a *-artwork-usplash-wide package though, that contains the fake resolutions and replaces *-artwork-usplash ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it! you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens ciao oli PS: no need to CC me, i'm subscribed to the list signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 15:04 -0400 schrieb Joe Terranova: you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens Why would it be an oval? it wouldnt if usplash would act like you describe below (which it doesnt) on a 800x600 monitor, an 800x600 black background is generated, and the 300x200 logo overlaid on it (placed accordingly for our startup progress stuff to appear). on a 1280x800 monitor, a 1280x800 black background is generated, and the 300x200 logo overlaid on it. The point is for the logo to stay the same pixel size, regardless of resolution, or at least only grow at the correct ratio; if the ratio of the monitor is different than the ratio of the logo, use a black background to compensate. right, but usplash currently doesnt support overlaid logos, currently you only have the wallpaper (which is a black pic with the logo on it) and the progressbar ... usplash itself tries to display that in a 4:3 format which on a physical wide screen becomes a stretched 16:9 (or 16:10 or whatever phys. size your screen has) picture ... to achieve what you describe usplash needs code changes and someon who actually does them :) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 21:00 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: I'll dig into the code this evening and see what I can find. (Also, Reply to All is better because the people who I am replying to have their names directly in the header.) but it breaks reply to list for everyone using a non broken client as well as sorting by mailinglist headers ... (which means in evolution or thunderbird that your reply ends up in inbox, you need to move it, edit the recipients field etc etc ... its quite painful to reply to you in a way that others can follow the thread and reply again (i could just hit reply to all and not care indeed, but i find it not realy polite to break the communication path for others, so i correct it before sending)) but back on topic :) it would be awesome to have usplash doing more than it does now and would surely be appreciated by all of us if you sent a patch, just make sure that it doesnt break on the arches it runs on now (usplash supporting ppc, amd64 as well as i386 and not break resume was the initial reason to actually write it, else we could use something like splashy which is i386 only ... changing the code in a way that keeps it working on all arches it currently supports and not break suspend/resume alongside makes code changes in it so painful) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: usplash and alternate resolutions
Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 22:20 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones: 2008/7/22 Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-July/thread.html Threading is intact, and the mailing list manager knows when I have Cc'd someone who is already on its list. You don't receive the same email twice for this reason, and if you have filters set up doing crazy things, you should fix those instead. you notice that the threading actually ends after your first post on that webpage and all replies no matter who replied to whom show up as replies to you, right ? ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: pm-utils vs acpi-support
hi, Am Montag, den 14.07.2008, 01:26 +0200 schrieb Przemysław Kulczycki: What's the status of pm-utils in Ubuntu? As far as I can see in Ubuntu Hardy, pm-utils is installed but it's not used by default because acpi-support is still present. When will we drop acpi-support in favour of pm-utils? acpi-support was only shipped to not break existing custom userscripts iirc and will actually largerly be ignored, all system default power management stuff uses pm-utils (look in /etc/pm/ and /usr/lib/pm-utils/ for scripts, overrides etc)... if you want to apply changes, do it there, acpi-scripts are likely to vanish completely in intrepid. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Did we really release 8.04?
hi, Am Montag, den 07.07.2008, 19:42 +0200 schrieb Przemysław Kulczycki: Oliver Grawert pisze: hi, Am Montag, den 07.07.2008, 12:42 +0100 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: * the manual way, rename the source.list hardy mentions to intrepid and do an apt-get dist-update; you know that this is highly discouraged since it wont catch teh special cases update-manager has functions for ? What does update-manager do that apt can't? And why apt doesn't have these features? Commandline/server users also want to have the best upgrade experience possible. so they can use the commandline version ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: absurd: network connection required to obtain a network driver
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 03.07.2008, 20:39 -0400 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:58 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: Also the same problem is for ndiswrapper - it's not on the cd even though it's open source. I'm pretty sure ndiswrapper has been able to be installed using the CD as a repo since Feisty at least. It's not part of the default install, but you can get it off the CD. you still can: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.list http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.list show that both ndisgtk and ndiswrapper are still there on both CDs, you can just install them from CD if you need them... and iirc its like that since breezy. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: absurd: network connection required to obtain a network driver
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 03.07.2008, 16:47 -0400 schrieb Bud Roth: You've identified an issue regarding copies of Ubuntu CDs that, while a valid concern, can be addressed. (I'm a lawyer, not a developer, so that's where my strengths and weaknesses fall.) Broadcom wouldn't agree to let Canonical distribute the network card driver with its CDs if its not even the driver, there are two free driver implementations we ship in the kernel (b43 and bcm43xx), but they both need to use the firmware which you can easily pull off a legally owned Windows or OS X CD with the jockey tool, it specifically offers a file selection option to give it a CD location to pull the firmware from. and if you dont know what firmware is or how to handle it, we even ship two tools on the CD that enable you to use a windows drivers .sys file right away. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Weird downstream Power Manager changes?
hi, Am Dienstag, den 03.06.2008, 07:21 -0700 schrieb Dylan McCall: Power Management Preferences has been needlessly crippled. The sliders to control when the computer sleeps and when the display sleeps all have a lower limit of 21 minutes. do you have gnome-screensaver installed ? thats no downstream patching thats the default behavior if gnome-screenasver has a 20min limit set we never touched that area of either gss or gpm. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug madness: High frequency of load/unload cycles
hi, Am Dienstag, den 13.05.2008, 22:42 +0200 schrieb Milan Bouchet-Valat: Le mardi 13 mai 2008 à 11:22 +0200, Oliver Grawert a écrit : hi, Am Montag, den 12.05.2008, 23:14 +0200 schrieb Milan Bouchet-Valat: I'd like to raise the developers' awareness about bug 59695 [1]: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime please see this article: http://lwn.net/Articles/257426/ it is not aything ubuntu specific but a hardware vendor setting, note as well that the relatime mount option is the default with hardys 2.6.24 kernel. If you think it's been solved with the relatime option in Hardy, then please go there and explain it to the subscribers, and set the bug to Invalid. Don't let people talk again and again about these issues. please read the article again... relatime might help as part of a workaround but the article makes pretty clear that there is no sane way you can solve it on the software side in a nonintrusive way, its a hardware vendor setting and hardware vendors need to fix it. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Got Hardy? With Sound?
hi, Am Freitag, den 28.03.2008, 01:00 +0100 schrieb Jan Claeys: Op vrijdag 28-03-2008 om 09:07 uur [tijdzone +1100], schreef Luke Yelavich: and flash has libflashsupport, which provides pulseaudio output for flash. Does that work on 64-bit systems now? (It didn't work (easily) in gutsy.) libflashsupport was added to the lib32 package, so it should work with nspluginwrapper now. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: VIA/S3G VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] display broken twice
hi, Am Montag, den 31.03.2008, 16:33 +0200 schrieb André Pirard: Hello, Please could something be done to prevent breaking that display adapter twice in a row? i cant see that breakage on any of my thin clients that are CLE266 based here with hardy (and i didnt with any of the former releases) ... whats the rest of your HW specs ? its not mentioned in the bug, there might be a kernel bug with the framebuffer driver (seems my devices here dont use it but i got a report yesterday about someone having a similar issue, can you confirm you see the same memory size detection failed message as in bug [1] ?) ciao oli [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/208137 signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: How to include a part of Wine ... why include wine at all?
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 13.02.2008, 17:53 -0500 schrieb Daniel Hollocher: I have a different but related question: why is a wine package included in the Ubuntu repositories at all? would your mother (want to) know how to add a sourcees.list entry etc ? I understand that much of ubuntu software is upgraded on a 6 month basis to ensure compatibility, but why include wine in that process when the wine devs are probably doing a better job? the wine devs work closely with our wine maintainer, if you look at ubuntus release schedule you will find that one half of the release cycle time is dedicated to development/integration and another (usually the complete second half) to stabilization and bugfixing. beyond its own bugs software tends to have bugs caused by interaction with other software. due to the fact that it was tested intensely you can give some guarantees (this app/software was tested in version x.y.z to work with all the other versions shipped in ubuntu etc) if you do a release a week you cant give that quality guarantee since you simply dont have the time to test as many cases as you can in three months. so as long as software upstreams dont follow the same release schedule having a stable and tested package of their software in the archive is the best way you can go to make sure to hold a certain QA level. i agree that your mother should have an easy way to add repos if she wants to go beyod that path and needs the latest and gratest though, but that wont change ubuntus quality expectations :) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Main inclusion for transmission, vinagre and cheese
hi, On Di, 2008-01-15 at 14:13 +0100, Wouter Stomp wrote: Hello, After it was decided that ubuntu would ship transmission and vinagre in hardy, these were directly moved from universe to main. Cheese is also new in main. I couldn't find main inclusion reports for these packages. Even though it is already decided to go with these programs, shouldn't these programs go through the usual main inclusion process first? yes, especially since the missing deps for vinagre now break the metapackages and daily builds (i.e. libgtk-vnc in case of vinagre) ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: apt-cacher in main
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 15.11.2007, 22:59 + schrieb Matt Zimmerman: On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:05:01PM +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote: in edubuntu we face the fact that governments and schools start rolling out really huge deployments in the near future (see macedonia with a total of 185000 systems for example), if you maintain 5000 seats in one school or 1 in one municipality it comes in pretty handy to have an apt-cacher in your network to not saturate your internet connection for updates. so i'd like to second the main inclusion. We should be wary of both a) jumping from broad requirements (large deployments would benefit from local redistribution of updates) to actions (let's put apt-cacher in main) and b) focusing too much on niche use cases when there are issues facing a large number of users which need to be addressed. i think the huge deployments are a fact and we will see more of them (especially in the edu sector). while i agree that we should review other options as well, it seems that apt-cacher is a tool already used by many of our users and apparently it even made its way through support requests onto this list :) without knowing technical drawbacks/advantages of the other tools i'd say its a good candidate from a give users what they ask for POV (i know many of the existing bigger edubuntu setups use it today to save bandwith). searching for package proxy solutions in apt-cache reveals: approx - caching proxy server for Debian archive files apt-cacher - caching proxy system for Debian package and source files apt-proxy - Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder does anyone know more tools like the above ones that fulfill the same need so we can take a look at them as well ? would a general proxy solution that includes .deb caching as well a better way to address the task ? ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: apt-cacher in main
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.11.2007, 11:38 -0500 schrieb Fabian Rodriguez: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 (not sure if this made it so re-sending) it did :) Hi, I'd like to propose moving apt-cacher to main. I haven't done main inclusion reports before so bear with me while I dive into this :) in edubuntu we face the fact that governments and schools start rolling out really huge deployments in the near future (see macedonia with a total of 185000 systems for example), if you maintain 5000 seats in one school or 1 in one municipality it comes in pretty handy to have an apt-cacher in your network to not saturate your internet connection for updates. so i'd like to second the main inclusion. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2007, 10:49 +0200 schrieb Waldemar Kornewald: What about my alternative suggestion? It would still run fsck, but at the same time be less annoying or not disturbing at all. not wsure if you ever ran fsck manually, but you have to unmount the partition you check or at least mount it readonly ... so no matter how far you will background it you wont be able to work while it runs ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2007, 12:04 +0200 schrieb Dominik Wagenfuehr: My point was that if you give people lots of choice they don't know what to choose. I know. :) But currently you have no choice at all with Ubuntu installation (concerning software installation). Or am I wrong? if you have one of the 20-50 chipsets supporting compiz out of the box properly you have the choice to disable it in the appearance capplet ... if you dont have such a chipset you dont have the choice indeed since compiz will simply not find the composite extension and wont start :) out of four laptops, three desktop machines and about 20 thin clients i have two here where it works flawless, on all others it's properly and automatically disabled. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Support for multimedia/internet keyboards
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 11:54 +0200 schrieb Pascal De Vuyst: Currently Ubuntu provides no out of the box support for the extra multimedia or internet keys on desktop keyboards. all five different multimedia keyboards i own are supported out of the box, volume and brightness control keys on my laptops are working fine as well. did you look in launchpad if your specific model has a bug probably ? ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
