Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
All: Thank you for your excellent suggestions, and thoughts about local hosting companies. The main reason I wanted a local company was to keep the money local as that is part of the Vermont ethic. That being said, it is very clearly an economy of scale problem. Virtualization goes a long way towards reducing that scale issue, I must say. It appears that slicehost is at the top of the heap here. (I really love that I can choose my distro!) Thanks again Vaguers! have a day.yad jdpf
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
Hi: I was going to stay off this thread as I know of no local datacenter providers; but after taking a peek at www.slicehost.com I'm curious why it makes top choice? Virtualized hosting has been around for some time. I can understand the appeal of not having to manage all the resources while retaining extensibility, some control, and admin access. But the pricing at slicehost is more expensive than many virt hosters and for only a few dollars more you can get real iron, w/lotsa IP addresses, your own NIC, lots more storage/throughput benes, AND the ability to slice up your own host(s)! I currently use rackmounted, have used serverbeach (reduced-cost rackmounted spinoff) and John's company; all w/out downtime or complaints (by and large). I suppose for personal consumption, a vhost solution would be fine, but If I was re-selling or hosting my own domains, I think I'd prefer my own dedicated hosts in the long run. What counter-arguments would make a virtual slice more attractive besides costing 20/month less? Rion On Monday 23 March 2009, jonathan d p ferguson wrote: All: Thank you for your excellent suggestions, and thoughts about local hosting companies. The main reason I wanted a local company was to keep the money local as that is part of the Vermont ethic. That being said, it is very clearly an economy of scale problem. Virtualization goes a long way towards reducing that scale issue, I must say. It appears that slicehost is at the top of the heap here. (I really love that I can choose my distro!) Thanks again Vaguers! have a day.yad jdpf signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
A challenger appears... http://www.dyndns.com/services/springserver/ Dynamic Network Services is based in New Hampshire. Might be as local as you can get. :] ~k On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 15:23 -0400, jonathan d p ferguson wrote: All: Thank you for your excellent suggestions, and thoughts about local hosting companies. The main reason I wanted a local company was to keep the money local as that is part of the Vermont ethic. That being said, it is very clearly an economy of scale problem. Virtualization goes a long way towards reducing that scale issue, I must say. It appears that slicehost is at the top of the heap here. (I really love that I can choose my distro!) Thanks again Vaguers! have a day.yad jdpf
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
If you are considering hosting your own, there's a handful of quasi-public facilities in the state. Some providers may sell space on a per-U basis for the smaller customers, especially if you are looking for a slim platform. We (TelJet) is not offering any hosted or managed services (we're construction and IP guys), but looking for shops who want to host services in Vermont and do business using our 100% VT owned and operated network and facilities. I'm recovering from an IT career hangover and keeping us _away_ from hosting servers... someone else with more skill/patience/panache can do this better then we can. -D On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Rion D'Luz riond...@gmail.com wrote: Hi: I was going to stay off this thread as I know of no local datacenter providers; but after taking a peek at www.slicehost.com I'm curious why it makes top choice?
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
http://www.dyndns.com/services/springserver/ Dynamic Network Services is based in New Hampshire. Might be as local as you can get. :] This was a few years ago, but Waitsfield and Champlain Valley Telecom was doing a bit of hosting out of the attic of their Hinesburg Offices. When I toured their facility they had about a dozen servers all sharing a T1... They were willing to let us put our server in their facility, or share one of their existing boxes. The only problem is that they don't have 24 hour service. If you need a reboot, you might have to wait until Monday morning. -Jim
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009/03/22 3:59 PM, Mike Raley wrote: Is this something where a local Co-op model might be an efficient way to go? Find some friends to go Dutch on a used box (with some new HDs) and colocation fees at a local shop, then carve it up with [Xen|Virtual Box|etc.] into VPSes. I recommend ClearBearing[1]. Note: I used to own a significant chunk of ClearBearing, so I'm biased in that way, but that also means I know a little about the business. To wit: 1) They actually do have their own datacenter in Burlington. On 2009/03/22 4:17 PM, Bradley Holt wrote: Data centers are massive energy hogs and I would imagine that there's a certain level of energy efficiency in bigger data centers vs. small, local, colos. I'd make the argument your making much less of an impact on resource usage by going with a bigger data center. 2) The converse of that holds true: Subscribing to a smaller, local datacenter's services helps to reduce any such inefficiencies. Read: Using a larger, consolidated datacenter in hopes of making a greener choice nigh-on guarantees that local datacenters will never achieve green levels of efficiency. Yes, adding a box increases their power consumption slightly, but that's minuscule compared to the energy used for cooling. Until they run out of physical space (and need to increase square footage and, thereby, cooling), GMA's and CB's datacenters only get more efficient with every physical host added. Keep in mind that most local hosting providers are simply reselling a non-local service. 3) See #1, above. ;-) (Last I knew, however, they'd also resell some out-of-state colo services to you, if that's your preference.) FWIW, some buddies and I just procured a used HP rack server with 2 x 2.8GHz Opterons with 4GB and a 160GB HD for under $200.00. With a few extra bucks, it now has RAID1 and 8GB of RAM, and is about to play host to six Xen domUs, which it thusfar handles with aplomb. And when it's time to increase storage capacity, it won't be something that requires the sort of complex, delicate dance you'd have to do if physical access to the box is prohibitively-costly: I'll just drive a few new HDs down to ClearBearing, and bribe the doorwarden with the appropriate malted beverages... Cheers, - -sth [1] http://www.clearbearing.com sam hooker|s...@noiseplant.com|http://www.noiseplant.com I have received the love Internet dispatch. -spam -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknIRPoACgkQX8KByLv3aQ1ekQCdHnhrBtDmZdyFm4Ey86yCTrBD rvcAoJ1EAsdFppCDCM1yZHcWrwWamW49 =cvEF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
Hi, On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:51:44PM -0400, jonathan d p ferguson wrote: I'm looking for a Vermont based web hosting provider. Any suggestions? Ideally, they'd offer Debian GNU/Linux, but I don't really care as long as it is some manner of Unix. Given the recent demise of Silicon Dairy, what are the options for a Vermonter hosting provider? I'm looking for basic web services, SSL encrypted email access (HTTP/S and IMAP/SMTP), real root shell access, good up-times and fast Internet access. I've been very frustrated with the likes of CPanel and PLESK--- as they do not allow for easy package installations. Advice? Why limit yourself to local options? FWIW, I've had a great experience with Web Faction for shared hosting and Slicehost for VPS hosting. -Forest -- Forest Bond http://www.alittletooquiet.net http://www.pytagsfs.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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hi On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Forest Bond wrote: Why limit yourself to local options? Because it is the Vermont way. :-) Local business to local business. Locally owned, locally served, organic Internet. Well, you get the idea. FWIW, I've had a great experience with Web Faction for shared hosting and Slicehost for VPS hosting. Thanks, I'll check into those options. have a day.yad jdpf
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ya know, I've often thought about running my own hosting business on the side, virtual hosts, on a monthly fee through some of the local colo and ISPs. It's the economic inability to compete with the non local providers which has stopped me. Is this something where a local Co-op model might be an efficient way to go? Is there enough of a buy local segment in the local IT people to make something like this work? Mike On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Forest Bond wrote: Why limit yourself to local options? Because it is the Vermont way. :-) Local business to local business. Locally owned, locally served, organic Internet. Well, you get the idea.
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
I will second, third and fourth slicehost. I have a few slices, ranging from small to developer size. Not one compliant thus far. I typically do a LOT of complaining, but there seems to be nothing to complain about with slicehost. FWIW - Slicehost was purchased by RackShit...er..RackSpace last year sometime. I would rather not work with a RackSpace Company but slicehost's services are solid, support is great. HTH cya ~k On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 14:59 -0400, Forest Bond wrote: Hi, On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:51:44PM -0400, jonathan d p ferguson wrote: I'm looking for a Vermont based web hosting provider. Any suggestions? Ideally, they'd offer Debian GNU/Linux, but I don't really care as long as it is some manner of Unix. Given the recent demise of Silicon Dairy, what are the options for a Vermonter hosting provider? I'm looking for basic web services, SSL encrypted email access (HTTP/S and IMAP/SMTP), real root shell access, good up-times and fast Internet access. I've been very frustrated with the likes of CPanel and PLESK--- as they do not allow for easy package installations. Advice? Why limit yourself to local options? FWIW, I've had a great experience with Web Faction for shared hosting and Slicehost for VPS hosting. -Forest
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There is a local ISP in Bellows Falls (Sovernet) you might want to get in touch with -- except their rates for colo-servers (last time I checked) were more expensive than someone like RackSpace or ServInt (I have 3 server w/ ServInt and love them!). Back when I was doing some work with Rene I had a box at LayeredTech (They were hosted with Savvis in Texas, but they are moving to a more budget provider) that was decent ($40-$50/m for a dedicated box w/ lots of bandwidth) -- but service was so/so. Outside of that -- there are a mirriad of small companies who do one-off hosting -- but you pay more, and get less bang for your buck than you would at a commercial host. Its simply economy of scale unfortunately. Buying local in my previous searches ment 400% higher base cost typically. Stan On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Mike Raley mrale...@yahoo.com wrote: ya know, I've often thought about running my own hosting business on the side, virtual hosts, on a monthly fee through some of the local colo and ISPs. It's the economic inability to compete with the non local providers which has stopped me. Is this something where a local Co-op model might be an efficient way to go? Is there enough of a buy local segment in the local IT people to make something like this work? Mike On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Forest Bond wrote: Why limit yourself to local options? Because it is the Vermont way. :-) Local business to local business. Locally owned, locally served, organic Internet. Well, you get the idea.
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:09 PM, H. Kurth Bemis ku...@kurthbemis.comwrote: I will second, third and fourth slicehost. I do work with two clients who have slicehost -- and being able to buy 1/8th a machine and migrate seamlessly to 1/4th or 1/2 has been amazing. They have great customer service and their prices are very competitive. Stan
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
I'm generally a proponent of buying local, but I'm not sure how much sense it makes to go with a local web hosting provider. Why is it you're looking for local? The typical reasons include reduced cost/impact for distribution and/or keeping money locally. Buying local web hosting does absolutely nothing on the distribution front. Perhaps if the majority of your site visitors are local you could make some argument that a few electrons are saved, but that's one heck of a stretch in imagination. Data centers are massive energy hogs and I would imagine that there's a certain level of energy efficiency in bigger data centers vs. small, local, colos. I'd make the argument your making much less of an impact on resource usage by going with a bigger data center. Keep in mind that most local hosting providers are simply reselling a non-local service. In fact, this is what our company does: we resell Rackspace's Mosso cloud hosting service. We've been with them for a few years now and have been pretty happy with the service. You don't get a server so much as a hosting infrastructure that can grow or shrink in capacity as you need it. Thanks, Bradley On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Mike Raley mrale...@yahoo.com wrote: ya know, I've often thought about running my own hosting business on the side, virtual hosts, on a monthly fee through some of the local colo and ISPs. It's the economic inability to compete with the non local providers which has stopped me. Is this something where a local Co-op model might be an efficient way to go? Is there enough of a buy local segment in the local IT people to make something like this work? Mike On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Forest Bond wrote: Why limit yourself to local options? Because it is the Vermont way. :-) Local business to local business. Locally owned, locally served, organic Internet. Well, you get the idea. -- http://bradley-holt.blogspot.com/
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Well, I've actually done the hosting thing in a past life and I have to tell you that it is a thankless job. Wearing a page 24x7x365 is not exactly exciting. Getting up at 2:00 AM to drive into the NOC to correct a problem in order to fulfill your Service Level Agreement and not lose revenue can be challenging. I've had times when I had to work 36 hours straight to pull off a major upgrade that went south on us due to small variables that nobody had realized would be critical. So when I moved back home from the greater Boston area I looked around for someone else within the state that could offer a hosting service on Linux servers that provided a lot of flexibility, no pager headaches, and a reasonable price so that I could have a place to serve my client's websites from. The sad part is that I found no local business that met the requirements. Because of the nature of the work hosting is definitely one of those things that becomes much cheaper per customer as you scale up. So I ended up using a Linux hosting company out of Utah that is not even remotely associated with RackSpace (I had a client that used them and suffered from terrible service.) So I got myself setup as a hosting reseller and that has worked out very well for me. I can do the admin that I need to on the servers and they take care of the rest. To make Mike's idea work you'd need to secure hundreds of customers (or more) and have a significant sized facility with generator backup, redundant high bandwidth connections, and a crew of at least 9 operations personnel to provide round the clock monitoring and support. That's a very significant investment. I don't know if it could be made to work since, as Mike points out, there is strong competition from non-local providers and to a large extent the physical location of hosting servers is becoming less relevant as time goes on. Dan Mike Raley wrote: ya know, I've often thought about running my own hosting business on the side, virtual hosts, on a monthly fee through some of the local colo and ISPs. It's the economic inability to compete with the non local providers which has stopped me. Is this something where a local Co-op model might be an efficient way to go? Is there enough of a buy local segment in the local IT people to make something like this work? Mike On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Forest Bond wrote: Why limit yourself to local options? Because it is the Vermont way. :-) Local business to local business. Locally owned, locally served, organic Internet. Well, you get the idea.
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
FYI Sovernet might not qualify as local, or even Vermont based anymore From Google: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3675/is_200602/ai_n17179867 ~k On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 16:11 -0400, Stanley Brinkerhoff wrote: There is a local ISP in Bellows Falls (Sovernet) you might want to get in touch with -- except their rates for colo-servers (last time I checked) were more expensive than someone like RackSpace or ServInt (I have 3 server w/ ServInt and love them!). Back when I was doing some work with Rene I had a box at LayeredTech (They were hosted with Savvis in Texas, but they are moving to a more budget provider) that was decent ($40-$50/m for a dedicated box w/ lots of bandwidth) -- but service was so/so. Outside of that -- there are a mirriad of small companies who do one-off hosting -- but you pay more, and get less bang for your buck than you would at a commercial host. Its simply economy of scale unfortunately. Buying local in my previous searches ment 400% higher base cost typically. Stan On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Mike Raley mrale...@yahoo.com wrote: ya know, I've often thought about running my own hosting business on the side, virtual hosts, on a monthly fee through some of the local colo and ISPs. It's the economic inability to compete with the non local providers which has stopped me. Is this something where a local Co-op model might be an efficient way to go? Is there enough of a buy local segment in the local IT people to make something like this work? Mike On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Forest Bond wrote: Why limit yourself to local options? Because it is the Vermont way. :-) Local business to local business. Locally owned, locally served, organic Internet. Well, you get the idea.
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
While physical location of the hosting is of little relevance to the hosting customers, it is important to the hosting services themselves. Microsoft and Google are both buying land to build data centers in the Columbia River valley up near Portland because of the availability of cheap, dependable hydro power. Access to cheap power is another thing that improves with scale and is a barrier to local/co-op hosting businesses. Rene Dan Coutu wrote: To make Mike's idea work you'd need to secure hundreds of customers (or more) and have a significant sized facility with generator backup, redundant high bandwidth connections, and a crew of at least 9 operations personnel to provide round the clock monitoring and support. That's a very significant investment. I don't know if it could be made to work since, as Mike points out, there is strong competition from non-local providers and to a large extent the physical location of hosting servers is becoming less relevant as time goes on. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= René Churchill r...@wherezit.com Geek Two 802-244-7880 x527 Your Source for Local Information http://www.wherezit.com
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I'm getting the feeling that the underlying issues around buy local are still at work, but due to the unique nature of hosting, in a different way. To me at least buy local means support the local economy, and lower externalized and hidden costs. If you have a remote (say california, texas, etc) colo it's not local, but they have economy of scale, lower externalized costs than local (say being close to power, major peering points, etc), and if you go through a local reseller, you are keeping at least some of your dollars local, plus, it keeps the massive power generation (and it's associated negatives) centralized. I've take a few interesting bits from this discussion (some of which I already knew) 1) localized hosting is a dead end business idea unless you have a unique value added proposition, or major number of customers! (already knew) 2) There is little to no interest in local hosting in the area. Economies of scale, and the benefits they bring are just too tantalizing (guessed, but had no clear data) 3) Using something like slice host through a resller, works fairly well as a hybrid between buy local and getting the best bang for your buck! So, who are the local resllers? :) Mike --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Rene Churchill r...@wherezit.com wrote: From: Rene Churchill r...@wherezit.com Subject: Re: Vermont Hosting Providers To: VAGUE@LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 5:07 PM While physical location of the hosting is of little relevance to the hosting customers, it is important to the hosting services themselves. Microsoft and Google are both buying land to build data centers in the Columbia River valley up near Portland because of the availability of cheap, dependable hydro power. Access to cheap power is another thing that improves with scale and is a barrier to local/co-op hosting businesses. Rene Dan Coutu wrote: To make Mike's idea work you'd need to secure hundreds of customers (or more) and have a significant sized facility with generator backup, redundant high bandwidth connections, and a crew of at least 9 operations personnel to provide round the clock monitoring and support. That's a very significant investment. I don't know if it could be made to work since, as Mike points out, there is strong competition from non-local providers and to a large extent the physical location of hosting servers is becoming less relevant as time goes on. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= René Churchill r...@wherezit.com Geek Two 802-244-7880 x527 Your Source for Local Information http://www.wherezit.com
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
Mike, On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Mike Raley mrale...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm getting the feeling that the underlying issues around buy local are still at work, but due to the unique nature of hosting, in a different way. To me at least buy local means support the local economy, and lower externalized and hidden costs. If you have a remote (say california, texas, etc) colo it's not local, but they have economy of scale, lower externalized costs than local (say being close to power, major peering points, etc), and if you go through a local reseller, you are keeping at least some of your dollars local, plus, it keeps the massive power generation (and it's associated negatives) centralized. I've take a few interesting bits from this discussion (some of which I already knew) 1) localized hosting is a dead end business idea unless you have a unique value added proposition, or major number of customers! (already knew) 2) There is little to no interest in local hosting in the area. Economies of scale, and the benefits they bring are just too tantalizing (guessed, but had no clear data) 3) Using something like slice host through a resller, works fairly well as a hybrid between buy local and getting the best bang for your buck! So, who are the local resllers? :) As I said earlier, we're a Mosso (now The Rackspace Cloud) reseller and have been for years: http://www.foundline.com/services/web-hosting/ It's really intended for our clients who also use us for web development and design, but we'd be happy to sell to people who just need web hosting ;-) Thanks, Bradley Mike --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Rene Churchill r...@wherezit.com wrote: From: Rene Churchill r...@wherezit.com Subject: Re: Vermont Hosting Providers To: VAGUE@LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 5:07 PM While physical location of the hosting is of little relevance to the hosting customers, it is important to the hosting services themselves. Microsoft and Google are both buying land to build data centers in the Columbia River valley up near Portland because of the availability of cheap, dependable hydro power. Access to cheap power is another thing that improves with scale and is a barrier to local/co-op hosting businesses. Rene Dan Coutu wrote: To make Mike's idea work you'd need to secure hundreds of customers (or more) and have a significant sized facility with generator backup, redundant high bandwidth connections, and a crew of at least 9 operations personnel to provide round the clock monitoring and support. That's a very significant investment. I don't know if it could be made to work since, as Mike points out, there is strong competition from non-local providers and to a large extent the physical location of hosting servers is becoming less relevant as time goes on. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= René Churchill r...@wherezit.com Geek Two 802-244-7880 x527 Your Source for Local Information http://www.wherezit.com -- http://bradley-holt.blogspot.com/
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
Mike, I'm not a slicehost reseller if that's what you're asking. If that's not what you're asking but instead are asking in general about resellers then I'd be happy to chat offline about what I can provide for support, service, and pricing based on what you need. In case it matters to folks as useful background I've been using Linux since 1994, the very early days. Jon 'Maddog' Hall used to be both a neighbor and coworker. I worked in Digital's Unix engineering group for 8 years prior to making the switch to Linux. So I've been around and know a thing or two about Linux. Dan Mike Raley wrote: I'm getting the feeling that the underlying issues around buy local are still at work, but due to the unique nature of hosting, in a different way. To me at least buy local means support the local economy, and lower externalized and hidden costs. If you have a remote (say california, texas, etc) colo it's not local, but they have economy of scale, lower externalized costs than local (say being close to power, major peering points, etc), and if you go through a local reseller, you are keeping at least some of your dollars local, plus, it keeps the massive power generation (and it's associated negatives) centralized. I've take a few interesting bits from this discussion (some of which I already knew) 1) localized hosting is a dead end business idea unless you have a unique value added proposition, or major number of customers! (already knew) 2) There is little to no interest in local hosting in the area. Economies of scale, and the benefits they bring are just too tantalizing (guessed, but had no clear data) 3) Using something like slice host through a resller, works fairly well as a hybrid between buy local and getting the best bang for your buck! So, who are the local resllers? :) Mike --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Rene Churchill r...@wherezit.com wrote: From: Rene Churchill r...@wherezit.com Subject: Re: Vermont Hosting Providers To: VAGUE@LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 5:07 PM While physical location of the hosting is of little relevance to the hosting customers, it is important to the hosting services themselves. Microsoft and Google are both buying land to build data centers in the Columbia River valley up near Portland because of the availability of cheap, dependable hydro power. Access to cheap power is another thing that improves with scale and is a barrier to local/co-op hosting businesses. Rene Dan Coutu wrote: To make Mike's idea work you'd need to secure hundreds of customers (or more) and have a significant sized facility with generator backup, redundant high bandwidth connections, and a crew of at least 9 operations personnel to provide round the clock monitoring and support. That's a very significant investment. I don't know if it could be made to work since, as Mike points out, there is strong competition from non-local providers and to a large extent the physical location of hosting servers is becoming less relevant as time goes on. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= René Churchill r...@wherezit.com Geek Two 802-244-7880 x527 Your Source for Local Information http://www.wherezit.com
Re: Vermont Hosting Providers
Dear Jonathan, You would think that with the Vermont disposition for cloudiness (think grey - then look up :^) clouds would be available here... Maybe we need some rainmakers Regards, Flint On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, jonathan d p ferguson wrote: Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:38:27 -0400 From: jonathan d p ferguson j...@sunforge.com Reply-To: Vermont Area Group of Unix Enthusiasts VAGUE@list.uvm.edu To: VAGUE@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: Vermont Hosting Providers hi On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Forest Bond wrote: Why limit yourself to local options? Because it is the Vermont way. :-) Local business to local business. Locally owned, locally served, organic Internet. Well, you get the idea. FWIW, I've had a great experience with Web Faction for shared hosting and Slicehost for VPS hosting. Thanks, I'll check into those options. have a day.yad jdpf Kindest Regards, Paul Flint (802) 479-2360 / Based upon email reliability concerns, please send an acknowledgment in response to this note. Paul Flint Barre Open Systems Institute 17 Averill Street Barre, VT 05641 http://www.bosivt.org http://www.flint.com/home skype: flintinfotech Work: (202) 537-0480 Consilium _ gratuitum.~. ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) valet/V\ against HTML e-mail X quanti /( )\ www.asciiribbon.org / \ numerantur ^^-^^
