RE: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

A good electric power meter that measures in watt /second should identify  an 
unusually  low measurement compared to a comparable light with similar 
luminosity.  If  a low power is detected an additional search  for a
  rechargeable battery is warranted.

Ordering agreements. which disallow  such testing, may exist to  stymie   
design understanding and revelation of SK1 trade secrets.

Reverse engineering COVID vaccination drugs may be easier than SK1.  
reengineering.

IMHO the World Trade Organization (WTO) should not legally  protect 
intellectual property ({P)  which is reasonably expected to protect the health, 
 safety or welfare of individuals in 2 or more countries  within WTO purview or 
 IP that is pertinent to management of the environment in two or more countries.


Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

Is this device looking like a repackaged HID lamp?

Time will tell ...

Re: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

[Jones Beene]

> Is this device looking like a repackaged HID lamp?
Curiously, it could still be gainful - which is not clear from the data. 

BTW the operational data was supplied by the genius - Levi - deja vu all over 
again.


OK - if we are not in some strange time warp, this collection of details begs 
the all-important question - how efficient is the lamp, really?
A quick googling suggests these lamps can be very efficient especially in 
specialty applications, IF radioactive materials are used.
Wiki-the-wise states: Some HID lamps make use of thorium and krypton-85 ! 
Krypton-85 is a gas and is mixed with argon, which is in the arc tube of the 
lamp. The thorium is used in the electrodes.  Notably ionized argon is a Mills 
catalyst, which could make this a hybrid LENR device if it does test out to be 
gainful.

Wiki: These isotopes produce ionizing radiation of alpha and beta type. This 
radiation causes high ionization inside the lamp without being able to escape 
from the lamp.[5] High ionisation makes arc starting via Townsend avalanche 
much easier. Moreover, the presence of thorium in electrodes reduces the work 
function which again results in easier arc starting and sustaining.The amount 
of gamma radiation produced by the isotopes that can escape from the lamp is 
negligible.[5]
 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

[Jones Beene]

Is this device looking like a repackaged HID lamp?
Time will tell ...

  

Re: [Vo]:ROSSI SKEPTICAL COMMENT

[Axil Axil]

Your referenced article is replete with invalid assumptions. Based on my
current understanding of the Rossi reaction. most of the energy that is
generated by the E-Cat now comes from the extraction of energy from the
vacuum via Hawking radiation. The transmutation of matter if any is a
nuisance side reaction that contributes little if any energy to the energy
output of the E-Cat.

Rossi is wrong to assume that the temperature of his plasma can be derived
from black body thermal calculations. The spectrum of the E-cat is now much
like what R. Mills has claims is being generated by the SunCell with most
coming from the EUV range. Rossi has said the this spectrum ranges between
100 and 200 nm.

Recently. to support my claim that transmutation is not energy generation
productive, in the post titled "*LENR transmutation may be subject to
quantum mechanical superposition,*" I reference the production of
ferrosilicon in India as an example of massive transmutation with little if
no excess energy production.

See

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:40 AM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> See the following link for a renewed skepticism regarding reality of LENR
> focused on Rossi’s reactor.
>
>
>
> *https://skepticalinquirer.org/2019/05/further-comments-on-e-cat-claims/
> *
>
>
>
> IMHO it would be  nice for the  skeptic’s review to address current
> happenings (like Rossi’s January 2019 paper on the theory behind LENR
> phenomena) instead of  inferences regarding Rossi’s old legal issues in
> Italy  that were in-the-end  found to be trumped-up .
>
>
>
> It occurs to me  there is a “live horse”  being beat in desperation, to
> maintain one’s skeptical image.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi skeptical commentary--

[Ron Kita]

A..our bookstore...has copies of the Skeptical Inquirer...I merely read
the "pathetic contents".
I am not sure anybody would want to buy it.  I think folks who are
basically jealous of the  innovative.
I don t see anybody with a creative mind..even wanting to get close to this
magazine. Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex-G-Mod
US8901943

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:34 AM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> See the following link for a renewed skepticism regarding reality of LENR
> focused on Rossi’s reactor.
>
>
>
> *https://skepticalinquirer.org/2019/05/further-comments-on-e-cat-claims/
> *
>
>
>
> IMHO it would be  nice for the  skeptic’s review to address current
> happenings (like Rossi’s January 2019 paper on the theory behind LENR
> phenomena) instead of  inferences regarding Rossi’s old legal issues in
> Italy  that were in-the-end  found to be trumped-up .
>
>
>
> It occurs to me  there is a “live horse”  being beat in desperation, to
> maintain one’s skeptical image.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Brian—

I reviewed your reference document that Jones identified.

The potential energy wells for the linear field and non-linear electric fields 
in a
Quantum system are what I would expect in a one dimensional approximation.

However, keep in mind that a local B magnetic field at the location of the 
potential well in a coherent system will cause what is referred to as a 
degenerate system of energy states with additional potential wells at the 
location of the original potential well.  This causes a more restricted area 
where a charge in the area of the potential is allowed to exist.  The 
probability of finding a charge at certain locations is increased.  As the 
charge density increases within a given space, probability of 2 charges getting 
close with effective boundaries over lapping increases as would the likelihood 
of LENR.

If Li-7 and H were in the same potential well, Be-8 may occur with the 
generation of 2 alphas in a subsequent spontaneous fission reaction, which I 
would not classify as a LENR reaction given the high linear momentum of the 
alphas.  However the initial Li-H reaction would be a LENR reaction, since 
there was little or no linear momentum of the of the reactants available to 
initiate the reaction.

Some of the recent theories identified here on Vortex that predict attractive 
forces between like charges at close center-to-center distances may be 
operative in LENR.  Of course the Cooper--pairing  of like charges in a 
magnetic field may also be an effect that initiates LENR in a lattice with 
extreme B fields.  Resonant variation of the B field intensity may improve 
chances of LENR by effecting the overlap of adjacent nucleons.

Metals with high magnetic susceptibility will produce greater  B fields to 
cause a more extreme degeneracy in a potential well as discussed above.

Bob Cook

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From: Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 1:14:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


Earlier today Jones referenced my work on energy localization and nanomagnetism 
as a potential explanation for the Manelas device operation,


I never considered that inputing 2 of the three windings around the ferrite 
core could result in a superwave condition.  That makes so much sense. Why 
didn't I think of it.


I wondered how Arthur developed fast rise time pulses with so much inductance.


As usual, I welcome suggestions.



From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


I agree with the idea of adding a dimension to Holmlid’s laser setup—may be 
expensive however, since lasers with the appropriate frequency may be necessary 
to get good coupling.  Given known quadrupole magnetic moments in various data 
sources for the stable (and unstable} Ni nucleons, picking design parameters 
for the lasers may be easy.



The objective should be to stimulate a target Ni nucleus to a meta stable 
energy spin state, which then is allowed to decay—given the lattice 
coupling---to a new lower potential energy spin state.



This scheme of transmutation of radioactive waste was proposed as an 
alternative in the DOE’s nuclear waste management EIS of the mid 1970’s—1976 as 
I recall.  It was one of several different options considered at that time.   
However, it was dismissed because the necessary technology was not available to 
accomplish the desired stimulation the radioactive waste.  This situation has 
changed with subsequent development of lasers of most any frequency desired.



Two lasers, if in resonance, may provide magnetic quadrupole coupling necessary 
to unlock the potential energy of Ni nucleons of a coherent lattice, just as in 
the Letts-Cravens Pd system.



Conserving linear momentum is not an issue, since the system is not stimulated 
with high linear momentum particles, as is the case in simple two-body nuclear 
interactions.  Thus ionizing radiation is absent, as is the case with LENR.  
Only angular momentum (and total energy) are conserved in an LENR process IMHO.





Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio





I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.



AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.



Perhaps he should superwave it ?



Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?









Why superwaves?



A known mechanism for wave amplificat

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[mixent]

In reply to  mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:33:57 +1100:
Hi,

PS - I think this is what I recollect reading some time ago:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Specific_Impulse_Magnetoplasma_Rocket
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 2 Dec 2017 07:01:42 -0700:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Hi Robin,  Can you supply a link?  The only thing I can find with ion
>thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from
>striking the side walls.  I didn't find anything that suggests that a
>magnetic field can turn high energy ion trajectories from an
>omnidirectional source into unidirectional thrust.  Magnetic fields only
>make the ion path curl.
>
>BH
This appears to be relevant:- https://patents.google.com/patent/US7482597B2/en

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoplasmadynamic_thruster

Try Googling "MPD thrusters"

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 2 Dec 2017 07:01:42 -0700:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Hi Robin,  Can you supply a link?  The only thing I can find with ion
>thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from
>striking the side walls.  I didn't find anything that suggests that a
>magnetic field can turn high energy ion trajectories from an
>omnidirectional source into unidirectional thrust.  Magnetic fields only
>make the ion path curl.
>
>BH
I'll see what I can dig up. IIRC, the field is more intense at the point of the
V and less at the other (open) end. The result is that charged particles
"bounce" where the field is intense, and escape at the other end, with a net
thrust applied to the rocket via the magnetic field.
You see a similar phenomenon with the charged particles in the Van Allen belts,
where they oscillate back and forth between the Earth's magnetic poles.

The jets (particle streams) emitted by some black holes may be another example.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Brian Ahern]

Earlier today Jones referenced my work on energy localization and nanomagnetism 
as a potential explanation for the Manelas device operation,


I never considered that inputing 2 of the three windings around the ferrite 
core could result in a superwave condition.  That makes so much sense. Why 
didn't I think of it.


I wondered how Arthur developed fast rise time pulses with so much inductance.


As usual, I welcome suggestions.



From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


I agree with the idea of adding a dimension to Holmlid’s laser setup—may be 
expensive however, since lasers with the appropriate frequency may be necessary 
to get good coupling.  Given known quadrupole magnetic moments in various data 
sources for the stable (and unstable} Ni nucleons, picking design parameters 
for the lasers may be easy.



The objective should be to stimulate a target Ni nucleus to a meta stable 
energy spin state, which then is allowed to decay—given the lattice 
coupling---to a new lower potential energy spin state.



This scheme of transmutation of radioactive waste was proposed as an 
alternative in the DOE’s nuclear waste management EIS of the mid 1970’s—1976 as 
I recall.  It was one of several different options considered at that time.   
However, it was dismissed because the necessary technology was not available to 
accomplish the desired stimulation the radioactive waste.  This situation has 
changed with subsequent development of lasers of most any frequency desired.



Two lasers, if in resonance, may provide magnetic quadrupole coupling necessary 
to unlock the potential energy of Ni nucleons of a coherent lattice, just as in 
the Letts-Cravens Pd system.



Conserving linear momentum is not an issue, since the system is not stimulated 
with high linear momentum particles, as is the case in simple two-body nuclear 
interactions.  Thus ionizing radiation is absent, as is the case with LENR.  
Only angular momentum (and total energy) are conserved in an LENR process IMHO.





Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio





I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.



AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.



Perhaps he should superwave it ?



Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?









Why superwaves?



A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved.



In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNonlinear_Schr%25C3%25B6dinger_equation=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Cb855bf14220a4c0caad308d539ad358e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636478338450277307=SvVxpaPbLdcQF55XjbjY96XNVxsuqhYrUewtjgNZfmk%3D=0>



In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.



RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent



https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fencrypted.google.com%2Fpatents%2FUS9540960=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Cb855bf14220a4c0caad308d539ad358e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636478338450277307=q2%2BwskuPg%2BYLmaVT4Kx4UUmXI9pAj2jYX5f0Nbr2

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I agree with the idea of adding a dimension to Holmlid’s laser setup—may be 
expensive however, since lasers with the appropriate frequency may be necessary 
to get good coupling.  Given known quadrupole magnetic moments in various data 
sources for the stable (and unstable} Ni nucleons, picking design parameters 
for the lasers may be easy.

The objective should be to stimulate a target Ni nucleus to a meta stable 
energy spin state, which then is allowed to decay—given the lattice 
coupling---to a new lower potential energy spin state.

This scheme of transmutation of radioactive waste was proposed as an 
alternative in the DOE’s nuclear waste management EIS of the mid 1970’s—1976 as 
I recall.  It was one of several different options considered at that time.   
However, it was dismissed because the necessary technology was not available to 
accomplish the desired stimulation the radioactive waste.  This situation has 
changed with subsequent development of lasers of most any frequency desired.

Two lasers, if in resonance, may provide magnetic quadrupole coupling necessary 
to unlock the potential energy of Ni nucleons of a coherent lattice, just as in 
the Letts-Cravens Pd system.

Conserving linear momentum is not an issue, since the system is not stimulated 
with high linear momentum particles, as is the case in simple two-body nuclear 
interactions.  Thus ionizing radiation is absent, as is the case with LENR.  
Only angular momentum (and total energy) are conserved in an LENR process IMHO.


Bob Cook
From: JonesBeene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.

AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.

Perhaps he should superwave it ?

Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?




Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved.

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.

RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Nice research—superwaves.

I like the idea that proton motion in a lattice is considered to entail kinetic 
energy.   Here is one more mechanism for sharing potential energy of a coherent 
system—the lattice of Pd or Ni atoms and all its constituents---with the 
potential energy of the system’s EM and gravitational fields coupling the 
various constituents.

The non-linearity makes it hard to accept by those old folks not familiar with 
the math and calculational  schemes used these days to evaluate a multi-bodied 
coherent systems, yet seems to imply exact solutions to the QM wave equation.

Rossi’s power supply may be designed to provide EM superwaves that resonate 
with the H in the Ni lattice of his QX reactor.  (I know that is a stretch for 
many Vorts.)

Bob Cook



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From: JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:24:08 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved.

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.



RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Adrian Ashfield]

 Adrian Ashfield
December 1, 2017 at 11:20 AM

Dear Andrea Rossi:
You say the E-Cat QX worked at limited power during the Stockholm event at the 

IVA (20 W). What is its real power?
Regards,
Adrian Ashfield


Andrea Rossi
December 1, 2017 at 12:31 PM

Adrian Ashfield:
Average 60 W, max for continuous operation 100 W
Warm Regards,
A.R.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.

AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.

Perhaps he should superwave it ?

Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?




Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved. 

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.


RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

 

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved. 

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.



RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Fri, 1 Dec 2017 16:48:01 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>I cannot comprehend a magnetic field configuration that would unidirectionally 
>focus an omnidirectional emission of alpha particles.  If you had such a thing 
>it would be useful for making radioisotope alpha emitter batteries.

It's a funnel shaped magnetic field. Look up the latest advances in ion
propulsion.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

at 11:08 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Higgins—

I agree with your comment about a high voltage (short) at the beginning of the 
reaction in the QX reactor.  It is consistent with the flash of light which can 
be seen at the end of the reactor upon the initial power application.

Your assessment does not address the source of energy during the off phases of 
the control circuit.  I would argue that the reaction producing heat is 
occurring in the Ni electrode with the Li acting as a good convective heat 
transfer agent from the electrode to the outer circumference  of the reactor 
where the water cooling occurs.

The electric current is generated by the net positive charge  that results from 
the reaction that produces energetic alphas that cross the annular space where 
the dusty plasma exists and charge the outer surface of the reactor.

I disagree with Axil that the suncell hydrino reaction is like the QX reaction. 
 The spectra of the two reactions are not reported to be alike.

Bob Cook
.




From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:50:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

The QX is a downsized version of the SunCell with the plasma ball reduced to 
the size of a speck of dust. You can understand what is happening inside the QX 
by looking at what is happening inside the SunCell. The metal used in the QX is 
aluminum whereas the metal used to support the plasma inside the SunCell is 
silver.Lithium is not a reactant and remains in the vapor form. The hydrogen 
pressure is very high because the amount of solid fuel that is placed inside 
the QX must be substantial in order for the fuel loading to be manageable. 
Rossi cannot work with(load) nanograms of fuel

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Bob Higgins 
<rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com<mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In the experiments I am aware of, waveforms were only tried as applied to the 
heater coils (or in my case to a magnetic field coil).  There was no evidence 
of enhanced XH.  This could be because the waveform was not well "coupled" to 
the active medium.  These were heat driven Parkhomov-like experiments.  In the 
case of others that have seen benefit from such waves, the stimulus was applied 
more directly to the reaction medium - electrolysis or to the hydrogenated 
wires.   I believe there could be benefit in such stimuli, but it would have to 
be appropriately coupled to the reaction.

In a conversation I was having with MFMP folks, I had this to say about what I 
thought was described for the QX reactor and power supply:

Since it has been suggested/said that Li is present inside the QX, during a 
discharge it will be in gas phase; and when it is turned OFF, it will condense 
on the inside of the tube and conduct across the electrodes.  Then, upon 
re-start, the tube will be shorted with this condensed Li metal path and a high 
current will be needed to heat the Li to boiling.  Once the Li path evaporates, 
the tube will have to be run in gas discharge mode.  So initially the tube is a 
short and needs a high current, low voltage to begin, and then it has to switch 
into gas discharge mode which is low current high voltage.  Also, in the gas 
discharge mode, the supply will have to be ballasted as a current source.  This 
is why the supply is complex, the waveform is complex, and why it is also 
difficult to characterize what energy has been supplied over time to the tube.  
There is the claim that there is balanced electron/ion flow.  That would be the 
H+ & Li+ positive ions and e- negative electrons conducting bodies.

In a plasma tube, the plasma itself can be at 2700K while the glass itself can 
be kept cool with water cooling.  The heat is transferred by the plasma atoms 
striking the glass, and there will be a cooler gas buffer zone around the 
inside of the glass where it is too cool to be in plasma state - insulating the 
core plasma discharge.  The higher the gas pressure, the more power that must 
be added to the plasma to compensate for the cooling of the glass tube on the 
plasma.  This tells me that the gas pressure inside the QX is probably pretty 
low, probably under 50 torr, and maybe more like 10 torr.  The problem you 
would have is keeping the Li from condensing on the glass tube in that cool 
zone and shorting out the plasma discharge.  It may take care of itself - as 
the lithium condenses on the glass, the plasma will go to it instead of the 
electrodes causing the Li to re-boil (sort of like an arc discharging to a 
piece of metal wire brought into the gap between a spark discharge).

Rossi has not demonstrated that his tube produces XE to any of us.  We 
basically have to take the unreliable, untrustworthy word of a technically 
i

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Axil Axil]

Mats Lewan is said to have seen the QX produce deep blue color when running
at 100%. Even at 30%, the QX produces light at between 400 to 500 nm that I
saw recorded with my own eyes recorded on the spectrograph as seen in the
video. I don't beleive the info on light production that is
coming from Rossi. That info might be self serving. Rossi might be  seeing
what he wants to see. Rossi says that the light produced was measured at
1100nm. This is infrared light and is not even visible. How can Rossi get a
valid blackbody heat reading when the QX is running at 30% power level?
Those people at the Demo should have reacted to this discontinuity in logic
during the demo in real time.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:08 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Higgins—
>
>
>
> I agree with your comment about a high voltage (short) at the beginning of
> the reaction in the QX reactor.  It is consistent with the flash of light
> which can be seen at the end of the reactor upon the initial power
> application.
>
>
>
> Your assessment does not address the source of energy during the off
> phases of the control circuit.  I would argue that the reaction producing
> heat is occurring in the Ni electrode with the Li acting as a good
> convective heat transfer agent from the electrode to the outer
> circumference  of the reactor where the water cooling occurs.
>
>
>
> The electric current is generated by the net positive charge  that results
> from the reaction that produces energetic alphas that cross the annular
> space where the dusty plasma exists and charge the outer surface of the
> reactor.
>
>
>
> I disagree with Axil that the suncell hydrino reaction is like the QX
> reaction.  The spectra of the two reactions are not reported to be alike.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:50:23 AM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio
>
> The QX is a downsized version of the SunCell with the plasma ball reduced
> to the size of a speck of dust. You can understand what is happening inside
> the QX by looking at what is happening inside the SunCell. The metal used
> in the QX is aluminum whereas the metal used to support the plasma inside
> the SunCell is silver.Lithium is not a reactant and remains in the vapor
> form. The hydrogen pressure is very high because the amount of solid fuel
> that is placed inside the QX must be substantial in order for the fuel
> loading to be manageable. Rossi cannot work with(load) nanograms of fuel
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In the experiments I am aware of, waveforms were only tried as applied to
>> the heater coils (or in my case to a magnetic field coil).  There was no
>> evidence of enhanced XH.  This could be because the waveform was not well
>> "coupled" to the active medium.  These were heat driven Parkhomov-like
>> experiments.  In the case of others that have seen benefit from such waves,
>> the stimulus was applied more directly to the reaction medium -
>> electrolysis or to the hydrogenated wires.   I believe there could be
>> benefit in such stimuli, but it would have to be appropriately coupled to
>> the reaction.
>>
>> In a conversation I was having with MFMP folks, I had this to say about
>> what I thought was described for the QX reactor and power supply:
>>
>>
>> *Since it has been suggested/said that Li is present inside the QX,
>> during a discharge it will be in gas phase; and when it is turned OFF, it
>> will condense on the inside of the tube and conduct across the electrodes.
>> Then, upon re-start, the tube will be shorted with this condensed Li metal
>> path and a high current will be needed to heat the Li to boiling.  Once the
>> Li path evaporates, the tube will have to be run in gas discharge mode.  So
>> initially the tube is a short and needs a high current, low voltage to
>> begin, and then it has to switch into gas discharge mode which is low
>> current high voltage.  Also, in the gas discharge mode, the supply will
>> have to be ballasted as a current source.  This is why the supply is
>> complex, the waveform is complex, and why it is also difficult to
>> characterize what energy has been supplied over time to the tube.  There is
>> the claim that there is balanced electron/ion flow.  That would be the H+ &
>> Li+ positive ions and e- negative electrons conducting bodies. *
>>
>> *In a plasma tube, the plasma itself can be at 2700

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Higgins—

I agree with your comment about a high voltage (short) at the beginning of the 
reaction in the QX reactor.  It is consistent with the flash of light which can 
be seen at the end of the reactor upon the initial power application.

Your assessment does not address the source of energy during the off phases of 
the control circuit.  I would argue that the reaction producing heat is 
occurring in the Ni electrode with the Li acting as a good convective heat 
transfer agent from the electrode to the outer circumference  of the reactor 
where the water cooling occurs.

The electric current is generated by the net positive charge  that results from 
the reaction that produces energetic alphas that cross the annular space where 
the dusty plasma exists and charge the outer surface of the reactor.

I disagree with Axil that the suncell hydrino reaction is like the QX reaction. 
 The spectra of the two reactions are not reported to be alike.

Bob Cook
.




From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:50:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

The QX is a downsized version of the SunCell with the plasma ball reduced to 
the size of a speck of dust. You can understand what is happening inside the QX 
by looking at what is happening inside the SunCell. The metal used in the QX is 
aluminum whereas the metal used to support the plasma inside the SunCell is 
silver.Lithium is not a reactant and remains in the vapor form. The hydrogen 
pressure is very high because the amount of solid fuel that is placed inside 
the QX must be substantial in order for the fuel loading to be manageable. 
Rossi cannot work with(load) nanograms of fuel

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Bob Higgins 
<rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com<mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In the experiments I am aware of, waveforms were only tried as applied to the 
heater coils (or in my case to a magnetic field coil).  There was no evidence 
of enhanced XH.  This could be because the waveform was not well "coupled" to 
the active medium.  These were heat driven Parkhomov-like experiments.  In the 
case of others that have seen benefit from such waves, the stimulus was applied 
more directly to the reaction medium - electrolysis or to the hydrogenated 
wires.   I believe there could be benefit in such stimuli, but it would have to 
be appropriately coupled to the reaction.

In a conversation I was having with MFMP folks, I had this to say about what I 
thought was described for the QX reactor and power supply:

Since it has been suggested/said that Li is present inside the QX, during a 
discharge it will be in gas phase; and when it is turned OFF, it will condense 
on the inside of the tube and conduct across the electrodes.  Then, upon 
re-start, the tube will be shorted with this condensed Li metal path and a high 
current will be needed to heat the Li to boiling.  Once the Li path evaporates, 
the tube will have to be run in gas discharge mode.  So initially the tube is a 
short and needs a high current, low voltage to begin, and then it has to switch 
into gas discharge mode which is low current high voltage.  Also, in the gas 
discharge mode, the supply will have to be ballasted as a current source.  This 
is why the supply is complex, the waveform is complex, and why it is also 
difficult to characterize what energy has been supplied over time to the tube.  
There is the claim that there is balanced electron/ion flow.  That would be the 
H+ & Li+ positive ions and e- negative electrons conducting bodies.

In a plasma tube, the plasma itself can be at 2700K while the glass itself can 
be kept cool with water cooling.  The heat is transferred by the plasma atoms 
striking the glass, and there will be a cooler gas buffer zone around the 
inside of the glass where it is too cool to be in plasma state - insulating the 
core plasma discharge.  The higher the gas pressure, the more power that must 
be added to the plasma to compensate for the cooling of the glass tube on the 
plasma.  This tells me that the gas pressure inside the QX is probably pretty 
low, probably under 50 torr, and maybe more like 10 torr.  The problem you 
would have is keeping the Li from condensing on the glass tube in that cool 
zone and shorting out the plasma discharge.  It may take care of itself - as 
the lithium condenses on the glass, the plasma will go to it instead of the 
electrodes causing the Li to re-boil (sort of like an arc discharging to a 
piece of metal wire brought into the gap between a spark discharge).

Rossi has not demonstrated that his tube produces XE to any of us.  We 
basically have to take the unreliable, untrustworthy word of a technically 
incompetent scoundrel that he is producing any XE - and on a waveform that 
would be very difficult to characterize by someone that is technically sound.

On Thu, Nov 30,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Axil Axil]

Andrea Rossi
November 29, 2017 at 4:32 PM
<http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892=289#comment-1300730>

Italo R.:
Several days after the Stockholm demo we made a very important agreement,
that will make faster the start of a massive industrial production. These
few days have been momentous.
Warm regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi
November 30, 2017 at 2:01 AM
<http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892=289#comment-1300845>

Daniel G.Zavela:
Thank you for your kind attention.
During the test at the IVA I put the power at 30% to put the probability of
breaks at zero point. The product will perform better, also because now we
are focusing on the industrialization and this means also eliminate the
overheating problem. We are working along two lines: 1- industrialization
of the product, 2- industrialization of the production. These two processes
normally are completed up to 10 years ( the CEO of a car industry told me
up to 20 years), but we think it will take less than 2 years in our case. I
hope one year, but it will be rude.
The charge was standard.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rossi knows how to feed gadflies
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:14 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio
>
>
>
> Rossi has always used demos to drum up investor interest. Rossi is at a
> pause point in the engineering of the QX and is desirous of a manufacturing
> deal.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> the demo served no net purpose
>
>
>1. Andrea Rossi
>
> November 29, 2017 at 4:32 PM
> <http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892=289#comment-1300730>
>
> Italo R.:
> Several days after the Stockholm demo we made a very important agreement,
> that will make faster the start of a massive industrial production. These
> few days have been momentous.
> Warm regards,
> A.R.
>
> On the lenrforum, moderator Alan Smith said he talked to seven investors,
> some existing.
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Russ George]

Rossi knows how to feed gadflies

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:14 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

 

Rossi has always used demos to drum up investor interest. Rossi is at a pause 
point in the engineering of the QX and is desirous of a manufacturing deal.

 

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net 
<mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net> > wrote:

 

the demo served no net purpose 

1.  Andrea Rossi 

November 29, 2017 at 4:32 PM 
<http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892=289#comment-1300730>  

Italo R.:
Several days after the Stockholm demo we made a very important agreement, that 
will make faster the start of a massive industrial production. These few days 
have been momentous.
Warm regards,
A.R.

On the lenrforum, moderator Alan Smith said he talked to seven investors, some 
existing.

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Axil Axil]

Rossi has always used demos to drum up investor interest. Rossi is at a
pause point in the engineering of the QX and is desirous of a manufacturing
deal.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Adrian Ashfield 
wrote:

>
> the demo served no net purpose
>
>
>1. Andrea Rossi
>November 29, 2017 at 4:32 PM
>
> 
>Italo R.:
>Several days after the Stockholm demo we made a very important
>agreement, that will make faster the start of a massive industrial
>production. These few days have been momentous.
>Warm regards,
>A.R.
>
> On the lenrforum, moderator Alan Smith said he talked to seven investors,
> some existing.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Adrian Ashfield]

 


 the demo served no net purpose 

 


Andrea Rossi

November 29, 2017 at 4:32 PM


Italo R.:
Several days after the Stockholm demo we made a very important agreement, that 
will make faster the start of a massive industrial production. These few days 
have been momentous.
Warm regards,
A.R.


On the lenrforum, moderator Alan Smith said he talked to seven investors, some 
existing.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Axil Axil]

The QX is a downsized version of the SunCell with the plasma ball reduced
to the size of a speck of dust. You can understand what is happening inside
the QX by looking at what is happening inside the SunCell. The metal used
in the QX is aluminum whereas the metal used to support the plasma inside
the SunCell is silver.Lithium is not a reactant and remains in the vapor
form. The hydrogen pressure is very high because the amount of solid fuel
that is placed inside the QX must be substantial in order for the fuel
loading to be manageable. Rossi cannot work with(load) nanograms of fuel

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> In the experiments I am aware of, waveforms were only tried as applied to
> the heater coils (or in my case to a magnetic field coil).  There was no
> evidence of enhanced XH.  This could be because the waveform was not well
> "coupled" to the active medium.  These were heat driven Parkhomov-like
> experiments.  In the case of others that have seen benefit from such waves,
> the stimulus was applied more directly to the reaction medium -
> electrolysis or to the hydrogenated wires.   I believe there could be
> benefit in such stimuli, but it would have to be appropriately coupled to
> the reaction.
>
> In a conversation I was having with MFMP folks, I had this to say about
> what I thought was described for the QX reactor and power supply:
>
>
> *Since it has been suggested/said that Li is present inside the QX, during
> a discharge it will be in gas phase; and when it is turned OFF, it will
> condense on the inside of the tube and conduct across the electrodes.
> Then, upon re-start, the tube will be shorted with this condensed Li metal
> path and a high current will be needed to heat the Li to boiling.  Once the
> Li path evaporates, the tube will have to be run in gas discharge mode.  So
> initially the tube is a short and needs a high current, low voltage to
> begin, and then it has to switch into gas discharge mode which is low
> current high voltage.  Also, in the gas discharge mode, the supply will
> have to be ballasted as a current source.  This is why the supply is
> complex, the waveform is complex, and why it is also difficult to
> characterize what energy has been supplied over time to the tube.  There is
> the claim that there is balanced electron/ion flow.  That would be the H+ &
> Li+ positive ions and e- negative electrons conducting bodies.*
>
> * In a plasma tube, the plasma itself can be at 2700K while the glass
> itself can be kept cool with water cooling.  The heat is transferred by the
> plasma atoms striking the glass, and there will be a cooler gas buffer zone
> around the inside of the glass where it is too cool to be in plasma state -
> insulating the core plasma discharge.  The higher the gas pressure, the
> more power that must be added to the plasma to compensate for the cooling
> of the glass tube on the plasma.  This tells me that the gas pressure
> inside the QX is probably pretty low, probably under 50 torr, and maybe
> more like 10 torr.  The problem you would have is keeping the Li from
> condensing on the glass tube in that cool zone and shorting out the plasma
> discharge.  It may take care of itself - as the lithium condenses on the
> glass, the plasma will go to it instead of the electrodes causing the Li to
> re-boil (sort of like an arc discharging to a piece of metal wire brought
> into the gap between a spark discharge).*
>
> * Rossi has not demonstrated that his tube produces XE to any of us.  We
> basically have to take the unreliable, untrustworthy word of a technically
> incompetent scoundrel that he is producing any XE - and on a waveform that
> would be very difficult to characterize by someone that is technically
> sound.*
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:31 AM, JonesBeene  wrote:
>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you (or MFMP) experimented with any variation of the Dardik
>> superwave?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it is more than coincidence that Rossi, Brillouin, Kimmel,
>> Energetics etc, etc have employed interfering waveforms as the input power.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, it is true that his PS
>> seems unusually lossy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sadly, that is the most hopeful thing that anyone can honestly say about
>> it….
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Bob Higgins 
>>
>>
>>
>>- the demo served no net purpose - except possibly to those there
>>that were granted greater access to the data.  You and I should take it as
>>a presumed null experiment since there was inadequate data shared to show
>>any XE.
>>
>>
>>
>> JonesBeene wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- The most important Euro Patent from Dardik, El-Boher et al entitled
>>"Pulsed low energy nuclear reaction power generators" EP 1656678 B1 with a
>>grant date of 2004. This is also known as the "superwave" patent. It is
>>similar and precedes the Brillouin IP - and will 

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

BTW here is another datum in the quest for provable LENR using superwaves, and 
it is a GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

Nicolas Chauvin inventor. Low energy nuclear thermoelectric system  - Abstract
A low energy nuclear thermoelectric system for a vehicle which provides a 
cost-effective and sustainable means of transportation for long operation range 
with zero emission using an onboard low energy nuclear reaction thermal 
generator.

The USPTO is so unfriendly with anything which mentions LENR by name that 
getting this one granted is almost a miracle in itself.



Bob… Have you (or MFMP) experimented with any variation of the Dardik superwave?

I think it is more than coincidence that Rossi, Brillouin, Kimmel, Energetics 
etc, etc have employed interfering waveforms as the input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, it is true that his PS seems 
unusually lossy. 

Sadly, that is the most hopeful thing that anyone can honestly say about it….


From: Bob Higgins

➢ the demo served no net purpose - except possibly to those there that were 
granted greater access to the data.  You and I should take it as a presumed 
null experiment since there was inadequate data shared to show any XE.

JonesBeene wrote:

➢ The most important Euro Patent from Dardik, El-Boher et al entitled "Pulsed 
low energy nuclear reaction power generators" EP 1656678 B1 with a grant date 
of 2004. This is also known as the "superwave" patent. It is similar and 
precedes the Brillouin IP - and will also rain on the Godes parade, if it turns 
out that structured waveforms are the key to success.
 

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

Bob

Have you (or MFMP) experimented with any variation of the Dardik superwave?

I think it is more than coincidence that Rossi, Brillouin, Kimmel, Energetics 
etc, etc have employed interfering waveforms as the input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, it is true that his PS seems 
unusually lossy. 

Sadly, that is the most hopeful thing that anyone can honestly say about it….


From: Bob Higgins

➢ the demo served no net purpose - except possibly to those there that were 
granted greater access to the data.  You and I should take it as a presumed 
null experiment since there was inadequate data shared to show any XE.

JonesBeene wrote:

➢ The most important Euro Patent from Dardik, El-Boher et al entitled "Pulsed 
low energy nuclear reaction power generators" EP 1656678 B1 with a grant date 
of 2004. This is also known as the "superwave" patent. It is similar and 
precedes the Brillouin IP - and will also rain on the Godes parade, if it turns 
out that structured waveforms are the key to success.
 

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

“We may agree that the demo is crazy but is it crazy enough to have a chance of 
being correct ?”

Ha - ‘Bohring’ as it may sound, that may be a decent summation of the current 
situation, but so is the observation that at least 60 watts electrical is going 
in from the wall and only 50 watts thermal is coming out, so there is no gain 
at all.

It really doesn’t matter that the loss is in the power supply ! This particular 
kind of loss is unavoidable and must be included in the calcs.

The only power measurement which is relevant is at the wall plug - since it is 
abundantly clear that at least two interfering frequencies are being used to 
produce a waveform, which is necessary and lossy. Rossi was hiding the waveform 
issue as far back as 5 years ago, and we know it is relevant. The Q-pulse which 
is part of Brillouin's IP is similar – very similar - but the original idea 
comes from Dardik and the Israeli company ENERGETICs, both now out of the 
picture.

The most important Euro Patent from Dardik, El-Boher et al entitled "Pulsed low 
energy nuclear reaction power generators" EP 1656678 B1 with a grant date of 
2004. This is also known as the "superwave" patent. It is similar and precedes 
the Brillouin IP - and will also rain on the Godes parade, if it turns out that 
structured waveforms are the key to success.

Two relevant remaining questions are: can these structured waveforms be 
produced with less loss by using a dedicated power supply, and why does this 
demo of Rossi not infringe on the Dardik IP? Or on Brillouin’s similar IP for 
the Q-pulse? 

Dardik’s successors (including Mckubre who is on one of the old patent apps) 
along with Violante have already demonstrated small thermal gain with 
superwaves as far back as 2008. They are probably doing this in Texas, now as 
we speak and they are probably watching Rossi to see if he has made a 
breakthrough but he has not. 

No one issure who currently holds the basic superwave patent (since the demise 
of Energetics LLC) but the USPTO fees are being maintained, so somebody 
realizes the value. Bottom line - as always in measuring input power, when 
unusual waveforms and interfering waves are used as input power the losses in 
the power supply MUST BE included as part of input. 

This is likely to be exactly what SRI told Brillouion and it is probably why 
Godes has gone silent. The losses in the power supply for making superwaves 
cannot be lessened enough to show large gain. It is likely that both Godes and 
Rossi could minimize the losses somewhat, and show COP in the range of 1.5 to 2 
but even then, they would be infringing on EP 1656678 B1.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[ROGER ANDERTON]

Bohr supposedly said variants of: We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. 
The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of 
being correct.https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr
As regards the mess in physics; Bohr, Heisenberg, Feynman etc were all working 
from Unified field theory that was published in 1758 in Boscovich's book "A 
theory of Natural Philosophy..." It used to be taught to physics students in 
19th century, but   was cut-out in the 20th century to make room for new topics.
It is the modern atomic theory: that matter made mostly out of space and a few 
particles; and physics students are not told whose theory that is. 

latest talk by Dragoslav explains Quantum physics been misunderstood:
Stoiljkovich Dragoslav: Charge percolation mechanism of olefins polymerization

  
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So, its most physicists having amnesia; not being aware of the history of their 
own subject.
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017, 19:44, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:
 

 Nigel Dyer  wrote:

I've sat through a number of talks at fringe science conferences that were 
modelled on the two excellent you tube videos. The speakers usually give every 
impression that they fully believe the nonsense that they are presenting is 
correct.

They probably do believe it. But you should bear in mind that the problem might 
be on your end. Unfamiliar ideas often sound like nonsense, yet they sometimes 
turn out to be right.
Regarding ideas that seem wrong and turn out to be wrong, see the marvelous 
quote at the end of this essay, p. 13:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJlessonsfro.pdf

See also this book, which I recommend: "Being Wrong: Adventures in the Margin 
of Error," by Kathryn Schulz. This begins with a quote from Franklin, which I 
think describes one of the reasons people are seduced into believing errors:


Perhaps the history of the errors of mankind, all things considered, is more 
valuable and interesting than that of their discoveries. Truth is uniform and 
narrow; it constantly exists, and does not seem to require so much an active 
energy, as a passive aptitude of soul in order to encounter it. But error is 
endlessly diversified; it has no reality, but is the pure and simple creation 
of the mind that invents it. In this field, the soul has room enough to expand 
herself, to display all her boundless faculties, and all her beautiful and 
interesting extravagancies and absurdities.
—Benjamin Franklin, Report of Dr. Benjamin Franklin, and Other Commissioners, 
Charged by the King of France, with the Examination of the Animal Magnetism, as 
Now Practiced in Paris (1784)

- Jed


   

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Jed Rothwell]

Nigel Dyer  wrote:

I've sat through a number of talks at fringe science conferences that were
> modelled on the two excellent you tube videos. The speakers usually give
> every impression that they fully believe the nonsense that they are
> presenting is correct.


They probably do believe it. But you should bear in mind that the problem
might be on your end. Unfamiliar ideas often sound like nonsense, yet they
sometimes turn out to be right.

Regarding ideas that seem wrong and turn out to be wrong, see the marvelous
quote at the end of this essay, p. 13:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJlessonsfro.pdf

See also this book, which I recommend: "Being Wrong: Adventures in the
Margin of Error," by Kathryn Schulz. This begins with a quote from
Franklin, which I think describes one of the reasons people are seduced
into believing errors:

Perhaps the history of the errors of mankind, all things considered, is
more valuable and interesting than that of their discoveries. Truth is
uniform and narrow; it constantly exists, and does not seem to require so
much an active energy, as a passive aptitude of soul in order to encounter
it. But error is endlessly diversified; it has no reality, but is the pure
and simple creation of the mind that invents it. In this field, the soul
has room enough to expand herself, to display all her boundless faculties,
and all her beautiful and interesting extravagancies and absurdities.

—Benjamin Franklin, Report of Dr. Benjamin Franklin, and Other
Commissioners, Charged by the King of France, with the Examination of the
Animal Magnetism, as Now Practiced in Paris (1784)

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Adrian Ashfield]

"he “ought to have” seen something valid, but if so, he has done a grand job of 
hiding it and making success look exactly like fraud looks."

You can tell what good job he is doing because he isn't giving any more demos 
and is not asking the public for a dime.  Obviously a brand be scam where you 
don;t make any money.  Genius!

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

From: Nigel Dyer

➢ There must be some fascinating psychology at  work.  I assume that it has a 
syndrome name. If not then I am sure we 
could give it one.

Agreed. There is Borderline Personality Disorder" (BPD) and check out the old 
Essay on the Leviton lie, from our mystery moderator Bill Beaty. The last part 
covers many bases.
http://amasci.com/maglev/levbill1.html

Curiously, I am reading “Two kinds of Truth” right now, and in the context of 
“alternative facts” it is arguable that a case can be made for almost any false 
proposition, including that Rossi really has something this time. In fact, 
since he is in a field where modest thermal anomalies have been shown in the 
past, he “ought to have” seen something valid, but if so, he has done a grand 
job of hiding it and making success look exactly like fraud looks.

“Munchausen syndrome by proxy” is another  a well-known mental health problem 
in which a caregiver secretly harms a patient in order to get credit for 
discovering the fake illness (which was in fact caused by the caregiver). Is 
this a variant? 

There is weird transactional similarity in Rossi’s irrational desire to be 
recognized as a great inventor, even with no qualifications and in the face of 
past failures despite the harm that it does to his loyal followers.  He has an 
uncanny recognition for the fact that some target scientists want to see a 
particular outcome so badly that they will believe almost anything he says. The 
hilarious episode with Kulander and the Nobel prize is emblematic on how far 
removed Rossi is from reality. One hopes it did not hasten his demise.

But the really pathetic thing is the mindset of his a few of his sycophants, 
one of whom even refused to believe (in an earlier thread on vortex) that Rossi 
could be wearing a wig, back when the first picture emerged.

Why? I suppose that a wig is itself symbolic of Rossi’s pathology. It’s kind of 
a symbol of fakery and (lost) vigor but is completely unnecessary for a great 
inventor, a few of whom have turned the problem into a status symbol or even 
into fringe IP …

https://thisdayinbaldhistory.wordpress.com/tag/inventors/

BTW – many of us on this forum, present company included, are well on the way 
to baldness but have a different (couldn’t care less) attitude about the need 
to hide it.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Nigel Dyer]

I've sat through a number of talks at fringe science conferences that 
were modelled on the two excellent you tube videos. The speakers usually 
give every impression that they fully believe the nonsense that they are 
presenting is correct.  There must be some fascinating psychology at 
work.  I assume that it has a syndrome name. If not then I am sure we 
could give it one.


Nigel

On 29/11/2017 15:39, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Here is a copy of the video of Rossi's D show with the full audio 
track:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ya7fcYQhOOQo8a7EDNPHma5r25eJvxDY/view

The version now at YouTube has chunks of the audio track cut out. 
Someone at LENR-forum was kind enough to upload the previous version 
with the full audio track. It will be available for a limited time, so 
download it if you want it.


Here are two semi-comprehensive descriptions of Rossi's theory as it 
applies to automotive transmissions and big data. In the first video, 
be sure to see the repair section starting at 1:55.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzHq1Ssi0r8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSJsuJOk1DA

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi building a commercial reactor

[Che]

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Adrian Ashfield 
wrote:

>
>
Thanks to Frank Acland for eliciting this information.
> http://e-catworld.com/2017/09/04/rossi-first-e-cat-plants-
> under-construction-will-sell-energy-not-plants/




> We learn now that these first plants will sell heat — he won’t be selling
the plants themselves.
>
> In the near term that could make business sense, as it gives Leonardo a
chance to monitor the performance of these
> first plants closely (essentially they will be prototypes), learn how the
plants perform in real world situations, make
> adjustments as needed, while also preventing outside access to the E-Cat
reactors which is the critical IP — at the
> same time making money from selling heat directly to customers.

Which should have been the simple business plan all along.

And at a most modest scale. This is no doubt [grandiose] 'industrial-scale'
from the get-go.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Kevin O'Malley]

Maybe whoever is trying to develop the device alongside Rossi next
time shouldn't fund his competitors.Don't piss him off.   That
kind of thing.   Let Fred Flinstone keep his job.

On 7/20/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> This trillion $$ invention only works if Rossi is there at the controls to
> adjust it minute by minute. It is a device that only Rossi can use.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with this picture?
>>
>> Great inventor presents crappy-looking experiment along with brain-dead
>> theory... while at the same time,  he has just completed successful test
>> of
>> the most valuable energy device of all time - producing an average
>> megawatt
>> of power over a year at a gain of at least 6:1.
>>
>> Yet this trillion $$ invention sits in a warehouse somewhere, gathering
>> dust.
>>
>> ...uh... What am I missing?
>>
>>
>>  Nick wrote:
>>
>> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000
>> reported
>> with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World
>> 
>>
>>
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Axil Axil]

This trillion $$ invention only works if Rossi is there at the controls to
adjust it minute by minute. It is a device that only Rossi can use.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> What's wrong with this picture?
>
> Great inventor presents crappy-looking experiment along with brain-dead
> theory... while at the same time,  he has just completed successful test of
> the most valuable energy device of all time - producing an average megawatt
> of power over a year at a gain of at least 6:1.
>
> Yet this trillion $$ invention sits in a warehouse somewhere, gathering
> dust.
>
> ...uh... What am I missing?
>
>
>  Nick wrote:
>
> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported
> with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World
> 
>
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Jones Beene]

What's wrong with this picture?

Great inventor presents crappy-looking experiment along with brain-dead 
theory... while at the same time,  he has just completed successful test 
of the most valuable energy device of all time - producing an average 
megawatt of power over a year at a gain of at least 6:1.


Yet this trillion $$ invention sits in a warehouse somewhere, gathering 
dust.


...uh... What am I missing?


 Nick wrote:
E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 
reported with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World 




https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Che]

Is this yet another Rossi 'black' box..?

Bah, then. Full disclosure. Open-Source Science -- which AFAIC includes
Open-Source engineering, too.
Forget becoming rich and famous. Just do it for Humanity.




On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Nick  wrote:

> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported
> with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World
> 
>
> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported
> ...
>
> 
>
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Lennart Thornros]

Frank
Is it 1.094 MHz?

On Jul 19, 2017 10:12, "Frank Znidarsic"  wrote:

>
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:
> >
> > There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
> > impossible.
> >/snip
>
>
> This is exactly what I expected.  Terra hertz radiation forms a
> vibrationally reinforced Bose condensate (a superconductor) in nano sized
> particles..  Again,  "The constants of the motion tend toward the
> electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is stimulated at a dimensional
> frequency of 1,094,000 meters/ second".
>
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014Natur.516...71M
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Frank Znidarsic]

>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
> impossible.
>/snip



This is exactly what I expected.  Terra hertz radiation forms a vibrationally 
reinforced Bose condensate (a superconductor) in nano sized particles..  Again, 
 "The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose 
condensate that is stimulated at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/ 
second".


http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014Natur.516...71M

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Russ George]

Once in a while a tidbit of real value makes it through the vortex. The Ralph 
Waldo Emerson quote on the Hobgoblins of little minds is one such tidbit, 
Thanks!

 

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:15 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

 



On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com 
> <mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com> > wrote:
>
> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
> impossible.
>
> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor


I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption is to 
assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of matter -- 
whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase space' of 
possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.

Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...



“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little 
statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has 
simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the 
wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what 
to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said 
to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, 
to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and 
Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit 
that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”


― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.6822


Exciton-polariton condensates

Tim Byrnes,1 Na Young Kim,2 and Yoshihisa Yamamoto1, 2
1National Institute of Informatics, 2-1-2 Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo
101-8430, Japan
2E. L. Ginzton Laboratory, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305
(Dated: November 26, 2014)

Recently a new type of system exhibiting spontaneous coherence has emerged
{ the excitonpolariton
condensate. Exciton-polaritons (or polaritons for short) are bosonic
quasiparticles that
exist inside semiconductor microcavities, consisting of a superposition of
an exciton and a cavity
photon. Above a threshold density the polaritons macroscopically occupy the
same quantum state,
forming a condensate. The lifetime of the polaritons are typically
comparable to or shorter than
thermalization times, making them possess an inherently non-equilibrium
nature. Nevertheless,
they display many of the features that would be expected of equilibrium
Bose-Einstein condensates
(BECs). The non-equilibrium nature of the system raises fundamental
questions of what it means
for a system to be a BEC, and introduces new physics beyond that seen in
other macroscopically
coherent systems. In this review we focus upon several physical phenomena
exhibited by excitonpolariton
condensates. In particular we examine topics such as the di erence between
a polariton
BEC, a polariton laser, and a photon laser, as well as physical phenomena
such as super
uidity,
vortex formation, BKT (Berezinskii-Kosterlitz-Thouless) and BCS
(Bardeen-Cooper-Schrie er)
physics. We also discuss the physics and applications of engineered
polariton structures.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
>> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
>>
>> This is not an absolute. When polaritons are confined in an optical
>> cavity over time, FANO interference forces the waveform into a soliton. In
>> other words, long term confinement of EMF leads to the formation of a BEC
>> through interference.
>>
>
> I did not know that. But this is only a _virtual_ BEC, no..?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Che  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
 generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
 but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
 matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
 signs of a BEC?

>>>
>>> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
>>> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
>>> (in order to overcome Pauli exclusion, AFAIK). So AFAIK too: they'd
>>> _necessarily_ *need* to be around zero kelvin. Not so superconductors:
>>> which would apparently *only* require a configuration which allows
>>> electrons (_only_ cooper pairs?) to travel freely without careening into
>>> the atomic lattice containing them. Perhaps a lattice which indeed *guides*
>>> them w/o any friction.
>>>
>>> Maybe a future fyzix would handle that at room temperature too... Who
>>> can know the far future, eh..? And perhaps room temperature superconductors
>>> would be the necessary pre-condition for that to come about, too... (??!!)
>>> :D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

 On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
 > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
 >> impossible.
 >>
 >> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
 >
 >
 > I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the
 assumption is
 > to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of
 matter
 > -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
 space'
 > of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
 >
 > Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
 >


>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
>> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
>>
>> This is not an absolute. When polaritons are confined in an optical
>> cavity over time, FANO interference forces the waveform into a soliton. In
>> other words, long term confinement of EMF leads to the formation of a BEC
>> through interference.
>>
>
> I did not know that. But this is only a _virtual_ BEC, no..?
>


Perhaps the key to effective 'room-temperature' superconductivity is to be
'virtual superconductors' as well...
:)

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
>
> This is not an absolute. When polaritons are confined in an optical cavity
> over time, FANO interference forces the waveform into a soliton. In other
> words, long term confinement of EMF leads to the formation of a BEC through
> interference.
>

I did not know that. But this is only a _virtual_ BEC, no..?








>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Che  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
>>> generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
>>> but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
>>> matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
>>> signs of a BEC?
>>>
>>
>> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
>> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
>> (in order to overcome Pauli exclusion, AFAIK). So AFAIK too: they'd
>> _necessarily_ *need* to be around zero kelvin. Not so superconductors:
>> which would apparently *only* require a configuration which allows
>> electrons (_only_ cooper pairs?) to travel freely without careening into
>> the atomic lattice containing them. Perhaps a lattice which indeed *guides*
>> them w/o any friction.
>>
>> Maybe a future fyzix would handle that at room temperature too... Who can
>> know the far future, eh..? And perhaps room temperature superconductors
>> would be the necessary pre-condition for that to come about, too... (??!!)
>> :D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
>>> >> impossible.
>>> >>
>>> >> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption
>>> is
>>> > to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of
>>> matter
>>> > -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
>>> space'
>>> > of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
>>> >
>>> > Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

try

linear Bose Einstin condensate

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Che  wrote:

>
> Looking up 'linear BEC' I'm getting battery circuits... wtf.
> :P
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Che  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
>>> generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
>>> but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
>>> matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
>>> signs of a BEC?
>>>
>>
>> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
>> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
>> (in order to overcome Pauli exclusion, AFAIK). So AFAIK too: they'd
>> _necessarily_ *need* to be around zero kelvin. Not so superconductors:
>> which would apparently *only* require a configuration which allows
>> electrons (_only_ cooper pairs?) to travel freely without careening into
>> the atomic lattice containing them. Perhaps a lattice which indeed *guides*
>> them w/o any friction.
>>
>> Maybe a future fyzix would handle that at room temperature too... Who can
>> know the far future, eh..? And perhaps room temperature superconductors
>> would be the necessary pre-condition for that to come about, too... (??!!)
>> :D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
>>> >> impossible.
>>> >>
>>> >> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption
>>> is
>>> > to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of
>>> matter
>>> > -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
>>> space'
>>> > of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
>>> >
>>> > Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible

This is not an absolute. When polaritons are confined in an optical cavity
over time, FANO interference forces the waveform into a soliton. In other
words, long term confinement of EMF leads to the formation of a BEC through
interference.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
>> generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
>> but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
>> matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
>> signs of a BEC?
>>
>
> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
> (in order to overcome Pauli exclusion, AFAIK). So AFAIK too: they'd
> _necessarily_ *need* to be around zero kelvin. Not so superconductors:
> which would apparently *only* require a configuration which allows
> electrons (_only_ cooper pairs?) to travel freely without careening into
> the atomic lattice containing them. Perhaps a lattice which indeed *guides*
> them w/o any friction.
>
> Maybe a future fyzix would handle that at room temperature too... Who can
> know the far future, eh..? And perhaps room temperature superconductors
> would be the necessary pre-condition for that to come about, too... (??!!)
> :D
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
>> >> impossible.
>> >>
>> >> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
>> >
>> >
>> > I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption
>> is
>> > to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of
>> matter
>> > -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
>> space'
>> > of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
>> >
>> > Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

Looking up 'linear BEC' I'm getting battery circuits... wtf.
:P

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
>> generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
>> but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
>> matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
>> signs of a BEC?
>>
>
> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
> (in order to overcome Pauli exclusion, AFAIK). So AFAIK too: they'd
> _necessarily_ *need* to be around zero kelvin. Not so superconductors:
> which would apparently *only* require a configuration which allows
> electrons (_only_ cooper pairs?) to travel freely without careening into
> the atomic lattice containing them. Perhaps a lattice which indeed *guides*
> them w/o any friction.
>
> Maybe a future fyzix would handle that at room temperature too... Who can
> know the far future, eh..? And perhaps room temperature superconductors
> would be the necessary pre-condition for that to come about, too... (??!!)
> :D
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
>> >> impossible.
>> >>
>> >> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
>> >
>> >
>> > I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption
>> is
>> > to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of
>> matter
>> > -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
>> space'
>> > of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
>> >
>> > Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
> generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
> but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
> matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
> signs of a BEC?
>

I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely
requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible
(in order to overcome Pauli exclusion, AFAIK). So AFAIK too: they'd
_necessarily_ *need* to be around zero kelvin. Not so superconductors:
which would apparently *only* require a configuration which allows
electrons (_only_ cooper pairs?) to travel freely without careening into
the atomic lattice containing them. Perhaps a lattice which indeed *guides*
them w/o any friction.

Maybe a future fyzix would handle that at room temperature too... Who can
know the far future, eh..? And perhaps room temperature superconductors
would be the necessary pre-condition for that to come about, too... (??!!)
:D




>
> On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
> >> impossible.
> >>
> >> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
> >
> >
> > I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption is
> > to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of matter
> > -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
> space'
> > of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
> >
> > Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

The Ideal shape of the LENR active nanoparticles is the nanowire.


[image: tumblr_inline_nklod0IHqf1rpydpj.gif]



(Simulation of the continuous polarization dependence of the photoinduced
surface plasmon polaritons field distribution in a silver nanoresonator of
5.7 μm length and 67 nm radius under 800 nm excitation. Details of the the
induced |*Ez*| distribution with polarization angle *φ*.


The picture shows how Surface Plasmon Polaritons (SPP) form on the surface
of a nanowire. Heat produces a periodic barrier called a quantum or thermal
phase slip that confines packets of electrons is a regular pattern whose
number is proportional to the temperature. The heat photons combine with
the trapped electrons to form polaritons. The hotter it gets, the more
vigorous is the productions and the power of the SPP.


The pattern of polarization shows that all the SPPs behave in the same way
and thus are regimented by Bose Condensation. Under Bose Condensation, all
the energy of the polariton condinsate is available to any member of the
condinsate, a process called superradiance (AKA...all for one and one for
all).

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
> generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
> but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
> matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
> signs of a BEC?
>
> On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
> >> impossible.
> >>
> >> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
> >
> >
> > I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption is
> > to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of matter
> > -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
> space'
> > of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
> >
> > Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs. Darden Settlement Agreement Published

[Kevin O'Malley]

Rossi – IH Settlement Published: Rossi Gets Back All Rights to E-Cat,
IH no Longer Involved
Posted on July 18, 2017 • 96 Comments

http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/18/rossi-ih-settlement-published-rossi-gets-back-all-rights/


Rossi Interview with Mats Lewan

Settlement Agreement:
https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/settlement-agreement.pdf


On 7/18/17, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
> generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
> but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
> matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
> signs of a BEC?
>
> On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
>>> impossible.
>>>
>>> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
>>
>>
>> I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption is
>> to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of matter
>> -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase
>> space'
>> of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
>>
>> Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were
generating linear BECs?   I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids,
but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of
matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale
signs of a BEC?

On 7/18/17, Che  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>>
>> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
>> impossible.
>>
>> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor
>
>
> I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption is
> to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of matter
> -- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase space'
> of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.
>
> Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
> impossible.
>
> ***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor


I think the problem with this sort of thinking, is that the assumption is
to assume we need only be looking at essentially 'known' states of matter
-- whilst totally overlooking the HUGE (essentially INFINITE) 'phase space'
of possibilities which 'emergent' physical relations hand us.

Someone is not 'thinking outside the box'...



“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little
statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has
simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the
wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what
to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you
said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so
bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates,
and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every
pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be
misunderstood.”


― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
>
> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
impossible. All reports of them have never been corroborated.
> The explanation would take hours, but Keith Johnson solved the problem in
1983 in the  Journal of Synthetic Metals volume 5.


Is this going to be one of those CLASSIC, classic 'common-sensical',
'officially-proven', Establishment Science conceits which are going to turn
out being absolutely nothing of the sort -- to be summarily tossed out the
window -- upon the shocking revelation of an 'impossible' breakthrough:
which makes this former 'sure-thing' belief the laffable pomposity it in
fact was, upon historical hindsight..?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com> wrote:

There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
impossible.

***Someone should tell the guys who are working towards that goal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room-temperature_superconductor

On 7/18/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Leif Holmlid sites  J. E. Hirsch when he describes metallic hydrogen as a
> superconductor. Holmlid et al have verified that the hydrogen trapped in
> the microcavities present in iron oxide are superconductors. Hirsch now
> believes that all superconductivity in high Tc cuprates as well as all
> other superconductors are hole superconductors.
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.07452
> Towards an understanding of hole superconductivity
> Fig. 1. (Color online) Cluster with more than 100 hydrogen atoms squeezed
> in palladium crystal defect with superconducting properties measured by
> SQUIDS (Lipson et al. , 2005; Miley et al. , 2007) is generated, see Figure
> 1 in Miley et al. (2008).
> [image: Fig. 1. (Color online) Cluster with more than 100 hydrogen atoms
> squeezed in palladium crystal defect with superconducting properties
> measured by SQUIDS (Lipson et al. , 2005; Miley et al. , 2007) is
> generated, see Figure 1 in Miley et al. (2008).]
>
> The detection by MFMP of the x-ray burst is experimental evidence that hole
> superconductivity is present at temperatures near 1000C.
>
> The detection of this radiation burst can be cited as verification of the
> existence of high temperature superconductivity produce by a hole
> superconductor as cited by Holmlid.
>
> This bremsstrahlung like radiation has no K line spikes that always appears
> in this continuum.
>
> The characteristic x-ray emission which is shown as two sharp peaks in the
> illustration at left occur when vacancies are produced in the n=1 or
> K-shell of the atom and electrons drop down from above to fill the gap. The
> x-rays produced by transitions from the n=2 to n=1 levels are called
> K-alpha x-rays, and those for the n=3→1 transition are called K-beta
> x-rays.
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html
>
> The lack of these K line spikes indicate that the bremsstrahlung like
> radiation was generated by something other than an interaction of high
> energy electrons impacting on a metal lattice.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
>> impossible. All reports of them have never been corroborated.
>> The explanation would take hours, but Keith Johnson solved the problem in
>> 1983 in the  Journal of Synthetic Metals volume 5.
>>
>> There are numerous magnetic anomalies that seem like a Meisner Effect,
>> but
>> they do not share all of the attributes.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 1:56 PM
>> *To:* Vortex
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled
>>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose
>>> because
>>> it would be difficult to test for.
>>>
>>
>> Difficult because, presumably, in the cathode only microscopic domains of
>> nuclear-active spots superconduct. Not the whole cathode. I think that
>> finding a tiny amount of superconducting material in a sample that is 99%
>> not superconducting would be difficult.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

Leif Holmlid sites  J. E. Hirsch when he describes metallic hydrogen as a
superconductor. Holmlid et al have verified that the hydrogen trapped in
the microcavities present in iron oxide are superconductors. Hirsch now
believes that all superconductivity in high Tc cuprates as well as all
other superconductors are hole superconductors.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.07452
Towards an understanding of hole superconductivity
Fig. 1. (Color online) Cluster with more than 100 hydrogen atoms squeezed
in palladium crystal defect with superconducting properties measured by
SQUIDS (Lipson et al. , 2005; Miley et al. , 2007) is generated, see Figure
1 in Miley et al. (2008).
[image: Fig. 1. (Color online) Cluster with more than 100 hydrogen atoms
squeezed in palladium crystal defect with superconducting properties
measured by SQUIDS (Lipson et al. , 2005; Miley et al. , 2007) is
generated, see Figure 1 in Miley et al. (2008).]

The detection by MFMP of the x-ray burst is experimental evidence that hole
superconductivity is present at temperatures near 1000C.

The detection of this radiation burst can be cited as verification of the
existence of high temperature superconductivity produce by a hole
superconductor as cited by Holmlid.

This bremsstrahlung like radiation has no K line spikes that always appears
in this continuum.

The characteristic x-ray emission which is shown as two sharp peaks in the
illustration at left occur when vacancies are produced in the n=1 or
K-shell of the atom and electrons drop down from above to fill the gap. The
x-rays produced by transitions from the n=2 to n=1 levels are called
K-alpha x-rays, and those for the n=3→1 transition are called K-beta x-rays.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html

The lack of these K line spikes indicate that the bremsstrahlung like
radiation was generated by something other than an interaction of high
energy electrons impacting on a metal lattice.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com> wrote:

>
> There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically
> impossible. All reports of them have never been corroborated.
> The explanation would take hours, but Keith Johnson solved the problem in
> 1983 in the  Journal of Synthetic Metals volume 5.
>
> There are numerous magnetic anomalies that seem like a Meisner Effect, but
> they do not share all of the attributes.
>
> --
> *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 1:56 PM
> *To:* Vortex
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled
>
> I wrote:
>
>
>> I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose because
>> it would be difficult to test for.
>>
>
> Difficult because, presumably, in the cathode only microscopic domains of
> nuclear-active spots superconduct. Not the whole cathode. I think that
> finding a tiny amount of superconducting material in a sample that is 99%
> not superconducting would be difficult.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Brian Ahern]

There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically 
impossible. All reports of them have never been corroborated.
The explanation would take hours, but Keith Johnson solved the problem in 1983 
in the  Journal of Synthetic Metals volume 5.

There are numerous magnetic anomalies that seem like a Meisner Effect, but they 
do not share all of the attributes.


From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:56 PM
To: Vortex
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

I wrote:

I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose because it 
would be difficult to test for.

Difficult because, presumably, in the cathode only microscopic domains of 
nuclear-active spots superconduct. Not the whole cathode. I think that finding 
a tiny amount of superconducting material in a sample that is 99% not 
superconducting would be difficult.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Che  wrote:
>
>
>> This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold
>> fusion' as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up
>> in a dead-end -- where people can get away with SAYING this sort of thing..?
>>
>
> The results are not a bit dead end. By the standards of experimental
> science, cold fusion results were superb. Practically unprecedented in the
> history of science. It was a totally unexpected phenomenon and it is still
> not understood, yet within a few years there were hundreds of irrefutable
> papers confirming it. If it were not for academic politics, every scientist
> on earth would be convinced by the results from people such as Fritz Will.
> See:
>


If Jed Rothwell didn't have his OWN agenda, instead of this knee-jerk
response, he would have glossed instead that I am speaking really ONLY of
the '*practical*' engineering outcomes of this basic scientific research --
you know: the shit MOST people are actually INTERESTED in. Like buying a
dirt-cheap water-heater/electricity source/eternal battery/yadda.

Jed Rothwell, scientific researcher extraordinaire, has misunderstood the
easily-grasped (admittedly 'loaded') context of the term 'dead-end' above.

Tsk, tsk.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> We shoud not be talking about 'cold fusion'. We should be talking about
> proton decay.
>

I *totally* disagree. 'Cold Fusion' is clearly a term with mucho
popularizing potential... and most importantly: **it is NOT all that
inaccurate a term, considering its subject-matter**. But it is *precisely*
because of this popularizing potential -- and thus its immediate threat to
certain vested interests -- which is AFAIC the root cause behind all the
attempts to marginalize the term, and make it synonymous with crank
quackery and 'fringe fyzix', etc.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:


> This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold fusion'
> as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up in a
> dead-end -- where people can get away with SAYING this sort of thing..?
>

The results are not a bit dead end. By the standards of experimental
science, cold fusion results were superb. Practically unprecedented in the
history of science. It was a totally unexpected phenomenon and it is still
not understood, yet within a few years there were hundreds of irrefutable
papers confirming it. If it were not for academic politics, every scientist
on earth would be convinced by the results from people such as Fritz Will.
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/WillFGtritiumgen.pdf

People such as Che mistakenly believe it is a dead end because he reads
mass media lies instead of scientific papers, and because frauds such as
Defkalion and Rossi have lately dominated the field with fake claims. That
never happened from 1989 until Rossi came along. He has almost
single-handedly destroyed the field.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

We shoud not be talking about 'cold fusion'. We should be talking about
proton decay.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental
> evidence.  There is none.
> >
> > Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing
> in a witch doctor to lead the discussion.
> >
> > The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of
> excess energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform.
>
>
> This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold fusion'
> as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up in a
> dead-end -- where people can get away with SAYING this sort of thing..?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[ROGER ANDERTON]

That's the sort of thing they muddle up; they say that then go on to start 
talking about warp spacetime, empty space having the properties of a medium and 
faster than light (FTL) et al. 
 

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Kevin—   C is a constant and is the speed of light in empty space.  Light  also 
propagates in various media at a speed always below C.  Particles may move at a 
higher velocity than light in a medium, but not in empty space—all this is 
standard physics today.   Bob Cook   From: Kevin O'Malley
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled   On 7/17/17, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
  Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of  a charged
> particle which enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of
> light in the medium.
Velocity greater than C?   I thought there was nothing that could move
faster than C?  Except perhaps INFORMATION, i.e. tachyons and spooky
actions at a distance.    

   

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
>
> Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental
evidence.  There is none.
>
> Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing
in a witch doctor to lead the discussion.
>
> The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of
excess energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform.


This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold fusion'
as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up in a
dead-end -- where people can get away with SAYING this sort of thing..?

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Kevin—

C is a constant and is the speed of light in empty space.  Light  also 
propagates in various media at a speed always below C.  Particles may move at a 
higher velocity than light in a medium, but not in empty space—all this is 
standard physics today.

Bob Cook

From: Kevin O'Malley<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
  Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of  a charged
> particle which enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of
> light in the medium.
Velocity greater than C?   I thought there was nothing that could move
faster than C?  Except perhaps INFORMATION, i.e. tachyons and spooky
actions at a distance.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[ROGER ANDERTON]

I mean by the mainstream relativists, "they" have got it wrong when "they" 
teach it
 

On Monday, 17 July 2017, 22:58, ROGER ANDERTON 
 wrote:
 

 all based on misunderstanding relativity due to translation errors as I shall 
point out in my next physics talks. 
 

On Monday, 17 July 2017, 22:55, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
 

 On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:
  Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of  a charged
> particle which enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of
> light in the medium.
Velocity greater than C?  I thought there was nothing that could move
faster than C?  Except perhaps INFORMATION, i.e. tachyons and spooky
actions at a distance.



   

   

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[ROGER ANDERTON]

all based on misunderstanding relativity due to translation errors as I shall 
point out in my next physics talks. 
 

On Monday, 17 July 2017, 22:55, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
 

 On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:
  Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of  a charged
> particle which enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of
> light in the medium.
Velocity greater than C?  I thought there was nothing that could move
faster than C?  Except perhaps INFORMATION, i.e. tachyons and spooky
actions at a distance.



   

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:
  Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of  a charged
> particle which enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of
> light in the medium.
Velocity greater than C?   I thought there was nothing that could move
faster than C?  Except perhaps INFORMATION, i.e. tachyons and spooky
actions at a distance.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

On 7/17/17, Brian Ahern  wrote:

>
> The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of
> excess energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform.
>
 ***What about the NANOR?   And also, what about those 153 peer
reviewed replications of Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Event that
Jed cites?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Brian Ahern]

I agree with your assessment. I failed to exceed 200 milliwatts. That was my 
hero result from the EPRI Study in 2012



From: Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:05 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled


Brian’s words are very true. The amount of experimental based wisdom found here 
is very rare indeed while there is a super abundance of pundiprophecy, aka 
bullshit. Alas this is not a matter of witch doctors who often had some basis 
in observational experimental results they work from, rather what Brian calls 
‘witch doctoring’ is far more akin to the selling of snake oil.



Brian is however also subject to having drunk to much of his own snake oil in 
spite of being a good experimentalist. Wherein he has not been able to show an 
excess of 1 watt and would insist that no one else has either. There he’s 
showing his perfectly tuned blind eye as many demonstrations of cold fusion far 
in excess of that single watt have been demonstrated for decades. The folks who 
have succeeded at doing so just haven’t been willing to share their hard won 
know how with every lazy lowlife that demands their teaching for free.



From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:46 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled





Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental evidence.  
There is none.



Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a 
witch doctor to lead the discussion.



The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of excess 
energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform.



From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:14 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled



When the meissner effect associated with Hole superconductivity goes away 
during the shutdown of the LENR reaction, all the electrons that were pushed 
out of the positive superconductive core fall back into that core. This 
movement of electrons produce bremsstrahlung radiation when the LENR reaction 
deactivates.



On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 9:50 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Axil—



With the loss of a magneticfield the resonant conditions providing coupling 
of a nucleus  to the lattice electrons are eliminated; however, with the 
transient magnetic field short lived resonances are established that allow 
nuclear isomers or other unstable isotopes that decay or react with production 
of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the reaction of a 
electron and a positron.



Bob Cook



From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled



Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?



On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
<kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Brian Ahern]

My MS thesis showed the SC in PdD and PdH in 1975. It works every time at 11K 
and 9K respectively.



From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 11:25 AM
To: Vortex
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com<mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com>> wrote:

Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a 
witch doctor to lead the discussion.

Martin Fleischmann and others suggested that the hydrogen in a highly loaded 
palladium hydride might be superconducting. Cryogenic metalic hydrogen is a 
superconductor.

I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose because it 
would be difficult to test for. I wouldn't rule it out.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose because
> it would be difficult to test for.
>

Difficult because, presumably, in the cathode only microscopic domains of
nuclear-active spots superconduct. Not the whole cathode. I think that
finding a tiny amount of superconducting material in a sample that is 99%
not superconducting would be difficult.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Russ—

I agree.

But, on the other hand the 5 folks who did the Lugano testing may be FOS as 
Brian suggests.  

FRC

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Russ George<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Brian’s words are very true. The amount of experimental based wisdom found here 
is very rare indeed while there is a super abundance of pundiprophecy, aka 
bullshit. Alas this is not a matter of witch doctors who often had some basis 
in observational experimental results they work from, rather what Brian calls 
‘witch doctoring’ is far more akin to the selling of snake oil.

Brian is however also subject to having drunk to much of his own snake oil in 
spite of being a good experimentalist. Wherein he has not been able to show an 
excess of 1 watt and would insist that no one else has either. There he’s 
showing his perfectly tuned blind eye as many demonstrations of cold fusion far 
in excess of that single watt have been demonstrated for decades. The folks who 
have succeeded at doing so just haven’t been willing to share their hard won 
know how with every lazy lowlife that demands their teaching for free.

From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:46 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled



Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental evidence.  
There is none.

Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a 
witch doctor to lead the discussion.

The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of excess 
energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform.

From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:14 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

When the meissner effect associated with Hole superconductivity goes away 
during the shutdown of the LENR reaction, all the electrons that were pushed 
out of the positive superconductive core fall back into that core. This 
movement of electrons produce bremsstrahlung radiation when the LENR reaction 
deactivates.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 9:50 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil—

With the loss of a magneticfield the resonant conditions providing coupling 
of a nucleus  to the lattice electrons are eliminated; however, with the 
transient magnetic field short lived resonances are established that allow 
nuclear isomers or other unstable isotopes that decay or react with production 
of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the reaction of a 
electron and a positron.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
<kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > ef

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I do not consider it is proper to classifyl Bremsstrahlung radiation  as  gamma 
radiation.  Gammas are associated with nuclear transitions as a result of a 
change of potential energy of ta  nucleus to kinetic energy of a photon IMHO.

You may be right about EM radiation  being given off during hole elimination.  
Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of  a charged particle which 
enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of light in the medium. 
 I doubt that the electrons that might move to fill a hole reach a velocity 
greater than C.  A calculation is warranted or an experimental reference may 
help clarify.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:14 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

When the meissner effect associated with Hole superconductivity goes away 
during the shutdown of the LENR reaction, all the electrons that were pushed 
out of the positive superconductive core fall back into that core. This 
movement of electrons produce bremsstrahlung radiation when the LENR reaction 
deactivates.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 9:50 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil—

With the loss of a magneticfield the resonant conditions providing coupling 
of a nucleus  to the lattice electrons are eliminated; however, with the 
transient magnetic field short lived resonances are established that allow 
nuclear isomers or other unstable isotopes that decay or react with production 
of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the reaction of a 
electron and a positron.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
<kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> SmCo5
>> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >
>> > See
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >
>> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> > magnetic
>> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
>> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
>> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >
>> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
>> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
>> has
>> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> > noncompetitive.
>> >
>> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Brian Ahern  wrote:

Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in
> a witch doctor to lead the discussion.
>

Martin Fleischmann and others suggested that the hydrogen in a highly
loaded palladium hydride might be superconducting. Cryogenic metalic
hydrogen is a superconductor.

I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose because
it would be difficult to test for. I wouldn't rule it out.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Russ George]

Brian's words are very true. The amount of experimental based wisdom found
here is very rare indeed while there is a super abundance of pundiprophecy,
aka bullshit. Alas this is not a matter of witch doctors who often had some
basis in observational experimental results they work from, rather what
Brian calls 'witch doctoring' is far more akin to the selling of snake oil. 

 

Brian is however also subject to having drunk to much of his own snake oil
in spite of being a good experimentalist. Wherein he has not been able to
show an excess of 1 watt and would insist that no one else has either. There
he's showing his perfectly tuned blind eye as many demonstrations of cold
fusion far in excess of that single watt have been demonstrated for decades.
The folks who have succeeded at doing so just haven't been willing to share
their hard won know how with every lazy lowlife that demands their teaching
for free. 

 

From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:46 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

 

 

Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental
evidence.  There is none.  

 

Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a
witch doctor to lead the discussion.

 

The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of
excess energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform.

  _  

From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:14 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled 

 

When the meissner effect associated with Hole superconductivity goes away
during the shutdown of the LENR reaction, all the electrons that were pushed
out of the positive superconductive core fall back into that core. This
movement of electrons produce bremsstrahlung radiation when the LENR
reaction deactivates. 

 

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 9:50 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com
<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>  <bobcook39...@hotmail.com
<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Axil-

 

With the loss of a magneticfield the resonant conditions providing
coupling of a nucleus  to the lattice electrons are eliminated; however,
with the transient magnetic field short lived resonances are established
that allow nuclear isomers or other unstable isotopes that decay or react
with production of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the
reaction of a electron and a positron.  

 

Bob Cook

 

From: Axil Axil <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
To: vortex-l <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

 

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

 

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com
<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.


On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> >
wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com
<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> >
wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> SmCo5
>> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >
>> > See
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >
>> > This article explains how magnetism ca

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Brian Ahern]

Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental evidence.  
There is none.

Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a 
witch doctor to lead the discussion.

The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of excess 
energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform.


From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:14 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

When the meissner effect associated with Hole superconductivity goes away 
during the shutdown of the LENR reaction, all the electrons that were pushed 
out of the positive superconductive core fall back into that core. This 
movement of electrons produce bremsstrahlung radiation when the LENR reaction 
deactivates.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 9:50 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil—

With the loss of a magneticfield the resonant conditions providing coupling 
of a nucleus  to the lattice electrons are eliminated; however, with the 
transient magnetic field short lived resonances are established that allow 
nuclear isomers or other unstable isotopes that decay or react with production 
of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the reaction of a 
electron and a positron.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
<kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> SmCo5
>> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >
>> > See
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >
>> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> > magnetic
>> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
>> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
>> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >
>> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
>> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
>> has
>> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> > noncompetitive.
>> >
>> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
>> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
>> > in
>> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
>> > material under extreme stress over time.
>> >
>> > The pl

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

When the meissner effect associated with Hole superconductivity goes away
during the shutdown of the LENR reaction, all the electrons that were
pushed out of the positive superconductive core fall back into that core.
This movement of electrons produce bremsstrahlung radiation when the LENR
reaction deactivates.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 9:50 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Axil—
>
>
>
> With the loss of a magneticfield the resonant conditions providing
> coupling of a nucleus  to the lattice electrons are eliminated; however,
> with the transient magnetic field short lived resonances are established
> that allow nuclear isomers or other unstable isotopes that decay or react
> with production of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the
> reaction of a electron and a positron.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> *From: *Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
> *To: *vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled
>
>
>
> Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
> and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
> Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
> it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
> Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.
>
>
> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction
> energy
> > is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> > on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
> >> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
> >> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
> >> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
> >>
> >> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
> >> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
> >> > in
> >> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
> >> based
> >> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
> >> This
> >> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
> >> > effective
> >> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
> >> SmCo5
> >> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
> >> >
> >> > See
> >> >
> >> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
> >> >
> >> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
> >> > magnetic
> >> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
> >> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular
> magnetic
> >> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
> >> >
> >> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
> >> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
> >> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma
> type
> >> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type
> and
> >> has
> >> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
> >> > noncompetitive.
> >> >
> >> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
> >> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
> >> > in
> >> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of
> this
> >> > material under extreme stress over time.
> >> >
> >> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
> >> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
> >> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of
> infrared
> >> > photons into powerful magnetic fields

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil—

With the loss of a magneticfield the resonant conditions providing coupling 
of a nucleus  to the lattice electrons are eliminated; however, with the 
transient magnetic field short lived resonances are established that allow 
nuclear isomers or other unstable isotopes that decay or react with production 
of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the reaction of a 
electron and a positron.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
<kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> SmCo5
>> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >
>> > See
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >
>> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> > magnetic
>> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
>> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
>> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >
>> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
>> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
>> has
>> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> > noncompetitive.
>> >
>> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
>> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
>> > in
>> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
>> > material under extreme stress over time.
>> >
>> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
>> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
>> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
>> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>> >
>> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and
>> > is
>> > attempting to bring it to market.
>> >
>> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
>> nail.
>> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it
>> > is
>> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
>> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally
>> > resist
>> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to
>> the
>>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Jul 7 (9 days ago)
to vortex-l
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHPW3-hlUw

This video describes the search for bremsstrahlung radiation as seen in the
MFMP experiment as predicted to occur at the onset of HOLE
superconductivity.

The bremsstrahlung radiation  is produced when electrons are expelled at
near the speed of light from the center of the Polariton BEC by the
meissner effect when the "Hole superconductivity" first begins and again
when the Hole superconductivity is terminated at the end of the LENR
reaction, electrons move back into the positive core of the SPP BEC when
superconductivity and the meissner effect ends.

See

https://jorge.physics.ucsd.edu/hole.html

The sound is bad in the video, but the experimental search is pictured at
6:00 into the video.

IMHO, the  bremsstrahlung radiation seen in the MFMP experiment shows the
onset of HOLE SUPERCONDUCTIVITY in the Polaritons produced to generate the
LENR reaction.

Some background
Author:

  Hamilton Carter
(Texas A\ Univ)

Do superconductors emit x-rays when they quench? Do holes lead double
lives, undressing and pairing up as electrons when it gets cold? Can the
London penetration depth be explained by holes lowering their kinetic
energy and getting... well... fat? An experimental search is underway for
the x-ray radiation predicted by Hirsch's hole theory of superconductivity.
Originally proffered 25 years ago as a model for high temperature
superconductors,, the theory as it now stands applies to all
superconducting materials. The basics of the hole theory of
superconductivity will be presented, followed by a review of our
experiment's design. You'll come away feeling more comfortable with
covalent bonding, hopping amplitudes, Hamiltonians and coherent states.
You'll learn about pulsed magnetic fields and x-ray detection techniques.
You'll be the envy of your friends at parties as you describe both
superconductor theory and cutting edge experiments on the frontier of
modern physics with confidence and aplomb.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:17 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Axil--
>
>
>
> Regarding the observation of gammas at the beginning and end of LENR power
> output, it may be that the controlling magnetic field, B.  passes through
> intensities that allow nuclear transitions without coupling to the
> electronic orbital kinetic angular momentum energy and a change of nuclear
> potential energy to lattice kinetic energy.
>
>
>
> One would expect to see a change in the isotopic composition of the fuel
> compared to the composition resulting from LENR without gammas.
>
>
>
> In addition the gammas may heat the nano-particles of fuel sufficiently to
> quickly change resonances that allowed the reaction producing the gammas
> and favoring the coupling in the coherent nano-particle system to the
> lattice electrons.
>
>
>
> IMHO the function of transient SPP BEC’s  would not be 100% effective at
> shielding gammas routinely produced by a LENR nuclear isotopic transition.
>
>
>
>
> The production of neutral muons or other neutral subatomic particles
> without gammas may be an unrealized problem of some LENR reactions,
> however.  I consider energetic neutrons, if produced, would be readily
> observed.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
> *From: *Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
> *To: *vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled
>
>
>
> Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
> and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
> Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
> it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
> Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.
>
>
> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction
> energy
> > is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> > on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
> >> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
> >> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
> >> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
> >>
> >&g

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil--

Regarding the observation of gammas at the beginning and end of LENR power 
output, it may be that the controlling magnetic field, B.  passes through 
intensities that allow nuclear transitions without coupling to the electronic 
orbital kinetic angular momentum energy and a change of nuclear potential 
energy to lattice kinetic energy.

One would expect to see a change in the isotopic composition of the fuel 
compared to the composition resulting from LENR without gammas.

In addition the gammas may heat the nano-particles of fuel sufficiently to 
quickly change resonances that allowed the reaction producing the gammas and 
favoring the coupling in the coherent nano-particle system to the lattice 
electrons.

IMHO the function of transient SPP BEC’s  would not be 100% effective at 
shielding gammas routinely produced by a LENR nuclear isotopic transition.

The production of neutral muons or other neutral subatomic particles without 
gammas may be an unrealized problem of some LENR reactions, however.  I 
consider energetic neutrons, if produced, would be readily observed.

Bob Cook
From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
<kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> SmCo5
>> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >
>> > See
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >
>> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> > magnetic
>> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
>> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
>> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >
>> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
>> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
>> has
>> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> > noncompetitive.
>> >
>> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
>> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
>> > in
>> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
>> > material under extreme stress over time.
>> >
>> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
>> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
>> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
>> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>> >
>> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

You want the last word? Make another useless email reply.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Che  wrote:
>
>
>> What? You calling me a liar?

>>>
>>> Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Nyah, nyah, nyhah, petit-bourgeois swell-head engineer.
>>
>
> Hey, you asked me to call you that! Make up your mind.
>
>
>
>> And for the record: the one who sneers does NOT actually usually USE the
>> word 'sneer'.
>>
>
> Too meta for me. For the record: When the barber shaves those who do not
> shave themselves, does he shave himself?
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 7:46 PM, ROGER ANDERTON 
wrote:
>
> 5 Jul at 5:50 PM  said :   So much drama for nothing...
>
>
> does that count as sneering?


No, actually. In this sense here, it is sneering when it is in fact
_unwarranted_, and _gratuitously_ dismissive. However, there are situations
where sneering is in fact 'warranted'... but in that case, such a response
to others' misfortune is considered highly 'not cricket' (i.e. in bad
taste).

Sneering is never constructive. Why they invented the word, OK?

Sheesh. You can take them off the Farm...

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:


> What? You calling me a liar?
>>>
>>
>> Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered.
>>
>
>
> Nyah, nyah, nyhah, petit-bourgeois swell-head engineer.
>

Hey, you asked me to call you that! Make up your mind.



> And for the record: the one who sneers does NOT actually usually USE the
> word 'sneer'.
>

Too meta for me. For the record: When the barber shaves those who do not
shave themselves, does he shave himself?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Che  wrote:
>
>
>> Who sneered? Who are "they"?
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>> What? You calling me a liar?
>>
>
> Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered.
>


Nyah, nyah, nyhah, petit-bourgeois swell-head engineer.

Pfft.

On to the science, OK? I see the MFMP has responded to someone who has
apparently sneered at them(??!!)

And for the record: the one who sneers does NOT actually usually USE the
word 'sneer'.
Boy. Some people.








>
>
>> Go read the thread.
>>
>
> I don't see it.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

Fusion events, and other nuclear exchanges.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
>> and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
>> Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
>> it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
>> Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> > Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction
>> energy
>> > is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in
>> > place
>> > on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> >> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> >> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> >> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>> >>
>> >> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> >> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For
>> >> > example,
>> >> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested
>> >> > it
>> >> > in
>> >> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction
>> >> > is
>> >> based
>> >> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of
>> >> > mica.
>> >> This
>> >> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> >> > effective
>> >> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> >> SmCo5
>> >> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >> >
>> >> > See
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >> >
>> >> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> >> > magnetic
>> >> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton
>> >> > droplets
>> >> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular
>> magnetic
>> >> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >> >
>> >> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase
>> >> > LENR
>> >> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> >> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma
>> type
>> >> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type
>> and
>> >> has
>> >> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> >> > noncompetitive.
>> >> >
>> >> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
>> >> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized
>> >> > expertise
>> >> > in
>> >> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of
>> this
>> >> > material under extreme stress over time.
>> >> >
>> >> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
>> >> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor.
>> >> > Polaritons
>> >> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of
>> infrared
>> >> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase
>> >> > LENR
>> >> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type
>> >> > and
>> >> > is
>> >> > attempting to bring it to market.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like
>> >> > a
>> >> nail.
>> >> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction,
>> >> > it
>> >> > is
>> >> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to
>> incorporate
>> >> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally
>> >> > resist
>> >> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central
>> >> > to
>> >> the
>> >> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
>> >> > include a these new experimental results.
>> >> >
>> >> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company
>> >> > to
>> >> avoid
>> >> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent
>> >> > his
>> >> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
>> >> LENR.
>> >> >
>> >> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma
>> >> > type
>> >> LENR
>> >> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
>> >> muons
>> >> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take
>> >> > over
>> >> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
>> >> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Jul 11, 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
> and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
> Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
> it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
> Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.
>
> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> > Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction
> energy
> > is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> > on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
> >> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
> >> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
> >> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
> >>
> >> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> >> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
> >> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
> >> > in
> >> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
> >> based
> >> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
> >> This
> >> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
> >> > effective
> >> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
> >> SmCo5
> >> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
> >> >
> >> > See
> >> >
> >> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
> >> >
> >> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
> >> > magnetic
> >> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
> >> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular
> magnetic
> >> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
> >> >
> >> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
> >> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
> >> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma
> type
> >> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type
> and
> >> has
> >> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
> >> > noncompetitive.
> >> >
> >> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
> >> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
> >> > in
> >> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of
> this
> >> > material under extreme stress over time.
> >> >
> >> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
> >> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
> >> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of
> infrared
> >> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
> >> >
> >> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
> >> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and
> >> > is
> >> > attempting to bring it to market.
> >> >
> >> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
> >> nail.
> >> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it
> >> > is
> >> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to
> incorporate
> >> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally
> >> > resist
> >> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to
> >> the
> >> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
> >> > include a these new experimental results.
> >> >
> >> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to
> >> avoid
> >> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
> >> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
> >> LENR.
> >> >
> >> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type
> >> LENR
> >> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
> >> muons
> >> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take
> >> > over
> >> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
> >> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his
> >> >> own
> >> >> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
> >> >>
> >> >> Harry
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> SmCo5
>> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >
>> > See
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >
>> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> > magnetic
>> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
>> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
>> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >
>> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
>> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
>> has
>> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> > noncompetitive.
>> >
>> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
>> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
>> > in
>> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
>> > material under extreme stress over time.
>> >
>> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
>> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
>> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
>> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>> >
>> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and
>> > is
>> > attempting to bring it to market.
>> >
>> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
>> nail.
>> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it
>> > is
>> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
>> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally
>> > resist
>> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to
>> the
>> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
>> > include a these new experimental results.
>> >
>> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to
>> avoid
>> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
>> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
>> LENR.
>> >
>> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type
>> LENR
>> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
>> muons
>> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take
>> > over
>> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
>> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
>> >
>> >> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his
>> >> own
>> >> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
>> >>
>> >> Harry
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
>> >>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
>> >>> both sides to administer the test.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
>> >>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
>> >>> device
>> >>> > in Florida worked as he 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[ROGER ANDERTON]

5 Jul at 5:50 PM  said :   So much drama fornothing...

does that count as sneering?

 

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017, 0:35, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:
 

 Che  wrote: 

Who sneered? Who are "they"?
- Jed


What? You calling me a liar?

Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered.
 
Go read the thread.

I don't see it.
- Jed


   

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:


> Who sneered? Who are "they"?
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
> What? You calling me a liar?
>

Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered.



> Go read the thread.
>

I don't see it.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Che  wrote:
>
>
>>
> Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do -
>>> they are misguided.
>>>
>>
>> Well they have. Right here. Recently.
>>
>
> Who sneered? Who are "they"?
>
> - Jed
>
>
What? You calling me a liar? Go read the thread.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>
> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it in
> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
> based
> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
> This
> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be effective
> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
> SmCo5
> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
> >
> > See
> >
> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
> >
> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion magnetic
> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
> >
> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
> has
> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
> > noncompetitive.
> >
> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise in
> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
> > material under extreme stress over time.
> >
> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
> >
> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and is
> > attempting to bring it to market.
> >
> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
> nail.
> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it is
> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally resist
> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to
> the
> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
> > include a these new experimental results.
> >
> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to
> avoid
> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
> LENR.
> >
> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type
> LENR
> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
> muons
> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take over
> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
> >
> >> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
> >> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
> >>
> >> Harry
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
> >>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
> >>> both sides to administer the test.
> >>>
> >>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
> >>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
> >>> device
> >>> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
> >>> very
> >>> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
> >>> claim.
> >>> >
> >>> > Harry
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell <
> jedrothw...@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> >>> >>> OJ Simpson...
> >>> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
> >>> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
> Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it in
> the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is based
> on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica. This
> reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be effective
> in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a SmCo5
> magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>
> See
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>
> This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion magnetic
> textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
> driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
> anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>
> During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
> reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
> reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
> LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and has
> in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
> noncompetitive.
>
> The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
> temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise in
> material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
> material under extreme stress over time.
>
> The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
> nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
> naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
> photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>
> By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
> reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and is
> attempting to bring it to market.
>
> I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
> If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it is
> human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
> that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally resist
> rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to the
> survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
> include a these new experimental results.
>
> On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to avoid
> any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
> experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with LENR.
>
> To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type LENR
> reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that muons
> are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take over
> the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
> centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
>> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
>>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
>>> both sides to administer the test.
>>>
>>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
>>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
>>> device
>>> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
>>> very
>>> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
>>> claim.
>>> >
>>> > Harry
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>>> >>> OJ Simpson...
>>> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
>>> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> the legal standard.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common
>>> >> sense standards he is guilty of fraud.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> > All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
>>> >>> ***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
>>> >>> different conclusions than you did.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is they've
been doing for 4 years.


On 7/10/17, Che  wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>>
>> I think the key is to just find nuclear products when you throw hydrogen
> and nickel together.   There is no chemical reaction that is supposed to
> lead to nuclear products.   3 years ago, MFMP found gamma rays and then
> just blithely started chasing ghosts.
>
> To keep such a risky public research project on-course would require that
> it constantly allow for the democratic, 'Open Source' equivalent of 'peer
> review'.
>
> I seems perhaps this component is what the MFMP is missing. Perhaps not. I
> barely follow this stuff, sadly.
> But I DO know political-economy more than most.
>
> More than Jed, for sure.
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

You sound like someone who doesn't want to see LENR succeed.   Seems
about the right position, for a communist.

On 7/11/17, Che  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>>
>> Mary Yugo said he was contacted by investors looking to verify Rossi.
> He told them what to test for, and Rossi never had anything to do with
> them.   The only way Rossi is going to find an investor now is to have the
> darned thing tested with true independence, like an investor bringing you
> along.   So this is a healthy thing.
>
>
>
> A significant portion of Humanity has other ideas about the health value of
> letting capitalist 'investors' run amok across the surface of the Planet --
> 'legally' or otherwise. Anyone seeing the involvement of vulture
> capitalists in heterodox fyzix research as being a 'healthy thing' -- given
> the wretched history of it all -- really should go see a doctor.
>
> Better to end up on Patreon, or somesuch.
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

That's the whole point of having an independent 3rd party.
Apparently Rossi has the ability to change reality perception when
he's around, similar to Steve Jobs.

On 7/11/17, H LV  wrote:
> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
>
> Harry
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
>> both sides to administer the test.
>>
>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
>> > device
>> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
>> very
>> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
>> claim.
>> >
>> > Harry
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>> >>> OJ Simpson...
>> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
>> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed
>> >>> with
>> >>> the legal standard.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common
>> >> sense standards he is guilty of fraud.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> > All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
>> >>> ***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
>> >>> different conclusions than you did.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the
>> report.
>> >> Others people claim they read it and reached different conclusions,
>> >> but
>> >> they have not given any reasons. A few are so gullible they believe
>> >> the
>> >> post hoc lies about invisible heat exchangers that do not show in
>> >> photographs. Such "conclusions" are so irrational they have no place
>> >> in
>> a
>> >> serious discussion.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>  At least his next intended victims
>> >>> > have the court docket to warn them off.
>> >>> ***Well if you were to write a point by point delineation of all the
>> >>> scientific claims that are fraud then his next "intended victims"
>> >>> would have that.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea what his next scheme will be. Perhaps it will be the
>> >> QuarkX? Rossi told Lewan in the interview that he is setting up in
>> Sweden
>> >> where people want to invest. I suppose that means he has begun a new
>> >> scam,
>> >> but maybe he made that up and there are no investors.
>> >>
>> >> - Jed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

That would be just like him.

On 7/11/17, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Wait a minute. There is still Randell Mills to deal with, and he says he
> can not only heat up a cup of coffee but evaporate it in a burst of
> hydrinos in seconds. He has better credentials than any of us, and he
> has followers who are more loyal than Rossi's.
>
> Prediction: Very soon, Mills will acknowledge that his new device is
> producing radioactivity, BUT he will claim that actually he expected
> this outcome all along; and LENR is his from the start.
>
> He could be right. Bring it on, Randy... 
>
>
> Brian Ahern wrote:
>
>  > I agree with Frank's assessment.
>
>  > From: Frank Znidarsic ...  That's where this has all come to. No
> device was developed to heat a cup of coffee, as Mallove was requested
> to produce.  27 years later there is no cup of warm coffee.  I worked on
> this technology hard for some time.  I felt it was coming.  I am now
> embarrassed by my optimistic comments.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry—

You may be right.  The trial results promised to be a lose-lose situation for 
all concerned: settlement a win-win situation for all concerned.

It does suggest that Woodford Investments and Darden, etal., have a common 
strategy regarding venture capital expenditures—protect existing investments in 
alternate energy source investments and fossil fuel based  energy.

Sifferkoll’s blog has addressed this issue in the past.

Bob Cook










From: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the device in 
Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is very likely 
that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his claim.

Harry

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
<jedrothw...@gmail.com<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
OJ Simpson...
> Obviously he was guilty.
***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed with
the legal standard.

I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common sense 
standards he is guilty of fraud.


> All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
different conclusions than you did.

Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the report. 
Others people claim they read it and reached different conclusions, but they 
have not given any reasons. A few are so gullible they believe the post hoc 
lies about invisible heat exchangers that do not show in photographs. Such 
"conclusions" are so irrational they have no place in a serious discussion.


 At least his next intended victims
> have the court docket to warn them off.
***Well if you were to write a point by point delineation of all the
scientific claims that are fraud then his next "intended victims"
would have that.

I have no idea what his next scheme will be. Perhaps it will be the QuarkX? 
Rossi told Lewan in the interview that he is setting up in Sweden where people 
want to invest. I suppose that means he has begun a new scam, but maybe he made 
that up and there are no investors.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

Russ:

No one asked you to join this discussion.   You don't like it, just
ignore it.   Huge duhh factor.

On 7/11/17, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Doesn’t someone here have a toilet plunger to help the damned vortex flush
> out all the turds that are stuck here. This endless trollification by the
> unflushable malcontents that did not get their free feed in the trial are
> festering into a terrible stench. Give it a f*ckng break or at least go see
> your doctors and get some new meds, there are remarkably good meds for
> senile agitation these days.
>
>
>
> From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:03 PM
> To: Vortex
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled
>
>
>
> Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com <mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> The report was credible enough for IH not to move forward on their case.
>
>
>
> Unless you took part in the lawyers' negotiations, you do not know that is
> the reason. It might be because they determined Rossi has no more money.
> There is no point to suing someone who cannot pay. Here is another possible
> reason. Lawyers tell me that it was mainly a contract dispute, and I.H.'s
> counter-suit regarding the contract was weak.
>
>
>
> I myself have no idea why they settled. However, I am sure the Penon report
> is not "credible" in this universe according to our laws of physics. It was
> a gross violation of thermodynamics, as Smith pointed out. Also because
> Florida is not located in a vacuum in outer space. I am pretty sure of
> that.
>
>
>
> Perhaps the people at I.H. worried that a jury might be as gullible as you
> are, and the jury might think the Florida could be in a vacuum, because what
> do those scientists know, anyway? They are a bunch of elitist know-it-alls
> with their "laws" of "physics." They are so sure of themselves, they think
> that when you take photo of a 15,000 pound machine with pipes running to the
> ceiling, the image has to show up in the camera! Why can't it be
> invisible??? Huh? You tell me! And it was equipped with an anti-gravity
> machine which is why the mezzanine didn't collapse. You didn't think of
> THAT, did you, Mr. Elite Scientist.
>
>
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:


>
Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do -
>> they are misguided.
>>
>
> Well they have. Right here. Recently.
>

Who sneered? Who are "they"?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Che wrote
>
> People here sneer at the likes of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial
> Project.. but say what you will: its very OPEN [Source] nature is what
> *will* at least keep it out of the grubby clutches of moneyed-interests.
>
>
> Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do -
> they are misguided.
>

Well they have. Right here. Recently.




Just the opposite - in fact, a version of "open-source" is the way of the
> future for LENR... but it needs refinement. For instance, patents can be a
> necessary evil - if only to keep patent trolls from jumping in and
> obtaining one first.
>

Patents are 'necessary', like locks on your doors are necessary. There was
a time in the past when door-locks were UN-necessary -- and there will come
again a time where they will become a relic of our barbaric Past (Present).
I prefer to focus positively, on the contents of the house.






>
> The main thing needed for continuing cash flow for the research is the
> promise of some kind of future reward for the funder. It is easily possible
> to merge capitalism and optimized R into a mutually acceptable package.
>

NO. The FOSS software Movement is proof enuff that monetary reward is NOT
the main, essential motivation for the creative process -- whatever paid
propagandists continually and relentlessly say (and whatever particular
details don't really match my claim). However, money *does indeed* become a
crucial issue, when a chronic lack of resources poses an obstacle to
further creative effort (and in fact, the ruling-class *consciously*
starves society generally, of resources -- in order to maintain _precisely_
this sort of control over us). Even now, the heroic 'cool' days of Silicon
Valley (more myth, than anything) are essentially over: and the usual
corporate interests _assert_ those interests more and more, in computer
technology. They DO want a ROI.

However, that 'cool' model of 'hip', enlightened, Yuppie investors does not
appear to work in such a chance-y field as cold fusion research. Too much
'up-front' risk, right?

We require a steady, *public* -- OPEN -- source of funding: and should
commensurately be demanding the public OPEN release of any and all
scientific theoretical and research findings.





>
> In short, it is possible to "keep it out of the grubby clutches of
> moneyed-interests" and at the same time provide a decent return on
> investment in a vehicle for continuing R funding -- which does not demand
> that the inventor has to subsidize his own efforts.
>
> The end result can be win-win, whereas a complete abdication of IP is not
> going to be as efficient. In fact, it is brain-dead in the era of patent
> trolls. I think MFMP realizes this dynamic.
>

This is pie-in-the-sky, AFAIC. The World does not work this way. Or not for
long, anyway. Mixing in 'patent trolls' at the end here is only obfuscating
the issue: the primacy, Über Alles, of 'private property', in our barbaric
times -- and its crushing effect upon true 'innovation'.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
> Mary Yugo said he was contacted by investors looking to verify Rossi.
He told them what to test for, and Rossi never had anything to do with
them.   The only way Rossi is going to find an investor now is to have the
darned thing tested with true independence, like an investor bringing you
along.   So this is a healthy thing.



A significant portion of Humanity has other ideas about the health value of
letting capitalist 'investors' run amok across the surface of the Planet --
'legally' or otherwise. Anyone seeing the involvement of vulture
capitalists in heterodox fyzix research as being a 'healthy thing' -- given
the wretched history of it all -- really should go see a doctor.

Better to end up on Patreon, or somesuch.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Daniel Rocha]

Now that Rossi has much more free time, I expect him to have bold strides
in making new devices. The bad times are now past!