Re: [CTRL] [Armageddon-or-NewAge] UN WELCOMES SATAN TO EARTH-ProjectFalling Star
In a message dated 00-08-12 02:03:08 EDT, you write: Subj: [surfingtheapocalypse] UN WELCOMES SATAN TO EARTH-Project"Falling Star" Date: 00-08-12 02:03:08 EDT snip Now go find a book called "THE AGE OF CATACLYSM", written by Alfred Webre and Phillip Liss,in 1974-SBN399-11307.This book calls for everything that the Georgia Guide Stones calls for eliminating the Congress and U.S.Constitution and and the world population for a New World Order and a Luciferian One World Religion. This book was published by Berkley Corp and distributed by Putnam's Sons of New york and endorsed by the Future World Society and the World Federalist Society.According to the book itself the Psychics told them to tell the world leaders what to do. And the Ascended Masters told the psychics what to tell the leaders. So who is really giving orders to whom? This book said on page 196 that this process of "cleansing" the world of the unfit -the majority of us-and the birth of a new age will begin after RUSSIA turns capitalist and the Berlin Wall comes down. snip = Hi All - This segment has been circulating in various forms on the Net. It demonizes a beautiful work. 1. Even with the brief summary above, multiple distortions of the facts are made. In 1974 in the Age of Cataclysm, we proposed a number of changes. Two were political and specific to the US: What we called the federalist Party - a kind of third party based on candidates in a direct democratic way that would by pass the monopoly of the DemoRepubs (There are 535,000 elected political offices in the USA. We also proposed a Constitutional Convention in the USA, to incorporate a higher set of Universal Values. Very tame suggestions - the Federalist PArty could very well be the Green PArty and Ralph NAder, or the Reform Party with the Natural LAw fellow as candidate. 2. The book developed the context theory of extraterrestrial communications, an advanced system for interpreting ET communications, which gave rise to an unprecedented 1977 Carter White House Extraterrestrial Study , itself terminated in September, 1977. It inspired the recent Exopolitics series: http://www.universebooks.com/exopolitics.html 3. The book analyzed the 1963 assassination of JFK as a key socio-political event in which the USA fell under a military-intelligence secret network. As a result of the efforts of a network of researchers and activists, we were able to set the House Select Committee on Assassinations started in 1977 to investigate the assassinations of JFL and MLKing. Like the 1977 Carter White House study, the Assassination Committee became bogged down in harrassment by disinformation and spooks. I worked closely with US Congressiman Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas, chair of the committee, to get the investigation started, Age of Cataclysm was a brave book of the times. 4. Age of Cataclysm was so effective in (1) exposing black ops (2) providing a theoretical basis for ET that two weeks after I went on national CBC television in Canada in th 1970s, all copies disappeared from the USA warehouse. It was a good book destroyed by black ops. 5. The basic thesis of Age of Cataclysm integrated the Cayce earth changes predictions with expected changes by the earth sciences - geology, seismology, atmospheric sciences, astronomy. It is an original contribution to catastrophism. 6. Each and every sentence in the above post, relating to World Federalist Society endorsement, what "Psychics told Ascended Masters", "cleansing the unfit" is a false attribution and distortion, as disinformation. The reference to Russia was a quote of an Edgar Cayce prophecy that Russia would become the "first Christian nation." 7. The above post is in fact a meme, a destructive sort of mind virus that separates people and groups based on false ideological divisions. I am going to make an information wartime appeal that people not kowlingly repost disinformation without proper labelling as such, first examining "rants" to see if they are mind control memes, or at least check with living targets within the disinfo first. Disinformation is a form of mind contro technology, is like a mind-virus, can survive as a thought form, and seeks human minds as hosts. It is also called a MEME. How does one know something is disinfo or not? Good question - Intuition, discernment and checking sources. The Intuition-meter is probably the best. If you feel your mind pulled along directions that emphasize interpersonal and inter-group separation, it is probably disinformation (which is a form of mind contro technology) or a MEME. Thanks for listening, Alfred Webre Vancouver, BC _ EcoNews Service - Alternative News: Ecology, Consciousness Universe Politics mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/index2.html CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/index2.html A
[CTRL] [NA] Karenna Gore Schiff
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Jim Condit Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NA] Karenna Gore Schiff Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 10:25 PM Step onto the Stage of History at The Citizens for a Fair Vote Count Convention Go to: www.votefraud.org to register today! Asthma? Sinus? Prone to colds? Sore Neck? Back goes out and needs adjustment? You may find help in "Electric C" -- Go to: http//newlife.electriclife.net -- for details. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin July 16, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire Karenna Gore Schiff On the Sunday Night C-Span show called Road to the White House the nation was shown a fresh faced, post college Karenna Gore whos name is now Karenna Gore SCHIFF. As Karenna worked her way with charm and grace around a room at a fundraiser and campaign rally for her father, presidential candidate Al Gore, C-Span flashed up on the screen, Karenna Gore Schiff. Earlier this year, a column in the monthly newspaper Catholic Family News by author Robert Goldsborough revealed the recent marriage of Karenna Gore into the Schiff banking dynasty. Goldsborough is an author and a former staffer for the House Committee on un-American activities during the 1950s. Years ago Goldsborough founded and still directs the American Research Foundation. He publishes a bi-monthly column on a variety of subjects dealing with the nature and activities of the Ruling Elites efforts to transform America from a constitutional Republic into a province in the New World Order occupation government. The Schiff banking dynasty, based in New York City, is well known to independent history researchers as one of the primary funders of the Bolshevik and Communist revolutions in Russia in 1917. London Times reporter and author, Douglas Reed, an eye-witness to the Bolshevik toppling of the Romanov dynasty, reported from the scene that hundreds of revolutionaries had come from the United States, and most prominently from New York City, to form a large part of the new Bolshevik government in 1917.. Reed was shocked to find that his attempted submissions to the London Times from Moscow were being censored by revolutionaries from New York City who couldnt even speak Russian! Anyway, for those who have looked into the research of Terry Hayfield, who will be speaking at our upcoming Citizens for a Fair Vote Count Convention, the Schiff banking dynasty will ring a bell as fitting the mold of one of the Super Vulture Capitalists who has always directed and funded Communism as one tool in the Permanent Revolution which seeks to financially manage and/or subdue all of mankind.. For new readers see lewisnews.com in the Citizens for a Fair Vote section on the right hand side of the page; the articles about Terry Hayfields research are entitled Motive, Opportunity, Votefraud, What is the Hayfield Research?, and Six Corporations Now Run All Major Media. These articles are also at votefraud.org in the News section, under news by month. Details about the upcoming Citizens for a Fair Vote Count Convention are also at votefraud.org Some of my best informed friends have been telling me that this union of the Gore and Schiff families will insure that Al Gore is our next President. I dont believe it, based on what Im seeing on the major News Media. I dont think the wirepullers believe that their program can be advanced under the stilted Gore, dripping with Clinton cooties, during the next four years nearly as well as it can be advanced under the pliable party boy, Bush. International banking families, like the Schiffs, are those directing the Major News Media to de-emphasize and smear Pat Buchanan, and to censor Howard Phillips. Its truly the Buchanan Brigades and the Constitution Party against these old Banking Dynasties and their Big TV Media. With the internet and other factors into the mix, we have a chance. Most of the people would be on our side, if we could get them the information about whats going on, especially with regard to unverifiable computerized elections. It may be good to recall here that the Gore family came to prominence through the financial backing of Communist agent, and Super Capitalist, Armand Hammer, now deceased. Hammer, who was based in Cleveland, Ohio was immediately welcomed into Russia when Lenin took over in 1917, and immediately began trading and making business deals with the Communists, 16 years before fellow Permanent Revolution operative, Franklin Roosevelt, saved Communism in Russia by recognizing the criminal regime shortly after he assumed the Presidency. These facts are difficult to assimilate if you dont know that a cabal of international bankers, such as
Re: [CTRL] Werner von Braun
In a message dated 8/12/00 4:35:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm really quite sick of the habitual, gratuitous bashing and re-bashing of every person of German identity And I'm sick of Nazi sympathizers putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing. To imply that I did is typical of Nazi duplicity and of the duplicity of their sympathizers. If you are going to continue to stick up for Nazis you should do it somewhere else. Nazis are not welcome on this list. It's a big net. There's plenty of parts of it where Nazis and their friends are more than welcome. Go there instead. Thanks, nessie. I didn't know what to say. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
You know, I used to wonder about certain things -- about whether it's really possible for there to exist in this world a truly evil force. I'm not talking about demons, vampires or supernatural spawns of Satan. I'm just basically talking about ruthless individuals who are capable of such mindblowing worldwide deception, enslavement and murder, likely all in the name of increasing their own wealth and power. I don't care about power, myself. I can't understand what pleasure one might get out of having control over large numbers of people. Having or wanting lots of money I CAN understand, just not the lust for power. I've asked others if there really could be people in the world who are working to enslave us all -- to ever increase the gap between the wealthy and the poor to such an extent where there is no middle class any more, and the poor literally cannot survive without the wealthy. Can there be people in the world who actually have that kind of vision, and who envision themselves on top of it all, and in, if not total control, then a major player in holding immense power? Then I started thinking -- what if the government and organized crime were working together? Already we have stories of the CIA, FBI and drug smuggling operations in Arkansas, which even Clinton may have been involved in as governor of Arkansas. There's a book about it called "The Boys on the Tracks" in which two boys were run over by a train. The engineer said he saw two boys laying on the tracks covered by some tarp. Depsite the loud train horns, the boys didn't move, the train couldn't stop, and they were hit. The police said the boys had gotten high on marijuana and didn't hear the train coming. But an investigative reporter found other evidence and was cut off by law enforcement at every turn. Check out the actual synapsis here: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=3R7JU6FU2Imscssid=KGP682DTE0SR2JQW001PQUW69GDC37P2isbn=0312198418 So what if there IS some sinister plan that we're unaware of? As "we the people" we must play by certain rules. There are protocols for getting things done--for changing our government to what we want it to be. And at the same time, we have the World Trade Organization, which has the power to override all environmental and labor laws. It's an incremental acclimatization to an ever-increasing stranglehold. I have a feeling that the people in control of this charade understand human nature, too. They understand that a stressful society will cause increasing violence and mental problems. Is it any wonder, then, that Prozac sales have increased 5-fold in just a few years? 2.61 billion dollars worth of Prozac was sold in 1999, and 2 billion of that was in the USA alone! Ritalin is a big controversy, too, as boys are drugged into social compliance. So how do we know that the government and organized crime (which I can't tell much of a difference these days) are not working together to disarm the people? Then the only ones left holding guns are criminals, including the government who seems to be orchestrating this whole thing. Conspiracy theorists like to talk about "The Illuminati", too, as if it's some unseen secret government. HA! I don't think the Illuminati really exists as a seperate entity. I think it's, simply enough, the US government and the United Nations. They probably want China involved, too. Once China is in it, then taking over the rest of the world will be no problem at all. So what the hell is going on??? Even though I've been on these mailing lists for over three years, and even though I've been aware of all these ideas we toss around on these mailing lists, all of a sudden it feels like I'm waking up to something -- like maybe a nightmare. Like I got a dose of clarity and I'm left thinking... Holy God! People really CAN be that evil! Pinch me! Am I just dreaming?!?!? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To
[CTRL] Test (Delete if you see this)
Just testing if im still on the list... --- Move to a better address --- + today freemail + http://www.today.com.au A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
So he who pays the Piper calls the tune and he who has the gold to pay the Piper is highly suspect. Ever wonder, Hitler - that was not his real name; Gerald Ford, that was not his real name; and Bill Clinton that is not his real name.. In Ford's case, he had a brother with the same name - Leslie King - who was killed on a Thursday night driving down a long road, all alone and for no reason - accident.So then there was only one Leslie King. Can see Ford chancing his last name, but well to Gerald - reminds me of a joke I heard long ago about a guy named George Boob who told the judge he wanted to change his name - and the judge said you are to be commended Sir, I do not blame you - and to what do you want to change your name? And the guy said "to Joe Boob"so much for Illuminati. Adolph Hither, was not his real name for he was alleged paper hanger who like Polish Pope they say wanted to wallpaper the Sistine Chapel (that is where Michelangelo works are).so little hidden jokes sometimes reval muchHitler and his real name - Schilgrubber, and he was not German, he was Austrian. And this brings us to the Austrian Hungarian curse against all mankind - they would get even if it took a 100 years and every hundred years something does happen, does it not? From Lincoln to JFK? What was the American dream becomes American nightmare as organized crime takes over.after all they have had all this time to so do wih tax free money? From whiskey to drugs to murder inc? Did you notice how many people are murdered and now they start on the kids? From where does this programming and brainwashing come? Look at Littleton blamed by press on neo Nazis until they discovered Trench Coat Mafia killers were military and jewish - and now the victims who are alive and the parents of even those who are dead are being accused of being greedy? Why doesn't anybody investigate that sick school in Littleton and see if this was not behavior modification stuff - kids on drugs, legal drugs? Latest trend you see as they outlaw drugs run by mob they go legitimate and have bought into major drug companies? So we have legalized bortion and baby body parts for profit, we have legalized drugs and courts now ordering kids on Ritilin and the like, we have murder inc. in our Oval Office sending out West Point sharp shooters, of Japanese extraction to murder women with babies and little 8th graders and do you need X Ray machine to see something is wrong. Germans are condemned - but look at Japan, why we made them so rich the bought the islands they once tried to take in war. Pearls of Great Price. It is said God sets the solitary in families; and they will come out of prisons to rule us, and then God says vengance is mine, I will repay.while Lucky Luciano writes a book called Last Will and Testament of Lucky Luciano and he called it "The Authorized Version"we see the work now of othe Chambaer of Commerce - oh so much import and export business - anybody ever check planes landing carrying goods from around the world by a certain Billionaire who gets tax abatement ? The 300 - they pay for the bullets, and the Mafia delivers them - for the Mafia is just the black operations of the CIA for in America if the people knew all this stuff they would not tolerate it. See how corrupt Russia has become - ever hear of the Russian Mafia that is, until they went down the tubes and now the Mafia and money disappears? Like Indian givers perhaps. Old days long ago Kings went to war in front of the troops and did their own dirty worktoday a Clinton comes along and hids behind women and orders mass murder without authority or reason and slaughters the innocents while chasing a prostiutute about the oval office. What was his real name = Blythe? He came from no where like a Charles Jesus Manson did he not, and compared to Manson, is Clinton a reflection of Manson or Manson a reflection of Clinton. So TY you begin to see through the dark mirrorlike Alice in Wonderland? Things are not what they see to be? Where are the me of integrity and honor and noble statesmen we once had with a dream of Camelot that now turns into a Thule Society - and you kow, in the Thule Society there were Jews, Christians, and Masons? Have all these forces united not in the name of God, but in the name of Satan? For surely when we see Waco and Ruby Ridge and the Balkans and Iraqi children murdered - something is wrong. My brother in law dropped big bombs on German, for that was his job - Command Pilot for USAF operating out of High Wycombe as they used to call it - a real Hells Fire Club.but later he and von Braun worked together and they were friendsBraun is another name for Brown, like Smith, Smythe, and Schmidt.. Blue eyed devils? Well who were the devils - those who paid the piper, called the tune.theirs was not to question why, there was but to do or die..forward the 600 to their
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:39:35 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: So TY you begin to see through the dark mirrorlike Alice in Wonderland? Things are not what they see to be? Yeah. I discovered that about the third or fourth time I got high. And it got progressively worse and I ended up in a mental hospital for about 3 weeks. After that it took me about two years to get my bearings back and I've felt pretty normal for the past year. I should also bring up that I did this without medications since I felt that medicating myself would simply cover up the problem, not solve it, and I definitely wouldn't be any stronger. It's as if I'm revisiting some of that old stuff, but with more clarity, more of a rational and stable mindset, more critical. Before, it was all so new, and yet as real as my own life that I went bananas for a short time. Where are the me of integrity and honor and noble statesmen we once had with a dream of Camelot that now turns into a Thule Society - and you kow, in the Thule Society there were Jews, Christians, and Masons? Have all these forces united not in the name of God, but in the name of Satan? For surely when we see Waco and Ruby Ridge and the Balkans and Iraqi children murdered - something is wrong. Yes. I've seen these kinds of things and I remember these kinds of things ever since I started paying attention to them around 10 or 11 years ago. I used to simply think that it was such a shame that the police, military and government had to be so fascistic about everything. I didn't know why. I just knew that I'd better not step out of line or I might be treated that way. So I guess now one might have to look at the similarities between the victims of police-state brutality and figure out what they all have in common. And yes, I think we already live in a police-state. It's just not as bad as it could get. Me, I have my bible code which is the Communist Timetable, now called more appropriately, the New World Order Master Plan for Murder Keyed to the Stars and the Testaments I've "heard" that you can't really predict anything with the bible code -- that you can only confirm what has already happened. Of course, Drosnin (sp) supposedly found Rubin's name before he was assassinated. So these people coming in for the kill once again like a Napoleon who met his Waterloo, and as Nixon met his Watergate - but the year of the real mellenium is 2001 - and we will see the Master Plan unfold once again and end the same way.the conspirators will die and we will always have, The Monarch in Waiting, the predators and albatross upon the back of the people. So you think it's going to hit the fan as we roll into 2001? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mailSent. It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on every delivered E-mail. Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online, and continue using E-mail. The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect our use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service will be attempting to bill E-mail users out of "alternative postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge on every E-Mail delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail,is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign: There is nothing like a letter." Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day in 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents a day - or over $180 per year - above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to the US Postal Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is democracy and on interference. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. Our congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "$20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the governments proposed E-mail charge. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story the only exception being the Washingtonian - which called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode away! Send this to E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives write their congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of your time and could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. Please forward 602P Sorry it is so long. ^i^Angel . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] Bill Clinton is suffering from a sexually-transmitted disease.
--- Carl Amedio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturday, August 12, 2000 SHAMED CLINTON ROCKED BY NEW SEX SMEARS Right-wing bid to hit Democrat convention Was Billy-Bob's STD caused by a conspiracy? That's the only way I can figure that this bit of tabloid gossip has anything to do with conspiracy theory. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
This is a hoax. - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
Ty: The bible code I have is a timetable calendar which was in the 1954 Gideon placed Bible, but only in this one very special bible. It has nothing to do with cabala or with this stupid Washington Post Reporter who came up with his own number code - that is old hat. This is a bible calendar code where certain murders or acts of sabatage are keyed to certain dates and times..the astronauts took a Gideon Bible with them to the moon from which they read - they also jokingly took Jean Dixon's predictions (astrology) to the moon for she as a political propagandist over and over reported Russia Will Beat Us to the Moon. Now this calendar code is somewhat abstract - for you read one thing but the names are different, but same old cast of characters..Albert Speer in his book with regard to men at Spandau (and Nixon latched onto Speer) for October was a reference to the bible watchword calendar, which was taken away from the Baron by the Russians for you see this bible code, the Russians are onto and usedmasonic stuff and the masonic order is an international order. So somehow two forces used this calendar - one for good and one for evil - yet, behind these two forces you have the same pupeteer pulling the strings, hiring the killers - in God's name they murder and in Satan's name they would rule the universe.. Same guy authored the whole book for good and for evil. This bible goes into every country in the world nearly..you can communicate in any languagelike Romans 13, as I recall it is said they seek to kill me, for I am telling you the truthand in Hebrews - need to kill the witness so they cannot testify.Luke 22 is the Mafia Kiss of Death and this has become a burlesque of the truth.cute stuff, but behind it all cold blooded murder like Dallas November 22, 1963 and the day Lincoln was Shot (and Johnson was half shot).Jim Bishop always used The Day...was shot.so honest an approach but assassination is such a polite politically correct as they say term? So first you need to pick up the code watch words like Acts 19...Apollo he craft that came to naught timed to bible code and then you find further that Paul and Barnabas were called Mercury and Juperterand in Song of Solomon, you find Gemini - the Twins, Castor and Pollux.in Genesis you find the astrological symbolism for the 12 tribesGad, is the Overcomers.remember that old song We Shall Overcome and Song of Solomon, I am Black but Comely equates to Black is Beautiful...one force triggers another but behind it all, the same old puppeteers and he who has the gold calls the tune. Like Pied Piper of Hamlin.the children were led away to the mountains to death, because the parents refused to pay the Piper and the iniquities of the fathers were visited upon the childrenoh see America today, our children being drawn away and sometimes to their deaths at the rock festivals where drugs are promotedwatch television and kids of this generation believe it was always this way? See Macho Man Clinton lad the kids off to primrose path with his evil ways.but then what one does in his own bedroom is his own business - but in the Oval Office, it is everybody's business especially when we see America destroyed from within. See how they spend money as though there is no limit.70 million to investigate little Monica and Clinton while they ignore Los Alamos? Do you know when the Mafia meets in a motel, they open the Gideon Bible as if to call a meeting..used to be the Gidons were called the Christian Commercial Travelers and sold "insurnce"traveled in pairs, dressed in black.like Fuller Brush Man - and never answer your door to the Avon Lady if you get involved in oh so secret stuff - for these people are used like the busy bee Eastern Stars and self styled local masonic spies who spy on their neighborns - busy bees all. I always keep my house off limits to friends and foes anymore...for there is nothing like a little man playing super spook for your locak Knights of Pythias or Masonic Order with the Support Your Police Stickers stuck all over hell. MNASON - diligent seekers of the truth..only the truth is, what you see is what you gets. And I do not like what I am getting and never did like what I see. There is only one book with great truths and that is the Bible..read between lines and like a Shakespearian Play enlightenment comes in degrees - even Freud took to the bible (Job 19 to 21 in particular for you even find his couch there).. Be a cold day in hell when I fall on all fours moslem style to worship anybody and I do not believe man should get on knees before God, for it took us too long to get to our feet..and there are those who want us to humble ourselves before the likes of Henry Kissinger who would have us begging for food and crumbs from his table - did that guy ever work for a living, for he is not that bright - for he
Re: [CTRL] Fungus GM Foods
--- ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_773000/773005.stm What could have caused the Irish Potato famine? Wasn't it on this list that I read that the famine was deliberately engineered by the British as a genocide against the Irish? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Problem with list
I've only experienced "unsolicited sign-off" one time in my CTRL subscription. Because of the complicated procedure required and precise wording it takes to initiate "subscription" or "signoff" I too felt as if an unseen third party were responsible. There is undoubtedly illegal monitoring of such open forum conversation and reporting of conspiracy concerns, after all, perfect paranoia is perfect awareness. WAS. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Francis Drake's Discovery Hidden By Elizabethan Conspiracy
--- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last Updated: Saturday 5 August 2000 OPINION 'Compelling' discovery rewrites B.C. history: Elizabethan conspiracy hid Francis Drake's true discovery for 400 years Bill, what is the source for this? I'd like to share it with someone, but I will get ripped up one side down the other if I don't provide a source, and "Got this in my email" won't wash with them. I'm sure others on the list may want to know, too. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
You need to study your history a lot better! Starvation was the name of the game at that time and even children participated in the crusades. Why would areas be plagued by rats? READ: The Naked Rise Of Communism by Frank L. Kluckhohn Monarch books Derby, Connecticut 1962 it cost .75cents in 1962, it will cost you from $6.00 to $8.00 US Dollars for a paperback copy today. And the hard back is more. It is an excellent book and shows what Communism actually does. After that research the "Travels of John Smith" During his time cannibalism was still widespread across the Asian and European continent. The question I have is did The Piper take the children or did the townspeople see the potential that he might be able to teach them a trade for a better life? Bad health habits can lead to rats. Did the Piper actually play a pipe or teach the town how to get rid of the rats. Some one that did not like rats and knew how to get rid of them. I wish I was that good. And the coin of value is not money but education. Watch what you say about the Piper (keyword) without doing a lot more study. ThePiedPiper 13August2000 Aleisha Saba wrote: Ty: The bible code I have is a timetable calendar which was in the 1954 Gideon placed Bible, but only in this one very special bible. It has nothing to do with cabala or with this stupid Washington Post Reporter who came up with his own number code - that is old hat. This is a bible calendar code where certain murders or acts of sabatage are keyed to certain dates and times..the astronauts took a Gideon Bible with them to the moon from which they read - they also jokingly took Jean Dixon's predictions (astrology) to the moon for she as a political propagandist over and over reported Russia Will Beat Us to the Moon. Now this calendar code is somewhat abstract - for you read one thing but the names are different, but same old cast of characters..Albert Speer in his book with regard to men at Spandau (and Nixon latched onto Speer) for October was a reference to the bible watchword calendar, which was taken away from the Baron by the Russians for you see this bible code, the Russians are onto and usedmasonic stuff and the masonic order is an international order. So somehow two forces used this calendar - one for good and one for evil - yet, behind these two forces you have the same pupeteer pulling the strings, hiring the killers - in God's name they murder and in Satan's name they would rule the universe.. Same guy authored the whole book for good and for evil. This bible goes into every country in the world nearly..you can communicate in any languagelike Romans 13, as I recall it is said they seek to kill me, for I am telling you the truthand in Hebrews - need to kill the witness so they cannot testify.Luke 22 is the Mafia Kiss of Death and this has become a burlesque of the truth.cute stuff, but behind it all cold blooded murder like Dallas November 22, 1963 and the day Lincoln was Shot (and Johnson was half shot).Jim Bishop always used The Day...was shot.so honest an approach but assassination is such a polite politically correct as they say term? So first you need to pick up the code watch words like Acts 19...Apollo he craft that came to naught timed to bible code and then you find further that Paul and Barnabas were called Mercury and Juperterand in Song of Solomon, you find Gemini - the Twins, Castor and Pollux.in Genesis you find the astrological symbolism for the 12 tribesGad, is the Overcomers.remember that old song We Shall Overcome and Song of Solomon, I am Black but Comely equates to Black is Beautiful...one force triggers another but behind it all, the same old puppeteers and he who has the gold calls the tune. Like Pied Piper of Hamlin.the children were led away to the mountains to death, because the parents refused to pay the Piper and the iniquities of the fathers were visited upon the childrenoh see America today, our children being drawn away and sometimes to their deaths at the rock festivals where drugs are promotedwatch television and kids of this generation believe it was always this way? See Macho Man Clinton lad the kids off to primrose path with his evil ways.but then what one does in his own bedroom is his own business - but in the Oval Office, it is everybody's business especially when we see America destroyed from within. See how they spend money as though there is no limit.70 million to investigate little Monica and Clinton while they ignore Los Alamos? Do you know when the Mafia meets in a motel, they open the Gideon Bible as if to call a meeting..used to be the Gidons were called the Christian Commercial Travelers and sold "insurnce"traveled in pairs, dressed in black.like Fuller Brush Man - and never answer your door to the Avon Lady if you get involved in
Re: [CTRL] Vigilante Vigil (1st 2nd)
From: "Robert F. Tatman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carrying this a little further, it seems that modern corporations, and by extension modern government, offer a safe haven for many psychopaths, whose antisocial or asocial conduct goes unnoticed or at most subsumed under the rubric of good, aggressive business practices. Yes! In fact I would make an argument that the modern corporate mentality (which has been adopted by modern politics) REWARDS certain psychopathic behaviors "Workaholism" can be as debilitating and destructive as any other "-aholism", yet it is the one addictive behavior which is nurtured and encouraged in our society, especially by business. Long gone are the days where a company "looked after" their workforce...now the driving force behind a company's business plan is how much money can be made for the executive board, and perhaps the investors -- and if that requires laying off long-time workers, so be it. And amongst the first to get the pink slip are anyone who dared to try to have a private life outside of the office. I'm not talking about slackers here -- I'm talking about good, productive workers who routinely work their full shifts, pitch in when needed and work necessary overtime...but who DO leave at the end of the work day to pick up their kids and who spend time with their families on weekends instead of coming in to work when such OT isn't needed... These are the people who are seen as 'not being team players', and who get the walking papers first...while those who perhaps aren't as productive, but spent their time goofing off with the 'right people' retain their positions... I work at a small company which is seen as an 'up and comer', where this mentality is rife...the company designed a 'rec room', complete with pool table, for employees to be able to take a break during the day...all well and good, but what you see are the 'in' crowd playing pool most of the day, and then staying after hours so that it seems they are putting in OT (BTW, this is a customer-service company, so when these people are playing pool, customers are not being serviced) But while it is acceptable to play pool for hours during the workday because the big bosses like to play pool, we are having a hard time trying to get the company to institute flextime; just this past week they sent out a questionaire to employees, where on one question we had to explain to them just what we would do with flextime if we had it. I consider such a question an invasion of privacy; I don't feel it's any of the company's business WHAT any employee would do outside of work with the flexible hours. But it demonstrates this company's attitude that we don't -- or shouldn't have -- a life outside of work. This place forces us to attend meetings and classes after hours, and we aren't paid extra for it. It is a real hardship for people with children, but everyone HAS to attend, and if you don't you're marked as someone who 'doesn't fit into the team'... And so you have children being raised by parents who are either successful at playing this game, and so get the message that such antisocial and asocial behaviors (as applied to workers' families and society at large) are to be encouraged because they are rewarded; or you have children being raised by parents who have not succeeeded at playing the game, who have either been routinely passed over for promotion or laid off outright, and so the same message is driven home to the next generation... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
I've heard of it -- at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blemtax2.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BBC News | SCOTLAND | GM destruction go-ahead soon, says union
http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_773000/773005.stm Title: BBC News | SCOTLAND | GM destruction go-ahead soon, says union low graphics version | feedback | help You are in:UK: Scotland Front PageWorld UK Northern Ireland Scotland Wales UK PoliticsBusinessSci/TechHealthEducationEntertainmentTalking PointIn DepthAudioVideo Thursday, 1 June, 2000, 13:40 GMT 14:40 UK GM destruction go-ahead soon, says union Thousands of acres may have been sown There are claims farmers who accidentally sowed genetically modified seeds may soon get permission to destroy affected crops before they flower - without jeopardising special aid payments. Scottish National Farmers Union officials say the European Commission has signalled its intention to allow the crops to be destroyed before 30 June. Farmers could then leave their ground fallow for the summer and still be eligible for payments under the Arable Aid Scheme. SNFU president Jim Walker said part of the battle had been won, but the vital issue of compensation has still to be resolved. Jim Walker: "EU go-ahead soon" A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said it was too early to comment on the implications, because the commission were still preparing legal documents. Rural Affairs Minister Ross Finnie told the Scottish Parliament that he would be looking for Advanta, the company which distributed the seeds, to compensate the Scottish farmers affected. Mr Finnie said it would be wrong for the executive to promise interim public compensation as that might encourage Advanta to delay. The minister also told MSPs that the executive had been represented at London talks with the company. On Wednesday it emerged that Mohammed al-Fayed is offering to help pay the SNFU's legal costs for any court action for compensation over the entire GM seeds affair. Mr Walker welcomed the approach, along with the businessman's pledges of support for other aspects of the union's campaign. Mohamed al-Fayed: Help pledge Mr Walker said: "Mr al-Fayed has offered any help in the future that we may require, including financial help, if we have to take a court case out against a third party for this whole debacle. "It's quite nice to know that somebody of his alleged wealth would be prepared to back us in any efforts that we have to get compensation for all our members. "His farm in the north has a membership of our union and we would represent him the same as we would represent any other member of this organisation and it just so happens that he has something of a public profile and more cash than the normal cash-strapped farmer in Scotland at the moment." Mr al-Fayed's gesture came after it emerged that staff at his Balnagowan Estate in Easter Ross had sown 55 acres of the contaminated oilseed rape. In the last two years it is believed that up to 600 British farmers may have planted more than 30,000 acres of oilseed rape supplied by Advanta. The company said it thought the seed was contaminated with GM rape pollen from a neighbouring field in 1998. The Scottish NFU has called on government ministers to pursue Advanta for compensation and pay full interim payments to farmers affected. Search BBC News Online Advanced search options BBC NEWS 24 BULLETIN BBC ONE TV NEWS WORLD NEWS SUMMARY PROGRAMMES GUIDE See also: 30 May 00|Scotland 'Don't destroy GM crops' 28 May 00|Scotland Farmers pressed to destroy GM crops 19 May 00|UK Legal action over GM seeds rejected 25 May 00|UK Politics Court action threatened over GM crops 23 May 00|UK Politics Protest over GM blunder 01 Jun 00|Scotland Al-Fayed anger in GM seed row Internet links: HarrodsScottish ExecutiveMinistry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites Other top Scotland stories: Galbraith stands by exam results Drivers face road bridge chaos Athletes feel the sting Film festival 'welcomes Clooney' UK 'failing to tackle racism' Letting off steam over exam chaos Galbraith urged to resign Minister confirms exam mistakes Links to top Scotland stories are
Re: [CTRL] Fungus GM Foods
There were other variables that I am still finding out. Granted it "seems" possible that they might have speculated about plant diseases considering what Nobel prizes were awarded and when BUT I do not think so. There was a particularly good year the previous year and many potatoes were left in the field. If you know that the potato is a member of the nightshade family and that the whole plant will turn poisonous with age. By leaving them in the fields to decompose they could have set themselves up with bad soil, then when the weather turned foul the next year the scene had already been set for fungus. Unless the English also controlled the weather in 1845... I am not disparaging what happened and how it was handled. I am attempting to say that by plowing those GM crops under that some organic farmers may be setting themselves up for the same situation. Fungus attacks potties, wheat, grapes, and many other plants as well. http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_773000/773005.stm ThePiedPiper 13August2000 Tenorlove wrote: --- ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_773000/773005.stm What could have caused the Irish Potato famine? Wasn't it on this list that I read that the famine was deliberately engineered by the British as a genocide against the Irish? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 NEW http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
OK... Thanks Tenorlove! Appreciate the insight.. However, I still do not put past the government to find a way to TAX the internet. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I've heard of it -- at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blemtax2.htm __ . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Executive Summary: Leveling the Playing Field
To those who remember the Great U.S. Steel Industry - in 1960 period a friend of mine had a father who owned small steel company; during WWII they were poor but in scrap industry suddenly became rich.but he gave me an article to read for this young man was concerned about the steel industry - the article told of how steel could be imported from Japan, and costs and all, still be sold cheaper over here than it cost to make over here.this shocked me for the handwriting was the wall then. JFK took on U.S. Steel, for they had raised the price of steel..he called them sons-of-you know whats when they raised the price of steel when as I recall they had said the would not - upon learning JFK had called them such a name, they founded the SOB's Club.big joke. Today this article is example of one of our greatest industries now on their knees begging for crumbs at the feet of who? Where did this all really begin - well Americans in Ohio were told that big business loved Income Tax and the people of Ohio voted for an Income Tax state-wide, and we were told also this would lower property taxes - money goes to schools.we were sold sam bill of goods re the corrupt Lottery system.know of a cadillac dealer who won big lottery twice - does lightning really strike same place twice or was this suspect? So much for New Jersey gamblers who set up our lottery; today same criminals corrupt everything they touch. US Steel provided good paying Union jobs; but suddenly like Bill Gates today, somebody goes after ATT as a monopoly and sudden end result, Western Electric here once had great jobs and thrived in 70 periodnow a skeleton and even management is getting the ax and former king makers under same table begging for crumbs from whom? Never knew a lot of big business, but I keep remembering that article this kid gave me, his name was Al Silberstein - and he was a brilliant young man - he foresaw then, what is happening now. Interesting item here - once US Steel House on TV was biggest show on TV..first cuss words uttered on TV when Lloyd Bridges yelled out sons of biches after he lost control in a role he was playing about lynching of young mexican for a crime he did not commit. So - will America do until Bill Gates what Amrican did unto U.S. Steel - for you see, first they broke the Unions quietly by inviting UAW and AFCME and other labor leaders into CFR - back in he 60 period to me politics was fun - we had had Kennedy - and then that day in Dallas suddenly, the fun was gone - not quite the same and the fact that a President could be assassinated in a conspiracy of silence, I still find shocking. Saba Leveling the Playing Field: Antidumping and the U.S. Steel Industry Executive Summary Driven by mercantilist trade distortions that underlie the global economic crisis, foreign exports of steel to the United States have hit record levels in 1998 and are continuing at high levels in 1999. This sudden flood of steel into the United States has forced U.S. steel mills to close or slow production and put thousands of steel workers out of work. These problems have, in turn, sparked a debate over what response, if any, the U.S. government should pursue. This paper analyzes the causes and impact of the surge in steel imports and analyzes the appeal of various policy responses, including U.S. trade laws aimed at countering unfair trade practices, such as subsidization and dumping. The world steel market is perhaps the most distorted industrial market in the world. To achieve economic and political objectives, many countries have pursued industrial policies aimed at nurturing a steel industry with trade protection and subsidies. In contrast, the United States steel industry has generally not been the recipient of such special treatment. The U.S. economy is open and subsidies have been very limited, especially when compared to those of other major industrial countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, the U.S. steel industry had serious competitive problems, but $50 billion in new investment has built an industry with some of the highest productivity levels and lowest costs in the world. Success in today's highly distorted world steel market, however, often has less to do with investment, adoption of new technology and increased labor productivity than with the industrial and trade policies of foreign governments. The combined result of the numerous steel industrial policies is that the world has tremendous excess production capacity in steel. In such a situation, the high-fixed cost structure of the steel industry encourages fierce price competition during downturns. The involvement of governments, which press for keeping production lines open and workers employed, greatly accentuates this tendency. Dumping sales in export markets below cost or sales below the price in the home market is the frequent result. The United States has frequently used antidumping laws, which
[CTRL] The Revolt of the Masses
Here's a short discussion of the book from Jerry Pournelle, best known for his science fiction novels, but also for his writings on computers and civilizations. Lessons from the Revolt of the Masses by Jerry Pournelle Thursday, April 13, 2000 http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/issue364/item 9054.asp The 20th century was and remains instructive, and we will be examining its lessons for a good part of this ambiguous year that is not quite part of the last millennium nor yet part of the next. Some of the lessons were foreseen, although like Cassandra our prophets spoke truth but were not believed. Other lessons are only now emerging. Controlling the masses You can characterize the 20th century in many ways, which is to say there are many lenses through which we can look at history. Choosing one and only one is a great mistake. Any one view is certainly wrong in some to many particulars, but we can learn from all of them. Marx and Freud had much to teach, but choosing either as one's master is folly. One observer not much remembered now is the Spanish philosopher Jose Ortega y Gasset, whose best-remembered book, The Revolt of the Masses, is still worth reading. The title is as good a one-line summary of the 20th century as any: a century in which the 18th-century notion of individualism held sway. That notion, as Ortega puts it, is that "every human being, by the mere fact of birth, and without requiring any special qualification whatsoever, possessed certain fundamental political rights . and these rights, common to all, are the only ones that exist." These notions kicked around in the 19th century, but it was only in the last half of the 20th that they came into their own. Now everyone believes in that philosophy or at least purports to. The consequences are grave. A few are obvious. When I was young, it was uncommon to put citizens accused but not convicted of crimes in chains. Only if the accused proved to be unruly was he handcuffed, and only if especially unruly was he put in full chains. Now we see elderly ladies led into the courtroom in handcuffs, leg irons, waist chains, looking for all the world like Jean Valjean being led to the galleys. When the absurdity is pointed out, we are told that because some people are unruly and violent and cannot be controlled even with handcuffs, equality demands that we do it with all. Even traffic stops often result in citizens with no criminal record and accused of no more than unpaid traffic tickets being taken to the stationhouse in handcuffs. We have learned the lesson: If you treat everyone equally, then you must treat everyone as the worst possible villain. To retain civilized equality we must give up civilization, or at least civility. Ortega thought the fundamental danger of the century was the supremacy of the state over society. Mussolini's fascism was a mere extension of the notion of liberal democracy that all social problems are amenable to action by the state, with the result that spaws the question: "Can we help feeling that under the rule of the masses the State will endeavor to crush the independence of the individual and the group, and thus definitely spoil the harvest of the future?" Certainly David Koresh and his followers in Waco would have understood that. Power at all cost On the other hand, Ortega was wrong in one particular. He believed that the old-fashioned kind of dictatorship was impossible. One could not rule by Janissaries or Mamelukes if only because the dictator needed the approval of his security apparatus: If you will rule through a gang of thugs you must retain the loyalty of the thugs. That has been proven wrong again and again. After Stalin died there was not a Stalinist left in the leadership of the USSR (although there were plenty among the faculty of American universities). Modern methods of social control are quite efficient. Rome endured centuries of civil war as legion after legion revolted to raise their commander to the purple. Nothing like that happened in the USSR so long as it endured, and nothing like that has happened in Cuba. Castro rules supreme and can still make mischief as he will, the suffering and privation of his people notwithstanding. And that is another important lesson for dictators taught by the last century: If you are a dictator, never let go. Hang on to the last. Contrast the declining years of Augustin Pinochet and Fidel Castro if you want a dramatic illustration. Of course, that advice may be easier to give than to take. Once again the 20th century teaches a stark lesson for dictators: If you want to remain in power, get nuclear weapons. You do not need many, but you must have some. It used to be that you didn't need any of your own; a firm alliance with a power that had them would do. Both the United States and the USSR protected unsavory regimes with their nuclear umbrellas.
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, where the US Post Office is going to make use of the internet and there will be a charge - not sure what they want to do, but it would be first big foot in door.some kind of a mail service for which you would receive a monthly fee - and would probably be hooked up to something government controlled. This is the beginning and it went by without much noticeit was not on E Mail, but something about hooking up with banks to pay bills, etc., and you paid so much a month for the service. No way they could charge for us sending E Mails; I already pay a monthly bill for Web TV service and the only thing I hate is this battery operated keyboard which drags along and will no exceed certain speeds.then is time to change the battery. I am concerned about these free E Mail Services, for if US Post Office starts such a thing, AOL and Yahoo and others will follow. More jobs would be lost presumably and pretty soon it would be just another racket - like Cable TV - we still have to watch advertising while paying for this service - more like double dipping? So now today our phone company is in the cable TV service and as ususal, talk about price fixing and violation of anti trust laws - prices go up, not down and yet cable and tv is nothing now but controlled propaganda through writers, etc. No Senate or House Bill has a letter P - they are HB-0 for SB- and maybe an R for a Resolution.But that item circulates and is a reminder that something is brewing. So maybe someone wants to check out this US Postal Service - for they are getting into the business as is on drawing board, providing their own mail servicethen someday maybe they buy out the others? Bigi mergers now - and when these people merge - stock goes up but from where do they make the big bucks with free service? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Labor Party Press - Don't Blow Away Social Security
A prudent man never gambles away more than he can afford; yet Wall Street and that is nothing but the numbers racket, wants your Social Security Money - and Clinton, boy that guy is to get it is alleged, 8 million dollars a year as an investor? So this item is worth a read; Social Security is money that belongs to you - Americans walking into a trap if they fall for this one - the mob awaits you in Wall Street Saba Current Issue Archives Labor Party Home Join the Labor Party! Don't Blow Away Social Security There is no Social Security crisis. But if Democrats and Republicans get their way and privatize the system, there will be. "It's weird," says economist Dean Baker of the Preamble Center, who has been studying and writing about Social Security reform. "We're all looking at the same numbers, and what the numbers say even the pessimistic ones is that we could take absolutely no action on Social Security for the next 34 years, and the program would continue to pay out all its benefits." And yet, politicians of both parties are all aflutter about the need to radically reform Social Security right away. The picture they paint does sound grim: Mostly because people are living longer, today's workforce is supporting a greater and greater number of Social Security recipients. And the trend will probably continue. In 1995, there were nearly five people under 65 for every one person over retirement age. But by 2030, the ratio will be more like three workers for every retiree. And since Social Security is actually a pay-as-you-go system current workers pay for current retirees that spells trouble. (See "Social Security Basics") For the time being, we can supplement the shortfall by drawing from the extra pot of money the Social Security system has amassed (the Social Security Trust Fund). But then, in 2034, according to some projections, that fund will be depleted, and Social Security money will have to come from active workers alone. And, under the current formula, they would only be able to cover about 75 percent of the benefits retirees had been promised from Social Security. President Clinton and members of Congress say "saving" Social Security is at the top of their agenda (after impeachment, of course). Many recipes have been written for rescuing Social Security. The most extreme plans involve privatization. Some people want the Social Security payroll withholding to go into our own "personal security account" that we can invest ourselves. Less radical plans would allow the Social Security Trust Fund to be invested in the stock market, where it would supposedly get a higher return than where it is invested now, in U.S. Treasury bonds. President Clinton favors a combination of both ideas: He wants to invest part of the Social Security Fund (eventually up to 15 percent of it) in the stock market. He also proposes setting up voluntary new private accounts for middle- and low- income Americans but outside the Social Security system. At a time when the stock market is in the stratosphere, record numbers of Americans are investing, and the airwaves are full of experts advising the general public on how to get the best return, the idea of turning Social Security into a personal Wall Street investment portfolio is appealing to a lot of people. But not everybody's sold on the idea. To begin with, many people question whether there even will be a Social Security shortfall. They argue that the Social Security hullabaloo is all based on some very gloomy economic projections made by Social Security trustees. In their reports, the trustees assume that over the next 75 years, the U.S. economy will grow at less than half the rate it has grown for the past 75 years. According to a report by the New York-based Century Foundation, an increase in annual economic growth of just .15 percentage points over the next 35 years would raise output by as much as the combined increase in the cost of both Social Security and Medicare. Meaning: Workers of the future may have no trouble supporting the growing ranks of the retired. And yet, our politicians have managed to convince a majority of Americans that there really is a crisis at hand. Polls of younger Americans show that many believe they can expect little or no money from Social Security when they retire (unless, perhaps, the system is radically changed). So who started this rush for a "solution" to the Social Security "crisis"? Follow the money. Wall Street could stand to gain $240 billion in fees within the first 12 years of a privatized system, according to economist Christian Weller. That, he points out, is enough to give 20,000 fund managers an annual salary of $1 million each. No wonder the financial industry has spent millions of dollars of late to promote the idea of Social Security privatization. Economist Dean Baker believes there's a deeper motive behind the privatization push: "I think much of this is being driven by people who are just
[CTRL] The governments' secret trillions
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Dave Kuehne" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dave" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The governments' secret trillions Date: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:45 AM Taxes for us, Trillions for them! Can you say T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y? -DaveK- "These so-called governments are in reality only great bands of robbers and murderers, organized, disciplined, and constantly on the alert." - Lysander Spooner, 1869 begin attachment Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf_news/2806_xngme_the_govern.shtml The governments' secret trillions Geoff Metcalf interviews Walter Burien on hidden public money By Geoff Metcalf © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Are local and state governments strapped with severe budgetary constraints? Far from it, according to public investment expert Walter Burien. Credited with discovering the existence of an elusive government document called the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, Burien provides a fascinating peek inside the true financial worth of governments today. Thousands of these reports nationwide document the trillions of dollars of assets held by everything from the local water district to large state governments. WorldNetDaily columnist Geoff Metcalf recently interviewed Burien about his work in educating the taxpaying public. Metcalf's daily radio show can be heard on TalkNetDaily weekdays from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. Eastern time. Question: For those who do not already know the story, how did you ever find out about these Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports? Answer: About 10 years ago, I had been a commodities broker on Wall Street for 15 years. I was one of the first tenants in the World Trade Center. I did an international newsline coast to coast on commodities. I thought I knew what was going on; I thought I was one of those sharp little crackers. I always thought government was maybe hiding 5 to 10 percent maximum of the revenue and not reporting it to the public. There was a governor who got elected named Jim Florio in New Jersey back in 1990 on a new tax platform. As soon as he got into office, there was a $2.8 billion tax increase -- the largest in the state's history. The public was not too happy, and a couple of DJs, John and Ken out in Los Angeles, they started doing some rabble-rousing and taking calls from listeners on examples of waste and misspending in government. I heard small figures -- $15,000, $25,000. The highest figure I heard was $85,000. Q: Chump change. A: Right. Being a commodity-trading adviser, I pulled out the Budget Report, which was the only thing I was aware of at the time. They had $11 billion on-budget, $6 billion off-budget, so the total service budget was $17 billion for the year. Net available: $25.6 billion. So I called into the radio show and said, "Come on guys; you're missing the whole point. The state is dealing with billions of dollars. The highest figure I heard was $85,000." I said if there is fraud, waste and misspending taking place, it's taking place on the order of tens of billions if not hundreds of billions. The DJs challenged us to start an organization. So, the next day, I got together with nine other people and incorporated a group called "Hands Across New Jersey." John and Ken rabble-roused and, when we had our first rally, 115,000 people converged on Trenton and shut the Capitol down. I decided to start looking at the budget revenue and finance so if I were approached with questions, I'd know what I was talking about. Q: So where did you look? A: When I looked at the budget, which was all I knew about, I noticed large, cash-cow investment agencies of state government were not on the report, the New Jersey Turnpike, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey -- no large returns from investment funds. Now they gave mention of the different agencies on the report but not the revenue. Q: Don't state treasurers have to report this stuff when they are investing on Wall Street? A: Here's where it broke down. I knew the director of the budget was on vacation until the following Tuesday of the next week. I called his office and found out who his two lower assistants were. I said, "Hi. This is Walter Burien. I'm working on a report for Richard and I have to have it done by Tuesday when he gets back from vacation. I need all the figures on all the autonomous agency accounts and trust accounts and investment accounts." And he said, "Oh, you want the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report." I said, "Could I have a copy?" He said I'd better ask Mark (the next one down the line from the budget director). Q: Notwithstanding your 15 years on Wall Street, you had never heard of this animal before? A: First time. But I played the cards as they were dealt. I
[CTRL] Fwd: Labor Party Press - Clinton to Steelworkers: Too Bad!
Price of steel is such a boring subject; but I remember when all the flack began about the WTO meeting and people spoke of jobs going to Mexica and Chinese imports flooding the market, Clinton said "hey, there are a lot of cheap goods out there for you to buy". So fine - I like good cheap quality goods - but if you do not have a job how you going to buy it? Clinton's idea of solving problem was to give Steel Companies a 300 million dollar tax break? Thought only a Congress could do that. Trafficante is from the Youngstown area - and today these once thriving citiies look like ghost towns.time to build and a time to tear down, but they are building in Mexico and around the world so we can have "cheap" products? What logic..a billionaire pays the same for his food as parents of children living in a slum. So - where were the Unions when big business and CFR NWO sold them out? Well some were sitting in CFR meetings as full fledged members Saba Current Issue Archives Labor Party Home Join the Labor Party! Clinton to Steelworkers: "Too Bad!" USWA President George Becker denounces Clinton trade policy at the LP Convention. Photo ©Michael Kaufman, Impact Visuals Several thousand Ohio Valley steelworkers marched to Bill Clinton's doorstep on January 20, angry at the administration's failure to stanch the flood of cheap steel imports that have caused thousands of steelworkers to be laid off in recent months. This struggle has a history. For over a year, the Steel Workers union has lobbied and cajoled the President. They came up with a whole set of recommendations to deal with the problem. They filed complaints with the U.S. Commerce Department charging that Japan, Brazil, and Russia were violating international trade laws against "dumping." Finally, in early January, Bill Clinton announced he had a plan: He would give a $300 million tax break to U.S. steel companies over the next five years. The Steelworkers were irate. In a letter to Clinton, United Steel Workers of America president George Becker asked, "What will $300 million in tax breaks do for steelworkers' families, whose dreams of a decent life are being crushed...or for those communities which will be devastated when these mills go down? We do not need tax breaks for the steel industry, nor do we need a pat on the head and a special pass to move us to the front of the unemployment line." "We knew Bill Clinton was a big 'free trader' back when we first got him elected," says United Steel Workers of America spokesman Gary Hubbard. But with an estimated 20,000 U.S. steelworkers laid off or cut back in the past few months, the union expected more from a Democratic president. Back in 1992, when then-candidate Clinton was looking for votes in the Ohio Valley, he promised steelworkers there he would enforce anti-dumping laws. "I think it's fair to say that he lied to the Ohio Valley," Mark Glyptis of the Independent Steelworkers told the marchers on January 20. Clinton, he added, "has done virtually nothing for the American steelworker" since coming to office. [Trafficante where were youthis is another big like by Pinnochio] Clinton likes to tell U.S. workers to become "more competitive in the global economy." And ironically, probably no basic U.S. industry is as "competitive" as steel today. After a wrenching period of cutbacks brought on by global competition and technological change, the U.S. steel industry is now a relatively low-cost supplier of steel. It produces more steel than before, with a fraction of the workforce. But apparently that contraction wasn't sufficient to satisfy the demands of the global market. The recent layoffs are mostly the result of the Asian economic crisis. Because of bad economic conditions, steel producers in Japan, Korea, Brazil, and Russia aren't able to sell all their steel domestically, and so they "dump" steel on the U.S. market at prices that don't even cover the cost of production. Japanese steel shipments increased more than 400 percent in the first nine months of 1998. Sales of U.S. steel have dropped, and as a result, workers have been laid off in droves. Some are predicting that up to 85,000 steelworkers about half the nation's steel workforce could be laid off if the imports aren't restricted. What the union wants, explains Hubbard, is an emergency restraint on steel imports to bring the level back to what it was before the economic crisis began, in July 1997. Then, imports represented about 20 percent of the U.S. steel market. Today, imports account for 50 percent of the market. The union says such a restraint would only be temporary. It could be lifted once the union's complaints had been heard. The union had cooperated with steel companies in asking for import restrictions. But Clinton, true to form, ignored workers' pleas and decided instead to help out the companies. The Clinton administration, the world's top cheerleader for the right of global capital to do
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
E-Mails sometimes already have paid advertisements attached. There is another list that I am on that has one of those pay per clicks attached to the e-mails. Others are run or supported or carried by companies like a hospital, a magazine or like this list by AOL which owns Time/Warner and Netscape among others. If you do not think that the company monitors the list or has list monitors of one type or another Especially on what amounts to a news list like this one. The internet is supported by advertising - these may be called e-MAILs but they are no more mail then checking out a changing web page. Person to Person (car, plane, ect) traveling to check out stores and their advertisements Mail with signatures that "can" not be changed Phone with the person's voice that you recognize electronic communication Does an e-mail replace a letter? Does a Thank You phone call replace a Thank You note? Does a Thank You note replace a gift? Does a Gift replace the time spent delivering it in person? how much is your time worth and the person you are Thanking? If this is classed the same as a letter or otherwise it would prove that America has lost it's basic manners and worth. ThePiedPiper 13August2000 Aleisha Saba wrote: Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, where the US Post Office is going to make use of the internet and there will be a charge - not sure what they want to do, but it would be first big foot in door.some kind of a mail service for which you would receive a monthly fee - and would probably be hooked up to something government controlled. This is the beginning and it went by without much noticeit was not on E Mail, but something about hooking up with banks to pay bills, etc., and you paid so much a month for the service. No way they could charge for us sending E Mails; I already pay a monthly bill for Web TV service and the only thing I hate is this battery operated keyboard which drags along and will no exceed certain speeds.then is time to change the battery. I am concerned about these free E Mail Services, for if US Post Office starts such a thing, AOL and Yahoo and others will follow. More jobs would be lost presumably and pretty soon it would be just another racket - like Cable TV - we still have to watch advertising while paying for this service - more like double dipping? So now today our phone company is in the cable TV service and as ususal, talk about price fixing and violation of anti trust laws - prices go up, not down and yet cable and tv is nothing now but controlled propaganda through writers, etc. No Senate or House Bill has a letter P - they are HB-0 for SB- and maybe an R for a Resolution.But that item circulates and is a reminder that something is brewing. So maybe someone wants to check out this US Postal Service - for they are getting into the business as is on drawing board, providing their own mail servicethen someday maybe they buy out the others? Bigi mergers now - and when these people merge - stock goes up but from where do they make the big bucks with free service? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
A. Saba I totally agree with your posting below; and couldn't have said it better. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, where the US Post Office is going to make use of the internet and there will be a charge - not sure what they want to do, but it would be first big foot in door.some kind of a mail service for which you would receive a monthly fee - and would probably be hooked up to something government controlled. This is the beginning and it went by without much noticeit was not on E Mail, but something about hooking up with banks to pay bills, etc., and you paid so much a month for the service. No way they could charge for us sending E Mails; I already pay a monthly bill for Web TV service and the only thing I hate is this battery operated keyboard which drags along and will no exceed certain speeds.then is time to change the battery. I am concerned about these free E Mail Services, for if US Post Office starts such a thing, AOL and Yahoo and others will follow. More jobs would be lost presumably and pretty soon it would be just another racket - like Cable TV - we still have to watch advertising while paying for this service - more like double dipping? So now today our phone company is in the cable TV service and as ususal, talk about price fixing and violation of anti trust laws - prices go up, not down and yet cable and tv is nothing now but controlled propaganda through writers, etc. No Senate or House Bill has a letter P - they are HB-0 for SB- and maybe an R for a Resolution.But that item circulates and is a reminder that something is brewing. So maybe someone wants to check out this US Postal Service - for they are getting into the business as is on drawing board, providing their own mail servicethen someday maybe they buy out the others? Bigi mergers now - and when these people merge - stock goes up but from where do they make the big bucks with free service? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
Thank you... Robert, Tenorlove provided a good link for info on this... http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blemtax2.htm But one can't help but wonder what, indeed, will happen with the future of email and internet services when it comes down to anti-trust laws and all the internet providers, some of which are becoming very large conglomerates. Just keeping my eyes open to the possibilities! :-) eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Robert F. Tatman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? This is a hoax. - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail
[CTRL] WITCH HUNT INFORMATION CENTER
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[CTRL] GREECE TO PULL UP GENETICALLY MODIFIED COTTON
GREECE TO PULL UP GENETICALLY MODIFIED COTTON ATHENS, Greece, August 11, 2000 (ENS) - Greek agriculture minister Giorgos Anomeritis has ordered the destruction of between 2,000 and 4,000 hectares (4,942 and 9,884 acres) of cotton found to be contaminated with genetically modified material. For full text and graphics visit: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/aug2000/2000L-08-11-01.html -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 NEW http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
Didn't mean you personally Piper; for music we know can have a fatal attraction for it was a magic tune the Piper played. Too may rats? What did this symbolize when Prince Philip said people are like rats when they are crowded..such a nice man straight out of a fairy tale? Sorry Piper - will drop that legend from my list. Maybe go after the song of the Sirens? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Cocaine vaccine and the crazy Cohen who want to inject YOU !
It is very unfortunate that something like the Village Voice, which many of us (MISTAKENLY?) believe to be a "reliable/alternative" source of information has published this piece of JUNK JOURNALISM, which although it does give some good information on the narrow topic of it's coverage, also includes PROPAGANDA straight from the government and the pharmaceutical medical/industrial complex and all of it's legal drug-pushers. For ACCURATE information on the DANGERS of vaccination; on the FACT that they are UNPROVEN as to efficacy OR safety; on the FACT that there are THOUSANDS of infants yearly who are killed or permanently damaged by vaccines; on the very likely theory that vaccination promotes LONG TERM DETERIORATION of optimal health -leading to HIGHER PROFITS for the very industry that makes and promotes them(!!) see: http://www.asheville-computer.com/vaccine related: http://www.asheville-computer.com/homeopathy/altmedcon.htm http://www.asheville-computer.com/issues/ Please forward this, and consider sending your own comment to the editor of the Village Voice [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave New Vaccines May Drug-Proof Kids Injecting Big Brother by Carla Spartos http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0028/spartos.shtml The war on drugs may soon be over, but not because of legalization, stiffer penalties, or a truce between cartels and prohibitionists. This uneasy peace would come at the hands of pharmaceutical companies and biotech labs, which are about to unleash the ultimate weapon: the antidrug vaccine. One anti-cocaine vaccine, already shown to be safe for humans- (( *Editorial NOTES: this is OBVIOUSLY A COMPLETE CROCK OF SHIT ! NO vaccine has EVER been or EVER WILL BE "proven safe" because NONE IS!! -dave " In regions in which there is no organized vaccination of the population, general paralysis is rare. It is impossible to deny a connection between vaccination and the encephalitis (brain damage) which follows it." Journal of the American Medical Association July 3, 1926, p.45 "No batch of vaccine can be proved safe before it is given to children." Surgeon General of the United States Leonard Scheele, addressing an AMA convention in 1955 "The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used" Dr. James A. Shannon, National Institutes of Health "The decision to have your children vaccinated is yours, alone, to make" Parents Guide to Childhood Immunization, page 5, USPHS/CDC, 1977. )) -prevents people who snort coke from getting high. Researchers are also testing vaccines for nicotine. And results look promising for the eradication of PCP abuse and methamphetamine addiction. The National Institute on Drug Abuse has funded much of the development costapproximately $4.5 million since 1996. "Just as medications have been developed for other chronic diseases, such as hypertension, diabetes, and cancer," writes NIDA in its five-year strategic plan, "drug addiction is a disease that also merits medication for its treatment." Looking at social ills through a medical lens is not a new phenomenon. By studying disorders from alcoholism and compulsive gambling to attention deficit disorder and depression, scientists have discovered not only genetic factors responsible for so-called abnormal behavior, but also the way such behavior affects the brain's neural map. According to Dr. Frank Vocci, director of NIDA's Treatment Research and Development division, the antidrug vaccines can provide a powerful weapon against substance addiction, especially when combined with therapy and psychiatric medicine. And vaccines, which unleash an onslaught of drug-busting antibodies, can do what traditional treatment can't. "If a patient is in an emergency room with high methamphetamine levels and experiencing a cardiovascular crisis," says Vocci, "antibodies would bind the drug up and cause the individual to excrete it." In other words, an injection of antibodies could reduce the specter of death by overdose to a bad '70s flashback. "Who is going to get it? Those who have a history of cocaine abuse? Those who may be statistically likely to become addicts? Or do you vaccinate everybody?" Though scientists have long used vaccines to trick the immune system into thwarting lethal diseases, the antidrug vaccines are a new breed, designed to attack pleasure-inducing chemicals that the brain craves. Some of these new vaccines use antibodies that bind to the illegal drug, render it inactive, and then leave the bloodstream. Others remain potent for years. This is the type of vaccine that purged the Western world of polio and smallpoxand may put a choke hold on civil liberties. The human affinity for altering perception reaches far back in the evolutionary chain. If antidrug vaccines become widely available, parents will be
[CTRL] THE ROAD TO IRRELEVANCE THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY IN MIDDLE AGE.
THE ROAD TO IRRELEVANCE: THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY IN MIDDLE AGETHE ROAD TO
IRRELEVANCE:
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY IN MIDDLE AGE
By: Erik Jay
Ask ten different people about The John Birch Society and you will probably
get ten different responses, at least two or three of which will be some
variant of "I never heard of it." Among people familiar with the
organization, you would have to increase the sampling five- or ten-fold to
get a single positive comment.
This is a profoundly unpopular group, to put it mildly; a widely detested
one, to put it bluntly. But it is, quite frankly, even less understood than
it is admired. It is not, as most liberals think and most newspapers
dutifully parrot, allied with the Ku Klux Klan; in fact, the groups are
mortal enemies, and it was a Bircher who infiltrated the Klan for the FBI
and helped send six of its members to prison for the 1964 murders of three
young civil rights workers. It is not, as some conservatives and
libertarians believe, composed entirely of what "Liberty" magazine editor R.
W. Bradford terms "dimwit paranoids" (1) who mutter about the Illuminati or
the Zionists; there are any number of Birchers who are thoughtful,
discerning, and responsible people although the Society does have its
share of cranks, certainly.
Sadly, The John Birch Society named after a Baptist missionary killed by
the Chinese communists shortly after the end of World War II is not what
most of its members think it is, either. It isn't run by principled patriots
committed to a set of immutable "Americanist" goals, and it most certainly
is not worthy of the trust or respect its misled members deserve for the
millions of dollars they've poured into it over the years. In fact, The John
Birch Society always small but getting ever smaller, always wanting for
funds but now verging on bankruptcy, always on the fringe but now poised on
the brink of lasting obscurity is nothing more than a small, shadowy
assemblage of hypocritical moralists who don't want Americans to be free so
much as they want them to behave. Today, The John Birch Society's leaders
these men who claim to represent thousands of dutiful dues-paying patriots
while they actually pursue their own secret, self-serving agenda are
fighting a pitched battle for simple survival even as they continue to
posture as the "only real opposition" to the "enemies of freedom [who] mean
to establish total domination of the planet."
That claim by the Society's then-Chief Executive Officer, G. Allen Bubolz,
was part of a videotaped message delivered to JBS members in April of 1990.
The video, shown across the country at local Chapter meetings, was but one
of a series of endless videotaped, telemarketed, and mass-mailed appeals to
members for patience, for understanding, for resoluteness and, of course,
for more and more money. A generally aging, decidedly fractious, and
demonstrably dwindling membership is constantly harangued from JBS
headquarters in Appleton, Wisconsin (ironically, the hometown of one of the
Society's heroes, Senator Joseph McCarthy) for ever greater "sacrifices" in
the war to "save America." In Birch parlance, "sacrifice" means, in order of
importance, (a) sending money, (b) obeying directives, and (c) recruiting
new members who will do the same.
The number of dues-paying members reached a high of approximately 100,000
during Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign of 1964, in which the group's
minor, tangential, but well-advertised role presumably aided its recruiting
efforts. Never an official part of the Goldwater organization, much less the
national Republican Party machine, the Birchers nevertheless were active in
supporting the Arizona Senator's bid for the White House, as it was for them
a common cause "for God and country." Their major contribution to the
campaign their only measurable, mainstream success before or since, in
fact was the distribution through their American Opinion bookstores of
thousands of low-cost paperback editions of Goldwater's "The Conscience of a
Conservative".
Today, although reticent by dint of either embarrassment and/or
secretiveness on the subject of its size, the Society will occasionally cite
"tens of thousands and growing" (2) as a membership figure; several
employees terminated in the 1990's, whose positions made them privy to data
concerning membership, the Society's "Continuing Support Club," the
circulation figures for various publications, Chapter rosters, etc.,
estimate the number at anywhere from a low of 5,000 to a high of 20,000. But
whatever the correct number is, it is inherently misleading vis-à-vis the
Society's effectiveness.
For one thing, the structure of the Society severely limits individual
initiative; it would be impossible to calculate the amount of energy and
efficacy squandered because of the monolithic control exerted by JBS
Headquarters through its paid national field staff ("Coordinators," "Major
Coordinators," and "Fund Raisers"). For another, there is no
[CTRL] OEN 8/13/00
from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - The Heirs of Michael Milken Money Lives in Los Angeles Drexel, Burnham, Lambert, we hardly knew ye. LOS ANGELES -- For one bright but ultimately fleeting moment in the 1980's, the financial industry here was as hot as Malibu in August. Michael Milken, the former Drexel Burnham Lambert financier, presided over an X-shaped desk in Beverly Hills, managing a brain trust that helped finance the restructuring of corporate America. The headquarters for two of the country's largest commercial banks, Security Pacific Bank and First Interstate, anchored the downtown business district. And the savings and loan business prospered, offering cheap loans to home buyers and fueling California's housing boom. In a place built on the notion that fantasies can be manufactured with little more than plywood and good lighting, financiers became the Hollywood equivalent of bankable stars. Even Wall Street was awestruck by the hundred-million-dollar bonuses and huge fees generated by the junk-bond legerdemain of Mr. Milken and his minions. But fame, like natural beauty, can fade. By the end of the decade, many of the movers and shakers who enjoyed the city's moment in the sun were burned badly. Drexel declared bankruptcy in 1990; Mr. Milken served time in prison for securities violations. The major commercial banks were taken over. And many of the savings institutions, like Columbia Savings and Loan Association, crumbled under the weight of too much debt. In time, Silicon Valley, the center up north of almost all things wired, grew to a point that, though its only game was venture capital, it could claim status as the financial capital of the West. Yet Angelenos have always been adept at reinventing themselves. And quietly, the city's financial types are trying to do just that. A new generation of financiers is emerging in Los Angeles, providing financing in more diverse ways than before. Fledgling idea factories, called "incubators" because they seek to grow new companies quickly, are sprouting up from Pasadena to Santa Monica. Young, wealthy technology entrepreneurs are turning themselves into angels -- investors who use their own money to back ideas in which they believe. Even investment banks are growing again. Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, for example, one of the premiere Wall Street institutions, has doubled the size of its banking staff in Los Angeles in the last three years, to 32 professionals, adding bankers to cover the burgeoning new-media industry. Most noticeably, the venture capital business has had a facelift. The number of venture firms based in Los Angeles County has grown fourfold since 1995, to 32, according to the National Venture Capital Association. The money raised, meanwhile, quadrupled between 1997 and 1999, when it reached $1.34 billion, according to the VentureOne Corporation which also tracks the venture capital industry. That is much more than in any other county in Southern California, which raised $5.4 billion over all in the last 15 months. Such numbers probably come as a surprise to many. "This level of venture investment will likely transform the self-image of Los Angeles from an entertainment and defense economy to an entrepreneurial and technology environment," said Dave Witherow, chief executive of VentureOne in San Francisco. Of course, Los Angeles will never rival Wall Street, with its abundance of brokerage firms, commercial banks and investment firms. And it is no sure thing that this generation of financial innovators will have more staying power than the one that preceded it. Already, a handful of promising endeavors have not panned out. And some seasoned venture capitalists are playing down the prospect that Los Angeles will come into its own anytime soon. Sure, Silicon Valley financiers are making investments in Southern California companies. But they are not moving here. Instead, they are choosing to set up new operations in London or, in the case of the blue-chip firm Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield Byers, remain focused on start-ups close to home. "That is not a decision by omission," said John Doerr, a partner at Kleiner and one of the most sought-after venture capitalists. While Kleiner plans to make some investments in Southern California companies, he said, it has no plans to open offices there. The Digital Chess Game An example of the new class of investors that is rising here is Stephen Rader, a co-founder last May of Clarity Partners, a $1 billion venture firm. For him, the less competition from outsiders like Mr. Doerr, the better. "This is great to hear," he said, sounding upbeat during an interview in his ninth-floor office not far from Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. "They figure they can fly in and do it? Great," he said. "We are across the street." Los Angeles deal makers have been buzzing about Mr. Rader and his Clarity team all
[CTRL] The spy in your server
from: http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,352394,00.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,352394,00.html"G uardian Unlimited | The spy in your server/A - The spy in your server There is no hiding place on the net as governments around the world chase your data, reports Duncan Campbell Special report: privacy on the net Thursday August 10, 2000 Governments all over the world have suddenly become embroiled in controversy about electronic surveillance of the internet. In the United States, a political storm has arisen over a new FBI internet tapping system codenamed Carnivore. In Britain, the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act has just extended telephone-tapping powers to cover internet service providers (ISPs), and allows the government to arrange indiscriminate tapping or email interception for foreign police forces and security agencies. In the Netherlands, the Dutch security service BVD admitted two weeks ago that it has been collecting emails sent abroad by companies. In the Hague, laws are being prepared to allow the Justice Ministry to tap into email and subscriber records, scan messages and mobile phone calls, and track users' movements. The Australian government has passed laws allowing security agents to attack and modify computers secretly to obtain information. Many other governments have similar schemes in the pipeline. These developments are no coincidence but the direct result of secret planning over seven years by an international co-ordinating group set up by the FBI, after Congress twice refused to extend its telephone tapping powers for digital networks. Under the innocuous title of the International Law Enforcement Telecommunications Seminar (ILETS), the group has met annually to plan for and lobby to make telecommunications systems "interception-friendly". ILETS excluded lawyers and industry specialists who might have advised on the arrangements to protect privacy and human rights, or on the feasi bility and cost of the intelligence officers' wish list of interception requirements. As a result, the laws based on their recommendations have repeatedly caused controversy. The work of ILETS first came to light in late 1997, when a British researcher, Tony Bunyan, revealed collaboration between EU staff and the FBI for many years. Details of plans to compel ISPs all over the world to install secret internet interception "black boxes" in their premises appeared in Onlin e last year. A month ago, the European Parliament appointed 36 MEPs to lead a year-long investigation into Echelon - the codename for a mainly US system for monitoring traffic on commercial communications satellites. Echelon has become common parlance for the worldwide electronic eavesdropping or signals intelligence (Sigint) network run by the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) together with the US National Security Agency (NSA). The inquiry will ask if the rights of European citizens are adequately protected and ascertain whether European industry is put at risk by the global interception of communications. French politicians and lawyers have taken the lead in accusing the US and Britain of using their electronic intelligence networks to win business away from foreign rivals. US politicians have riposted that France runs a worldwide electronic intelligence system of its own - "Frenchelon", based at Domme, near Sarlat in the Dordogne, and includes an eavesdropping station in New Caledonia in the Pacific (see www.zdnet.co.uk/news/ 2000/25/ns-16207.html) . Electronic eavesdropping has become a battleground between the US and Russia. The Russian-American Trust and Cooperation Act of 2000, passed on July 19, stops President Clinton rescheduling or writing off billions of dollars of Russian debts unless a Russian spy base in Cuba is "permanently closed". This base at Lourdes, located on leased land near Havana, was the former Soviet Union's most important intelligence facility. It uses Echelon-type systems to collect data from telephone calls and satellite links covering the US. Lourdes allegedly provides "between 60% and 70% of all Russian intelligence data about the US". A defector has said that spying from Lourdes has grown dramatically following an order by Boris Yeltsin to step up economic and technological espionage against the west. The White House wants to stop the campaign to close Lourdes because other countries might then ask the US to close down its identical bases. Documents suggest the US would particularly fear the Lourdes effect spreading to Britain, Germany and Australia, where the NSA operates large sites. Its station at Menwith Hill, Yorkshire, is the largest electronic intelligence base in the world. The US is not alone in this spying. By the end of the year, the Government Technical Assistance Centre (GTAC) will have begun operations from inside MI5's headquarters at Thames House, Millbank. Its primary
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
What happens to rats if their education is to go after one another? Those that dare to teach should never stop learning themselves. ThePiedPiper 13August2000 Aleisha Saba wrote: Didn't mean you personally Piper; for music we know can have a fatal attraction for it was a magic tune the Piper played. Too may rats? What did this symbolize when Prince Philip said people are like rats when they are crowded..such a nice man straight out of a fairy tale? Sorry Piper - will drop that legend from my list. Maybe go after the song of the Sirens? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 NEW http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Early Days of the John Birch Society, Part 3
I must comment on this part of Alex Constantine's essays on the John Birch Society. Having read, corresponded and having met Mr. Sutton, I do beg to differ with my colleague and friend Alex about his characterization of Mr. Sutton, his motivations and body of work. Presented below are Mr. Sutton's answers to Alex's story. Om K Comments from Antony Sutton: Gross distortion. . EXAMPLES "The government, Sutton confides, UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF INTERNATIONAL BANKERS have kept the lid on machines that produce free energy and "acoustical levitation"" a) I have never mentioned "international bankers" in FTIR. Give me a direct quote b) acoustical levitation is worked on by US Gov and a great deal of their work is open. I have some reports right HERE. There is no "lid",JUST USUAL CLASSIFICATION c) the free energy developments I discuss are CHEMICAL processes. Use of the word "machines" suggest the writer is totally UNINFORMED of the ongoing work. Further we have the following "Sutton...contends that "possible advanced alien technology" has been reverse engineered and is squandered by the Feds" The four words in quotes are correct, the rest is not. I emphasize that Colonel Corso has not proven his case about alien tech. It i s Corso that states it has been reverse engineered., not me I did publish a document that suggests back engineering but remain skeptical Again give me a direct quote on "is squandered by the Feds" Never wrote that = Kris No problem! Unfortunately [the] facts [aren't] right . . . l. I have NEVER published in NEW AMERICAN. DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE. 2. 76 press went out of business maybe 30 years ago. They published ONE of my books 3. I dont know and have never met WCleon Skousen, Schaffley, Chester Ward, Dan Smoot, and have never been a member of Birch society. I did meet Robert Welch once, and frankly I was not too impressed. 4. I was thrown out of Hoover Institution because I would NOT go along with their fascist views. How many people does Alex know who would accept ejection rather than go along? 5. Gary North I meet maybe 35 years ago, once.Bosom ally?? And so on. Alex should know I spent four years of my life in the Army,,landed in Normandy in June 1944 and saw the worst of Nazism including Belsen and starving kids in Holland.. You think I have the slightest sympathy for Nazism, or fascism, or communism or any other "isms" you are nuts. I am just a simple libertarian who sees the state as the source of our problems Kris if you want to circulate this, its OK. But I really havnt time to reply to this nonsense... All best wishes and take a look at Hegel. Tony = Kris... for distribution if you wish For some years now Ive noted a weird almost psychedelic approach to research. I first met in when FTIR subscribers sent me stuff from a Boston outfit which stated I was a known anti-semitic etc etc. They could not of course quote any proof.So I went to Bnai Brith and asked them to check their records please. They came back and said nothing in our files,, not even a hint of anti semitism Other Jewish sources said the same. In fact the Council on Soviet Jewry saw me as an ally. I went back to this Boston outfit and asked them to retract. They gave a half hearted retraction then added another piece of nonsense ie that libertarianism is really concealed fascism. At that point I was tempted to ask what he was smoking but decided that this absurdity could go on for ever if I kept taking the bait... There is a school of politics out there that does not READ an author, they look at a publishers name, or an institution and assume whatever they want to assume, juvenile antics. . . . Nothing about my content. [The] comments are accusatory and based on nothing.. My guess is that this nonsense has its origins in Gramsci, the Italian Marxist. But I dont know. . . . Irritating thats all Im tempted to say to these people "get a life". TONY SUTTON = This is absolute nonsense. This man has a fervent imagination and little else Here are some totally erroneous quotes. "to this day he publishes in the New American" I have NEVER published in NEW AMERICAN. Dont even know what it is. "turned out books for 76 press" I think Gary Allen picked up the rights from my agent for ONE BOOK "WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER"A critique of the very people that Constantine says I approve of!! "approved separation of races in South Africa" Absolute lie., I went to SA because of my work on Gold and diamonds. [TS] = Dont know if I told you this, When I was working with the Hoover editors on the final versions of my 3 volumes I noted they were insistent that any mention of US military help to the Soviets had to be eliminated. This came from "upstairs", from Possony, Staar, Campbell etc. The CIA TYPES.. I dId not fight this on tactical grounds, I wanted to get the 3 volumes in print first.. Quietly, I told no
[CTRL] Fwd: Voices, OC Preschool Killer
LA Times Saturday, August 12, 2000 O.C. Driver Hatched Idea to Kill Kids Years Before Crime: Man accused in two deaths after his car plowed into a preschool yard tells psychiatrists it was to stop maddening government 'brain waves.' He also expresses remorse. By STUART PFEIFER, Times Staff Writer A man accused of intentionally plowing his car into a Costa Mesa preschool playground conceived the attack years in advance, hoping that killing "innocent" children would halt the voices he claims the government was beaming into his brain, according to records unsealed Friday. Psychiatric reports, released by an Orange County judge at the request of The Times, provide the first detailed look into the mind of a man accused of killing two preschoolers and injuring five others in May 1999. In interviews with psychiatrists appointed by the court, Steven Allen Abrams repeatedly expresses disbelief at his own actions while justifying them as the only way to stop the "brain waves" that flooded his mind. "I still don't believe I did it, that I could possibly do what I did," Abrams said. "I'm not a killer. . . . I love kids." The 40-year-old Santa Ana man said he doesn't care whether he's put to death but worries about encountering in court the families of the victims, Sierra Soto, 4, and Brandon Wiener, 3. "I dread the day I have to go to court to face them," he said. "There's nothing I could say to them. If I said, 'Sorry,' that wouldn't be appropriate." The 52 pages of psychiatric records portray Abrams as a man haunted by delusions that the CIA or some other government agency wanted him to become a killer. For several years, he drove by the Costa Mesa day-care center, believing that if he killed the children, the government would stop torturing his mind. According to the psychiatric records, Abrams began to display mental problems in 1994, about the time a spurned romantic relationship developed into stalking charges. He eventually spent several months in jail and psychiatric hospitals. Abrams began looking for new meaning in coincidences and became convinced people were following him, according to the records. After interviewing Abrams at the Orange County Jail, Dr. David Sheffner concluded that the accused child killer suffers from "a most severe and major disorder." Another psychiatrist, Jose Moral, found that Abrams probably didn't understand "the wrongfulness of his actions" at the time of the crime. Abrams, who has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, could face the death penalty if convicted. His trial is expected to begin in the next few weeks. Defense attorneys are expected to base their case on mental illness, but Abrams contends to the psychiatrists that he functioned normally until age 34, even raising a daughter as a single parent. Both psychiatrists traced Abrams' mental troubles to his brief relationship in 1994 with a neighbor, who broke up with him after a few weeks. Abrams pleaded guilty to stalking the ex-girlfriend but now says it was only because the judge in that case, Robert D. Monarch, "tricked" him. "He was one of the brain wave people, the judge," Abrams said in the psychiatric reports. The fatal attack at the Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center came hours after a confrontation with another driver on the Costa Mesa Freeway. When the driver of a Toyota Camry cut in front of him, Abrams said, he figured the government was behind it and proceeded to ram the car until the driver got out of his way, according to the records. He drove himself and his 19-year-old daughter home, then became enraged when he realized his actions on the freeway could cost him his driver's license and his car. "I'm going to end it all," Abrams told his daughter, Stephanie Young, according to the reports. He grabbed his keys and left the house. He was ready "to do it, after all these years of thinking about it," he states in the court records. His daughter, in interviews with the court psychiatrists, recalled that she told him, "Don't hurt anybody." The preschool, Abrams said, was an appropriate target because it was affiliated with a Baptist church. In addition to an unknown government agency, Abrams blamed the Baptist church for his troubles. He thought the church might also have been toying with his mind out of anti-Semitism. Abrams' father, who died when he was a child, was Jewish, according to the records. Abrams told psychiatrists that he drove his Cadillac Coupe de Ville past the preschool, turned around and accelerated into the playground, pinning children beneath the car. He sat in the car, weeping and rambling about the judge, until police arrived. For his insanity defense to prevail, Abrams' lawyers must prove he could not understand the consequences of his actions on the day of the crime. The two court-appointed psychiatrists, Sheffner and Moral, conclude in their reports that
Re: [CTRL] [MC] Fwd: [CTRL] Gunderson
On Terry Reed, Colby and co. ever read the Doug Valentine book on Operation Phoenix? Michael Pugliese P.S. I think the deCamp story is a money making scheme. How long will y'all rubes in the Mid-West buy that snake oil? Course we "rootless cosmopolitans" on the East and west Coasts have plenty New Age Charlatans about milking the liberals! From: Ralph McGehee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vietnam, 63-73 Pru supervised, controlled and financed by americans. Vietnam info notes published by state dept says: "the target for 69 calls For the elimination of 1800 vci a month. Gvn doc said phoenix killed 40,994. Colby testified before congress that phoenix resulted in death of 20,587 persons. Frazier, h. (Ed). (1978). Uncloaking the cia 111, 125 Vietnam, 65-68 U.s./gvn create list active nlf for assassination. After 68 tet offensive names centralized to phoenix coordinators. Collect names Tens of thousands nlf suspects. Milt. Ops such as my lai use phoenix intel. By 73, phoenix generates 300,000 polit. Prisoners in svn. Counterspy 5/73 22 Vietnam, 65-70 Details re vietnam. From 65-68 u.s. And saigon intel Services maintained an active list of vc cadre marked for assassination. Phoenix program for 69 called for "neutralizing" 1800 a month. About one Third of vc targeted for arrest had been summarily killed. Security Committees established in provincial interrogation centers to determine Fate of vc suspects, outside of judicial controls. Green berets and navy Seals most common recruits for phoenix program. Green beret detachment b-57 Provided admin cover for other intel units. One was project cherry, tasked To assassinate cambodian officials suspected of collaborating with nvnese, And kgb. Another was project oak targeted against svnese suspected Collaborators. They controlled by special assistant for counterinsurgency And special activities, which worked with cia outside of general abrams Control. Stein. J. (1992). A murder in wartime 360-1 Vietnam, 66-73 Phoenix op from 1/68 thru 5/71, cords reported 20,857 vci Killed. Gvt of vn reported 40,994 from 8/68 thru mid 71. Per cord Statistics 12.4% deaths could be attributed to phoenix ops. Kenneth osborn Of program said phoenix became a depersonalized murder program. A dept of Defense analyst thayer, found that 616 suspected vci targeted by phoenix From 1/70 thru 3/71 were killed by phoenix forces. After war nvnese foreign Minister nguyen co thach said cia's assassination program slaughtered far More than the 21,000 officially listed by the u. s. In some parts of south 95% of communist cadre assassinated or compromised by phoenix. Manning, r., (Ed), (1988). War in the shadows: the vietnam experience 72 Vietnam, 68-72 Under phoenix "security committees" in provincial "Interrogation centers" would determine fate suspected nlf. Counterspy Spring/summer 78 8 Vietnam, 69 Under phoenix in july 69 "vietnam information notes," a State dept publication said target for 69 elimination of 1,800 vci per Month. Frazier, h. (Ed). (1978). Uncloaking the cia 97 Vietnam, 73 According to defense dept official 26,369 south vietnamese Civilians killed under phoenix while op under direct u.s. Control (jan 68 Thru aug 72 ). By same source, another 33, 358 detained without trial. Colby in 73 Admitted 20,587 deaths thru end 71 , 28,978 captured, and 17,717 "rallied" to saigon gvt. Thus approx 30% targeted individuals Killed. All phoenix stats fail to reflect u.s. Activity after "official" U.s. Control of op abandoned. Counterspy spring/summer 75 8 Vietnam, 75 Counter-spy magazine describes phoenix program as "the most Indiscriminate and massive program of political murder since the nazi death Camps of world war two." counterspy spring/summer 75 6 Vietnam. Phoenix program to neutralize vci (tax collectors, supply Officers, political cadre, local military officials, etc). Plan to send pru Or police teams to get in practice, death the frequent result of such ops, Some times through assassinations pure and simple. Powers, t. (1979). The Man who kept the secrets 181 Vietnam. Phoenix program took over 20,000 lives, 65-72 U.s. Congress, Church committee report. (1976) b 1 27 Vietnam, july 71 Colby inserted chart to representative reid showing That some 67,282 persons had been neutralized by phoenix ops against vc Between 68-71 Of these 31 percent had been killed, 26% rallied, and 43% Captured or sentenced. Frazier, h. (Ed). (1978). Uncloaking the cia 18 Vietnam, 67-73 The phoenix program used the cia's assassination squads, The former counter terror teams later called the provincial reconnaissance Units (pru). Technically they did not mark cadres for assassinations but in Practice the pru's anticipated resistance in disputed areas and shot first. People taken prisoner were denounced in saigon-held areas, picked up at Checkpoints or captured in combat and later identified as vc. Sheehan, n. (1988). A bright
Re: [CTRL] Werner von Braun
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I am proud of my German heritage. Good for you. Anybody who doesn't want Germans on their side is a fool. Compared to Americans, they're moral giants. Except for a handful of token bomb runs on Yugoslavia, the German military hasn't waged war in half a century. In the last nine years America's military has killed a half a million Iraqis, almost all of them women and children. I have a very close personal friend who grew up in the Hartz Mountains because at the end of the last war her family was run out of Selesia where they had lived as far back as anybody could remember. I've heard about it from her, and she from her parents. It was ugly. The war hurt everybody involved. No side was spared. To blame it on my friend, though, just because she was German, would be absurd. She hadn't even been born yet. Nazism was a total disaster for Germany. It was the worst thing ever happened to Germans. That doesn't mean it can't make a comeback. Nazism far from dead. The greatest lesson of the twentieth century is that these guys need to be slapped back down every time they raise their head. Better to nip them in the bud. It makes for a great savings in blood and treasure. Read The Beast Reawakens by Martin Lee for details. Sorry I can't tell you the ISBN off the top of my head, but my copy is loaned out. but it's in print and easy to find. It's an excellent read. Check it out. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] In Sky Over Ocean City, Multiple Mysteries
(http://www.washingtonpost.com). To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33327-2000Aug3.html In Sky Over Ocean City, Multiple Mysteries OCEAN CITY, Md., Aug. 3 - The mysterious silvery balls came first--pretty, 12-inch-diameter spheres that floated down from the sky in and around this resort town, amid rumors that they had been dropped by black helicopters. This was followed by widespread alarm when word spread that the City Council--meeting behind closed doors--had granted the military permission to test the Patriot missile's radar at the municipal airport. Toss in a few sonic booms from military jets in recent days, and some Ocean City residents are up in arms. "They have no business putting this on in a resort community," said Hollis Martin, a homeowner in nearby South Point. "Go out to the desert and do your testing." Even Maryland's Democratic senators, Barbara A. Mikulski and Paul S. Sarbanes, have weighed in, sending a letter last week to Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen asking for information about the radar testing. "We are also requesting that the report include information on any! . . . helicopters in the West Ocean City area and the launching of 32-ounce spheres," the letter said. Margaret Pillas, a City Council candidate helping spearhead the resistance, puts it more simply: "Just tell us what's happening to us, not 30 years from now, when we learn they've done God knows what to us." What's happening is: Next week, at the height of the beach season, the military will start a series of tests designed to improve the performance of the Patriot antimissile system, known for its decidedly mixed results 10 years ago in the Persian Gulf War. No missiles will be fired--or even brought to Ocean City. Instead, jets will fly in circles far offshore, and technicians will assess how well the Patriot's radar system tracks them, in conjunction with radars on nearby Wallops Island and a Navy cruiser at sea. Ocean City makes a convenient spot for testing because of the possibilities for triangulation and integration among the three radar sources. "We surveyed n! orth and south, and the bottom line is, the best geometry was the Ocean City airport area," said an official from the Ballistic Missile Defense Office. The military wants to do the tests now, during the peak summer season, to avoid delaying missile firing tests scheduled elsewhere this fall. Of course, none of that explains the silvery balls. They do, in fact, exist. Pillas has one hidden in a secret location. "It's the only actual evidence we have so far," she said. "We don't have a helicopter yet. This is the first thing we've had that everybody said we didn't see." A resident named Wendy Garliss first spotted one of the silvery balls during the winter in a field off Route 50 near the new Wal-Mart. She kept it in her back yard, where her dog and children played with it. She gave it little thought until the radar controversy erupted, when she turned it over to Pillas. Pillas drove it around town in her Jaguar for several days, trying to get someone to identify it. "Source! of Mysterious Balls Unknown," read a headline in a local paper. Last week, the Patuxent River Naval Air Station identified the balls, saying they are harmless aluminum spheres routinely released from P-3 aircraft to calibrate radar at the Southern Maryland installation. They have nothing to do with the planned Patriot radar testing, according to military officials. Pillas remains skeptical about the explanation, and today she took a reporter and photographer to see her sphere on condition they keep its location confidential. "I have it buried until we know exactly what it is," Pillas said of the ball. "I want it to be analyzed by a group independent of the government." The Navy has no problem with that. "Anyone who finds a sphere is welcome to keep it or put it in with other aluminum recyclables," read a statement released by the naval air station. The source of the sonic booms remained unclear. Spokesmen for several East Coast installations said they knew nothing about ! them. As for the black helicopters, no one is claiming them, either. City officials acknowledge that residents are not imagining things, or at least not everything. "I'm not going to say that the silver balls, black helicopters and sonic booms don't exist," Mayor James N. Mathias Jr., clad in a golf shirt and shorts, said in an interview today in his office. But the mayor said he is convinced that the radar tests do not pose a danger to residents or wildlife and are important for the national defense. "Who knows when the next time our sons and daughters will need these weapons for protection," he said. "This is the least the town can do." A book-length environmental assessment conducted by the military--released Wednesday and rushed to Ocean City by courier early this morning--concludes that there would be "either no impacts at all or
Re: [CTRL] Fungus GM Foods
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: There was a particularly good year the previous year and many potatoes were left in the field. If you know that the potato is a member of the nightshade family and that the whole plant will turn poisonous with age. By leaving them in the fields to decompose they could have set themselves up with bad soil, then when the weather turned foul the next year the scene had already been set for fungus. I raise potatoes in my yard. The fungus is in the soil. It only becomes a problem when the weather is wetter than a certain degree. Last year was an El Nino year. It didn't stop raining till June. my crop was ruined. This year they're doing fine. Unless the English also controlled the weather in 1845... What the Brits controlled was the troops. If you fell behind on your rent a bunch of armed men would come around and throw you off of your farm. Consequently, my ancestors were forced to raise wheat, beef and pork for export, but couldn't afford to eat any. Instead they lived on potatoes. The "shanty" Irish (the vast majority of us )typically lived in a two room shack. The entire family lived in one room and raised a pig or two in the other room. Once a year the pig was slaughtered, the meat sold, and the rent paid. This was called "keeping a pig in the parlor." The pig himself was called "the gentleman who pays the rent." This is how colonialism works. It only ended in Ireland when the Irish had killed enough of the right Brits. It still goes on in the North. Today, colonialism the world over has evolved into neo-colonialism. Under neo-colonialism the political control of the country is in the hands of a tiny native elite while the control of the economy is in the hands of foreign corporations. This is what the WTO, the IMF, the WB, etc, are all about. The right calls this the New World Order. The left calls it Neo-Liberalism. Anarchists call it the Same Old Same Old. But what ever you call it, it's exploitation and it's wrong. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [RMNEWS] G.W. MIND CONTROL, SATANIC CULTS, GOVT ASSASSINS AND CLEMENCY
e|- FONT COLOR="#99"Missing old school friends? Find them here: /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/8015/1/_/163550/_/966192530/"BClick Here!/B/A |e- ===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY=== From Rayelan Allan, Publisher of RMNews When you read the following article -- you will think that it was written by Rumor Mill News -- but I assure you it wasn't. In fact, I have never heard of the man who wrote the article. If you are a regular reader of RMNews, you will see many things referenced in the following article that our Sources have released. (If you haven't read Operation Open Eyes -- which is located on the front page of http://www.rumormillnews.com -- you might want to do so after you read the following article.) The following article describes --- in great detail -- how Governor G.W. Bush grants full clemency -- not just a temporary stay -- to a man convicted of hundreds of brutal murders which involve torture, rape, cannibalism, mutilation, dismemberment, necrophilia, cannibalism, and pedophilia. With G.W.'s history of executing convicted murderers, what could have caused him to grant clemency to this man? When you read the entire article -- which is just the first of a five part series -- you will know more than you ever wanted to about the United States government's assassin training. One of the things Gunther Russbacher told me while he and I were married was that he had gone through the CIA assassin school at a camp outside of Phoenix, AZ. The training camp was called Center Point. Gunther was very young when he went through this training -- possiblY as young as 17... maybe even younger. He was born in 1942, which would make the time he went through Center Point around 1959 -- maybe a few years earlier or later. Gunther said that one of his team mates was none other than George Herbert Walker Bush, a man who would later become a Congressman, the Director of the CIA, Ambassador to China, President of the United States and father of the current candidate for president of the United States. When Gunther told me the story of their training, he was telling the story because because something had reminded him of one of the funny things that happened. Evidently he and George were in a small boat in the middle of a swamp or lake (I don't know what country or state the swamp or lake was in). It was the type of swamp or lake that had many dead tree trunks sticking up. Gunther said Bush was talking constantly, which kept Gunther from concentrating on the mission. Gunther said he convinced Bush to get out of the boat and stand on one of the dead tree trunks. When Bush was out of the boat, Gunther rowed away and left him. Gunther completed the training for the day and went back to the temporary base camp. When they saw that Bush was not with him -- they ordered him to go back and get him. After Gunther completed the story he laughed and said, "If I had left him there, I wouldn't be in prison right now." In other words, Gunther was not telling me the story to tell me about the assassin school, he was telling me the story to tell me a funny thing he had done to President George Bush -- the man who was responsible for Gunther's four year incarceration -- which happened during the Bush Presidency. (If you are interested in more information about Gunther Russbacher, you can use either the search engine on the front page of rumormillnews.com or the search engine on the Forum, aka The Reading Room to find all the articles written on Gunther. If you are using the search engine in the Reading Room, make sure you set the search parameters for at least one year --) Last week when I was talking with Sherman Skolnick, he told me that there is evidence that G.W. Bush has some kind of connection with a satanic cult that has been implicated in murder, rape, cannibalism etc. Sherman's description of the satanic cult sounds very similar to the descriptions of the murderer that G.W. granted clemency. Gunther also told me about the Life Management Institute (LMI) which is located in Waco, TX. In the early 60's, Gunther was an instructor at this institute. What did they do there? They taught various forms of mind control. Who were some of the students? David Koresh and Mark Phillips. Former FBI Director William Sessions was a member of the Waco City Council during the years that LMI was at it height. The late attorney Paul Wilcher, wrote about LMI in the Wilcher Report. Gunther and his SEALS gave Paul most of his information. Paul tried to deliver the Wilcher Report to Attorney General Janet Reno. He wanted her to know that the Waco holocaust was carried out to hide a government mind controlled domestic terrorism cult. (If you want a copy of the Wilcher Report -- email me -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] for information) When you read the following article, you will
[CTRL] [endsecrecy] Heart Mountain FEMA Madness
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Archibald Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Archibald Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [endsecrecy] Heart Mountain FEMA Madness Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:06 AM THE ROAD TO HEART MOUNTAIN? Rumors, FEMA and the Future A slightly different version of this article was printed in the Loompanics Unlimited winter (September) 1998 catalog supplement. This "open-mindedly skeptical" view of FEMA was actually written in January of that year. It owes a lot to the work of other authors and researchers, whose articles are referenced at the end. Except for the portions pertaining to the internment at Heart Mountain, it isn't primarily the product of my own original research, but is a compilation of, and meditation upon, research done by others. - In the prison camp, they nearly went mad with wind and boredom. And with cold. Many had never seen snow, let alone this 30-below, wind-driven horror. The winds blew white drifts through the cracks in the floors. The huddled families could never get warm, could never get used to the screaming, maddening wind... - We approach the site of the old camp on a January day. The roads are open -- barely. They often close them around here simply because of the wind; wind-carved humps and sheets of snow send vehicles careening into ditches. There's nothing to hit in this high desert. But you can roll forever. The mountain dominates the valley. I never thought a mountain could be ugly until I saw this one. It looks like the face of huge, sleeping a man. His nose swells and hooks. He has no lips. Out of his chin a rocky excrescence protrudes like a wart. No, not exactly a man. More like a deformed god. - In the summertime, in the camp, the wind blew brown drifts through the cracks in the floors and between the dry, uninsulated boards of the walls. Every day during harvest, prisoners would be driven outside the barbed wire enclosure to work in the fields. But the young men -- more than 600 -- left the camp to fight in the war. They became soldiers for the government that had imprisoned them. - In 1942, Franklin Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, sending more than 110,000 people to relocation camps. Most of the internees were U.S. citizens. Eleven thousand went to Heart Mountain, north of Cody, Wyoming -- imprisoned without trial for the crime of Japanese descent. To this day, there are Americans who defend this internal deportation, saying, "It was for their own good," or, "They weren't like us. They were loyal to their own kind." The camps, they say, were necessary. The question is ·Is it about to happen again? Does the U.S. government have plans to round up citizens and lock them into bitter internment "for the duration" of some future emergency? The Internet is rife with rumors. The most persistent rumor says political dissidents will be targeted, this time. Skeptics dismiss the rumors as so much conspiracy-mongering. And even some conspiracy buffs warn against pursuing the tales. When I mentioned I was looking into that question, one said to me, "That way lies madness. If you find out there are camps, no one will believe you. And if there are camps, and you come too close..." Some rumors do seem preposterous. In the way of urban legends, people who've "seen the camps being built with their very own eyes" are usually nameless friends of friends, their stories unverifiable. Other reports might have perfectly innocent explanations. An acquaintance shouted breathlessly down the phone that he'd seen, "Barbed wire! High walls! And guard towers!" being built at Ft. Lewis in Washington state. Well, yes, I thought. You would see those things being built on a military base, wouldn't you? Later, photos circulated on the Internet of such installations. But no one could document their purpose. Experienced military men within the freedom movement countered that they appeared to be training facilities for operating POW camps -- a perfectly legitimate operation. Eerie as such things are, it takes a lot more than this to prove that concentration camps are being built to house us. But the reports won't go away. Even where they're shaky on specifics, they express an intuitive truth about the federal government's view of ordinary Americans. There's nothing new in that federal opinion. Shortly after the original internment camps closed, J. Edgar Hoover conceived a plan called "Security Portfolio," which would have enabled the president to declare a national emergency, suspend the Constitution, and put thousands of people into prison with no trial and no habeas corpus rights. It was the beginning of the Cold War against Americans. Two years later,
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Drug War Rascism
In a message dated 8/13/00 11:15:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This drug war is not about enforcing the Rule of Law. The drug war is enforcing a rulling class global economic policy. It consolidates Wealth, Power and Control over the masses with an Iron fist and millions of prison cells. Drug War Racism and the Ruling Class (12-26-98) Excerpt from Drug War Economics: The Machine behind the Madness I met Eldridge Cleaver several years ago in a meeting of activists in Glendora of all places. I dropped a bombshell on the crowd that got a nod from the Eldridge Cleaver himself. I stated, "Racism and brutality have a place in controlling society. It is apparent that racism is used to keep the minorities in their place. Far more important, however, racism was an example that kept the white man in their place as well." I explained, I grew up in Charleston, South Carolina in the 1960s. Contrary to media hype, it wasn't that whites looked down on Blacks in the South. It was more like whites were afraid to stand up to the injustice, so they looked the other way instead. That is how you deal with a government that you are afraid of. You live your life as a grain of sand on the beach. Once you have learned to bow down to injustice, if ordered, you will pick up a rock and participate in it as well. That's part of the process of learning your place in this institution called America. The reason I bring this up is, these corrupt drug laws enslave our legislature, as much or more than they enslave to public. Government is about power and control of resources where the power structure does not tollerate rogue legislators. These unenforcable drug laws enslave our legislature and force their co-operation as well. Examples. Joycelyn Elders son was raked over the coals for $50 of Cocaine because Joycelyn Elders refused to co-operate with this dirty little war. When Dan Burton's son got popped for pounds of pot and walked away, Dan Burton was bought and paid for as well. If you don't think Obstruction of Justice was involved in that plea bargain you need another beer. This is how the game is played in America. Our legislators are afraid to oppose this dirty little war because their bosses (and I don't mean the public) will ruin their political careers and their lives at the first sign of rebellion. This was the reason behind the swift and brutal crackdown on Proposition 215 in California. The trouble makers had to learn their place in society. This drug war is not about enforcing the Rule of Law. The drug war is enforcing a rulling class global economic policy. It consolidates Wealth, Power and Control over the masses with an Iron fist and millions of prison cells.So remember, when our legislators refuse the Drug War carrots, they will feel the Drug War stick. Joycelyn Elders' son is an example to Congress and the government that cooperation is manditory. The backlash to Proposition 215 in California (medical marijuana initiave) is an example of repression for everyone else. Government is about power and control. Sincerely, Jay Lindberg
[CTRL] (Fwd) stop this bill in congress--True???
There have been any number of flase alarms on this one. Does anyone know if this is true? --- Forwarded message follows --- VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail Sent. It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on every delivered E-mail. Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online, and continue using E-mail. The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect our use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service will be attempting to bill E-mail users out of "alternative postage fees." Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge on every E-mail delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail, is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign: "There is nothing like a letter." Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day in 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents a day -- or over $180 per year -- above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to the US Postal Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is democracy and noninterference. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. Our congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "$20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the governments proposed E-mail charges Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story -- the only exception being the Washingtonian - which called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode away! Send this to E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives write their congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of your time and could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. --- End of forwarded message --- sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fungus GM Foods
sensitive subject - YES Still I have a question, are you an organic farmer? The situation I read about is a good year with much left in the fields. Compost piles would normally have pig feces in them, potentially human as well to help decompose the left over parts of the potato plant. 1944 Good year surplus left in fields 1945 bad weather that ruined the crop (left in field) little if no animal waste (the animals were used for rent or eaten early), a lot of sick people so human waste would not have good bacteria *granted now days they could use a fungicide -if they are not orgaic farms- BUT many in England, Ireland, and Scotland are going to organic farming they may have to top dress those fields NOW with good manure if they expect healthy soil next year. I am suggesting a potential by-product of the Irish potato famine. I am also speculating on what a by-product of Genetically Modified crops could do to an organic farm. All farmers should have been "organic" in 1845. ThePiedPiper 13August2000 nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: There was a particularly good year the previous year and many potatoes were left in the field. If you know that the potato is a member of the nightshade family and that the whole plant will turn poisonous with age. By leaving them in the fields to decompose they could have set themselves up with bad soil, then when the weather turned foul the next year the scene had already been set for fungus. I raise potatoes in my yard. The fungus is in the soil. It only becomes a problem when the weather is wetter than a certain degree. Last year was an El Nino year. It didn't stop raining till June. my crop was ruined. This year they're doing fine. Unless the English also controlled the weather in 1845... What the Brits controlled was the troops. If you fell behind on your rent a bunch of armed men would come around and throw you off of your farm. Consequently, my ancestors were forced to raise wheat, beef and pork for export, but couldn't afford to eat any. Instead they lived on potatoes. The "shanty" Irish (the vast majority of us )typically lived in a two room shack. The entire family lived in one room and raised a pig or two in the other room. Once a year the pig was slaughtered, the meat sold, and the rent paid. This was called "keeping a pig in the parlor." The pig himself was called "the gentleman who pays the rent." This is how colonialism works. It only ended in Ireland when the Irish had killed enough of the right Brits. It still goes on in the North. Today, colonialism the world over has evolved into neo-colonialism. Under neo-colonialism the political control of the country is in the hands of a tiny native elite while the control of the economy is in the hands of foreign corporations. This is what the WTO, the IMF, the WB, etc, are all about. The right calls this the New World Order. The left calls it Neo-Liberalism. Anarchists call it the Same Old Same Old. But what ever you call it, it's exploitation and it's wrong. -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 NEW http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] Fact Sheet: Philadelphia Arrests
http://www.thepartysover.org/media/factsheet0810.html
Fact Sheet: Philadelphia Arrests
INFLATED CHARGES
Protesters have been held for 10 days in Philadelphia jails on misdemeanor and felony
charges inflated far above historical charges for civil disobedience.
PHYSICAL SEXUAL ABUSE
Arrestees have consistently reported physical and sexual abuse by police and prison
staff, as listed below. Many of these reports were independently corroborated by
legal observers inside the jail. Attorney Larry Krasner, who witnessed jail abuses,
can be reached at (215) 636-9500.
PUNITIVE HIGH BAILS
As of this time, one protester still faces $1 million bail on a charge of
"ringleading". Other bails remain at $100,000. These bails are the highest ever set
for civil disobedience, long understood to be a staple of civil rights organizing.
REFUSAL TO RELEASE PRISONERS AS PROMISED
Of the original 480 arrests, 275 individuals remain in jail awaiting bail. Police
Commissioner Timoney claims that arrestees are refusing to give their names but would
be released on their own recognizance if they identified themselves. However, many in
custody have given their names and have not been released.
HUNGER STRIKE AND FLUID STRIKE
250 prisoners have been on hunger strike for over a week. 80 women have been on fluid
strike for 1 day. Human beings become critically ill after 3 days without fluids.
Hospitalization and forced hydration offer prison authorities more opportunities for
physical abuse of prisoners.
STATEMENT OF NEED FOR THESE ACTIONS
Kate Sorensen, Terrence McGuckin, and Paul Davis were all targeted by Philadelphia's
"pre-emptive" GOP convention arrests on August 1. Each also were key participants in
a recent ACT UP office takeover and lockdown at the United States Trade
Representative's office in November 1999. The action was designed to send Charlene
Barshefsky - the US Trade Representative - off to the doomed Seattle WTO Rounds with
a clear image of domestic opposition to US trade policy blocking international access
to cheap, generic AIDS drugs. Only weeks after the protest, President Clinton
announced a change in trade policy in favor of "flexibility," given the ramifications
of the global AIDS crisis. Al Gore - still haggard from the activist zaps along the
campaign trail - told the UN Security Council in February 2000 that "the AIDS
activists were right": the Administration should have done more about AIDS in Africa.
Direct action results in major shifts in the terms of debate, in favor of people with
AIDS. So when public officials equate blocking traffic, clogging transportation
routes, blocking hotel entrances, and stopping business as usual with "terrorism,"
"rioting," and "conspiracy," we must fight back. In the history of the AIDS crisis,
and the history of the queer liberation movement, we have never won anything by
asking. Every positive advance has been the result of struggle. But the tools of
struggle and resistance are being taken from our hands.
SOLIDARITY WITH THE GENERAL PRISON POPULATION
The protesters, now incarcerated with the general prison population, have forwarded
information about conditions in the prison. The general prison population has issued
the following list of demands: the right to a speedy trial, no more waiting two or
more years to go to court; prompt medical and dental attention, no more waiting weeks
and months for essential medical care; decent food, no more undercooked food, no more
dirty or broken trays; end overcrowding, no more packing six prisoners each into the
multi-purpose rooms; end abuse by guards, no more beatings of a single handcuffed
prisoner by ten guards; reliable phone service, system is constantly down preventing
contact with lawyers and family; an end to headcount lockdowns, these are used to
deny us phones, showers and visits; prompt credit of monies sent to us from outside
and from county payroll; reasonable commissary prices, no outdated food; prompt
response to sanitary problems, with toilets, sinks, showers, we need cleaning
supplies; real rehabilitation programs.
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The end is in the means as the tree is in the seed.
- Mahatma Ghandi
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Abraham Lincoln, letter to Wm. F. Elkins Nov. 21 1864
Arthur Shaw ed. The Lincoln Encyclopedia 40 {1950}
"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
it's end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and
blood.It has indeed been a trying hour for the
Republic, but I see in the near future a crisis approaching
that unnerves me and causes me to
[CTRL] THE AMERICAN CRIMINALIZATION OF POVERTY
http://la.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=614 THE AMERICAN CRIMINALIZATION OF POVERTY by ch@nce 9:51pm Fri Aug 11 '00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Homeless" laws specifically target homeless individuals and their activities. "Status" laws punish people for their economic condition, rather than behavior. THE AMERICAN CRIMINALIZATION OF POVERTY by Dave Oehl What do you get when you cross a booming national economy with homeless people? Less homeless people, right? Wrong. What you get, apparently, is not only greater homelessness, but also enactment and greater enforcement of laws and policies that criminalize poverty or homelessness. Efforts in many cities are now focused on excluding the homeless from downtown areas and places where they congregate. It is important to examine public policy as a means of social control instead of social change or improvement. To this end, this article will provide and discuss some examples of anti-poor policies, and solutions being proposed or utilized. Anti-poor and homeless policies Laws According to the Atlanta Task Force for the Homeless (ATFH) Criminalization of Poverty report, published in 1993, there are two kinds of laws that discriminate against the poor and homeless. "Homeless" laws specifically target homeless individuals and their activities. "Status" laws punish people for their economic condition, rather than behavior. Many cities across the country have homeless laws, but they generally fall into the general categories. Panhandling is restricted or banned altogether; Massachusetts passed a law of this kind several years ago but it was struck down by the state courts as unconstitutional. A lawsuit in Los Angeles is challenging its anti-panhandling law. Anti-camping ordinances prohibit sleeping on streets or in parks at all or after curfew, such as in Austin, Texas. Many cities have no-standing zones where people may not linger, or no-sitting areas. Austin and Los Angeles have laws such as these. There also exist such arcane laws as the prohibition of public parking lot crossing, in Atlanta. In the Arizona city of Tucson, a special zone was created in which it is a crime to simply be homeless. Police were arresting homeless people without cause and releasing them only when they agreed to stay out of the area for a certain period of time. Alan Mason, arrested under this law, was banned from an area that covered just about all of downtown, including his lawyer, all the courthouses, the voter registration office, and places of worship. The line between homeless laws and status laws blurs. Most disorderly conduct laws are considered status laws by the ATFH, since many homeless are mentally ill, or predisposed to erratic behavior, caused by, or the cause of, their homelessness. Criminal trespassing, public urination, and public drinking are also considered status ordinances. An example of a recent status ordinance is an ordinance proposed, not passed, in September by Ray Suarez of the Chicago City Council to prohibit sleeping in cars. Mr. Suarez said that some residents did not feel safe because people were sleeping in cars near their homes. Why do they not feel safe? Activists are now making sure that Councilor Suarez is educated on this issue and is dealing constructively with it and discussing affordable housing. Other Policies Many administrations choose to selectively enforce laws to punish homeless people, laws that were not originally meant to do so. The laws involved vary from stolen property to general trespassing to general sanitation (laws that prohibit dumping in vacant lots or blocking entrances or alleys) New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani is creatively sculpting NYC laws to punish the homeless and clear the streets, and making up new policies as he goes along. Giuliani has ordered massive street sweeps to clear out New York's homeless people since a tourist was seriously injured when attacked by an allegedly homeless man last November. One commentator remarked that this is the first time punishment has been meted out before there is even a suspect. If you won't work, you'll be kicked out of a shelter, and then you'll be arrested for sleeping on the street. The Mayor is also opposed to any minimum wage increases that might help the poor pay for housing. Meanwhile he is promoting New York as an urban Disneyland; as a result, rents are going up, and the city and state are not creating affordable housing. After a while, one begins to suspect his motives. A New York City police manual for carrying out street sweeps called "Quality of Life enforcement Options: A Police Reference Guide" lists 35 offenses for which one can be arrested. A homeless man challenging these policies in court was arrested in 1997 on an obscure sanitation code violation. He was strip-searched and held for 27 hours; the ticket turned out to be invalid. In Los Angeles, Downtown business improvement districts hired private
[CTRL] The spy in your server
http://www.mediachannel.org/ The spy in your server Thursday August 10, 2000 Governments all over the world have suddenly become embroiled in controversy about electronic surveillance of the internet. In the United States, a political storm has arisen over a new FBI internet tapping system codenamed Carnivore. In Britain, the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act has just extended telephone-tapping powers to cover internet service providers (ISPs), and allows the government to arrange indiscriminate tapping or email interception for foreign police forces and security agencies. In the Netherlands, the Dutch security service BVD admitted two weeks ago that it has been collecting emails sent abroad by companies. In the Hague, laws are being prepared to allow the Justice Ministry to tap into email and subscriber records, scan messages and mobile phone calls, and track users' movements. The Australian government has passed laws allowing security agents to attack and modify computers secretly to obtain information. Many other governments have similar schemes in the pipeline. These developments are no coincidence but the direct result of secret planning over seven years by an international co-ordinating group set up by the FBI, after Congress twice refused to extend its telephone tapping powers for digital networks. Under the innocuous title of the International Law Enforcement Telecommunications Seminar (ILETS), the group has met annually to plan for and lobby to make telecommunications systems "interception-friendly". ILETS excluded lawyers and industry specialists who might have advised on the arrangements to protect privacy and human rights, or on the feasi bility and cost of the intelligence officers' wish list of interception requirements. As a result, the laws based on their recommendations have repeatedly caused controversy. The work of ILETS first came to light in late 1997, when a British researcher, Tony Bunyan, revealed collaboration between EU staff and the FBI for many years. Details of plans to compel ISPs all over the world to install secret internet interception "black boxes" in their premises appeared in Online last year. A month ago, the European Parliament appointed 36 MEPs to lead a year-long investigation into Echelon - the codename for a mainly US system for monitoring traffic on commercial communications satellites. Echelon has become common parlance for the worldwide electronic eavesdropping or signals intelligence (Sigint) network run by the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) together with the US National Security Agency (NSA). The inquiry will ask if the rights of European citizens are adequately protected and ascertain whether European industry is put at risk by the global interception of communications. French politicians and lawyers have taken the lead in accusing the US and Britain of using their electronic intelligence networks to win business away from foreign rivals. US politicians have riposted that France runs a worldwide electronic intelligence system of its own - "Frenchelon", based at Domme, near Sarlat in the Dordogne, and includes an eavesdropping station in New Caledonia in the Pacific (see www.zdnet.co.uk/news/ 2000/25/ns-16207.html). Electronic eavesdropping has become a battleground between the US and Russia. The Russian-American Trust and Cooperation Act of 2000, passed on July 19, stops President Clinton rescheduling or writing off billions of dollars of Russian debts unless a Russian spy base in Cuba is "permanently closed". This base at Lourdes, located on leased land near Havana, was the former Soviet Union's most important intelligence facility. It uses Echelon-type systems to collect data from telephone calls and satellite links covering the US. Lourdes allegedly provides "between 60% and 70% of all Russian intelligence data about the US". A defector has said that spying from Lourdes has grown dramatically following an order by Boris Yeltsin to step up economic and technological espionage against the west. The White House wants to stop the campaign to close Lourdes because other countries might then ask the US to close down its identical bases. Documents suggest the US would particularly fear the Lourdes effect spreading to Britain, Germany and Australia, where the NSA operates large sites. Its station at Menwith Hill, Yorkshire, is the largest electronic intelligence base in the world. The US is not alone in this spying. By the end of the year, the Government Technical Assistance Centre (GTAC) will have begun operations from inside MI5's headquarters at Thames House, Millbank. Its primary purpose will be to break codes used for private email or to protect files on personal computers. It will also receive and hold private keys to codes which British computer users may be compelled to give to the government, under the RIP Act. Development of GTAC has been pioneered by the Home
[CTRL] U$A Attempts to Recruit Colombian Death Squad Leader
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:49:49 -0500 (CDT) Rich Winkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Breaking News Views for the ProgressiveFriday August 11 , Community... 2000 Published on Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 7:21 PM by Reuters Colombia Ultra-Right Warlord Talks of U.S. Covert Ops by Karl Penhaul BOGOTA - Colombia's most-feared death squad leader has alleged that U.S. anti-narcotics agents sought to enlist his outlaw paramilitary gang to combat drug traffickers, raising fresh fears of U.S. covert operations in this war-torn Andean nation. In a television interview late Wednesday, Carlos Castano, leader of the 5,000-member, ultra-right United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC), said the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) asked him to force Colombian drug traffickers to surrender to U.S. justice. The plan, he said, was also a way of eroding the economic mainstay of powerful Marxist rebel factions, whom U.S. and Colombian authorities accuse of funding a long-running uprising with proceeds from the booming cocaine and heroin trade. In Washington on Thursday, the DEA declined to comment on the allegations, which came less than two months after U.S. Congress approved a record $1.3 billion package of mostly military aid to help Colombia fight the drug trade and guerrillas. ``The (U.S.) DEA...sent me a message and through that there was a possibility of ending narco-trafficking in Colombia,'' Castano said Wednesday, speaking with RCN television in his stronghold in northern Cordoba province. ``I received a call saying the DEA was opening the doors so that Colombian drug traffickers could surrender to U.S. justice and ... it needed a significant force in Colombia that would induce these people to take that decision,'' added the ultra-right warlord, who swapped his trademark combat fatigues for a white knitted sweater and drab green pants. At a news conference in Washington, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said State Department officials had ''no intention of soliciting his (Castano's) help'' but did not address claims against the DEA. Us Covert Operations Some U.S. officials have accused Castano of funding his anti-guerrilla crusade with drug money and insist he has heavy backing from the military in his ``dirty war'' against suspected leftist sympathizers. In practice, however, President Andres Pastrana has done little to track him down. The RCN interview with Castano coincided with a visit to Colombia by a high-level U.S. delegation, including White House anti-drug chief Barry McCaffrey and Undersecretary of State Thomas Pickering. President Clinton plans to visit Colombia on Aug. 30. The U.S. aid package has fueled fears that Washington could be dragged deep into Colombia's civil conflict that has cost 35,000 lives in just the last 10 years. Castano's comments renewed suspicion that U.S. agencies have been carrying out secret operations behind the back of the Colombian government and the U.S. Congress. ``There are serious concerns about the nature of the U.S. engagement and fears about covert operations and escalating paramilitary activity,'' said Winifred Tate, Colombia specialist at the non-governmental Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA). Allegations, though hard to prove, about U.S. covert operations in Colombia are not new. DEA agents were suspected of forging a covert alliance linking the Cali drug cartel, Castano's paramilitary gunmen and Colombian security forces to combat Pablo Escobar's Medellin cocaine cartel in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Washington-based Human Rights Watch has also accused U.S. military intelligence officials of helping Colombia set up the forerunners of today's illegal paramilitary groups in the late 1960s and early 1970s. ### Common Dreams NewsCenter is a non-profit news service providing breaking news and views for the Progressive Community. FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for
[CTRL] Judge sets hearing on remaining Davidian lawsuit issue
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 04:19:35 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.accesswaco.com/auto/feed/news/local/2000/08/12/966104292.21481.4543 .0012.html Judge sets hearing on remaining Davidian lawsuit issue By TOMMY WITHERSPOON Tribune-Herald staff writer A federal judge in Waco has set a hearing for next month for testimony on the remaining issue in the Branch Davidians' $675 million lawsuit against the government â whether FBI agents shot at the Davidians on April 19, 1993. In a three-page order issued Friday, U.S. District Judge Walter S. Smith Jr. said he will hear testimony from David Oxlee of Vector Data Systems at a Sept. 18 hearing in Waco. Smith canceled an Aug. 2 hearing on the matter because lead plaintiffs' attorney Mike Caddell of Houston, who represents about 80 percent of the 176 plaintiffs in the wrongful-death lawsuit, said he would not pursue the issue or attend a hearing. After that, Smith, in an order last month, told attorneys for the remaining plaintiffs that they must travel to England, where Oxlee lives, if they wanted to depose him. Oxlee, an infrared expert, was appointed by the court to help stage the Mount Carmel re-creation last March at Fort Hood. He was not available to testify at the Branch Davidian civil trial that started in June because he was recovering from surgery. Smith removed the gunfire issue from the trial because Oxlee was not available. Oxlee concluded that government agents fired no gunshots on the final day of the 51-day standoff with David Koresh and his followers. The plaintiffs argue that flashes seen on an FBI infrared video taken that day are from gunfire by government agents that pinned many of the Davidians inside the burning Mount Carmel compound. Oxlee said he thinks the flashes came from debris and not gunfire. After Caddell appeared to withdraw from the rest of the lawsuit, Smith said he had no intention of bringing Oxlee to the United States at government expense for the hearing. Smith noted in his order that James Brannon, a Houston attorney who represents the estate of three of Koresh's legal children, did not respond to his order and "by their silence have advised they do not desire to cross-examine Mr. Oxlee." "If this matter is to be further litigated ... the court prefers to hear Mr. Oxlee's testimony in open court and have the opportunity to question Mr. Oxlee himself. He is the court's expert," Smith wrote. Ramsey Clark, who represents 35 clients known as the Brown plaintiffs, said he would like to question Oxlee. However, Ramsey said he thought it curious that Smith, in his order Friday, required that him post a $5,000 bond with the court within 10 days to reimburse Oxlee for his travel expenses. "We want to pursue this issue," Clark said. "But I don't know if they are trying to tax us out of court of what. We will just have to take a look at the order and study it. The whole thing seems so strange the way it has gone. Taking (Oxlee) to Waco is a lot more expensive than to take him to Washington, which is what we wanted to do." Also, Smith broke down the plaintiffs' shares for half of the cost for the March re-creation at Fort Hood. Smith said that the Department of Defense has advised that the cost for the test was $51,318.17, excluding the salaries of the military personnel who participated and the cost of transporting a Lynx helicopter from England to Fort Hood. The judge figured the cost to each plaintiffs' group by the number of clients represented and ordered that Caddell pay $20,014; Clark, $5,131; and Brannon, $513, within 10 days. The Justice Department will pay the other half. "It is further ordered that any party dissatisfied with the division of these expenses shall inform the court within 10 days," Smith wrote. Caddell and Brannon did not return phone messages left at their offices. Smith has indicated that it could be some months before he issues his final judgment in the civil lawsuit. The verdict by a five-member advisory jury chosen by the judge cleared the government of wrongdoing in the Davidian episode. Tommy Witherspoon can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at 757-5737. God Bless The New Mt. Carmel Church! Collectors Edition 2000! Never before seen video footage of Mt. Carmel! Interviews from survivors and volunteers who helped rebuild Mt. Carmel! Take a tour of the beautiful property and see the church rise before your eyes. Hear for yourself what world renowned investigator Gordon Novell and others had to say when they showed up at the April 19, 2000 memorial. Hear the bell toll in memory of the 82 who were killed after the 51 day siege. Your $20 contribution will go towards the septic and air conditioning systems still needed. Your contribution will also go towards building housing for the elderly ladies who were left homeless after the slaughter. These beautiful ladies have been living at the Salvation Army in a communal apartment and wish to finally come home! Please share this amazing
[CTRL] The CIA And The West Nile Virus
From: Spiritual Piglet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 10:38am
Subject: The CIA and the West Nile Virus - What New Viruses, Vaccines and
'Chemtrails'
The CIA and the West Nile Virus - What New Viruses,
Vaccines and 'Chemtrails' Have in Common
The CIA and the West Nile Virus -
What New Viruses' Vaccines
'Chemtrails' Have in Common
http://www.sightings.com/general3/cia.htm
Dear Mr. Rense,
I sent an email to Dr. Horowitz requesting that he submit an
article to your site on the connection between chemtrails
and vaccines. Here it is.
Best regards'
Stephanie Relfe
The CIA and the West Nile Virus - What New Viruses' Vaccines
and 'Chemtrails' Have in Common
By Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A, M.P.H. President,
Tetrahedron Publishing Group
8-11-00
There is a three letter common denominator underlying: the
West Nile Virus (WNV) outbreak in New England, the
controversial spraying of malathione-a known human chemical
carcinogen related to agent orange-over American cities, the
growing threat of anthrax or other biological weapons
attacks, vaccination policies that are risky and
questionable, if not downright deadly, the mysterious
3chemtrails2 overcastting previously blue skies across North
America, and an avalanche of sophisticated
counterintelligence propaganda concerning vaccinations and
bioterrorist threats emanating from our nation's primary
news sources. The C.I.A. (Central Intelligence Agency) is
implicated in every regard. As a principle perpetrator of
all these threats, and a primary purveyor of propaganda in
these domains, America's leading military intelligence and
3corporate espionage2 agency is suspect in what amounts to
global genocide being carried out in the name of 3public
health2 and 3national security.2
As an investigative journalist who routinely travels across
the western hemisphere, I get my 3homework2 assignments from
airport newsstands. Since '990, I've been tracking U.S.
government cover-ups in the health science domain. My
special interests lie in 3emerging viruses,2 bioterrorism,
and 3media propaganda.2 As a graduate of Harvard School of
Public, and post-doctoral researcher in media persuasion
technologies, I have, for the past five years, conducted
highly controversial investigations, published stunningly
incriminating documents, and exposed the purveyors of
propaganda surrounding today's deadliest microbes, along
with the agents and agencies directly responsible for
bioengineering and transmitting designer viruses and
bacteria to grossly unwitting populations. My job has been
to raise public awareness regarding these 3covert
operations,2 to help a tiny intelligent minority survive the
current and coming plagues.
Having spent most of my adult life residing in Boston, the
news of massive malathione spraying for 3disease and
mosquito control2 in Massachusetts and Rhode Island, as was
done months earlier in Connecticut, New York, and New
Jersey, grabbed my attention.(') Sketchy reports, issued by
The Massachusetts Department of Public Health, alleged the
discovery of the WNV 3in an adult dead crow found July 22 in
a wooded area near Willow Pond in Jamaica Plain (adjacent
Roxbury), Massachusetts2-a predominantly African American
Boston suburb and home to one of America's largest Nation of
Islam communities.
3Odd,2 I thought, 3of all the places in Massachusetts it
could have landed, the dead crow dropped on a Black
community.2
The official press notice cited the alleged need to deliver
3ground or aerial larvacide and ground adulticide treatments
around positive WNV findings.2 Thus, the extensive lethal
spraying of immune system ravaging malathione began.
That same week, with heightened fear of a biological
apocalypse at hand, on Friday, July 28, 2000, the Reuters
news agency in Washington announced that the U.S. military's
use of anthrax vaccine had come under intense scrutiny and
additional fire.(2) Dr. David A. Ashford, of the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), was quoted as stating
3we do not have any specific information on the efficacy of
the existing vaccine for preventing inhalation of anthrax
and we probably never will.2 The article suspiciously recall
ed the largely ignored report of findings by Dan Burton's
congressional investigating committee issued six months
earlier. The February 2000 report by the House of
Representatives Committee on Government Reforms called for
the suspension of the anthrax vaccine program. Not only was
the vaccine's inefficacy determined by the committee, but
the risk of side effects was found to be '75 times greater
than defense department officials initially assured the FDA
and military personnel receiving the vaccine.
Suddenly, this Reuters report previewed the likelihood that
the FDA would approve an obscure antibiotic, ciprofloxacin,
over better known penicillins and doxycyclines to prevent
deaths from anthrax inhalations. These standard
antimicrobials, the article speculated, might be less
effective than
Re: [CTRL] Problem with list
Ben Stone wrote: This is the second time in 2 days I have been desubcribed from the list, supposedly becasue my email keeps bouncing back. I am resubscribed again. Doe other people have this problem or is it just me they are harassing? I may need to switch to another email if it happens again. I had this problem after my email server switched their IP address. Try checking with your ISP and ask for the number, then check your settings. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Sapere aude! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fungus GM Foods
Tenorlove wrote: --- ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_773000/773005.stm What could have caused the Irish Potato famine? Wasn't it on this list that I read that the famine was deliberately engineered by the British as a genocide against the Irish? That could have been part of it, but what they didn't wasn't to do is cheapen the costs and profits for food. This one one of the most fucked up things about an economic system which commodifies everything. Food and all things which are life necessities should NEVER be allowed into the control of businessmen. Health care, housing, and MOST IMPORTANTLY WATER must not be a part of a market system. It is suicidal. Ask the Bolivians. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
The bible code is bullshit. It was debunked over a year ago. Joshua2 == Aleisha Saba wrote: Ty: The bible code I have is a timetable calendar which was in the 1954 Gideon placed Bible, but only in this one very special bible. It has nothing to do with cabala or with this stupid Washington Post Reporter who came up with his own number code - that is old hat. This is a bible calendar code where certain murders or acts of sabatage are keyed to certain dates and times..the astronauts took a Gideon Bible with them to the moon from which they read - they also jokingly took Jean Dixon's predictions (astrology) to the moon for she as a political propagandist over and over reported Russia Will Beat Us to the Moon. Now this calendar code is somewhat abstract - for you read one thing but the names are different, but same old cast of characters..Albert Speer in his book with regard to men at Spandau (and Nixon latched onto Speer) for October was a reference to the bible watchword calendar, which was taken away from the Baron by the Russians for you see this bible code, the Russians are onto and usedmasonic stuff and the masonic order is an international order. So somehow two forces used this calendar - one for good and one for evil - yet, behind these two forces you have the same pupeteer pulling the strings, hiring the killers - in God's name they murder and in Satan's name they would rule the universe.. Same guy authored the whole book for good and for evil. This bible goes into every country in the world nearly..you can communicate in any languagelike Romans 13, as I recall it is said they seek to kill me, for I am telling you the truthand in Hebrews - need to kill the witness so they cannot testify.Luke 22 is the Mafia Kiss of Death and this has become a burlesque of the truth.cute stuff, but behind it all cold blooded murder like Dallas November 22, 1963 and the day Lincoln was Shot (and Johnson was half shot).Jim Bishop always used The Day...was shot.so honest an approach but assassination is such a polite politically correct as they say term? So first you need to pick up the code watch words like Acts 19...Apollo he craft that came to naught timed to bible code and then you find further that Paul and Barnabas were called Mercury and Juperterand in Song of Solomon, you find Gemini - the Twins, Castor and Pollux.in Genesis you find the astrological symbolism for the 12 tribesGad, is the Overcomers.remember that old song We Shall Overcome and Song of Solomon, I am Black but Comely equates to Black is Beautiful...one force triggers another but behind it all, the same old puppeteers and he who has the gold calls the tune. Like Pied Piper of Hamlin.the children were led away to the mountains to death, because the parents refused to pay the Piper and the iniquities of the fathers were visited upon the childrenoh see America today, our children being drawn away and sometimes to their deaths at the rock festivals where drugs are promotedwatch television and kids of this generation believe it was always this way? See Macho Man Clinton lad the kids off to primrose path with his evil ways.but then what one does in his own bedroom is his own business - but in the Oval Office, it is everybody's business especially when we see America destroyed from within. See how they spend money as though there is no limit.70 million to investigate little Monica and Clinton while they ignore Los Alamos? Do you know when the Mafia meets in a motel, they open the Gideon Bible as if to call a meeting..used to be the Gidons were called the Christian Commercial Travelers and sold "insurnce"traveled in pairs, dressed in black.like Fuller Brush Man - and never answer your door to the Avon Lady if you get involved in oh so secret stuff - for these people are used like the busy bee Eastern Stars and self styled local masonic spies who spy on their neighborns - busy bees all. I always keep my house off limits to friends and foes anymore...for there is nothing like a little man playing super spook for your locak Knights of Pythias or Masonic Order with the Support Your Police Stickers stuck all over hell. MNASON - diligent seekers of the truth..only the truth is, what you see is what you gets. And I do not like what I am getting and never did like what I see. There is only one book with great truths and that is the Bible..read between lines and like a Shakespearian Play enlightenment comes in degrees - even Freud took to the bible (Job 19 to 21 in particular for you even find his couch there).. Be a cold day in hell when I fall on all fours moslem style to worship anybody and I do not believe man should get on knees before God, for it took us too long to get to our feet..and there are those who want us to
[CTRL] WARNING! Control of Canada's water yielded to the U.S. by NAFTA
8/13/00 I have warned people about this for years now. There is a corporate push on to wrest the control of any country's water resources through legal mechanism like NAFTA and other corporate concoctions. Corporations have been selling Great Lakes water to China for over a year now. I you let businessmen control your water, you are a fool. They will gouge you when you need it most. Just as they do with gasoline and life sustaining medicines. PAY OR DIE! Water is life. Joshua2 Control of Canada's water yielded to the U.S. by NAFTA By Mel Clark ...excerpted from July August 2000 issue The CCPA Monitor [In the April 2000 issue of *The CCPA Monitor*, Jamie Dunn of the Council of Canadians stated that Canada's water was not protected under either the GATT or NAFTA, and called for both agreements to be renegotiated to provide such protection. In this response, Mel Clark, a former senior trade negotiator for the Canadian government, says that our water was protected under the GATT and that the only way to restore that safeguard would be to scrap NAFTA and return to trading with the United States under the GATT.] "Contrary to the reassurances of federal politicians, Canada's water resources are not protected under the terms of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). They were protected under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), which gave Canada complete control over its water, but in signing NAFTA the federal government in effect yielded control of the country's water to the United States. "In his article on Canada's water policy published earlier in The Monitor, the Council of Canadians' Jamie Dunn incorrectly cited GATT Article XX to support his claim that water was "not exempted from the obligations of the GATT." In fact, Article XX (General Exceptions) merely permitted contracting parties to waive their obligations for certain purposes, provided certain conditions were met. But Canada had no obligation to export its water--only to refrain from imposing duties on imported American water. Moreover, Canada had the right to levy prohibitive taxes and thus embargo water exports, precluding any need to invoke Article XX. "The specific GATT provisions that gave Canada control of its water are Articles III: 1, 2, 3 and 4 (National Treatment) and Article I:1 (Export Taxes). "Now that the GATT has been superseded by NAFTA, however, Americans are given the same rights as Canadians to our water. NAFTA cancels our right to tax water exports to the U.S., overrides the constitutional right of the provinces to control the water within their boundaries, and accords U.S. corporations the right to sue the federal government if it--or a province--fails to respect the terms of NAFTA. Nowhere in NAFTA is there any wording that gives Ottawa or the provinces the right to limit or embargo water exports to the U.S.".Mr. Clark concludes that: "The only way to prevent this loss of our water is by terminating NAFTA (and the FTA) and returning to trade with the Americans under the GATT. The suggestion by the Council of Canadians and other critics that the terms of NAFTA and the FTA could simply be renegotiated to restore the protection of our water simply won't work ..." [Full article is posted at www.policyalternatives.ca] Wayne Obie Media Public Relations CFMR/TalkInternational.com http://www.talkinternational.com E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
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Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:25:48 -0500, ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: E-Mails sometimes already have paid advertisements attached. Yes, if you use Yahoo Mail or some other free e-mail provider, they attach an advertisement. They probably attach an ad if you use a free ISP, too. I use Earthlink and they don't attach ads to e-mails, but I pay $19.95 a month for my service. Does an e-mail replace a letter? Does a Thank You phone call replace a Thank You note? Does a Thank You note replace a gift? Does a Gift replace the time spent delivering it in person? how much is your time worth and the person you are Thanking? If this is classed the same as a letter or otherwise it would prove that America has lost it's basic manners and worth. Or perhaps people need to get over themselves. I don't expect to be thanked in person. I don't have to be thanked at all, but if somebody wants to, an e-mail is fine with me. I don't want to be thanked as much as I would like to know if the item(s) I've given will be useful. If it is, I may send similar items. If I get no response at all, I may assume that the item wasn't useful and I won't send as often or I won't send the same types of items. What it boils down to is, I treat others how I expect to be treated. I don't need to be told "thank you" face to face, via letter as opposed to e-mail, or anything. Simply knowing the item was received and not lost somewhere is plenty for me. Therefore I feel somewhat uncomfortable when people hover over me expecting a thank you that I wouldn't want for myself. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] LOS ANGELES: QUIET BEFORE THE STORM
http://www.lalabor.org/Quiet_before_the_Storm.html LOS ANGELES: QUIET BEFORE THE STORM by Jim Smith L.A. Labor News Like a dry, hot desert wind in late summer, an oppressive layer of foreboding hangs over the city of the angels on the eve of the clash of two opposing social movements. Anti-globalization, pro-democracy workers, students, socialists, anarchists and veterans of battles in Seattle, D.C., and Philadelphia are poised to confront those torchbearers of civilization and empire, the leaders of the Democratic Party. They will confront each other on political, ideological and physical levels. It is the latter that has ordinary citizens of Los Angeles convinced that we are on the verge of a Big One, magnitude 7.5 or greater. Depending on their political persuasion and color of their skin, Angelinos are girding for either a police riot, or they are anticipating anarchists and/or terrorists running wild in their downtown streets. As a result, no one except delegates, demonstrators and police will be showing up on the highrise field of battle for the next week. However, 3,000 National Guard troops are standing by to join the fracas. Poor L.A. She began as a paradise of mountains and fields. Later she contracted a hacking cough from the SMOke and foG. Her Native California Indians were nearly extinguished. Her Mexicans were conquered by manifest destiny and her African-Americans saw their good union jobs disappear in the late 70s as auto, rubber and steel plants went South. Rampant development - a literal fear of ecology - riots, earthquakes, uprisings, a paramilitary police force that was unaccountable to anyone, fires, droughts, and rebellions finally led us to Ramparts, the most massive police misconduct scandal in U.S. history. No wonder Angelinos expect the worst. Instead of calming fears, police and L.A.s Republican Mayor Richard Riordan (who is heading the Democratic Partys convention planning committee - talk about Coke and Pepsi!) are following Chicagos late Mayor Daley's (whose son is Albert Gores campaign manager) dictum, circa Chicago 1968, that the police are here to preserve disorder. On July 13, the Mayors byline appeared in an L.A. Times opinion article entitled, A Fair Warning to All: Don't Disrupt Our City, in which His Honor explicitly threatened demonstrators who might interfere with the expensive happy face L.A. was presenting to the world. LAPD officials quickly followed up with a biased video presentation to the L.A. City Council of the Seattle protests that could have been made during the McCarthy era. The stage was set for serious government violence. County Sheriff Lee Bacas statement, August 10, "We have plenty of room in our jails" was merely icing on the cake. Antidotal evidence says the LAPD is itching for a fight. L.A.s first African-American Police Chief Willie Williams was quickly deposed when he actually tried to implement reforms called for by the Christopher Commission in the wake of the Rodney King beating and subsequent massive uprising. He was replaced by Bernard Parks who acts as if he has never heard of Warren Christopher. Parks appointed Tom Lorenzen, the former head of L.A.s SWAT squad, to be field commander of the convention detail (what valuable skills does he bring to the job?). Friends who have relatives who are married to cops say the LAPD wants to regain its honor after its slow reaction to the 1994 uprising and to the Lakers victory party riot last month. Its the Vietnam syndrome again. ON THE EVE OF THE ENCOUNTER Its Saturday night. Tomorrow is the first big march - for Mumia Abu Jamal. He is the poster model for the fight against capital punishment. He is becoming our patron saint, in the way that Che Guevara is the patron saint of Cuba. The fact that he is wrongly accused of killing a Philadelphia cop is incidental - except to the cops who see red at the mention of his name. If we can get past Sunday without police violence, we have a chance to get home free. I visit the Independent Media Center in Patriotic Hall, which is just a stones throw (excuse the expression) from the Office Supply convention center (you wont get a free commercial plug from me), where the convention will take place. About 100 veterans and new video, audio and print journalists are gathered in a stuffy room where they lay plans to cover the demonstration with military precision. If the pen is indeed mightier than the sword, these are the people for the establishment to fear. Theyre well organized and they have diverse skills which are not in service to the corporations. What could be scarier? Democracy Now, the Nightline of the alternative media will be encamping on these premises by Monday and delivering TV, radio and web feeds across the country. Do the Democrats have a chance of winning the ideological battle? I think not. Onward to the Peoples Convention which is holding forth in the
[CTRL] Activist dumps manure at Democrats\' hotel
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Aug. 13, 2000 | An activist dressed in a pink pig costume dumped four tons of animal
manure from a truck Saturday in front of a hotel housing guests attending the
Democratic National Convention.
Elsewhere, anti-abortion activists and immigrant rights advocates organized small
protests, the first in a week of demonstrations expected to draw thousands during the
convention that starts Monday.
At the Wilshire Grand Hotel, about 10 people from People for the Ethical Treatment of
Animals stood on the sidewalk as the activist dumped the manure in the hotel driveway.
Some wore the same full-body pig costumes and carried placards that read, "Meat is
murder."
Police impounded the truck and arrested the driver, Sean McKinney Diener, 20, of
Layton, Utah. He was booked for illegal dumping, a misdemeanor.
City workers and hotel employees cleaned up the 5-foot by 10-foot spill with shovels
and trashcans.
In February, the group performed a similar stunt outside a restaurant where Republican
presidential candidate George W. Bush had just eaten breakfast.
In other protests Saturday:
-- Nearly 30 anti-abortion demonstrators marched around the site of the convention
carrying poster-sized pictures of aborted fetuses.
-- Activists protesting U.S. immigration policies set up 553 white crosses in a church
parking lot to commemorate people who have lost their lives crossing the U.S.-Mexico
border since the 1994 inception of Operation Gatekeeper, a crackdown that pushed
illegal traffic to more remote and treacherous areas.
About 50 people, nearly a dozen of them dressed in ceremonial Mexican outfits, danced
and marched in a protest outside Vice President Al Gore's downtown office.
The National Chicano Moratorium Committee sponsored the rally about three blocks from
Staples Center, where the convention will take place, to call for undocumented-worker
amnesty and a stronger Hispanic voice in government.
Rudy Pisani, 61, of Los Angeles, held a banner that read, "Democrats and Republicans
-- Executioners of Latin Americans."
Other protesters prepared for demonstrations outside Staples Center by making banners,
picket signs and large, satiric puppets at their headquarters near MacArthur Park.
A day earlier, a federal judge ruled that police could only enter that building if
they had a search warrant or during an emergency. The decision came in response to the
American Civil Liberties Union's complaint that the headquarters, named the
Convergence Center, had been a target of police harassment.
The department earlier was ordered to shrink a security zone around the Staples Center
to allow demonstrators to be nearer to delegates.
Police Chief Bernard Parks joined activists Saturday to pay tribute to children slain
by violence and to call for greater restrictions on guns. Parks and his wife, Bobbi,
added a pair of ballet shoes belonging to their 20-year-old granddaughter Lori
Gonzalez, who was gunned down outside a fast-food restaurant, to more than 200 pairs
of shoes from young victims of gun violence.
"When people say guns don't kill people, they're not being truthful," Parks said.
"Guns do kill and they kill at a very high rate."
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"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
it's end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and
blood.It has indeed been a trying hour for the
Republic, but I see in the near future a crisis approaching
that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety
of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been
enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will
follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to
prolong it's reign by working on the prejudices of the
people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the
Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety
for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the
midst of war."
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Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
Involuntary wrote: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:25:48 -0500, ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Does an e-mail replace a letter? Does a Thank You phone call replace a Thank You note? Does a Thank You note replace a gift? Does a Gift replace the time spent delivering it in person? how much is your time worth and the person you are Thanking? If this is classed the same as a letter or otherwise it would prove that America has lost it's basic manners and worth. Or perhaps people need to get over themselves. I don't expect to be thanked in person. I don't have to be thanked at all, but if somebody wants to, an e-mail is fine with me. I don't want to be thanked as much as I would like to know if the item(s) I've given will be useful. If it is, I may send similar items. If I get no response at all, I may assume that the item wasn't useful and I won't send as often or I won't send the same types of items. What it boils down to is, I treat others how I expect to be treated. I don't need to be told "thank you" face to face, via letter as opposed to e-mail, or anything. Simply knowing the item was received and not lost somewhere is plenty for me. Therefore I feel somewhat uncomfortable when people hover over me expecting a thank you that I wouldn't want for myself. Ty Amen! It's the thought behind the gesture that counts. Many "manners" have turned into rituals that have lost their emotional content over the years. "How do you do?" "Fine, thank you. And you?" Many perform them because they feel they must, not out of any true desire. -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The Early Days of the John Birch Society, Part 7
The Early Days of the John Birch Society: Fascist Templars of the Corporate State By Alex Constantine Part 7: Corporate Sponsorship More CIA Connections In the wings of the Birch Society with its rejection of all things "collectivist" lurked its corporate-military sponsors and directors. In an address to the Cooperative League of the United States, T.K. Quinn, a former vice president of General Electric an "Insider" shared his view of the corporate sector that created the Society and supported it: "In forms of organization and control, these giants are essentially collectivistic, fascist states, with self-elected and self-perpetuating officers and directors, quite like the Russian politiboro in this respect. Their control extends directly over production, over tens of thousands of small supplying manufacturers and subcontractors, and over thousands of distributors and dealers. Indirectly, the control of these giant corporations influences legislation through paid lobbies in state capitals and Washington, and it is seen and felt in the magazines, newspapers, radio and television stations, all dependent upon these giants and their associates for their existence" (George Seldes, "Postscript: NAM and the John Birch Society," in Never Tire of Protesting, Lyle Stuart, 1968, p. 124). The ranking corporations were unified by the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM). Robert Welch had been an officer of NAM. NAM and related organizations didn't score too badly in their lobbying efforts in a sample year: WON LOST PERCENT NAM6 0 1,000 Committee for Constitutional Government 7 1.875 U.S. Chamber of Commerce 6 2 .750 Other lobbying groups didn't fare so well. The American Federation of Labor won three lobbying campaigns and lost seven. The League of Women Voters was successful in one attempt to see legislation passed, but lost four. The Farmers' Union, 1-in-8. The Veterans of Foreign Wars, 1-in-5 (Seldes, pp. 124-125, from a Congressional Quarterly scorecard). Seldes observed that NAM, "the richest and most powerful lobby in the nation, got all the laws it sponsored passed by Congress." The Committee for Constitutional Government, "called 'America's No. 1 fascist organization' by Congressman Wright Patman, won seven in eight that it sponsored" (p. 125). Clearly, favoritism at the legislative level favored "collectivist," "fascist" corporate fronts. The Birch Society was an arm of NAM and its constituent corporations General Motors, DuPont, Sunoco, U.S. Steel and so on. "Another organization," Seldes wrote, "apparently founded with the intention of the Birch Society to unite reaction in a vast and powerful political weapon, calls itself Americans for Constitutional Action and unites NAM leaders, the owners of the Reader's Digest, and Birchites; it is reaction's answer to Americans for Democratic Action" (p. 121). Reader's Digest? This recalls another directorate locked into these groups the CIA. In the Eisenhower period, propagandists on the Agency payroll were featured on a regular basis in the pages of the Digest, including Allen Dulles, Carl Rowan, James Burnham, Brian Crozier and Stewart Alsop. The magazine remains a glib tool of CIA propaganda. Another is the National Review. In the first issue, released on November 19, 1955, William F. Buckley, another CIA propagandist, printed a "Publisher's Statement" in which he declared war on "the Liberals, who run the country." The Review, Buckley boasted, "stands athwart history, yelling Stop!" In March, 1956, John Fischer, editor of Harper's, wrote: "Last November, newstands throughout the country offered the first issue of a new magazine, National Review, with described itself as 'frankly, conservative.'" But the magazine's first half-dozen issues made it clear that the Review "was an organ, not of conservatism, but of radicalism ... [and] like most of the extremist little magazines, it seems to be aimed at an audience of True Believers." The magazine's readership were "emotional people who throw themselves frantically into a cause often to make up for some kind of frustration in their private lives. They form the hard core of many religious, nationalist and revolutionary movements: they have great capacity, in Hoffer's words, for 'enthusiasm, fervent hope, hatred and intolerance ... blind faith and single-hearted allegiance.' They are the opposite of conservatives" (Rusher, pp. 47-48). Dwight MacDonald, a staff writer for the New Yorker, opined, "NR seems worth examining as a cultural phenomenon: the MaCarthy nationalists they call themselves conservative, but that is surely a misnomer have never before made so heroic an effort to be intellectually
[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Lieberman and liquor?
Erroneous information. Seagram's has always been based in Canada. The Bronfmans, however, live in New York. Edgar Bronfman, Sr. was married to the daughter of John L. Loeb, of the old Loeb, Rhodes investment bank. The Loebs are also married to Lehmans. Stephen Birmingham states in his book that the family members had a great number of investments, and that they created an intelligence force similar to the CIA to protect their investments long before the CIA existed. Linda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: Fwd: [CTRL] Lieberman and liquor? In a message dated 8/12/00 4:51:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bronfman family fortune came from bootlegging booze made in Canada across Lake Erie into the U.S. during Prohibition. The Bronfman family owns Seagram's, the multinational booze purveyor. And which has headquarters in Connecticut (or did at one time)... June
Re: [CTRL] WARNING! Control of Canada's water yielded to the U.S. by NAFTA
But Canada had no obligation to export its water--only to refrain from imposing duties on imported American water. Exactly! If it isn't for sale no goverment can complain. Let em' go dry for all I care. A Proud Canuck, Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Johannesburg: A Glimpse of America's Future
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Dave Kuehne" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dave" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Johannesburg: A Glimpse of America's Future Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:37 AM I've heard Africa referred to as the "cradle of civilization." Perhaps it was, eons ago. But today Africa is the "coffin of civilization." America is headed for the same fate. There is only one solution, and no one in any prominent position will even dare to whisper the truth. Our doom is upon us. So lock up your daughters and your wives, keep a shotgun handy, and sleep with one eye open, then, perhaps you will live to see another day. Welcome to the new U.S.A. -DaveK- -- begin attachment -- An excellent article..the current collapse of Africa's infrastructure, economy and society. I expected it to take many more years than it has. Pay attention to the paragraph which I have isolated with ***. That's the same situation we now have in Chicago which has Puerto Rican gang members as police officers and Los Angeles where the police are Mexican and commit more crimes than other 'identifiable groups'! - Tripp -- begin attachment -- What we (USA) have to look forward to in about 30 years (maybe sooner)... A stunning article appeared in the Daily Mail of October 30th. Written by Ross Benson, reporting first-hand from Johannesburg, it lifts the lid on the near-collapse of South Africa since white rule ended a few years ago. Self-destruction And how may one measure that catastrophe? South Africa's regression towards primeval barbarism, which Benson details, is quite neatly summarised at the head of his article: "A woman is raped every 28 seconds, qualified doctors are leaving in droves, while beggars and goats have set up home in the marble foyers of derelict banks. South Africa today has become a nation on the edge of self-destruction." Law and order have to all intents and purposes broken down in South Africa. Any sense of security no longer exists. Says Benson of the country's crime:- "Farmers are butchered in their fields. The parks and beaches have become killing fields. Car-jackings with mind-numbing violence are a daily occurrence. The murder rate is running at 27,000 a year." Benson then repeats the horrifying statistics for rape, of which more will be said.These figures, he comments, "breed the kind of fear that has you leaping at shadows, jumping red lights and climbing out of bed in the middle of the night to check, yet again, that you have double-locked the doors." For you to protect your home even halfway adequately, it now seems that you need to pay an 'armed response' security firm. But whatever you do is never enough. One black businessman told Benson that he had lost count of the numbers of his friends who had been mugged. Everyone is in the firing line. No social gathering can take place without horror stories being exchanged. But at this point we get some hint of the censorship that hitherto has been mobilised to keep as much as possible of the truth from the public gaze (presumably an increasingly difficult task in the ever-worsening crisis engulfing the country). A white security man commented on the criminal mayhem: "It's happening to your friends, your brother, his wife, your sister, your mother," but, "it isn't something you read in the papers or hear about on the television news any more." Adds Benson: "He carried a gun, but he wasn't fooling himself. He knew it could happen to him. In Mandela's 'Rainbow Nation' the dream is running blood red." Clearly, South Africa's new ANC (African National Congress) Government is almost neurotically aware that the legitimacy of its rule is at stake here. Decline of a city Nowhere is the situation worse than in Johannesburg, where it is exemplified in all its worst manifestations. Benson gives a graphic description of how that unhappy city has declined. Here too, he comes courageously close to modern-day heresy in giving the White Man his historic due as the true creator of South Africa's original productive infra-structure (a subject today largely taboo in a world sold on the 'politically correct' elevation of the non-European at the expense of the European), and also focusing on the White Man's predicament now. In a striking characterisation of the city, Benson writes:- "Built on the largest seam of gold ever discovered, this was once the richest city in Africa, a gleaming steel-and-glass citadel rising out of the brown ocean of the Veld, a testament to the economic power (and perhaps the innate character? JM) of the white community that built it, but also an example of what can be achieved by hard work and individual
Re: [CTRL] Werner von Braun - was I WAS DICK CHENEY'S SEX SLAVE'
I thought it was obvious that I meant the Germany of the Nazi regime in power during WWII. I have nothing against Germans as a people or nation. The taint is associated with the Nazis since they were in power during much of the time that this technology was developed and they used ruthless and bloody means to test and build it. On Sat, 12 August 2000, "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: At 04:25 PM 8/11/00 -0700, tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad this technology will always be tainted by the blood and death perpetrated by the Germans, and every country since them (and before for that matter). Well, then, wouldn't it logically and humanely follow that to save the world from the "blood and death" that WILL be perpetrated by Germans in the future that we should quietly and humanely exterminate them all now? You will undoubtedly enjoy reading "Germany Must Perish", by Theodore Kaufmann. DBC A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fiction is stranger than truth?
AH! Delta Green. Well, this is "fiction" writing in the tradition of Lovecraft with a modern edge. Delta Green is a covert and illegal operation within the government of the US who views its duty as rooting out the minions of the Old Ones and others of the Cthulhu Myth Cycle and stopping their attempts at causing madness and destruction. I highly recommend the books and the web-site. It is all very interesting stuff, and merely fiction. . .but I have often wondered at how the actual events and high strangness of history and existence (at least at times) correlates so well with much of what Lovecraft started with his so-called myth cycle, as well as by the continued propagation of it by countless writers over the years. On Sat, 12 August 2000, Kris Millegan wrote: from: http://www.delta-green.com/home.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.delta-green.com/home.html"Delta-Green.com/A - Search: "Evil never dies. Darkness never retreats. In the cracks and the crevices of our society there are monsters undreamed of by the rank and file of humanity. I've been there. I've seen them. They exist in the spaces between things, in the folds of existence where we can't find them. Sometimes they cross over, sometimes they manifest, and all hell breaks loose. Only this is not Hell, nor Heaven. This is like nothing anyone has ever understood. This is pure evil, pure destruction. This is the Apocalypse." -- Maj. Gen. Reginald Fairfield, U.S. Army (Ret.), 25 FEB 1994 More Tales of Terror Ideas. You want 'em. We got 'em. By the dozen, in all shapes and sizes. From ugly little beasts to raving monstrosities, and every horror in between. Scenario idea after scenario idea for Call of Cthulhu, each with three different ways to implement them so your players never know what's coming. Fresh, hot, and juicy, straight from the grill of grue--and bloody, bloody rare . . . Click the book above to find out more! Accessing delta-green.com... Access approved. Accessing file... WELCOME TO THE DELTA GREEN WEB SERVER This is a database of critical information to be shared among case officers, agents, and other authorized parties. LAST UPDATE: 29 JUN 2000 RELEASED BY: Christopher APPROVED BY: Alphonse, Adam [Cell A] UPDATE - 18 JULY 2000: Friendlies report that two Delta Green simulation manuals were recognized in the Origins Awards for Game Design, described as "the Oscars of gaming." DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN was awarded for Outstanding Achievement in Roleplaying Supplement Design, and DELTA GREEN: THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT was awarded for Outstanding Game-Related Novel. Congratulations to the authors of these manuals for their fine work in expanding the influence of our group. LATEST INTELLIGENCE: New files at Delta-Green.com include a number of Case Histories, a chilling Field Report, several pieces of Imagery Intelligence, documentation of a dedicated Delta Green IRC server, an Agent Dossier, and one humor article in Section 8. Archival of the high-traffic Delta Green Mailing List continues on a more-or-less daily basis. ADDITIONAL INTELLIGENCE: A second printing of DELTA GREEN EYES ONLY VOLUME THREE: PROJECT RAINBOW is now in progress, and the book should be available for shipping by mid-July. DGEO3 is not sold in stores, and is only available through front company Pagan Publishing's mail-order catalog, The Outsider. Details may be found on their web site: www.tccorp.com. Interested parties can obtain the latest intelligence from front company Tynes Cowan Corporation (ref Operation PAGAN PUBLISHING) by subscribing to the Pagan Publishing announcement list. Agents and friendlies alike should sign up at the Tynes Cowan Corporation website to be added to the list. Write for Delta-Green.com! Your reports could be critical to other readers. Click here to learn more. S I T E I N D E X Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for one's self. Click here if you dare to seek the truth. Case files, research and analysis, imagery, dossiers, and other vital intelligence can be found here. * Items of Mutual Interest (Primary documents.) It's a dangerous world out there, and Delta Green can't investigate everything. Here are an assortment of anomalous incidents, briefings, and training scenarios that we haven't yet checked out. Enterprising agents are encouraged to examine these documents and pursue them with diligence. If you do, send any completed reports to Case Officer Christopher. * Reports from the Field (Mission reports.) Cell A has authorized the distribution of these final reports from actual Delta Green operations, both successful and calamitous. Read and learn. * Case Histories (Short stories.) A DG agent is a person of many talents. Some of our more literary-minded
[CTRL] [Fwd: United States - Presidential Campaign]
Original Message Subject: United States - Presidential Campaign Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:06:22 -0500 (CDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stratfor.com's Weekly Global Intelligence Update - 14 August 2000 _ Know your world. The Waning Power of Indonesia's President http://www.stratfor.com/asia/commentary/0008112200.htm Kuwait Threatens Troop Mobilization http://www.stratfor.com/MEAF/commentary/0008112217.htm _ The Next President The Unspoken Issue: The Impact of Globalization Summary Last week, The Weekly Analysis probed the underlying foreign policy challenges of the American presidential election. This week, the second part of this series examines the most potentially divisive - and unspoken - issue of all: globalization. As the Democratic Party meets in Los Angeles, this issue is at the root of the next president's choices on foreign policy. And this is the one thing neither major candidate will dare discuss. Analysis With the economy booming and foreign dangers distant, the American presidential campaign is unlikely to attempt to move many voters with issues of foreign policy. This reflects an elite consensus on U.S. foreign policy: The international system is driven by economics, which is increasingly global, integrated and interdependent, and this is all for the good. This has been the American elite consensus for a decade. But there is a powerful undercurrent running both through American politics and politics abroad, one that angrily and profoundly rejects this narrow economic prism for viewing the world. The speed and power of the flow of capital in the last decade has raised economies - and destroyed them. In the United States itself, a small, noisy but potentially powerful movement is rising, rejecting the cliche that a rising tide lifts all boats. Some, the leaky ones, get sunk. The effects of globalization are among the most important legacies of the last decade. And yet they are the ones that are either accepted as undeniable fact by proponents, in multi-national corporations and government, or swept under the rug. This is the case in the American presidential campaign: Both major candidates running for office offer the same foreign policy. Only one man will be president, and he will have to wrestle with the effects of globalization, both at home and abroad. And yet neither will talk about it. It is unlikely that at any time this week in Los Angeles, Vice President Al Gore will stop to publicly dwell on how badly the Thai economy has been ravaged, or how dislocated U.S. workers will find their place in the information economy. Would you like to see full text? http://www.stratfor.com/SERVICES/giu2000/081400.ASP ___ The primary mission of Washington's foreign policy has been to prevent side issues - like political-military ones - from interfering in the expansion of the world trading system. As a result, questions over Taiwan or human rights have been essentially shut out of the dialogue with China. Exceptions can be found in the rogue nations, led by governments impervious to economic pain and subject to sanctions and military action at the hands of the international community. The result of this strategy is a remarkably contiguous U.S. foreign policy since the end of the Cold War, whether steered by the Bush or Clinton administrations. Both did everything possible to prevent the disruption of relations with China. Both have done everything possible to use institutions - like the International Monetary Fund - to diffuse power from individual nations. Under Republican and Democratic presidents alike, Washington led coalitions to war against rogue countries like Iraq or Yugoslavia, or to control dysfunctional economies, like Indonesia's. In the 2000 campaign, both George W. Bush and Al Gore are completely committed to the pursuit of this same foreign policy. This is the ideology not only of the American elite, but the ideology of the global elite, as well. Indeed, it is not only an elite perspective. In advanced industrial countries, this ideology has mass appeal. But it does not have universal appeal. Throughout the world, there are groups, though marginal, that are deeply opposed to this ideology. Moreover, the application of this ideology is increasingly difficult for major international leaders. Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese Prime Minister Jiang Zemin are examples of leaders torn by a globalist ideology they genuinely accept - but find increasingly painful to pursue at home. Two forces are in play against globalization. First and most immediate, are the national interests abroad. It is possible to quickly construct a patchwork map of places essentially wiped out or left behind by globalization. This includes much of
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Joseph Lieberman holds Israelie Citizenship andUSACitizenship.]
Nurev Ind Research wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: [CTRL] Joseph Lieberman holds Israelie Citizenship andUSACitizenship. Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:15:33 -0700 From: "Damian B. Cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:26 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8/10/00 - - - snip - - - The reason the DemocRATS chose a Jew was not only to out-Liberal the Republicans, but to GET HILLARY ELECTED IN NEW YORK. I am fairly sure that the DemocRATS know they are going to lose the Oval Office. Whether Gore-Lieberman wins or loses, Jewish political interests are advanced. So what's the problem? If Gore wins, Jews will have gained complete and total access to the central power of the U.S. government. You mean like Protestants have had all this time? Everything that occurs in the Oval office will be known to and subject to manipulation by the New York Times, the ADL, the World Jewish Congress, Mossad, . . . How do you know this? Have you seen Mossad plans? Do you ever read the NYT? If Gore loses, it will be portrayed as being ONLY because Lieberman was a Jew, and the defeat of Gore-Lieberman CONFIRMS that "anti-Semitism" is still rampant in American society. Well sure. It's full of people like you. America will then be challenged at every turn, on every issue to "demonstrate that it can overcome its anti-Semitism" by acceding to every wish and demand that Jews put forward. I asked for a big screen TV. The government never gave it to me under this Jew dominated White House. I need some guilt ridden WASPs back in office so I can get my damn TV. VOTE BUSH!!! Jewish power in America and in Western Society is fundamentally based on the psychology of passive-agression. "You hate me, and YOU have to do something for ME to PROOVE that YOU are not a bigot". This is particularly effective in the largely Christian societies of Western Europe and North America, which are significantly influended by the Christian ethic of "love they neighbor" HH, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's a good one. I'll have to tell that one at the next Elders of Zion meeting. " Love thy neighbor," really funny. I enjoy religious humor. Got any more? (to include Jews), and of atonement for "sin". Poor Christians. They have suffered so at the hands of Indians, Africans, Gypsies, and Jews who forced them to commit genocide on every inhabited continent. Why? Because they love their neighbors to pieces. The Jewish establishment will make this work to their advantage if Lieberman loses. DBC Unless I'm mistaken the last few presidents were Protestant Christians. Based on their records of undermining the Constitution, the political system, the economy, and at least one case of outright treason, I would strongly recommend banning all protestants from positions of power for about 240 years. We loyal Americans who are not WASPs need to protect our country from this evil conniving religious sect. They are sneaky, evil, violent thieves who only want to dominate the world. They are the vast majority of ' International Bankers ' and think nothing of holding dual citizenship with countries like Britain, Switzerland, and several tiny but tax free Caribbean countries invented just for them. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THEY'LL DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY. Caveat Votor! Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING! Control of Canada's water yielded to the U.S.byNAFTA
Mike Smith wrote: But Canada had no obligation to export its water--only to refrain from imposing duties on imported American water. Exactly! If it isn't for sale no goverment can complain. Let em' go dry for all I care. A Proud Canuck, Mike Smith So Canada, with its small population, has approximately 40 per cent of the world's fresh water, and you think we should let people die of thirst or see their crops fail because of lack of water? And do you think, with our decimated military, we could even stop the Americans if they just decided to take it? And just because Canada is in a privileged situation today, doesn't mean we will always be so - it is not written in some Universal Law that we will always enjoy our present status. I am a proud Canadian too, and one thing I have always thought is that we are a generous people. And remember the flood in Manitoba a few years back? The United States offered us much volunteer help then - they didn't say: "Oh, let them all drown for all I care." Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
