On 15/08/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
A thought experiment: If we ran the existing test automation on
4.0.0, how many of the bugs that we're fixing in 4.0.1 do you think
would be detected?
I would expect this 4.0.1 blocker issue (wrong results in certain Calc
functions) to be detectable by
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 August 2013 23:10, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
wrote:
Am 08/14/2013 10:05 PM, schrieb Hagar Delest:
Le 14/08/2013 21:39, Rob Weir a écrit :
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 August 2013 23:10, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
wrote:
Am 08/14/2013 10:05
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
On 15/08/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
A thought experiment: If we ran the existing test automation on
4.0.0, how many of the bugs that we're fixing in 4.0.1 do you think
would be detected?
I would expect this 4.0.1
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 August
Hi,
On 14.08.2013 18:59, Rob Weir wrote:
We're working now on AOO 4.0.1, to fix defects in AOO 4.0.0. The fact
that we're doing this, and their are no arguments against it, shows
that we value quality. I'd like to take this a step further, and see
what we can learn from the defects in AOO
On 8/14/13 8:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
On 14 August 2013 19:36, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps.
Nothing compares to general public testing - betas
On Aug 15, 2013 11:14 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/14/13 8:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
On 14 August 2013 19:36, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should
On 8/15/13 12:19 PM, janI wrote:
On Aug 15, 2013 11:14 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/14/13 8:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
On 14 August 2013 19:36, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The 4.0 release
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 22:58, Rob Weir wrote:
Finally, I think we can all point to a similar open source project
that has numerous betas, but still suffers from poor quality. So a
public beta, by itself, is not
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/15/13 12:19 PM, janI wrote:
On Aug 15, 2013 11:14 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/14/13 8:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
On 14 August
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
On 14.08.2013 18:59, Rob Weir wrote:
We're working now on AOO 4.0.1, to fix defects in AOO 4.0.0. The fact
that we're doing this, and their are no arguments against it, shows
that we value
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/15/13 1:33 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 8/15/13 12:19 PM, janI wrote:
On Aug 15, 2013 11:14 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
I apologize in advance if my note was note clear. I'm not at all
interested in off-the-cuff opinions. We all have our opinions. But
I'm only interested in fact-based analysis of the actual regressions
reported in BZ. Specifically: what caused the actually defects that
ended up in 4.0.0 and
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
On 14 August 2013 19:36, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps.
Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates
should not
Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps.
Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates
should not be avoided.
Le 14/08/2013 21:01, Raphael Bircher a écrit :
I like the idea of a public beta. But consider the numbers. The 40
or so regressions that were reported came from an install base (based
on download figures since 4.0.0 was released) of around 3 million
users. Realistically, can we expect
Le 14/08/2013 21:29, Hagar Delest a écrit :
Le 14/08/2013 21:01, Raphael Bircher a écrit :
I like the idea of a public beta. But consider the numbers. The 40
or so regressions that were reported came from an install base (based
on download figures since 4.0.0 was released) of around 3
Am 08/14/2013 09:01 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher:
Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps.
Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote:
Le 14/08/2013 21:29, Hagar Delest a écrit :
Le 14/08/2013 21:01, Raphael Bircher a écrit :
I like the idea of a public beta. But consider the numbers. The 40
or so regressions that were reported came from an
Le 14/08/2013 21:37, Marcus (OOo) a écrit :
In general, my feeling is that it's too early to do a retrospective and ask what
was good, what needs to be improved? (to say it with SCRUM words ;-) ) Just after
the first major release.
Well, I visit forums and contribute since OOo 2.0 and it's
Am 08/14/2013 09:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Hagar Delesthagar.del...@laposte.net wrote:
Le 14/08/2013 21:29, Hagar Delest a écrit :
Le 14/08/2013 21:01, Raphael Bircher a écrit :
I like the idea of a public beta. But consider the numbers. The 40
or so
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 08/14/2013 09:01 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher:
Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should
Am 08/14/2013 09:50 PM, schrieb Hagar Delest:
Le 14/08/2013 21:37, Marcus (OOo) a écrit :
In general, my feeling is that it's too early to do a retrospective
and ask what was good, what needs to be improved? (to say it with
SCRUM words ;-) ) Just after the first major release.
Well, I visit
Le 14/08/2013 21:39, Rob Weir a écrit :
Maybe we need to call an earlier build the RC so it will get more
attention? We had a complete test build that we were testing for
over a month. But maybe it is ignored unless we call it an RC? In
other words, there were many opportunities for users to
Am 08/14/2013 09:58 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 08/14/2013 09:01 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher:
Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharpel...@mail-page.com wrote:
Dear Rob
The
Am 08/14/2013 10:05 PM, schrieb Hagar Delest:
Le 14/08/2013 21:39, Rob Weir a écrit :
Maybe we need to call an earlier build the RC so it will get more
attention? We had a complete test build that we were testing for
over a month. But maybe it is ignored unless we call it an RC? In
other words,
Am 08/14/2013 10:24 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
Am 08/14/2013 10:05 PM, schrieb Hagar Delest:
Le 14/08/2013 21:39, Rob Weir a écrit :
Maybe we need to call an earlier build the RC so it will get more
attention? We had a complete test build that we were testing for
over a month. But maybe it is
On 14 August 2013 20:39, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Maybe we need to call an earlier build the RC so it will get more
attention? We had a complete test build that we were testing for
over a month. But maybe it is ignored unless we call it an RC? In
other words, there were many
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 08/14/2013 10:05 PM, schrieb Hagar Delest:
Le 14/08/2013 21:39, Rob Weir a écrit :
Maybe we need to call an earlier build the RC so it will get more
attention? We had a complete test build that we were testing for
On 14 August 2013 23:10, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 08/14/2013 10:05 PM, schrieb Hagar Delest:
Le 14/08/2013 21:39, Rob Weir a écrit :
Maybe we need to call an earlier build the RC so it will get more
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 08/14/2013 09:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Hagar
Delesthagar.delest@laposte.**nethagar.del...@laposte.net
wrote:
Le 14/08/2013 21:29, Hagar Delest a écrit :
Le 14/08/2013 21:01,
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