Christopher A. Kantarjiev wrote:
After many months, this thread rears its ugly head again :-)
At the time, I said that I would take a crack at updating Your Novice
Accent and collecting resources for the new ham who is trying to get
proficient at CW.
I decided, after a while, that updating
After many months, this thread rears its ugly head again :-)
At the time, I said that I would take a crack at updating Your Novice Accent
and collecting resources for the new ham who is trying to get proficient at CW.
I decided, after a while, that updating YNA was something I didn't want to
On Apr 18, 2006, at 10:33 PM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
Why get sloppy and why some guys trying
to run their keyers at 40 WPM?
I never send that fast, because I can't copy that fast. But, I have
been known to run CW as high as 32 wpm. I do know guys that can go a
LOT faster.
Why send your
On Apr 18, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
If you are a DXer, how many times have you succeeded
with only a 'single' call in a big pileup? You may have to send
your call
a bunch of times,and/or be running a bunch of power.
I NEVER do this. I send my call once and then listen. I may
Just how much time does sending a DE or a K take?
Not much, but NOT sending them takes less time
Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quote: Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!
-- Wilbur Wright, 1901
Bill and others:
, Tony
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is CW a Language? OT
Just how much time does sending a DE
N2TK, Tony wrote:
Why even send the call of the station you are calling, especially
if it is a contest? He knows his(her) call.
Months ago, I started the thread in the subject line, it got beat to
death, and I'm surprised it got resurrected. I'm not surprised, however
at how it has morphed.
Your Novice Accent was originally printed, in QST, in the mid 1950's. New
Novices were frequently sent reprints, by the league, shortly after they
received their Novice license. It was reprinted in the 1990's. Some of the
information found therein is a little dated, due to changes in
As a new CW operator trying to figure it out, I am quite sad that the
various ARRL Handbooks don't cover CW operating practices in detail.
I made this offer last time the topic came up, and will make it again:
if an experienced operator would be willing to work with me, I'd love
to write up a
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Chris Kantarjiev wrote:
As a new CW operator trying to figure it out, I am quite sad that the
various ARRL Handbooks don't cover CW operating practices in detail.
I made this offer last time the topic came up, and will make it again:
if an experienced operator would be
In a message dated 4/18/06 9:58:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
| However, these days, operating zero-beat on a single frequency, the
| long call is just a waste of time. You call CQ DE W5TVW K. I'll
| answer AA4LR
On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
IMHO, this practice [dropping DE and K prosigns in contests]
reflects badly on the contester (on his Morse
professionalism, if you will). Unfortunately, it also becomes
for many a
bad habit carried over into routine operation. We're only
On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
| However, these days, operating zero-beat on a single frequency, the
| long call is just a waste of time. You call CQ DE W5TVW K. I'll
| answer AA4LR on the same frequency. Where's the confusion?
Perhaps no confusion to you, the sending
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|
| On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
|
| IMHO, this practice [dropping DE and K prosigns in contests]
| reflects badly on the contester
]
To: Sandy W5TVW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is CW a Language? OT
|
| On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
|
| | However, these days, operating zero-beat on a single
Mike Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
It is unfortunate that contest and DX rules in general don't mandate
complete call sign exchanges by both stations, each containing both
station
call signs along with the proper prosigns. That would certainly be more
Since the FCC has few monitors who can
In contest operation, we'll dispense with the DE and K altogether.
IMHO, this practice reflects badly on the contester (on his Morse
professionalism, if you will). Unfortunately, it also becomes for many a
bad habit carried over into routine operation. We're only talking about
taking a *small*
|
| Back in the day when most hams used crystal controlled transmitters,
| and would tune 10-25 kHz either side of their CQ looking for answers,
| the practice of answering a CQ with W5TVW W5TVW W5TVW DE AA4LR AA4LR
| AA4LR AR made sense.
|
| However, these days, operating zero-beat on a
In a message dated 2/8/06 12:45:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
|
| In contest operation, we'll dispense with the DE and K altogether.
| Millions of contest CW contacts are made this way each year, without
| sending both calls.
And without any confusion.
|
Jim, N2EY wrote:
Contesting is one way to build operator skills, by
pushing yourself beyond the comfort zone. It's also one of the driving
forces
behind improvements in ham rigs and techniques, such as the replacement of
separates with transceivers.
Agreed absolutely and, as Jim went on to
On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
Biggest violation of all is when someone calls CQ, another station
just
answers W1ABC W1ABC K. Who is he calling? I usually respond by
sending: QRZ? QRZ? DE W5TVW K.
Often the other station will simply send
W1ABC W1ABC K If the band is
On Jan 14, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
The Amateurs and airplane pilots seem the only ones who still use it.
(Yes, airplane pilots STILL have to use Morse to decode the aural
identification of DME/VOR/NDB transmitters/beacons.)
Yeah, but for us pilots, we only have to decode a
To: Sandy W5TVW
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is CW a Language? OT
On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
Biggest violation of all is when someone calls CQ, another station
just
answers W1ABC W1ABC K. Who is he calling? I
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:11 PM
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| In a message dated 1/13/06 3:35:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|
|
| The use of CL, KN, BK, or the use of both AR and K at the end of the same
| transmission is nonsense.
|
|
| I
Hi Joe.
Morse turned out in practice not as useful as the Tap code.
See http://www.miafacts.org/pages.htm
Cortland
KA5S
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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:14:53 -0500
From: Joseph Trombino Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Might I suggest that dragging a rock along the prison wall
In a message dated 1/14/2006 8:13:59 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are ham license classes teaching proper procedures anymore?
Sandy, I have been a ham for one and one-half years. There were no ham
classes when I got licensed. Since I only operate CW, I looked
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is CW a Language? OT
Operating protocol today is absolutely atrocious at times!
A lot of the newer hams know nothing about really proper procedure and
many are very short on manners!
Biggest violation of all is when someone calls CQ, another station just
answers W1ABC W1ABC K
Of course it is!!
73, de Earl, K6SE
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Ci,
For you and any others in your situation, may I suggest that you avail
yourself of the ARRL Operating Manual. The ARRL Handbook used to briefly
cover operating standards, prosign usage, proper calling technique, etc. in
the Operating a Station chapter of the ARRL Handbook - it is present in
Sandy W5TVW wrote:
Operating protocol today is absolutely atrocious at times!
A lot of the newer hams know nothing about really proper procedure
If they are actually *using CW* I'm happy!
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is CW a Language? OT
| Sandy,
| I agree with much of what you have said but I would ask whom shall we
| blame?
| Unfortunately, I think we, you and I, are to blame for the lack of skills
| and know how
| of many
Sandy wrote:
Even prisoners used it in prison camps by tapping on walls or pipes.
I don't think International Morse serves very effectively when the characters
must be simple taps. How does the receiving operator tell if a tap is supposed
to be a dash? In my experience, I'd say it can't be
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To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is CW a Language? OT
Sandy wrote:
Even prisoners used it in prison camps by tapping on walls or pipes.
I
In a message dated 1/13/06 3:35:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The use of CL, KN, BK, or the use of both AR and K at the end of the same
transmission is nonsense.
I disagree in part.
CL means closing station, will not listen for any calls Equivalent to the
I agree K is more succinct, but dahdidididaddidah sounds great! Maybe I'll
switch to just K, and maybe I won't.
So there.
Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456
snip
Once again...a simple K serves even better. There is no usage rule that
states that K must only be used following a call sign.
/snip
On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:01 PM, Dan Barker wrote:
I agree K is more succinct, but dahdidididaddidah sounds great!
Maybe I'll
switch to just K, and maybe I won't.
Well, hey, didahdidahdidahdit dahdidaddidah sounds great too! Why
don't you use that. In fact, usually in my cw qso's I simply
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