Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-31 Thread Rod Webster
det: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2023 um 14:16 Uhr > > Von: "Rod Webster" > > An: "EMC developers" > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - > first impressions > > > > Steffen, > > > > Some good feedba

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-30 Thread Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
An: "EMC developers" > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - > first impressions > > Steffen, > > Some good feedback thanks. > I'm really not surprised things broke on an update because we compile the > kernel from the Raspberry s

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-30 Thread Rod Webster
the latency-sensitive > gaming industry should have some strong incentive to look into what we are > doing but I have not seen too much from them, yet. Ok - this may be > something for another thread. > > Best, > Steffen > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2023 um 04:1

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-30 Thread Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
to what we are doing but I have not seen too much from them, yet. Ok - this may be something for another thread. Best, Steffen > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2023 um 04:15 Uhr > Von: "Rob M" > An: "EMC developers" > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Ra

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Rob M
Umm Rod Old Mate was referring to the my linked images for the RPi4, not your ones, the ones I built for other reasons. On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 1:26 PM Rod Webster wrote: > >None of those images were for the Rpi-5, I thought the RPi4 in the file > > Well yes they are. Andy and Steffan are using

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Rod Webster
>None of those images were for the Rpi-5, I thought the RPi4 in the file Well yes they are. Andy and Steffan are using pi5 variant of my image which is used for the 2.9.1 release from here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H_q0Ra-27ZDOhquvq179beUZQNVlex1f/view?usp=sharing Filename (with rpi-5 in

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Rob M
None of those images were for the Rpi-5, I thought the RPi4 in the file name would made the obvious, but as this a topic about the 4 I guess there could be some confusion. As for the recent RPi5 image you tried does that have any issues with screen resolution? Is it stuck on a single resolution?

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 00:27, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > Andy's image was a success - I just did not know the passwords. I mentioned it in a previous message, but it is cnc / cnc -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
Hello, Andy's image was a success - I just did not know the passwords. > General use for Linuxcnc > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ve6LismgxL0OfYufkeU1Z0hzdWhbf_WJ/view?usp=sharing does not boot on my RPi5 - gets the same USB errors and the missing device tree as reported for the 2.9.1 RPI

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Rob M
The kernel that has been used previously on the RPi4 has worked fine on the 5. The Foundation images for ALL versions of the RPi used the same kernel, I've booted the same kernel version on the Rpi4 and 5 so to say "solid preempt_rt kernel for the Pi5 which has not been possible previously" is not

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 at 17:56, andy pugh wrote: > Let me look to see what I have. Try this one rpi-5-debian-bookworm-6.1.61-rt15-arm64-ext4-2023-11-17-1520.img.xz Raspi-imager can work directly with .xz files, no need to expand. Note that you need to use menu-config to set up the Wifi. --

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 03:53, andy pugh wrote: > That's odd. I am replying to this email on _my_ Pi5 and it works fine. > I can't remember the exact details of how I got here, Looking further, almost certainly not with the image from linuxcnc.org/iso as that was built a month before the

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 02:23, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > I just went for it and it does not work for the RPi5 - stating that the > device tree would not be found and that the bcm2712-rpi-5-b.dtb cannot be > found. That's odd. I am replying to this email on _my_ Pi5 and it

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
Hello, That was quite a thread I have triggered, feels a bit like the Debian mailing lists :) > Von: "andy pugh" > Why do people keep reinventing this particular wheel? We distribute a > Pi SD card image via www.linuxcnc.org. I just went for it and it does not work for the RPi5 - stating

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Rod Webster
>When Rod and myself were discussing the building the building of images we >had different ideas as to what was required, I opted for a more complete >desktop where Rod just went for "what was required", although I did >uninstall libreoffice to reduce download size. I also included the "gvfs"

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-29 Thread Daniel Hiepler
Vom: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 12:27:41 +1100 > Linuxcnc only really needs one image, it's not really meant to be a General > Purpose Distro, That's debatable. A lot of projects offer various images for different purposes (e.g. retropi has images optimized for different Pi revisions). Some even don't

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread Rob M
Linuxcnc only really needs one image, it's not really meant to be a General Purpose Distro, that is the image that has all that is required to get up and going. Anything else may cause confusion, as I've noticed some people can be a bit adverse to reading information or there can be a language

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread Daniel Hiepler
Vom: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 23:02:26 + > On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 14:07, Daniel Hiepler > wrote:oot I had no more Wifi and (worse) > the ventilator was a max > > > > I encountered similar problems and decided to build my own kernel. I > > created a "fire & forget" bash script to build an image from

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests -first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread gene heskett
On 12/28/23 18:03, andy pugh wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 14:07, Daniel Hiepler wrote:oot I had no more Wifi and (worse) the ventilator was a max I encountered similar problems and decided to build my own kernel. I created a "fire & forget" bash script to build an image from the ground up

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread Rob M
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 10:05 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 14:07, Daniel Hiepler > wrote:oot I had no more Wifi and (worse) > the ventilator was a max > > > > I encountered similar problems and decided to build my own kernel. I > created a "fire & forget" bash script to build an

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 14:07, Daniel Hiepler wrote:oot I had no more Wifi and (worse) the ventilator was a max > > I encountered similar problems and decided to build my own kernel. I created > a "fire & forget" bash script to build an image from the ground up and > compiles linuxcnc+rt kernel

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests-first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread Rob M
The odroid has been running fine all year, no need to do anything. Maybe I wasn't clear, the J was retired a while ago when I started using the Odroid. I now have 2 options for the "roll my own" EPP board, the HP T610 plus or the retired J. There is no issue with Odroid. It is fine. On

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread Daniel Hiepler
Vom: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 01:55:44 +0100 > Then I installed a regular arm64-rt kernel but that then ruined the RPi > setup, so after a reboot I had no more Wifi and (worse) the ventilator was a > max I encountered similar problems and decided to build my own kernel. I created a "fire & forget"

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests-first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread Rod Webster
>Or a J dual core celeron >board that gathering dust after jumping onto >the Odroid bandwagon. I don't think this is insurmountable. I would build the 6.6 kernel and install the R8125-dkms network driver. It should be fine. I do have a happy Odroid except its running ethercat (on Bullseye)

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests-first impressions

2023-12-28 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 03:24, gene heskett wrote: > All packages are up to date. > W: Skipping acquire of configured file '2.9-rt/source/Sources' as > repository 'https://www.linuxcnc.org bookworm InRelease' does not seem > to provide it (sources.list entry misspelt?) There isn't a 2.9-rt for

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests-first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Rod Webster
The Pi image is forked from here https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder It is based on the official Raspberry Pi kernel https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux (rpi-6.1-y branch ) with Debian Bookworm wrapped around it. It uses a cross compilation environment so it gets built on x86 hardware. It

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests-first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread gene heskett
On 12/27/23 22:33, Rob M wrote: Gene are you after a PC image or a Pi image ? rpi4 here. Or have you made a type with the amd64 bit ? No, arm64. I must admit with the "role your image utility" rod uses the locale things is a bit messy & seems to do what it wants. I've made images usingthe

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests -first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Rob M
Gene are you after a PC image or a Pi image ? Or have you made a type with the amd64 bit ? I must admit with the "role your image utility" rod uses the locale things is a bit messy & seems to do what it wants. I've made images usingthe same method and it's felt a bit "hit & miss" getting the

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests-first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread gene heskett
EMC developers" Cc: "Steffen Möller" Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 at 15:20, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: My RPi5 arrived over Xmas and I just fired it up, was offered to install Li

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests -first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread gene heskett
On 12/27/23 20:18, andy pugh wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 01:15, andy pugh wrote: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_raspberry_pi_image Sorry, the link to the image is higher up the same page:

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests -first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Rod Webster
Modifications Network > > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 06:46, Sebastian Kuzminsky > wrote: > > > >> On 12/27/23 13:38, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > >>> > >>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27.

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests -first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread gene heskett
Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 06:46, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: On 12/27/23 13:38, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Dezember 2023 um 17:13 Uhr Von: "andy pugh" An: "EMC developers" Cc: "Steffen Möller" Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 +

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Rob M
Has anyone had a chance to look into the SPI issue with the RPi5 ? I've thrown mine back into it's box and a random location on shelf as ATM it's kinda useless for what I wanted it for. On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 12:19 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 01:15, andy pugh wrote: > > > >

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 01:15, andy pugh wrote: > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_raspberry_pi_image Sorry, the link to the image is higher up the same page: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_normal_download

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 00:58, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > I looked through our documentation today but did not find anything beyond the > use of RPi GPIOs. http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_raspberry_pi_image And (same page)

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 06:46, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > > On 12/27/23 13:38, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > > > > > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Dezember 2023 um 17:13 Uhr > > >> Von: "andy pugh" > > >>

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Rod Webster
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Dezember 2023 um 17:13 Uhr > >> Von: "andy pugh" > >> An: "EMC developers" > >> Cc: "Steffen Möller" > >> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests > - first impression

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 12/27/23 13:38, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Dezember 2023 um 17:13 Uhr Von: "andy pugh" An: "EMC developers" Cc: "Steffen Möller" Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Dezember 2023 um 17:13 Uhr > Von: "andy pugh" > An: "EMC developers" > Cc: "Steffen Möller" > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - > first impressions > > On Wed, 27 Dec 202

Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions

2023-12-27 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 at 15:20, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > My RPi5 arrived over Xmas and I just fired it up, was offered to install > LinuxCNC directly from what we offer in Debian, and then ran latency tests. > Graphics (as in video but also the extra art from your X interface